Buh bye, post-season play. It was enjoyable while it lasted.
QuoteVeteran outfielder Nelson Cruz has agreed to a multiyear deal with the Seattle Mariners, pending a physical, a league source confirmed to ESPN.com's Jerry Crasnick.
A source told ESPNdeportes.com's Enrique Rojas the two sides agreed on a four-year, $57 million deal that also includes a $1 million signing bonus.
With the Baltimore Orioles last season, the 34-year-old Cruz led the majors with 40 home runs and finished third in the American League with 108 RBIs.
He signed a one-year, $8 million free-agent deal with the Orioles on Feb. 24. He was suspended for 50 games on Aug. 5, 2013, for his involvement with Biogenesis.
Cruz has previously played with the Milwaukee Brewers (eight games in 2005) and Texas Rangers (2006-2013).
The three-time All-Star holds MLB records for home runs (six) and RBIs (13) in a postseason series (2011 ALCS).
The Orioles made a one-year qualifying offer of $15.3 million to Cruz for 2015, which he rejected, ensuring them draft-pick compensation if he signs with another team.
Cruz brings significant thump to a Seattle offense that finished tied for 11th in the American League with 634 runs scored and ranked last among the 15 AL clubs with a .676 OPS in 2014. The Mariners had reportedly been involved in trade discussions for Matt Kemp, Justin Upton and Yoenis Cespedes, among others, in their efforts to acquire a right-handed power bat before settling on Cruz.
Mariners utility infielder Willie Bloomquist expressed his excitement for the move on Twitter.
I would venture to say that Nelson Cruz helps fill our need for some RH thump in our lineup!
— Willie Bloomquist (@williebloom) December 1, 2014
The Mariners pursued Cruz in free agency last winter before he signed with Baltimore, according to sources. Robinson Cano, who signed a 10-year, $240 million contract with Seattle a year ago, openly lobbied for the team to sign Cruz during his introductory spring training news conference in Arizona in February.
Cruz marks the Mariners' second major signing of the offseason. Seattle and third baseman Kyle Seager agreed to a seven-year, $100 million deal that includes an option for an eighth year last Monday, a league source confirmed to ESPN.com.
I'm hoping the Tribe manages to find one power bat. Aside from the wishful thinking of offloading Bourn or Swisher, that's really all I want. The starting rotation is hopefully set for the next few years, as is the bullpen. Third base is a little troubling, but if Chisenhall can settle down and produce consistently I'm fine with his mediocre defense.
Told you to enjoy it while it lasted.
Red Sox have had a good start, but we need to get another pitcher if we want to be a real contender.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 02, 2014, 03:14:08 AM
Red Sox have had a good start, but we need to get another pitcher if we want to be a real contender.
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What Syt, I know I'm enjoying my third World Series and look forward to adding to my ring collection. :P
If you're a card carrying member of the club or an employee I don't mind. :P
Even if your job is laundering the jock straps?
Quote from: Valmy on December 01, 2014, 10:12:28 PM
Told you to enjoy it while it lasted.
Wait till they don't resign Nick Markakis this week. He's going to walk, because the O's need to "stick to their guns" over one fucking year.
I wish that cheap greasy fuck douchebag Asbestos would just get it over with and move the team to Indianapolis already. So sick of his filthy, greedy fucking lawyer ass.
You could be fans of Snyder's and Angelos' teams you know :yucky:
Anyway I just hope none of the Orioles' players end up with another AL East team.
Quote from: Valmy on December 02, 2014, 12:04:11 PM
You could be fans of Snyder's and Angelos' teams you know :yucky:
Commissioner Tagliabue and Jacke Kente Cooke tried that for 12 years. Didn't work.
QuoteAnyway I just hope none of the Orioles' players end up with another AL East team.
Matt Wieters will be gone. Chris Davis, gone. Adam Jones will one day be a New York Yankee. In 2018, so will Manny Machado.
Quote from: Valmy on December 02, 2014, 10:50:54 AM
Even if your job is laundering the jock straps?
If those jock straps are itchy, you better damn well believe you've cost the team the World Series. :P
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 01, 2014, 09:47:21 PM
Buh bye, post-season play. It was enjoyable while it lasted.
Oh please.
If the orioles were counting on a slow aging slugger with a PED suspension in his recent past to maintain career high power numbers in his mid-30s, they were going to be screwed anyway. You'd think you might have learned from the Chris Davis experience. Or more to the point, if you don't believe me Google "Mo Vaughn"
The Orioles still have a priceless advantage. They are still in the AL East. And the AL East still sucks, even the teams not fatally tainted by Tim.
Plus Orioles still have a very nice pipeline of pitching prospects, and a slick-fielding Cuban who can slot into RF at some point.
It's over, Johnny. OVER.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 02, 2014, 03:14:08 AM
Red Sox have had a good start, but we need to get a kick in the nuts
Fixed.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on December 02, 2014, 02:29:20 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 01, 2014, 09:47:21 PM
Buh bye, post-season play. It was enjoyable while it lasted.
Oh please.
If the orioles were counting on a slow aging slugger with a PED suspension in his recent past to maintain career high power numbers in his mid-30s, they were going to be screwed anyway. You'd think you might have learned from the Chris Davis experience. Or more to the point, if you don't believe me Google "Mo Vaughn"
I figure Cruz has one or two good years left. But I wouldn't want to be paying him for four years to get that one or two.
Well to be fair a bad Nelson Cruz is still a solid stick in the Mariners' line-up.
Nick Markakis is an Atlanta Brave, all because the O's didn't want to guarantee the 4th year.
I fucking hate that cheap filthy Greek ambulance chasing cocksucker. Move the team to Indianapolis already, you fucking fuck.
Markakis too, ouch. That will leave a mark.
It's Mike Mussina all over again. Fans are beyond pissed.
But watch, they'll wait until the last minute and overpay for some over-the-hill guy like Torii Hunter to fill the void they just let go. Because that's what the Orioles do. Poor Buck.
I thought Hunter was going back to the twinkies.
The Moose thing worked out quite well. For the Yankees. :)
Now if only we could figure out how to get the HOF voters moving on him,.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 04, 2014, 02:31:01 AM
It's Mike Mussina all over again.
I will forgive him for leaving but I will never forgive him for leaving for the Yankees. Dead to me.
Eat me. All the bullshit Mussina had to take from the media and other players in the league when he signed for a below-market value contract after the '97 season for less that $7M a year specifically so he to stay in Baltimore, when he really wanted a 4 year deal after '96? And when it was time to return the favor, the O's tightened up faster than Marti's anus.
He deserved his big paycheck, the one he passed up on to stay in the fucking prime of his career, regardless of who he signed with after getting fucked by that filthy fuck Angelos. So stop defending that piece of shit cheap management fail that's only interested in saving a buck. You're worse than Yi.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 04, 2014, 11:09:00 AM
Eat me. All the bullshit Mussina had to take from the media and other players in the league when he signed for a below-market value contract after the '97 season for less that $7M a year specifically so he to stay in Baltimore, when he really wanted a 4 year deal after '96? And when it was time to return the favor, the O's tightened up faster than Marti's anus.
He deserved his big paycheck, the one he passed up on to stay in the fucking prime of his career, regardless of who he signed with after getting fucked by that filthy fuck Angelos. So stop defending that piece of shit cheap management fail that's only interested in saving a buck. You're worse than Yi.
As I said I understood why he had to leave to Baltimore. That was on the club.
He wanted stability, he wanted to stay in the northeast and (hopefully) good run support. Kind of narrows down the options once Baltimore said no.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on December 04, 2014, 09:35:02 AM
I thought Hunter was going back to the twinkies.
he did, Giants had been looking at him as need depth in outfield as Pagan is great when healthy which is huge IF.
Jon Lester to the Cubs for 6 years $155 million.
Quote from: sbr on December 10, 2014, 01:57:23 AM
Jon Lester to the Cubs for 6 years $155 million.
Contract must've included a clause for Octobers off. BLAM
Dodgers went crazy last night. Traded for Jimmy Rollins and Howie Kendrick, traded away Matt Kemp and is close to signing starting pitcher Brandon McCarthy.
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QuotePedro Martinez, Randy Johnson, John Smoltz and Craig Biggio were elected into the National Baseball Hall of Fame on Tuesday.
Are the %s out yet?
The logjam plus the 10 person limit are really screwing deserving candidates.
QuoteVoting Results
Ballots Cast: 549 Needed for Election: 412
Votes Player Percentage
534 Randy Johnson 97.3%
500 Pedro Martinez 91.1%
455 John Smoltz 82.9%
454 Craig Biggio 82.7%
384 Mike Piazza 69.9%
306 Jeff Bagwell 55.7%
302 Tim Raines 55.0%
215 Curt Schilling 39.2%
206 Roger Clemens 37.5%
202 Barry Bonds 36.8%
166 Lee Smith 30.2%
148 Edgar Martinez 27.0%
138 Alan Trammell 25.1%
135 Mike Mussina 24.6%
77 Jeff Kent 14.0%
71 Fred McGriff 12.9%
65 Larry Walker 11.8%
64 Gary Sheffield 11.7%
55 Mark McGwire 10.0%
50 Don Mattingly 9.1%
36 Sammy Sosa 6.6%
30 Nomar Garciaparra 5.5%
21 Carlos Delgado 3.8%
4 Troy Percival 0.7%
2 Aaron Boone 0.4%
2 Tom Gordon 0.4%
1 Darin Erstad 0.2%
0 Rich Aurilia 0.0%
0 Tony Clark 0.0%
0 Jermaine Dye 0.0%
0 Cliff Floyd 0.0%
0 Brian Giles 0.0%
0 Eddie Guardado 0.0%
0 Jason Schmidt 0.0%
*All candidates in italics received less than 5% of the vote on ballots cast and will be removed from future BBWAA consideration
What's the nomination process?
And which lunkheads didn't vote for Pedro?
It's great that Smoltz made the hurdle.
But . . .
What's interesting about this ballot is that Smoltz, Mussina and Schilling all pitched about the same number of innings over their career. Smoltz had a few more Ks than the other two but Mussina and Schilling walked fewer. Mussina's ERA is a little higher but he pitched his entire career in the AL (with DH) and also played with some historically awful defenses (in particular the 2003-04 Yankees may be the worst fielding team in modern history). Smoltz won a Cy Young and the other's didn't, but Mussina finished in the top 5 five times and another 3 times he finished 6th, and Schilling finished 2nd three times.
As I see it you need a microscope to tell the three apart in terms of value to their teams and they all are solid on character. So great that Smoltz got 80+% but how do Mussina and Schilling end up so low?
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on January 06, 2015, 02:33:57 PM
So great that Smoltz got 80+% but how do Mussina and Schilling end up so low?
That's going to always be a problem, as long as its an election process where sports writers get to vote.
Mussina was not flashy and won no championships or Cy Youngs, so he's just not sexy enough to warrant the exposed brickwork and brilliant fall foliage of Cooperstown. Schilling? Well, just as Yi asked the question about Pedro that answers itself, I believe there's a segment of the New York media that will eventually come around, but will not put Yankee killers into the HOF on the first ballot. Kinda like how the entire Cleveland/Pittsburgh sports media bloc will never vote Art Modell into Canton.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 06, 2015, 02:41:20 PM
I believe there's a segment of the New York media that will eventually come around, but will not put Yankee killers into the HOF on the first ballot.
Willing to bet that it is not the NY writers that keeping him out.
In fact being a Yankee killer is traditionally a bonus for getting into the Hall because it means the otherwise provincial NY writers know who you are. Exhibit A - Jim Rice.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 06, 2015, 02:25:23 PM
What's the nomination process?
And which lunkheads didn't vote for Pedro?
No one has ever been unanimous, and there are writers who seem to think that if Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig, Ted Williams, etc weren't unanimous no one will be.
The other problem is with the rule that they can only vote for 10 people each year, no matter how many players the writer thinks is HoF-worthy. I saw a bunch of writers say that they weren't going to vote for Pedro or Johnson because they were a lock and there were other deserving candidates that needed their votes more.
Quote from: sbr on January 06, 2015, 03:15:59 PM
The other problem is with the rule that they can only vote for 10 people each year, no matter how many players the writer thinks is HoF-worthy. I saw a bunch of writers say that they weren't going to vote for Pedro or Johnson because they were a lock and there were other deserving candidates that needed their votes more.
OK, this makes sense.
Anyone know how nominations work? I'm curious how some dudes on the ballot ended up with zero votes.
I was sure Greg Maddux would be unanimous but no. If he wasn't you know nobody else from this generation will be.
Ridiculous about Schilling. Ah well maybe he has to wait a bit.
My thoughts.
First I don't think pure numbers are the most important thing in determining HoF, I think you should know with a minutes worth of though without ever having to go to baseball-reference.com to know. Second, my hypocrisy know no bounds.
Nothing to say about Pedro or the Unit. Both were as deserving of a unanimous selection as anyone has ever been.
My opinion hasn't changed from last year, I still don't think Biggio is a HoFer. He stayed healthy enough to amass 11K ABs. Only 10 guys had more ABs and all are in HoF. Biggio's counting stats are crazy but his ratios are not all that impressive and while he played 3 important defensive positions very well (C, 2B, CF) he was never one of the very best players in baseball and only finished in the Top 10 in MVP voting twice. It was inevitable though, so I am glad he is through so we can be done with him.
I think Smoltz was easy. Wins and Saves are bunch junk stats but at one point or another Smoltz was one of the very best starters and relievers in baseball. He was also one of the best around in the playoffs.
It is a joke that Rock Raines is not only not in already, but not close and seems to be losing ground each year. The recent rule change to limit number of years on ballot is going to cost one of the est ever to not get into the Hall until he is eligible to get in through the vet committee.
Schilling/Mussina - To me Schilling is in but Mussina doesn't do much for me. If not for Randy Johnson Schilling would have won a bunch more Cy Young awards and would be considered one of the best of his generation. He was even better in the post-season. Mussina was very good for a long time, but just doesn't stand out enough for me. Sorry.
Lee Smith and Edgar Martinez are both HoFer held back by their positions. Smith was the dominate closer of his, or any time, but relievers are not given enough consideration imo. Edgar may be a case of bias (Mariners fan) and hypocrisy (his numbers) but whatever. Since 1973 every AL team has had to have a DH in the lineup and with the possible exception of HoFer Frank Thomas (who played ~60% of his games in the field) Edgar is the best DH ever. His numbers aren't great but for some strange reason he was stuck in the Mariners farm system and didn't play a full season until age of 27 (less than 300ABs before that). But when he played he was unreal. I don't know enough about some of the new analytical numbers like WAR and OPS+ but they show that over the course of a 8-9 year period Edgar was one of the ~25 best hitters in the history of the game. That's enough for me.
Bonds/Clemens/Piazza/Bagwell - All would be in without steroid controversy and I am so over that. Put them all in and let the museum decide how to present them. No one has hit more HRs than Bonds. Piazza is the best hitting catcher to ever play the game and is out because of back acne? Bagwell was much better than Biggio, one of the best and most feared hitters. Clemens is one of the very best pitchers ever. The cases against Bagwell and Piazza are pretty sketchy and Bonds and Clemens would have been in even if they never took steroids. Get them in and off the ballot.
There isn't anyone else close imo. I have seen some writers talking about guys like Trammel, Walker, McGriff and Kent but even if the congestion of the ballot was cleared up I don't see it for any of them myself.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 06, 2015, 03:34:05 PM
Quote from: sbr on January 06, 2015, 03:15:59 PM
The other problem is with the rule that they can only vote for 10 people each year, no matter how many players the writer thinks is HoF-worthy. I saw a bunch of writers say that they weren't going to vote for Pedro or Johnson because they were a lock and there were other deserving candidates that needed their votes more.
OK, this makes sense.
Anyone know how nominations work? I'm curious how some dudes on the ballot ended up with zero votes.
I didn't spend a lot of time looking but this makes it look like any player that played at least 10 years in MLB and has been out of the game for 5 years is eligible for a vote. (http://baseballhall.org/hall-of-famers/bbwaa-rules-for-election)
Huh. Nobody in the HoF played less than 10 years? Surprising, though I guess if even Koufax played 11 that should cover everybody.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 06, 2015, 03:34:05 PM
Quote from: sbr on January 06, 2015, 03:15:59 PM
The other problem is with the rule that they can only vote for 10 people each year, no matter how many players the writer thinks is HoF-worthy. I saw a bunch of writers say that they weren't going to vote for Pedro or Johnson because they were a lock and there were other deserving candidates that needed their votes more.
OK, this makes sense.
Anyone know how nominations work? I'm curious how some dudes on the ballot ended up with zero votes.
To elaborate a bit: basically, there is no nomination process as such. Each year, anyone who retires 5 years ago and who played at least 10 seasons in the major becomes eligible. A committee within the BBWAA goes over the list and screens out any of those who were essentially subs their whole career. Note that the committee doesn't really screen out unqualified candidates, exactly--if you played 10 seasons and were a regular for a good portion of that, you go onto the ballot even if you're someone like Cliff Floyd or Jason Schmidt that it's obvious no one is going to vote for. Once you're on the ballot, you stay there until either you're elected to the Hall, you fail to get at least 5% of the vote in an election, or you've been on the ballot for 15 election cycles.
Those who fall off the BBWAA ballot (either because of the 5% rule or the 15 year rule) are still eligible to be elected later by the Veterans' Committee, though the exact rules the Veterans' Committee operates under have been repeatedly changed.
So sbr
Agree Biggio is borderline - but I think he goes over. The awards voting underrated him because he was one of those guys that does lots of things well as opposed to one or two things really well. Sort of like Zobrist is underappreciated now.
Agree on Raines. He is probably the most hurt by the rules. Hopefully some of the Biggio voters will go to him next year.
Mussina was a consistent top of rotation anchor for 18 straight years. It is hard to over-state the value of that. The only reason he didn't get 300 wins is he chose to leave gracefully rather than hang around an extra 3 years just piling numbers a la biggio. The HOF is chock full of rotation anchor guys like him who were neither as consistent nor as good. Eight years of top 6 CY voting is very impressive even if his top finish was 2nd (behind Pedro in one of Pedro's greatest of all time kind of years). But to me the most impressive year was 2003 - he didn't get a single Cy vote but posted a 3.40 ERA pitching in front of a comically bad defense - Giambi at first, Alfonso Soriano at second (!), Jeter at SS, Bernie Williams rag armed in CF, and Raul Mondesi and Matsui at the corner outfield slots. He somehow managed a sub 1.1 whip. Incredible.
Lee Smith - I disagree on the significance of closers.
Edgar - close call but the combination of late start, mid career injuries and zero defensive value hurts him. I'm on the fence with him but more on the other side.
PED cloud guys - agree on everything you say.
Other - I think Larry Walker is a real candidate. Sensational defensive outfielder, the true cannon arm. And yeah he could hit a bit too. If not for all the nagging injuries and his charming personality he would be a compelling vote. As it is I still think his case is a little better than Edgar given the defense.
Also would vote yes on trammel - again the combo of very good defense and very good offense without being A++ in either. But two A-s is just as good if not better.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on January 06, 2015, 06:59:16 PM
Mussina was a consistent top of rotation anchor for 18 straight years. It is hard to over-state the value of that. The only reason he didn't get 300 wins is he chose to leave gracefully rather than hang around an extra 3 years just piling numbers a la biggio. The HOF is chock full of rotation anchor guys like him who were neither as consistent nor as good. Eight years of top 6 CY voting is very impressive even if his top finish was 2nd (behind Pedro in one of Pedro's greatest of all time kind of years). But to me the most impressive year was 2003 - he didn't get a single Cy vote but posted a 3.40 ERA pitching in front of a comically bad defense - Giambi at first, Alfonso Soriano at second (!), Jeter at SS, Bernie Williams rag armed in CF, and Raul Mondesi and Matsui at the corner outfield slots. He somehow managed a sub 1.1 whip. Incredible.
Mike Mussina's career is a NERD's wet dream, but he was not flashy enough or successful enough for today's subpar sports writers. If he were on the ballot with his statistics in, say, 1986, he'd be a first ballot. But the death of journalism strikes again, this time on the Sports pages.
Doesn't help that he's competing with all the biggest pitching names of the last 30 years, either, but he might have a chance next year, since from what I've seen the only guaranteed first-ballot HOF on next year's ballot is Junior.
Too bad Griffey III decided to play football.
QuoteThe Orioles and Delmon Young have agreed on a one-year deal to return last year's ALDS hero to Baltimore for another season of pinch hitting, lefty-mashing, and adventures in the outfield.
:lol:
Worst thing about the Bengals' season being over is 100% of local sports talk radio centering around the Reds. They could talk about Xavier & UC basketball since they're actually playing their seasons but no-- let's wallow in the Reds' mediocrity. I'm not a Reds fan, but they were far more interesting to follow before they got hopelessly locked into the Votto & Phillips contracts.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 06, 2015, 08:39:32 PM
Mike Mussina's career is a NERD's wet dream, but he was not flashy enough or successful enough for today's subpar sports writers. If he were on the ballot with his statistics in, say, 1986, he'd be a first ballot. But the death of journalism strikes again, this time on the Sports pages.
Doesn't help that he's competing with all the biggest pitching names of the last 30 years, either, but he might have a chance next year, since from what I've seen the only guaranteed first-ballot HOF on next year's ballot is Junior.
Yeah, sadly for him garbon does not have a HOF ballot vote.
Whereas the people that voted in Jim "America's Worst Senator" Bunning are.
Nationals sign Max Scherzer.
Orioles shuffle some papers around, mumble something about prospects in Triple A, wait for Dan Duquette to stop lying to them about Toronto already.
Apparently Randy Johnson has become a professional photographer
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/pictures/randy-johnson-knotfest-photos-20141030/zakk-wylde-backstage-20141030
http://rj51photos.com/portfolio/
Pawsox are being moved to Providence. :(
Quote from: jimmy olsen on February 23, 2015, 08:56:29 PM
Pawsox are being moved to Providence. :(
No love for your home state Tim?
Though Providence does not deserve a sports team after the folding of the 1928 World Champion Providence Steam Roller in 1931 :weep:. Best NFL franchise ever.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Providence_Steam_Roller
Quote from: Valmy on February 23, 2015, 10:07:10 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on February 23, 2015, 08:56:29 PM
Pawsox are being moved to Providence. :(
No love for your home state Tim?
Though Providence does not deserve a sports team after the folding of the 1928 World Champion Providence Steam Roller in 1931 :weep:. Best NFL franchise ever.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Providence_Steam_Roller
:huh: Pawtucket is in Rhode Island.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on February 23, 2015, 10:42:03 PM:huh: Pawtucket is in Rhode Island.
Oh I am supposed to know the location of every Red Sox affiliate or something?
Reds suck
Quote from: Valmy on February 23, 2015, 10:44:17 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on February 23, 2015, 10:42:03 PM:huh: Pawtucket is in Rhode Island.
Oh I am supposed to know the location of every Red Sox affiliate or something?
No, just the AAA one.
Burn.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on February 23, 2015, 10:56:38 PMNo, just the AAA one.
Meh. They are all small towns I have never heard of. I thought you would appreciate my reference to Rhode Island NFL glory but nooooooo
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'My good fellow which of you gentlemen will be pitching forth the baseball today?'
'Go fuck yourself'
*gasps* *women fainting*
And . . . the Red Sox nab Yoan Moncada for pretty reasonable money.
Steinbrenner Elder could be a real SOB but he had one saving grace - he put the $$ back into the team, he cared about winning above all else and put his money where his (sizable) mouth was
The whole point of being the Yankees is that when an opportunity like this comes, you can outbid. And to let him go the RED SOX of all teams, I don't see how the Steinbrenner kinder can look their dad's plaque in eye.
Red Sox projected #1 in the East, Yankess projected last! :menace:
If someone had their dad's plaque in their eye, I couldn't look, either.