Why do people say "yeah no" when agreeing, or even sometimes even disagreeing with others? Is this related to the "ending every sentence with a question mark" (valley girl) thing people sometimes do in order to seem less assertive and nonthreatening? Or call it passive-aggressive maybe.
Listening to various things (TV pundits, radio, podcasts) I've begun noticing the "yeah, no" thing is beginning to stick out. I guess since I started noticing it, it no longer just flies by and I hear it all the damn time.
Never heard it.
I've only heard it as disagreement, and it's come across like this:
"Yeah" = "I heard what you said and acknowledge it"/ "I'm thinking about what you just said"/ a simple cadence device (basically a slightly more articulate "uhmmm")
"No" = response to the question.
I guess in the case of a "yeah no, I agree" the "I heard you"/"I'm thinking"/cadence device function has expanded to be "yeah no" instead of just "yeah", and "I agree" is the actual substance of the reply.
I say it. I also say the more rare 'no, no' in the same way, not for emphasis. I also have a bad habit of starting sentences with 'no' :blush:
"yeah, no" by itself, has the very acidic, patronizing "no" feel about it.
I've always felt the "yeah, no, I agree" uses the "no" as a kind of emphasis...as if the "yeah" starts as half-hearted agreement, but then the "no, I agree" part uses the "no" to remove any implied doubt and strengthen the agreement.
It makes little sense, but then it is english. :P
Quote from: Sheilbh on November 13, 2014, 05:23:17 PM
I say it. I also say the more rare 'no, no' in the same way, not for emphasis. I also have a bad habit of starting sentences with 'no' :blush:
Do you think it's a communication device or just an affectation?
Like when people end a sentence that isn't a question with an upward inflection like a question, they are usually making an assertion. And maybe that question-ey inflection is a way to tone down the aggressive nature of making an assertion.
Does the "no" have a use of that nature or is it just maybe a mental pause like umm or like or one of those things?
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on November 13, 2014, 05:28:22 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on November 13, 2014, 05:23:17 PM
I say it. I also say the more rare 'no, no' in the same way, not for emphasis. I also have a bad habit of starting sentences with 'no' :blush:
Do you think it's a communication device or just an affectation?
Like when people end a sentence that isn't a question with an upward inflection like a question, they are usually making an assertion. And maybe that question-ey inflection is a way to tone down the aggressive nature of making an assertion.
Does the "no" have a use of that nature or is it just maybe a mental pause like umm or like or one of those things?
Often I see that also when someone thinks they know/believe something, but are leaving room for doubt and inviting opinion/discussion.
Quote from: Tonitrus on November 13, 2014, 05:24:56 PM
I've always felt the "yeah, no, I agree" uses the "no" as a kind of emphasis...as if the "yeah" starts as half-hearted agreement, but then the "no, I agree" part uses the "no" to remove any implied doubt and strengthen the agreement.
This makes sense. At least when used during agreement.
I say it as well, but i've only noticed this becoming a thing in the past two years. Don't really recall hearing it before then.
Still less annoyinging than message board posters using.....
"This"
Lazy young people.
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 13, 2014, 05:53:05 PM
Still less annoyinging than message board posters using.....
"This"
Lazy young people.
This.
I'd flunk you both in my Supply Chain Management class.
Thinking about my use of "yeah, no, I agree" I think I tend to use it when someone has been emphatically pushing a point that I agree with and don't need convincing of.
When just "yeah, no" as a sign of disagreement, I'm generally being jokingly condescending.
For the simple "yeah, no"....that exists in Russian as well, "da, nyet". Where the "da" doesn't so much mean "yes" as it does simple acknowledgment of the point/assertion before filing the disagreement.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on November 13, 2014, 05:16:21 PM
Is this related to the "ending every sentence with a question mark" (valley girl) thing people sometimes do in order to seem less assertive and nonthreatening?
I don't know about all the rest, but I've noticed that it isn't just valley girls who do this any more. Instead, the more dumbass students (not just undergrads) and brand new dumbass employees all seem to do this a lot.
Hic
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 13, 2014, 06:02:37 PM
I'd flunk you both in my Supply Chain Management class.
What is Supply Chain, anyway? Chopped chain? No, it's chopped steak.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 13, 2014, 07:53:03 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 13, 2014, 06:02:37 PM
I'd flunk you both in my Supply Chain Management class.
What is Supply Chain, anyway? Chopped chain? No, it's chopped steak.
It's when you make a chain out of the paperclips from the office supply cabinet.
It's the very sinews of fucking industry, you hippies.
Anyway, I don't think it's passive-aggressive.
Apropos of nothing, but the phrase that's really been annoying me the past year or so is "wheelhouse." Ugh. I hear it everywhere now. It's just so hip. That is, amongst lame 30 year olds.
More like the arteries.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 13, 2014, 09:46:12 PM
More like the arteries.
Well, it's an important body part, unlike CDM or I, anyway. -_-
Quote from: Ideologue on November 13, 2014, 09:37:08 PM
It's the very sinews of fucking industry, you hippies.
Oh gosh, really? What, are you going to tell us about incoterms next?
QuoteApropos of nothing, but the phrase that's really been annoying me the past year or so is "wheelhouse." Ugh. I hear it everywhere now. It's just so hip. That is, amongst lame 30 year olds.
How do you feel about baileywick?
Quote from: Jacob on November 13, 2014, 11:26:51 PM
How do you feel about baileywick?
Bailiwick. My browser agrees with me.
Quote from: Ideologue on November 13, 2014, 09:37:08 PM
Apropos of nothing, but the phrase that's really been annoying me the past year or so is "wheelhouse." Ugh. I hear it everywhere now. It's just so hip. That is, amongst lame 30 year olds.
"Wheelhouse" is right in my wheelhouse!
Quote from: Ideologue on November 13, 2014, 09:37:08 PM
It's the very sinews of fucking industry, you hippies.
It's just an excuse to come up with nifty methodologies that one needs to be certified in as a Supply Chain Professional in Supply Chain Management by the Institute of Supply Chain Management of America, not to be confused with the American Institute of Supply Chain Management or the American Association of Supply Chain Managers.
Ice cream cone, lick thyself.
You know that game where you can't answer yes or no>? I sometimes challenge myself to do that in everyday life to prevent mental laziness.
A drunk beggar asked me if I had any change last night, I said "Sorry, not today, thank you." :blush:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 14, 2014, 01:32:12 AM
Quote from: Ideologue on November 13, 2014, 09:37:08 PM
It's the very sinews of fucking industry, you hippies.
It's just an excuse to come up with nifty methodologies that one needs to be certified in as a Supply Chain Professional in Supply Chain Management by the Institute of Supply Chain Management of America, not to be confused with the American Institute of Supply Chain Management or the American Association of Supply Chain Managers.
Ice cream cone, lick thyself.
I told UPS and FedEx to reroute your packages. Lick that.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on November 13, 2014, 05:16:21 PM
Why do people say "yeah no" when agreeing, or even sometimes even disagreeing with others?
It's weird, at least in my part of Germany people would use "Ja, nee" similarly.
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 14, 2014, 11:26:50 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 14, 2014, 01:32:12 AM
Quote from: Ideologue on November 13, 2014, 09:37:08 PM
It's the very sinews of fucking industry, you hippies.
It's just an excuse to come up with nifty methodologies that one needs to be certified in as a Supply Chain Professional in Supply Chain Management by the Institute of Supply Chain Management of America, not to be confused with the American Institute of Supply Chain Management or the American Association of Supply Chain Managers.
Ice cream cone, lick thyself.
I told UPS and FedEx to reroute your packages. Lick that.
How many homemade certifications did you print off your laser printer this week? Word has such fancy templates these days.
I've been guilty of using "yeah, no" a fair bit. In my case, the "yeah" tends to not actually have any meaning- it's just a replacement filler word for "um" or "uh."
I smile and nod, then silently plot to kill.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 14, 2014, 01:19:39 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 14, 2014, 11:26:50 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 14, 2014, 01:32:12 AM
Quote from: Ideologue on November 13, 2014, 09:37:08 PM
It's the very sinews of fucking industry, you hippies.
It's just an excuse to come up with nifty methodologies that one needs to be certified in as a Supply Chain Professional in Supply Chain Management by the Institute of Supply Chain Management of America, not to be confused with the American Institute of Supply Chain Management or the American Association of Supply Chain Managers.
Ice cream cone, lick thyself.
I told UPS and FedEx to reroute your packages. Lick that.
How many homemade certifications did you print off your laser printer this week? Word has such fancy templates these days.
Six Sigma Master Black Belt.
Lean must be an extra $1,200. Dickhead.
u jelly
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:lol:
That looks scarily like a place I used to work. :lol:
I'm having flashbacks. MAH LEG
Boner collects ONE BILLION DOLLARS.
And that's how our watehouse staff was replaced with robots.
Quote from: Ideologue on November 14, 2014, 07:16:40 PM
And that's how our watehouse staff was replaced with robots.
:wub:
We're all doomed.
The robots aren't always that much better.
South Africa has robots everywhere.
I used to think that, Max. Experience changed my mind, though.
Robots, unlike humans, manage to follow instructions properly more often than not.
Yea, I should qualify that. When the mistakes happen they are egregious. But if the engineers are doing their job they get fixed and it doesn't happen again.
Sadly, there are mistakes that cannot be fixed. Robots are extremely dangerous. Few people understand how fucking fast these things are able to move.
A month or so ago I was sent to oversee the job of one of our contractors. They have done a pretty poor job all around* but their safety implementation was bordering on criminal negligence. Fortunately nothing serious happened and I managed to turn things around after pointing fingers and bashing in a few heads. Though (and this is an example of what I was referring to on my previous post) it took me much longer than if I had reprogrammed the stations myself - much to the puzzlement and anger of my coworkers, who didn't understand why I was not allowed to do just that.
* Which will likely spell the end of their firm.
Quote from: Iormlund on November 16, 2014, 01:56:02 PM
Sadly, there are mistakes that cannot be fixed. Robots are extremely dangerous. Few people understand how fucking fast these things are able to move.
Lol ok Sarah Connor.
:P
QuoteA month or so ago I was sent to oversee the job of one of our contractors. They have done a pretty poor job all around* but their safety implementation was bordering on criminal negligence. Fortunately nothing serious happened and I managed to turn things around after pointing fingers and bashing in a few heads. Though (and this is an example of what I was referring to on my previous post) it took me much longer than if I had reprogrammed the stations myself - much to the puzzlement and anger of my coworkers, who didn't understand why I was not allowed to do just that.
* Which will likely spell the end of their firm.
You did good, Dr. STEM. :wub: