http://www.dailydot.com/opinion/19-things-cheaper-raising-kid-2014/
Quote19 things that are cheaper than raising a child in 2014
They say that you get out of life what you put into it. Hopefully the same is true of babies. According to a new report from the U.S. Department of Agriculture, middle-income couples who had a child last year will have to spend an average of nearly $250,000 to raise that child to the age of 18. Housing and transportation costs account for over $100,000 of that amount with child care, education, food, clothing, and health care making up the remainder.
To put things in perspective, consider that the last reported median income for the U.S. was $44,389 in 2004. That means that if you didn't have to pay taxes or spend money to, you know, stay alive, it would still take five and a half years of solid labor to get a single child into a voting booth.
What else could you buy for the average cost of raising a child? I'm glad you asked. Here are twenty things you could buy instead of giving birth to a human child:
1) A plane ticket—wait for it—to outer fucking space.
2) A Chipotle burrito every day for 97 years or two every day for 48 years if you have a friend whose digestive system you also want to destroy.
3) Kourtney Kardashian's super cool Mercedes SLS.
4) A modest waterfront home in several American cities.
5) 3,125,000 coins in Kim Kardashian: Hollywood, enough to finally knock Willow Pape down to the E-list where she belongs.
6) A month in a penthouse suite in the luxurious New York Palace hotel.
7) Eleven pregnant female alpacas who will then give birth to the cutest babies in the animal kingdom. And unlike human babies, alpacas don't need to go to school, they only eat grass, and they literally grow money in the form of wool.
8) Eight average American weddings for the serial monogamist who just can't seem to settle down.
9) Ten years of retirement overseas.
10) A single bottle of diamond-infused nail polish.
11) Dinner in the sky every day for a year so you can literally and figuratively look down on people as you eat gourmet cuisine.
12) Nine months alone in an underwater hotel room so you can quietly read Camus or finish your screenplay.
13) One hundred three-second-long meetings with Britney Spears at her Vegas show. That's a combined total of five minutes of time with—as James Franco puts it in Spring Breakers—"an angel if there ever was one on this earth."
14) A morning stroll on the top of Toronto's CN Tower every single day for nearly four years.
15) Sixty of the most expensive box of LEGOs in the world, the coveted "Cloud City" Star Wars set. You can either keep them in the shrink wrap or you can create the world's most bizarre slashfic LEGO orgy with sixty Lando Calrissian clones and sixty Darth Vader clones. Up to you.
16) Your face on a billboard in Albuquerque, New Mexico, displayed continuously for sixteen years. Do a duck face in the photo, add YOLO in block letters, and leave it there to mystify the people of Albuquerque for a literal decade and a half.
17) Seven years worth of admission to Disneyland. Go on Splash Mountain everyday, maintain the same expression during every single photo opportunity and then compile them into a timelapse video that depicts you aging while sitting motionless in the hollow of a fake log. Someone is bound to write a BuzzFeed article about you seven years from now.
18) Two-hundred and fifty MacBook Airs which you can use for light computing, dicing vegetables, or the world's most costly game of frisbee golf.
19) Almost every piece of signed Nicolas Cage memorabilia on Etsy.
Bonus: Thousands of sex swings for all the non-procreative sex you'll have as a childless couple.
OK, so some of those things might sound more enticing than others but you get the idea: if you are a middle-income couple in the United States, you could save a tremendous amount of money by remaining childless.
What's more is that the staggering cost of raising a child is enough to justify not having one in the first place. If you can't imagine ever spending money on any of the above-listed things because they seem too wasteful, know that that's exactly how much money you will likely spend raising a child if you opt to have one. In 2014, it should be perfectly acceptable to refuse to have a child simply because you cannot afford to do so.
But that doesn't stop people from hounding women who don't have to children. Whenever a woman on the Internet writes an article about not wanting kids, pro-baby commenters emerge to call her selfish and "narcissistic" with more than a twinge of cross-generational condescension. "Don't worry," they often say. "You'll be happier when you have kids." Baby boomers, it seems, are eager for us to inherit all of their life choices along with the broken country that they're leaving behind for us.
What baby boomers might not realize, though, is that even if all of us wanted children, we probably can't afford to have them. As U.S. News and World Report notes, the rising generation of adults is "the first in U.S. history" to be in "worse economic shape than their parents." We have a higher unemployment rate and piles of student debt to deal with to boot. Forgive us, parents and other elderly friends, if the news that a baby costs a cool quarter million doesn't have us rushing to our conjugal beds.
With the exorbitant cost of childrearing in mind, here's one final list of things to consider. This one's a list of things baby boomers can do besides badger us about having kids:
1) Literally anything else.
Babies are fucking expensive. Let us not procreate in peace.
There is not enough effort put into PSAs encouraging people not to breed. Especially if you can't get your life together, you shouldn't bring more people into this world.
Edit: and before I get slaughtered by mad parents here, I actually think that most of those Languishites who have kids should have them. I am talking about other people.
Wait
QuoteOne hundred three-second-long meetings with Britney Spears at her Vegas show.
what?
Exactly how would I get a plane ticket to outer space? That's like sailing a ship to top of Mount Everest.
They did that in 2012.
Quote from: Martinus on December 24, 2014, 03:45:56 AM
There is not enough effort put into PSAs encouraging people not to breed. Especially if you can't get your life together, you shouldn't bring more people into this world.
Edit: and before I get slaughtered by mad parents here, I actually think that most of those Languishites who have kids should have them. I am talking about other people.
In India, Saudi Arabia, etc... Encouraging people not to breed is a good move.
In the developed world though we need to be encouraging it more.
Doesn't Poland have a birth rate of something like 1.3?
Quote from: Martinus on December 24, 2014, 03:45:56 AM
There is not enough effort put into PSAs encouraging people not to breed. Especially if you can't get your life together, you shouldn't bring more people into this world.
Edit: and before I get slaughtered by mad parents here, I actually think that most of those Languishites who have kids should have them. I am talking about other people.
Our economic and social systems require a constant and furious increase in population.
Quote from: Neil on December 24, 2014, 09:01:09 AM
Quote from: Martinus on December 24, 2014, 03:45:56 AM
There is not enough effort put into PSAs encouraging people not to breed. Especially if you can't get your life together, you shouldn't bring more people into this world.
Edit: and before I get slaughtered by mad parents here, I actually think that most of those Languishites who have kids should have them. I am talking about other people.
Our economic and social systems require a constant and furious increase in population.
We need to redistribute more. That's ought to fix it.
Why would I want any of that shit?
Quote from: Martinus on December 24, 2014, 03:45:56 AM
There is not enough effort put into PSAs encouraging people not to breed. Especially if you can't get your life together, you shouldn't bring more people into this world.
Edit: and before I get slaughtered by mad parents here, I actually think that most of those Languishites who have kids should have them. I am talking about other people.
I think things are going your way Mart. Birth rates are way down in countries where girls are not forced to start popping out kids at age 15.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on December 24, 2014, 03:46:46 AM
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QuoteOne hundred three-second-long meetings with Britney Spears at her Vegas show.
what?
That's just long enough to whip out your penis to show it to her 100 times.
So $250k is $13.8k a year, that doesn't sound outrageous to me. It takes two people to make a kid, and the majority of families are two income. So contrasting that $13.8k to median U.S. income isn't quite accurate, it'd be more appropriate to contrast it to household income. Further some of the costs that went into that are probably also questionable. While yes, some families do "buy bigger housing" to accommodate incoming kids, not all of them do. It depends on your situation in general, I know a lot of people (us included) that had no need to buy a new house when we had a kid. If you were living in a studio apartment then yah, it's unlikely you can comfortably raise a kid there, but a lot of parents aren't in such a situation.
There are also some economies of scale to raising multiple kids staggered decently. As the first one gets to a certain age you can utilize it for babysitting, hand me down clothes can reduce your out of pocket clothing costs etc.
Quote from: Tamas on December 24, 2014, 09:19:50 AM
Quote from: Neil on December 24, 2014, 09:01:09 AM
Quote from: Martinus on December 24, 2014, 03:45:56 AM
There is not enough effort put into PSAs encouraging people not to breed. Especially if you can't get your life together, you shouldn't bring more people into this world.
Edit: and before I get slaughtered by mad parents here, I actually think that most of those Languishites who have kids should have them. I am talking about other people.
Our economic and social systems require a constant and furious increase in population.
We need to redistribute more. That's ought to fix it.
Or just bring in more foreigners to work, then toss their asses out when they become inconvenient.
Quote from: Valmy on December 24, 2014, 12:01:40 PM
Quote from: Martinus on December 24, 2014, 03:45:56 AM
There is not enough effort put into PSAs encouraging people not to breed. Especially if you can't get your life together, you shouldn't bring more people into this world.
Edit: and before I get slaughtered by mad parents here, I actually think that most of those Languishites who have kids should have them. I am talking about other people.
I think things are going your way Mart. Birth rates are way down in countries where girls are not forced to start popping out kids at age 15.
I had never thought of 1950's America as a place where girls are forced to pop out kids at age 15, but there you go.
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on December 24, 2014, 01:53:05 PM
There are also some economies of scale to raising multiple kids staggered decently. As the first one gets to a certain age you can utilize it for babysitting, hand me down clothes can reduce your out of pocket clothing costs etc.
I keep hoping this'll kick in at some point...
Alpacas eh.
Baby alpacas. :wub:
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Quote from: Valmy on December 24, 2014, 12:00:23 PM
Why would I want any of that shit?
Yeah but then I feel the same way about having kids.
Quote from: Tamas on December 24, 2014, 09:19:50 AM
Quote from: Neil on December 24, 2014, 09:01:09 AM
Quote from: Martinus on December 24, 2014, 03:45:56 AM
There is not enough effort put into PSAs encouraging people not to breed. Especially if you can't get your life together, you shouldn't bring more people into this world.
Edit: and before I get slaughtered by mad parents here, I actually think that most of those Languishites who have kids should have them. I am talking about other people.
Our economic and social systems require a constant and furious increase in population.
We need to redistribute more. That's ought to fix it.
Care to explain how this in any way relates to my point that upper and middle class should be breeding while the lower class should be discouraged from breeding?
I would imagine the need to redistribute would increase in the current model, where the lower class is doing most of the breeding while the upper and middle classes are breeding less, thus leading to accumulation of capital in the hands of the few. In fact such model, coupled with your aversion to redistribution, is a sure-fire way to a revolution.
Quote from: Martinus on December 25, 2014, 02:06:59 AM
Care to explain how this in any way relates to my point that upper and middle class should be breeding while the lower class should be discouraged from breeding? I would imagine the need to redistribute would increase in the current model, where the lower class is doing most of the breeding.
Thing is, that's the best and easiest way to keep them lower class. Why do you think conservatives hate the concepts of reproductive rights, access to birth control and abortion? Because they love little black babies? How many do you think derspiess has in his collection?
Quote from: Neil on December 24, 2014, 09:01:09 AM
Quote from: Martinus on December 24, 2014, 03:45:56 AM
There is not enough effort put into PSAs encouraging people not to breed. Especially if you can't get your life together, you shouldn't bring more people into this world.
Edit: and before I get slaughtered by mad parents here, I actually think that most of those Languishites who have kids should have them. I am talking about other people.
Our economic and social systems require a constant and furious increase in population.
The fetish of demographic growth has done more harm than good to modern economy. The capitalism of the late 20th and early 21st century has led to a situation where the lower class is effectively encouraged (or rather has no disincentives) to breed, has no access to decent birth control but, on the other hand, can have as many children as they want in a relatively responsibility-free environment.
Meanwhile, middle class, with its increasing workload, career model that discourages people (especially mothers) from splitting time between work and parenting and the ability to afford birth control, is postponing having children until later age. This leads to a situation which is the exact opposite of the desirable - i.e. people who shouldn't have kids have them and people who should do not.
That's stupid. And your stupid for saying it.
That is only a problem if mobility is fucked as it is in Britain.
Not all lower class kids have lower class abilities and ambitions.
Quote from: Martinus on December 25, 2014, 02:15:20 AM
has no access to decent birth control
Are condoms expensive and hard to find in Poland? :huh:
Quote from: Martinus on December 25, 2014, 02:04:26 AM
Quote from: Valmy on December 24, 2014, 12:00:23 PM
Why would I want any of that shit?
Yeah but then I feel the same way about having kids.
So we both chose....wisely.
Quote from: Razgovory on December 24, 2014, 02:05:06 PM
Quote from: Valmy on December 24, 2014, 12:01:40 PM
Quote from: Martinus on December 24, 2014, 03:45:56 AM
There is not enough effort put into PSAs encouraging people not to breed. Especially if you can't get your life together, you shouldn't bring more people into this world.
Edit: and before I get slaughtered by mad parents here, I actually think that most of those Languishites who have kids should have them. I am talking about other people.
I think things are going your way Mart. Birth rates are way down in countries where girls are not forced to start popping out kids at age 15.
I had never thought of 1950's America as a place where girls are forced to pop out kids at age 15, but there you go.
I had never thought 1950's America as a place existing today, but there you go. And anyway I was not being literal.
I think about it all the time. :wub:
Quote from: Ideologue on December 25, 2014, 11:31:04 PM
I think about it all the time. :wub:
Back when the rich paid the fair amount of taxes eh?