Crazy amount of snow. Anyone from Languish live up there? I think Berkut used to live in upstate, but he moved a while ago IIRC.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/weather/winter-whack-nation-faces-arctic-chill-6-feet-snow-hit-n250586
Think he's in Rottenchester.
p.s. monstrous
Ah, too bad the snow storm didn't hit my area in eastern Mass. Still waiting to try out my new snow blower I bought a couple of months ago! ;) My old 1960s era snow blower (made by Ariens) finally conked out. My new one is an Ariens and I hope it lasts another fifty years for me!
Yeah, I am in Rochester, about 80 miles further east.
We got a little bit of snow, couple inches at best.
Weird thing about this one is that there is a really stark snowline where the lake effect came across Buffalo. My sister in law has over six foot drifts in places. My other sister in law lives a few miles from her, and had less than a foot.
I'm so glad I took my road trip to Toronto when I did!
Its days like these I am thankful I live in a nice warm Canadian climate zone. :P
Wow. 6' of snow. It's like winter never came and we're already in Spring! :P
I love it when Americans get normal winter weather and the civilization suddenly breaks down. :D
I just love the people in my office complaining that it's cold in November.
Quote from: derspiess on November 19, 2014, 11:00:28 AM
I just love the people in my office complaining that it's cold in November.
Hell, I wore a hoodie and inappropriate shirt when taking the kids to school. This shit reminds me of the 1970's.
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 19, 2014, 11:03:45 AM
Quote from: derspiess on November 19, 2014, 11:00:28 AM
I just love the people in my office complaining that it's cold in November.
Hell, I wore a hoodie and inappropriate shirt when taking the kids to school. This shit reminds me of the 1970's.
Did your shirt have pics of scantily clad women on it?? :D
Quote from: Martinus on November 19, 2014, 10:53:23 AM
I love it when Americans get normal winter weather and the civilization suddenly breaks down. :D
People get shot for parking in a spot someone else just shoveled.
I wish.
The wife shouldn't count.
Quote from: Martinus on November 19, 2014, 10:53:23 AM
I love it when Americans get normal winter weather and the civilization suddenly breaks down. :D
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I'm guessing Polish people generally spend all winter snowed-in.
Quote from: garbon on November 19, 2014, 12:40:20 PM
I'm guessing Polish people generally spend all winter snowed-in.
They welcome the snow since there are fewer invasions.
Poland is weird.
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Quote from: citizen k on November 19, 2014, 03:18:17 PM
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Solid choices.
Quote from: garbon on November 19, 2014, 12:40:20 PM
I'm guessing Polish people generally spend all winter snowed-in.
We have infrastructure that keeps the snow in check. That is why, whenever heavy winter strikes in Europe, the Warsaw airport is out of service for a couple of hours, while Heathrow is out of service for days - it just does not make sense for Brits to invest in snow ploughs.
How often does Warsaw get six feet of snow?
Hell with shoveling that. Let it stay to Summer and melt.
Quote from: derspiess on November 19, 2014, 03:23:10 PM
Quote from: citizen k on November 19, 2014, 03:18:17 PM
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Solid choices.
Agreed. I had my first IPA style brew last weekend and I am hooked.
Quote from: Martinus on November 19, 2014, 05:12:32 PM
Quote from: garbon on November 19, 2014, 12:40:20 PM
I'm guessing Polish people generally spend all winter snowed-in.
We have infrastructure that keeps the snow in check. That is why, whenever heavy winter strikes in Europe, the Warsaw airport is out of service for a couple of hours, while Heathrow is out of service for days - it just does not make sense for Brits to invest in snow ploughs.
We have infrastructure too in the Northeast. None of that infrastructure I would think is set up to quickly handle 6+ feet of snow as that's rather at typical.*
*well accept for perhaps places like Buffalo. :lol:
Quote from: Martinus on November 19, 2014, 10:53:23 AM
I love it when Americans get normal winter weather and the civilization suddenly breaks down. :D
Does Poland often get 190 cm of snow in one day? :huh:
Marty is kind of ridiculous in his smugness about 60-70 inches of snow, given Poland had 100,000 people without power and "an intolerable strain on budgets" over a snowfall of 10 inches in 2013 - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/poland/9965663/Heavy-snow-knocks-power-out-for-100000-in-Poland.html
EDIT: and contrary to the "we just carry on" claim, hundreds of flights were cancelled in Poland when they received less than a fifth of the snow Buffalo just got.
Magic Polacks.
Quote from: Jacob on November 19, 2014, 08:04:27 PM
Marty is kind of ridiculous in his smugness about 60-70 inches of snow, given Poland had 100,000 people without power and "an intolerable strain on budgets" over a snowfall of 10 inches in 2013 - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/poland/9965663/Heavy-snow-knocks-power-out-for-100000-in-Poland.html
EDIT: and contrary to the "we just carry on" claim, hundreds of flights were cancelled in Poland when they received less than a fifth of the snow Buffalo just got.
But America is a much bigger place than Poland. We do have some cities with subtropical climates that tend to shut down on the rare occasions there's snow that sticks. (Obviously this doesn't apply to Buffalo).
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 19, 2014, 08:57:30 PM
Quote from: Jacob on November 19, 2014, 08:04:27 PM
Marty is kind of ridiculous in his smugness about 60-70 inches of snow, given Poland had 100,000 people without power and "an intolerable strain on budgets" over a snowfall of 10 inches in 2013 - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/poland/9965663/Heavy-snow-knocks-power-out-for-100000-in-Poland.html
EDIT: and contrary to the "we just carry on" claim, hundreds of flights were cancelled in Poland when they received less than a fifth of the snow Buffalo just got.
But America is a much bigger place than Poland. We do have some cities with subtropical climates that tend to shut down on the rare occasions there's snow that sticks. (Obviously this doesn't apply to Buffalo).
I'm unclear what connection your post had to Jacob's. :hmm:
That Warsaw probably does handle snow better than Atlanta or Houston or Charlotte. But why shouldn't it?
So a qualified defense of Marty's statement.
Quote from: crazy canuck on November 19, 2014, 05:58:50 PM
Agreed. I had my first IPA style brew last weekend and I am hooked.
Oo0h, what was it? Hops can be sort of addictive, though not by themselves (don't ask).
Beer snobs. :rolleyes:
No shit. Artie Donovan would disapprove.
Fuckers are worse than wine snobs.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 19, 2014, 09:18:09 PM
That Warsaw probably does handle snow better than Atlanta or Houston or Charlotte. But why shouldn't it?
So a qualified defense of Marty's statement.
But it isn't really as that isn't normal winter weather for any of those places. And Marty already conceded that because of weather patterns in certain places (like the UK), it wouldn't make economic sense for people to have the same level of preparedness that Marty attributes to Poland. And then incidentally, Jacob demolished that attribution.
Quote from: garbon on November 19, 2014, 09:33:09 PM
But it isn't really as that isn't normal winter weather for any of those places.
It's normal winter weather for Poland, which is how I interpreted the statement. /shrug
Using that reading, it's a rather silly thing to get smug about, but technically true. At least for some parts of America. So a very qualified defense.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 19, 2014, 09:42:04 PM
Quote from: garbon on November 19, 2014, 09:33:09 PM
But it isn't really as that isn't normal winter weather for any of those places.
It's normal winter weather for Poland, which is how I interpreted the statement. /shrug
Using that reading, it's a rather silly thing to get smug about, but technically true. At least for some parts of America. So a very qualified defense.
Quote from: Martinus on November 19, 2014, 05:12:32 PM
Quote from: garbon on November 19, 2014, 12:40:20 PM
I'm guessing Polish people generally spend all winter snowed-in.
We have infrastructure that keeps the snow in check. That is why, whenever heavy winter strikes in Europe, the Warsaw airport is out of service for a couple of hours, while Heathrow is out of service for days - it just does not make sense for Brits to invest in snow ploughs.
He clearly admitted he was just making a flippant Marti-like comment. I don't know why it would get any defense, even a qualified one.
:mellow:
You are going to use "the Garbon" against me? Might as well just throw that rabbit in a briar patch.
:mellow:
It's like holding a shield in front of the Medusa.
Nobody expected letting Martinus back in would lead to all this meta-Marti analysis. We expected more hostility from Mart, yes; we expected more homophobic trolling from you know who, yes; we expected more self-indulgent "life of .01% Warsaw" threads, and the hate on them, yes. But nobody expected this kind of "if Martinus, then hyperbole" or "topic of discussion : interpretation :: Martinus : Martinus' own comment" level shit.
Right now, Mart is rubbing 2 potatoes together.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 19, 2014, 10:04:15 PM
It's like holding a shield in front of the Medusa.
It's like Marty employing a metaphor.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 19, 2014, 09:28:14 PM
No shit. Artie Donovan would disapprove.
Now I did have a Bud Light in my hand when I met him. That's all they served in the Giants Stadium press box back then.
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on November 19, 2014, 10:05:07 PM
Nobody expected letting Martinus back in would lead to all this meta-Marti analysis. We expected more hostility from Mart, yes; we expected more homophobic trolling from you know who, yes; we expected more self-indulgent "life of .01% Warsaw" threads, and the hate on them, yes. But nobody expected this kind of "if Martinus, then hyperbole" or "topic of discussion : interpretation :: Martinus : Martinus' own comment" level shit.
:lol:
Quote from: garbon on November 19, 2014, 10:13:58 PM
But like really yes.
No, sir. And all your hipster buddies would agree with me.
Quote from: derspiess on November 19, 2014, 10:19:47 PM
Quote from: garbon on November 19, 2014, 10:13:58 PM
But like really yes.
No, sir. And all your hipster buddies would agree with me.
:lol:
You're using hipsters attempting to deflect accusations of being an insufferable git? #notyourshield
They're your people, too.
Quote from: derspiess on November 19, 2014, 10:19:47 PM
Quote from: garbon on November 19, 2014, 10:13:58 PM
But like really yes.
No, sir. And all your hipster buddies would agree with me.
Umm, I live in the Village. We don't really have hipsters here as the bohemian lifestyle was pushed to the Lower East Side and Brooklyn long ao. :)
Quote from: derspiess on November 19, 2014, 10:31:07 PM
They're your people, too.
Yeah, but I don't attempt to convince anyone here that I'm not an insufferable git :)
In any case, the general rule is that if you appreciate the finer points of a particular thing, it's because you have good taste; if someone appreciates the finer points of a particular thing you don't care about, they're pretentious fools or similar.
The issue here, of course, that pretty much the only thing Ed appreciate the finer points of is his bowel movements, so if you appreciate anything he'll think you're a poseur. For garbon, et. al. the issue is that they're on the other side of that general rule.
And yeah, I like beer and I like wine, and being into the finer points of either is pretty much the same thing (though one has more hipsters). Same with food. It's all, IMO, good - but you're going to get people attempting to assert their superiority through a mixture of animosity and indifference.
As an aside, apparently my neighbourhood has been zoned one way or the other due to a historic brewery being here and all of a sudden there are microbreweries showing up all over the place. I think there's something like five within a 15 minute walk radius. If you ever get up here, we'll do a tour - you probably have a more refined palette than me on this stuff :)
:D. I hoisted a Mikkeller in your honor the other day, Jake.
Quote from: derspiess on November 19, 2014, 10:44:47 PM
:D. I hoisted a Mikkeller in your honor the other day, Jake.
:cheers:
That's the beer from one of the two feuding brothers, right?
Quotethat pretty much the only thing Ed appreciate the finer points of is his bowel movements
CORRECT
I don't like when people tell me how I am thinking! :angry:
Quote from: garbon on November 19, 2014, 10:47:37 PM
I don't like when people tell me how I am thinking! :angry:
I don't think I did :huh:
... unless you are into craft beer, in which case I apologize from the mischaracterization.
Quote from: Jacob on November 19, 2014, 10:48:42 PM
Quote from: garbon on November 19, 2014, 10:47:37 PM
I don't like when people tell me how I am thinking! :angry:
I don't think I did :huh:
... unless you are into craft beer, in which case I apologize from the mischaracterization.
I think I can find someone insufferable for a hobby without it being that they're pretentious fools or similar.
Quote from: garbon on November 19, 2014, 10:50:11 PMI think I can find someone insufferable for a hobby without it being that they're pretentious fools or similar.
That is a distinction that is all but meaningless to me, but apparently not to you... possibly because you're a connaisseur of different ways for people to be lame?
Quote from: Jacob on November 19, 2014, 10:51:56 PM
Quote from: garbon on November 19, 2014, 10:50:11 PMI think I can find someone insufferable for a hobby without it being that they're pretentious fools or similar.
That is a distinction that is all but meaningless to me, but apparently not to you... possibly because you're a connaisseur of different ways for people to be lame?
I have all sorts of insufferable interests but I keep sharing them to a minimum. :)
Russian news reported on this. Russian opinion seems to be split on whether this is God's punishment for interfering in Russia's business, or a sign of the failure of "democratic" governance in US.
Quote from: DGuller on November 20, 2014, 10:19:10 AM
Russian news reported on this. Russian opinion seems to be split on whether this is God's punishment for interfering in Russia's business, or a sign of the failure of "democratic" governance in US.
What? Noone blaming gays for this somehow? Russian reporting standards: slipping. :cry:
Quote from: Jacob on November 19, 2014, 10:46:54 PM
That's the beer from one of the two feuding brothers, right?
I didn't know they were feuding, but yeah. The other brewery is Evil Twin, which oddly enough makes two "Hipster Ales", one named Williamsburg and one named Mission.
Quote from: DGuller on November 20, 2014, 10:19:10 AM
Russian news reported on this. Russian opinion seems to be split on whether this is God's punishment for interfering in Russia's business, or a sign of the failure of "democratic" governance in US.
This failure of democracy means that the veterans must take control IMHO.
Quote from: derspiess on November 19, 2014, 09:19:50 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on November 19, 2014, 05:58:50 PM
Agreed. I had my first IPA style brew last weekend and I am hooked.
Oo0h, what was it? Hops can be sort of addictive, though not by themselves (don't ask).
It was from a new micro brewery on the Sunshine Coast - about a 45 minute Ferry ride from North Vancouver. They also have an amazing Stout which someone told me about on while I was on the Ferry to the Sunshine Coast this summer. My wife suggested that she drop me off at the brewery while she got some groceries for our stay (did I choose well or what!) and I really enjoyed their beers.
Last week when I went to get some of their Stout from my local liquor merchant he suggested I try their IPA which he thought was very good. He was right.
For Jacob and any Vancouver based lurkers (buddha looking at you)
http://www.persephonebrewing.com/thebeer.html
Quote from: derspiess on November 20, 2014, 10:36:23 AM
Quote from: Jacob on November 19, 2014, 10:46:54 PM
That's the beer from one of the two feuding brothers, right?
I didn't know they were feuding, but yeah. The other brewery is Evil Twin, which oddly enough makes two "Hipster Ales", one named Williamsburg and one named Mission.
Well I read an article on them once - on an airplane - and apparently they have some sort of rivalry going on, and barely speak to one another.
Quote from: crazy canuck on November 20, 2014, 12:11:19 PM
Quote from: derspiess on November 19, 2014, 09:19:50 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on November 19, 2014, 05:58:50 PM
Agreed. I had my first IPA style brew last weekend and I am hooked.
Oo0h, what was it? Hops can be sort of addictive, though not by themselves (don't ask).
It was from a new micro brewery on the Sunshine Coast - about a 45 minute Ferry ride from North Vancouver. They also have an amazing Stout which someone told me about on while I was on the Ferry to the Sunshine Coast this summer. My wife suggested that she drop me off at the brewery while she got some groceries for our stay (did I choose well or what!) and I really enjoyed their beers.
Last week when I went to get some of their Stout from my local liquor merchant he suggested I try their IPA which he thought was very good. He was right.
For Jacob and any Vancouver based lurkers (buddha looking at you)
http://www.persephonebrewing.com/thebeer.html
Kind of cool that they go ahead and put their keg prices right out there with everything else. How was the tap room at the brewery? Are they allowed to sell beer for carryout on premises? Some places in the US have screwy laws to prevent that.
Quote from: derspiess on November 20, 2014, 12:24:04 PMKind of cool that they go ahead and put their keg prices right out there with everything else. How was the tap room at the brewery? Are they allowed to sell beer for carryout on premises? Some places in the US have screwy laws to prevent that.
Can't speak to the place CC went to, but the local breweries near my house all have the growler trade going.
Quote from: derspiess on November 20, 2014, 12:24:04 PM
Kind of cool that they go ahead and put their keg prices right out there with everything else. How was the tap room at the brewery? Are they allowed to sell beer for carryout on premises? Some places in the US have screwy laws to prevent that.
The tap room is great. It was a converted farm buiding and they kept the feel of it. The best part is they had a bunch of hard sausage that they also made on site. Made the beers go down that much easier. :D
And yes you can carry out here. That is actually where the Micros here make most of their money because their tap rooms are regulated to be quite small - the bar and restaurant lobby made sure of that.
Quote from: Jacob on November 20, 2014, 12:28:33 PM
Quote from: derspiess on November 20, 2014, 12:24:04 PMKind of cool that they go ahead and put their keg prices right out there with everything else. How was the tap room at the brewery? Are they allowed to sell beer for carryout on premises? Some places in the US have screwy laws to prevent that.
Can't speak to the place CC went to, but the local breweries near my house all have the growler trade going.
Cool. Growlers are all the rage here but our own Scipio can't get a growler filled at a brewery in Mississippi. Florida obtusely forbids 64 oz (most common size in the US) growlers but all others are legal IIRC.
Quote from: crazy canuck on November 20, 2014, 12:30:38 PM
And yes you can carry out here. That is actually where the Micros here make most of their money because their tap rooms are regulated to be quite small - the bar and restaurant lobby made sure of that.
In Ohio they reduced the licensing costs/requirements for breweries to sell on premises, with the result that all sorts of breweries (mostly small and nano) are popping up. Not sure when we'll hit the saturation point, but it's nice to see the little guys thriving, at least for the time being.
Quote from: derspiess on November 20, 2014, 12:37:56 PM
In Ohio they reduced the licensing costs/requirements for breweries to sell on premises, with the result that all sorts of breweries (mostly small and nano) are popping up. Not sure when we'll hit the saturation point, but it's nice to see the little guys thriving, at least for the time being.
Agreed. I think we are living in the golden age of beer production. :)
Nah, we just finish getting out of the rut the prohibition put us in. Took almost 100 years, thanks again 1920's.
Quote from: crazy canuck on November 20, 2014, 12:40:03 PM
Quote from: derspiess on November 20, 2014, 12:37:56 PM
In Ohio they reduced the licensing costs/requirements for breweries to sell on premises, with the result that all sorts of breweries (mostly small and nano) are popping up. Not sure when we'll hit the saturation point, but it's nice to see the little guys thriving, at least for the time being.
Agreed. I think we are living in the golden age of beer production. :)
Yeah it's quite nice.
My expectation is that we're near the peak of the trend and within a few years, some of the various micros will fail, there'll be consolidation, and the ooh-new shine will wear off and something else will come along. But it's good fun while it last, and I'm sure some of the micros will stick around.
Quote from: Grey Fox on November 20, 2014, 12:42:16 PM
Nah, we just finish getting out of the rut the prohibition put us in. Took almost 100 years, thanks again 1920's.
It wasn't just prohibition, but consolidation. In fact, I'd say the latter was a bigger factor. Advertising, improved transportation, economy of scale, etc. all helped kill the small breweries in the latter half of the 20th century.
FWIW, in the US we are back to about 1870 levels in terms of the number of breweries. We've gone from about 80 in 1983 to 3,040 as of June of this year.
Quote from: Jacob on November 20, 2014, 12:42:45 PM
My expectation is that we're near the peak of the trend and within a few years, some of the various micros will fail, there'll be consolidation, and the ooh-new shine will wear off and something else will come along. But it's good fun while it last, and I'm sure some of the micros will stick around.
I think it's something that will continue to ebb & flow, with the long term trend still moving in favor of craft beer. It started slowly in the 80s, exploded in the 90s with a literal bubble, regressed/corrected in the early 2000s and now we're going through another boom. What's notable in the US is that while overall beer consumption is going down slightly, craft beer consumption is rising and is gaining what was once thought to be unobtainable market share.
Quote from: derspiess on November 20, 2014, 01:27:50 PM
Quote from: Jacob on November 20, 2014, 12:42:45 PM
My expectation is that we're near the peak of the trend and within a few years, some of the various micros will fail, there'll be consolidation, and the ooh-new shine will wear off and something else will come along. But it's good fun while it last, and I'm sure some of the micros will stick around.
I think it's something that will continue to ebb & flow, with the long term trend still moving in favor of craft beer. It started slowly in the 80s, exploded in the 90s with a literal bubble, regressed/corrected in the early 2000s and now we're going through another boom. What's notable in the US is that while overall beer consumption is going down slightly, craft beer consumption is rising and is gaining what was once thought to be unobtainable market share.
I agree. It is the same trend here.