My current vid card is a Nvidia GTX460, IIRC: I'll be more precise when I'll be back home; I'd like to upgrade it, not because it's an actual bottleneck (I don't play many GPU-intensive games, except Elite: Dangerous), but because it's more than three years old and I think that spending around € 150-200 would give me a serious boost in performance/graphical effects
The setup would be: single monitor, 1920*1080, don't care for SLI-CrossFire; budget, as said, at most € 200: would a GTX 660/760 do the work? Or should I aim at something different?
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Eh, I have the same card.
Most people are are recommending to get a 970 or go the AMD route & get a R9 285x.(viper)
At 200$, it would be the R9 280x.
Either the 280x or 285x would be good on the AMD front.
I'd prefer to stay in the Nvidia camp: what's a card with performance comparable to the R9 280x? the GTX 760?
L.
Quote from: Pedrito on October 24, 2014, 09:37:50 AM
I'd prefer to stay in the Nvidia camp: what's a card with performance comparable to the R9 280x? the GTX 760?
L.
Yeah, GTX 760 is similar, albeit a tad slower than the 280x.
Quote from: Pedrito on October 24, 2014, 09:37:50 AM
I'd prefer to stay in the Nvidia camp: what's a card with performance comparable to the R9 280x? the GTX 760?
L.
The new 970
Quote from: Grey Fox on October 24, 2014, 11:28:31 AM
Quote from: Pedrito on October 24, 2014, 09:37:50 AM
I'd prefer to stay in the Nvidia camp: what's a card with performance comparable to the R9 280x? the GTX 760?
L.
The new 970
At 450$? :banned:
Yes. That's the conundrum(sp?) you either go for an AMD at lower price or you shell out for the 970 instead of going for the obsolete Nvidia cards & too big prices.
Is the Gtx 760 really obsolete, for My needs (see OP)?
I want a jump in performance, but at not too high a price: if the 760 gives me the expected boost, I'll buy it; otherwise, I can serenely wait for the further fall of prices of more performing cards.
L.
I actually have a similar question. I currently use nvidia 570, and I am wondering if I should upgrade, and if so, which card I should buy. I prefer a quiet card if possible. Is the 570 obsolete?
Is there a reference with all the video card technologies? I'm getting lost with all those combinations of numbers and letters.
Quote from: DGuller on October 25, 2014, 10:57:58 AM
Is there a reference with all the video card technologies? I'm getting lost with all those combinations of numbers and letters.
With Nvidia:
http://www.geforce.com/hardware
From upper left to down right, in order of performance.
For AMD:
http://www.amd.com/en-us/products/graphics/desktop
R9, R7, R5, HD 7000.
Where it gets confusing is that R9 and R7 are rebranded HD 7000, various models. They are mostly the same cards, with slight differences.
But the newer ones, they're all R9 and R7.
For gaming, I wouldn't got below R9 280.
@Mono:
If you're looking at a non gaming silent car, then there are variations of the 7000 series without any fans. Just search for "fanless video card".
Quote from: viper37 on October 27, 2014, 12:10:06 AM
@Mono:
If you're looking at a non gaming silent car, then there are variations of the 7000 series without any fans. Just search for "fanless video card".
I was not clear. I do need to play games ;)
If you have anything under a 660, get a new video card.
@Pedrito, You would but for the same price you can get a R9 280.
Quote from: Grey Fox on October 27, 2014, 06:54:17 AM
If you have anything under a 660, get a new video card.
Any video card recommendations? I am not prepared to pay more than US$800.
Quote from: Monoriu on October 27, 2014, 08:08:23 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on October 27, 2014, 06:54:17 AM
If you have anything under a 660, get a new video card.
Any video card recommendations? I am not prepared to pay more than US$800.
That's insane prices.
If Budget is not, really, an issue a GTX 970 will do the trick. That's about 350$US in the USA, 450$ in Canada.
Quote from: Grey Fox on October 27, 2014, 08:09:48 AM
Quote from: Monoriu on October 27, 2014, 08:08:23 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on October 27, 2014, 06:54:17 AM
If you have anything under a 660, get a new video card.
Any video card recommendations? I am not prepared to pay more than US$800.
That's insane prices.
If Budget is not, really, an issue a GTX 970 will do the trick. That's about 350$US in the USA, 450$ in Canada.
Thanks. What about CPU? I have an i7-2600K now. Is it obsolete? If so, what should I get to replace it?
Not obsolete. Don't replace it. Unless you see a performance reason or are building from scratch it is not worth the cost to replace a 2nd Generation or more Intel I5s-I7s.
Quote from: Monoriu on October 27, 2014, 01:15:04 AM
Quote from: viper37 on October 27, 2014, 12:10:06 AM
@Mono:
If you're looking at a non gaming silent car, then there are variations of the 7000 series without any fans. Just search for "fanless video card".
I was not clear. I do need to play games ;)
then forget about the "silent part".
Get the MSI TwinFrzr variant of the card you want, either GTX 970 or GTX 980. Though I think the GTX 980 is overkill and overpriced at 700$, it's in your budget.
Quote from: viper37 on October 27, 2014, 10:07:27 AM
Quote from: Monoriu on October 27, 2014, 01:15:04 AM
Quote from: viper37 on October 27, 2014, 12:10:06 AM
@Mono:
If you're looking at a non gaming silent car, then there are variations of the 7000 series without any fans. Just search for "fanless video card".
I was not clear. I do need to play games ;)
then forget about the "silent part".
Get the MSI TwinFrzr variant of the card you want, either GTX 970 or GTX 980. Though I think the GTX 980 is overkill and overpriced at 700$, it's in your budget.
Nah, if 970 and 980 are not too different, I'll pick the much cheaper 970.
It's faster, just not 1.5x faster. Maybe 20% faster. And it's sorta new, along with the Titans, so their prices are steep, until suckers early adopters all have one, then the prices will drop.
Team Green will eventually introduce it's 960 option too.
It's probably the card we should all get.
Quote from: Monoriu on October 27, 2014, 08:08:23 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on October 27, 2014, 06:54:17 AM
If you have anything under a 660, get a new video card.
Any video card recommendations? I am not prepared to pay more than US$800.
That's a hell of a budget. :o
Quote from: Barrister on October 27, 2014, 12:07:49 PM
Quote from: Monoriu on October 27, 2014, 08:08:23 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on October 27, 2014, 06:54:17 AM
If you have anything under a 660, get a new video card.
Any video card recommendations? I am not prepared to pay more than US$800.
That's a hell of a budget. :o
It's Hong-Kong. It probably costs 50$ to get a cup of coffee ;)
Quote from: Barrister on October 27, 2014, 12:07:49 PM
Quote from: Monoriu on October 27, 2014, 08:08:23 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on October 27, 2014, 06:54:17 AM
If you have anything under a 660, get a new video card.
Any video card recommendations? I am not prepared to pay more than US$800.
That's a hell of a budget. :o
I have no clue :blush:
Quote from: viper37 on October 27, 2014, 10:33:12 AM
It's faster, just not 1.5x faster. Maybe 20% faster. And it's sorta new, along with the Titans, so their prices are steep, until suckers early adopters all have one, then the prices will drop.
I'll wait. I am willing to spend on the computer because that's the one object in the universe that has the highest correlation with my happiness level. But then I guess Total War Rome 2 or Sid Meier's Beyond Earth or Elder Scroll 5 don't need the absolute best. And I don't think anime watching requires the absolute best either.
Quote from: Monoriu on October 27, 2014, 07:11:33 PM
Quote from: viper37 on October 27, 2014, 10:33:12 AM
It's faster, just not 1.5x faster. Maybe 20% faster. And it's sorta new, along with the Titans, so their prices are steep, until suckers early adopters all have one, then the prices will drop.
I'll wait. I am willing to spend on the computer because that's the one object in the universe that has the highest correlation with my happiness level. But then I guess Total War Rome 2 or Sid Meier's Beyond Earth or Elder Scroll 5 don't need the absolute best. And I don't think anime watching requires the absolute best either.
You can build a 500$ computer to watch anime ;)
TW2 and Skyrim can require a very good video card, but the GTX 970 is more than enough for that, even with a gazillion mods.
Is there any possibility that I can *gasp* replace the video card on my own? I'm not inclined to drag the computer to the shop once more. I am the sort of guy who is scared every time I open the computer case and I dare not touch the cables :ph34r:
How many cables and screws are involved anyway?
GTX 970 sells for US$358 here. 980 is US$640.
Quote from: Monoriu on October 28, 2014, 08:31:39 PM
Is there any possibility that I can *gasp* replace the video card on my own? I'm not inclined to drag the computer to the shop once more. I am the sort of guy who is scared every time I open the computer case and I dare not touch the cables :ph34r:
How many cables and screws are involved anyway?
It's one of the easiest, safest operations inside a pc case.
- turn off the system
- unplug every cable , particularly the display one and the AC
- open the case, remember do not use a pair of rubber-soles shoes because they insulate you and static energy accumulating in your body can fry some component (it never never happened to me, but it's wise advice nonetheless)
- unplug the current cable of the card
- unscrew the front of the card from the chassis, please do not use magnetically charged screwdrivers
- push the small lever that's at the end of the pci-express slot farther from the chassis
- extract the old card, insert the new one until you hear the small lever going in place with a click.
- screw the front, plug the cable, close the case, attach all the other cables, start the pc, install drivers, enjoy.
L.
Quote from: Pedrito on October 29, 2014, 02:15:18 AM
Quote from: Monoriu on October 28, 2014, 08:31:39 PM
Is there any possibility that I can *gasp* replace the video card on my own? I'm not inclined to drag the computer to the shop once more. I am the sort of guy who is scared every time I open the computer case and I dare not touch the cables :ph34r:
How many cables and screws are involved anyway?
It's one of the easiest, safest operations inside a pc case.
- turn off the system
- unplug every cable , particularly the display one and the AC
- open the case, remember do not use a pair of rubber-soles shoes because they insulate you and static energy accumulating in your body can fry some component (it never never happened to me, but it's wise advice nonetheless)
- unplug the current cable of the card
- unscrew the front of the card from the chassis, please do not use magnetically charged screwdrivers
- push the small lever that's at the end of the pci-express slot farther from the chassis
- extract the old card, insert the new one until you hear the small lever going in place with a click.
- screw the front, plug the cable, close the case, attach all the other cables, start the pc, install drivers, enjoy.
L.
Thanks. I still have one question though. Is there any point? I hate to spend US$358, replace the 570 with the 970, then find out that...nothing has changed and all the graphics pretty much remain the same. Is there any real difference, or should I just stick with the 570 for a year or two more?
Quote from: Monoriu on October 29, 2014, 02:31:17 AM
Thanks. I still have one question though. Is there any point? I hate to spend US$358, replace the 570 with the 970, then find out that...nothing has changed and all the graphics pretty much remain the same. Is there any real difference, or should I just stick with the 570 for a year or two more?
That's pretty much my OP question, too :P
Jumping from (in my case) a 460 to a 770 or, even better, a 970 would grant a smoother frame rate and better effects, I'm quite positive about it.
The conundrum is: does spending € 250 for a 770 grant a significant raise in performance? If I spend € 350 for a 970 (a raise of about +40% from a € 250 GT770), will I get a +40% better performance than a 770, too?
L.
Quote from: Monoriu on October 29, 2014, 01:32:22 AM
GTX 970 sells for US$358 here. 980 is US$640.
either go for the 970 or the AMD R9 290x, wich could be a little cheaper. Both gives about the performance / $ value.
Quote from: Pedrito on October 29, 2014, 02:59:27 AM
Quote from: Monoriu on October 29, 2014, 02:31:17 AM
Thanks. I still have one question though. Is there any point? I hate to spend US$358, replace the 570 with the 970, then find out that...nothing has changed and all the graphics pretty much remain the same. Is there any real difference, or should I just stick with the 570 for a year or two more?
That's pretty much my OP question, too :P
Jumping from (in my case) a 460 to a 770 or, even better, a 970 would grant a smoother frame rate and better effects, I'm quite positive about it.
The conundrum is: does spending € 250 for a 770 grant a significant raise in performance? If I spend € 350 for a 970 (a raise of about +40% from a € 250 GT770), will I get a +40% better performance than a 770, too?
L.
The answer to both of your questions is: it depends.
In the case of Mono, to play Skyrim (with the graphic modifications) and Rome 2, it would be worth it.
You will see a lot more details in your graphics, you will get higher resolution and more speed at that higher resolution.
And Mono has the CPU to run intensive games at higher resolution.
In your case Pedrito, I don't think a 970 is a good investment, unless you intend to gradually upgrade your computer to a better one within a year. I don't know your config, but anything short of an Intel i5 or the latest AMD FX would not cope with high resolutions in modern game.
So, in your case, the 760 might be worth it if you want to stick with Nvidia. Anything lower is not worth the upgrade costs, anything higher is wasted money, you'll be dragged down by your CPU.
Quote from: viper37 on October 29, 2014, 10:06:15 AM
The answer to both of your questions is: it depends.
In the case of Mono, to play Skyrim (with the graphic modifications) and Rome 2, it would be worth it.
You will see a lot more details in your graphics, you will get higher resolution and more speed at that higher resolution.
And Mono has the CPU to run intensive games at higher resolution.
In your case Pedrito, I don't think a 970 is a good investment, unless you intend to gradually upgrade your computer to a better one within a year. I don't know your config, but anything short of an Intel i5 or the latest AMD FX would not cope with high resolutions in modern game.
So, in your case, the 760 might be worth it if you want to stick with Nvidia. Anything lower is not worth the upgrade costs, anything higher is wasted money, you'll be dragged down by your CPU.
I have an i5-2500K not overclocked, 8 gb RAM (uncertain about the clock rate, I'll check and report), AsRock motherboard, single 1920*1080 display, main drive SSD, data drive mechanical, Windows 7: I don't want to spend money on it, because it's extremely stable and works well for the use I make of it.
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Alright. I will go buy the 970 tomorrow then. Buying is one thing. Installing it is the really painful part :wacko:
Hmm, I just want to make sure that I am not doing anything really stupid or irredeemable. My system is -
Intel I7 2600k CPU
16GB Ram
Asus Intel P8Z68 V LE motherboard
Super Flower Golden Green 850W power supply
Windows 7
GTX 570
Is this compatible with the GTX 970? Do I need to change anything else? More Ram, bigger power supply, or something? I really don't need to replace the CPU? It is 3 years old. :unsure:
Quote from: Monoriu on October 29, 2014, 11:07:07 AM
Hmm, I just want to make sure that I am not doing anything really stupid or irredeemable. My system is -
Intel I7 2600k CPU
16GB Ram
Asus Intel P8Z68 V LE motherboard
Super Flower Golden Green 850W power supply
Windows 7
GTX 570
Is this compatible with the GTX 970? Do I need to change anything else? More Ram, bigger power supply, or something? I really don't need to replace the CPU? It is 3 years old. :unsure:
You might have an issue - that graphics card needs/uses PCI Express 3.0, whereas your motherboard only has PCI Express 2.0.
In worrying about compatibility for your graphics card, you only need to worry if it:
A. will physically fit (so depends on your case)
B. will be compatible with your motherboard
C. Will have enough power (with 850W I'm sure you're fine)
Quote from: Barrister on October 29, 2014, 03:30:51 PM
Quote from: Monoriu on October 29, 2014, 11:07:07 AM
Hmm, I just want to make sure that I am not doing anything really stupid or irredeemable. My system is -
Intel I7 2600k CPU
16GB Ram
Asus Intel P8Z68 V LE motherboard
Super Flower Golden Green 850W power supply
Windows 7
GTX 570
Is this compatible with the GTX 970? Do I need to change anything else? More Ram, bigger power supply, or something? I really don't need to replace the CPU? It is 3 years old. :unsure:
You might have an issue - that graphics card needs/uses PCI Express 3.0, whereas your motherboard only has PCI Express 2.0.
In worrying about compatibility for your graphics card, you only need to worry if it:
A. will physically fit (so depends on your case)
B. will be compatible with your motherboard
C. Will have enough power (with 850W I'm sure you're fine)
Good thing I asked. I'll need to talk to the computer shop people then. If I need to buy a new motherboard too, there is no way I'll install it myself.
Any recommendations for a new motherboard with this PCI Express 3.0 thing equipped? If possible, I'd like it to be sort of "future proof".
Quote from: Barrister on October 29, 2014, 03:30:51 PM
You might have an issue - that graphics card needs/uses PCI Express 3.0, whereas your motherboard only has PCI Express 2.0.
Well, damn. I completely overlooked this part.
But a 3.0 card should work in a 2.0 slot, isn't it?
L.
Quote from: Pedrito on October 29, 2014, 05:50:35 PM
Quote from: Barrister on October 29, 2014, 03:30:51 PM
You might have an issue - that graphics card needs/uses PCI Express 3.0, whereas your motherboard only has PCI Express 2.0.
Well, damn. I completely overlooked this part.
But a 3.0 card should work in a 2.0 slot, isn't it?
L.
From what I have searched so far, it seems a 3.0 graphics card should work in a 2.0 motherboard slot.
http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2244756/pci-express-graphics-card-slot-motherboard.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2273077/pci-express-x16-graphics-card-work-pci-express-slot.html
As to whether it will physically fit. I have this case.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811146071
Quote from: Pedrito on October 29, 2014, 10:49:41 AM
I have an i5-2500K not overclocked, 8 gb RAM (uncertain about the clock rate, I'll check and report), AsRock motherboard, single 1920*1080 display, main drive SSD, data drive mechanical, Windows 7: I don't want to spend money on it, because it's extremely stable and works well for the use I make of it.
Well, it seems I was mistaken in assuming you had an older rig than that. Imho, the video card is the weak point of your setup, so upgrading it will give you a boost.
It's up to you if you want to spend 450$ on a video card though. Personally, I wouldn't for the type of games you described (non gpu intensive), I don't think it's worth it. I believe you are better with a 200$ card, either AMD 280x or Nvidia GTX 760.
A PCI-E 3.0 will fit in a PCI-E 2.0 slot no problem, but you'll just have the performance of a 2.0 card.
In that case Mono, I don't think the 970 is worth it. The 760 is PCI-E 3.0 too, but it is 200$ cheaper
As for physical dimensions, it is 1.25" (3cm) longer than your actual card. Open the case, see if it fits by adding 3cm to your actual card.
Same for Pedrito, btw.
If you want to change your MB, Mono, than I definately advise you to let a pro do it. And if you change the MB, you will need to change the CPU too, since it will drag you down... So, imho, you're ok as you are with just a 760. on a GTX 760, there is not much difference between PCI-E 2.0 and 3.0.
But the higher the cards, the bigger the difference.
You are fine with your power supply, unless you want to add 2 other video cards and 4 hard drives ;)
RAM is ok too, no need to go higher.
PCI Express 3.0 motherboards are RARE.
Mono your system is fine. I want to steal it.
Pedrito's and I systems are eerily alike.
In that case, I will buy the 970 and try installing it myself. Keyword being try :lol: I fully expect to fail and come back here crying for help.
The CPU, motherboard, and HDD replacement can wait. Maybe I will do it this time next year. By then the system will be 4 years old.
BTW, what is the actual limit on the no. of HDDs that I can have? 3 years ago I was very surprised to find out that I could have more than 1. Right now I have 2 SSDs and 1 mechanical. Is that the absolute limit? Can I have four? :unsure:
Quote from: Grey Fox on October 29, 2014, 09:33:35 PM
PCI Express 3.0 motherboards are RARE.
Mono your system is fine. I want to steal it.
Pedrito's and I systems are eerily alike.
:lol: at the time it was the sweet spot between price and performance. I've dusted the old thread about what to buy, and our systems could've been even more similar, if only I have waited for the Asus motherboard with the updated chipset.
L.
Quote from: Monoriu on October 29, 2014, 11:06:58 PM
In that case, I will buy the 970 and try installing it myself. Keyword being try :lol: I fully expect to fail and come back here crying for help.
The CPU, motherboard, and HDD replacement can wait. Maybe I will do it this time next year. By then the system will be 4 years old.
BTW, what is the actual limit on the no. of HDDs that I can have? 3 years ago I was very surprised to find out that I could have more than 1. Right now I have 2 SSDs and 1 mechanical. Is that the absolute limit? Can I have four? :unsure:
Windows doesn't have a maximun. Your case, motherboard & Power supply do. IMO, you can fit 5 easily in your case.
Quote from: Pedrito on October 30, 2014, 01:46:44 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on October 29, 2014, 09:33:35 PM
PCI Express 3.0 motherboards are RARE.
Mono your system is fine. I want to steal it.
Pedrito's and I systems are eerily alike.
:lol: at the time it was the sweet spot between price and performance. I've dusted the old thread about what to buy, and our systems could've been even more similar, if only I have waited for the Asus motherboard with the updated chipset.
L.
You have a link to that thread?
I was right :lol: I bought the 970. Can't get it to work. Even the old card doesn't work anymore. No video output signal at all. Now I have to take it to the repair shop. Biggest mistake ever :D
Quote from: Grey Fox on October 30, 2014, 08:18:54 AM
Quote from: Pedrito on October 30, 2014, 01:46:44 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on October 29, 2014, 09:33:35 PM
PCI Express 3.0 motherboards are RARE.
Mono your system is fine. I want to steal it.
Pedrito's and I systems are eerily alike.
:lol: at the time it was the sweet spot between price and performance. I've dusted the old thread about what to buy, and our systems could've been even more similar, if only I have waited for the Asus motherboard with the updated chipset.
L.
You have a link to that thread?
http://languish.org/forums/index.php/topic,4581.0.html (http://languish.org/forums/index.php/topic,4581.0.html)
But the thread was started before the reset of the board, so the first part is lost.
L.
Now that I have to take it to the repair shop, maybe I am just going to replace the CPU, motherboard, and HDD anyway :hmm:
Quote from: Grey Fox on October 29, 2014, 09:33:35 PM
PCI Express 3.0 motherboards are RARE.
No, they are the norm as of 2 years ago. They were rare when I bought my AMD board 2.5 years ago, they are no longer rare.
Quote from: Monoriu on October 30, 2014, 09:02:39 AM
I was right :lol: I bought the 970. Can't get it to work. Even the old card doesn't work anymore. No video output signal at all. Now I have to take it to the repair shop. Biggest mistake ever :D
you forgot to plug the power supply cable.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.bit-tech.net%2Fcontent_images%2F2014%2F09%2Fnvidia-geforce-gtx-970-review%2Fref-3b.jpg&hash=6ca855cbc918a1e831a2d7932d8fc6eab16927f2)
Top front of the card, see the connector?
There was most likely a cable there on your older card, you need to plug it again.
Pretty sure I plugged both power cables. At least the fans on the card moves.
I think I broke the motherboard. Seriously. I suck. :glare:
I am proceeding on the assumption that I need to replace the motherboard. In that case I will buy a new CPU and HDD. Now, what kind of CPU should I buy that is better than the i7 2600k and has reasonable price and performance?
Lesson learned: never open the case again. :blush:
Quote from: Monoriu on October 30, 2014, 02:47:01 PM
Pretty sure I plugged both power cables. At least the fans on the card moves.
Recheck.
Make sure your monitor is really plugged behind your card, not on your motherboard connector.
Try switching from one connector to the other.
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I think I broke the motherboard. Seriously. I suck. :glare:
Unless you heard a popping noise and found a plastic piece somewhere, it's doubtful. Does it beep when you start the computer?
Make sure the card is correctly inserted in the motherboard. If you pull the card (gently) and it comes out without touching anything else, you didn't insert it correctly.
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I am proceeding on the assumption that I need to replace the motherboard. In that case I will buy a new CPU and HDD. Now, what kind of CPU should I buy that is better than the i7 2600k and has reasonable price and performance?
Depends on what price you want to pay for the CPU.
For the motherboard, you need one with the Z97 chipset.
The Asus Sabertooth Z97 mark 2 would be a good choice, if it fits your budget.
As CPU, either Intel Core i5 4670k or Intel core i7 4771. The i7 is obviously better, costs about 100$ more.
HDD, go for Western Digital Black 2TB or 4TB. If you need extra storage for your anime videos, go for the less expensive Western Digital Green (they are slower, but just reading video files won't matter).
Yeah Mono - the fact you're not getting anything at all makes me think you just didn't connect or reconnect something.
I have tried every single connector slot behind the computer. I have also tried using two different monitors and all sorts of different connecting cables and adaptors. None of them works.
When it boots up, the computer now has an obvious disruption. It boots, the fan moves, then stops for 10 seconds, and moves again. Didn't occur before. So I think I broke the motherboard.
How is i7 5820k or 5830k? Won't consider i5 though.
Quote from: Barrister on October 30, 2014, 03:25:12 PM
Yeah Mono - the fact you're not getting anything at all makes me think you just didn't connect or reconnect something.
This isn't the first time I can't get a video output signal from this computer. It has always been difficult. Even the technician tried many different ways before he got results. There is only one specific combination of a cable, adaptor and connector slot that works. All the HDMI outputs are toast, for some reason.
Your power supply suck. Replace that first.
Quote from: Pedrito on October 30, 2014, 09:10:33 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on October 30, 2014, 08:18:54 AM
Quote from: Pedrito on October 30, 2014, 01:46:44 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on October 29, 2014, 09:33:35 PM
PCI Express 3.0 motherboards are RARE.
Mono your system is fine. I want to steal it.
Pedrito's and I systems are eerily alike.
:lol: at the time it was the sweet spot between price and performance. I've dusted the old thread about what to buy, and our systems could've been even more similar, if only I have waited for the Asus motherboard with the updated chipset.
L.
You have a link to that thread?
http://languish.org/forums/index.php/topic,4581.0.html (http://languish.org/forums/index.php/topic,4581.0.html)
But the thread was started before the reset of the board, so the first part is lost.
L.
Oh the nostalgia.
I have to agree now with Viper about case fans too. They are way noisy in my 8 years old case now.
Quote from: Monoriu on October 30, 2014, 03:28:26 PM
When it boots up, the computer now has an obvious disruption. It boots, the fan moves, then stops for 10 seconds, and moves again. Didn't occur before. So I think I broke the motherboard.
Most likely a power supply problem then.
Change it for an
Antec HCG-850M or
XFX Pro 850W Black Edition I'd start there at the computer shop.
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How is i7 5820k or 5830k? Won't consider i5 though.
yeah, the i5 is equivalent to what you have, only marginally better overclocking ability.
These two i7 are overkill for the games you play and the way you play it.
Btw, the 'k' in Intel is for unlocked processors, meaning those you can easily overclock (unlike AMD where you can overclock all processors). If you don't plan on overclocking and they sell for more than a regular CPU, don't bother with the premium.
Btw, my current gaming rig is an Core i5 4670k and Radeon 290x. I have yet to see a game I can not run with all graphic options to the max.
The i7 5820-30 would be useful in a SLI/Tri-SLI setup where you run on multiple monitors (4-6).
See, I got Skyrim, with all 2k graphic mods and zero problems at all for performance.
But it's your money. :)
Those are all good points, but unlike you, I am a computer idiot, and I really hate to upgrade the computer. So one of my aims is not just to be able to run all current games with graphics options to the max, but to be able to do so 2 years down the road as well. This upgrading video card business is already extremely stressful from a psychological point of view, and I have absolutely no intention to repeat this very unpleasant experience any time soon.
you gotta break some eggs to make an omelet.
Quote from: Grey Fox on October 30, 2014, 08:19:00 PM
you gotta break some eggs to make an omelet.
I've already paid a dear price for the card. I didn't expect to break the computer in the process :lol:
Yeah, it is all my fault, I know that. Really shouldn't expect that I can replace the card. I'll remember that.
Quote from: Monoriu on October 30, 2014, 07:18:11 PM
Those are all good points, but unlike you, I am a computer idiot, and I really hate to upgrade the computer. So one of my aims is not just to be able to run all current games with graphics options to the max, but to be able to do so 2 years down the road as well. This upgrading video card business is already extremely stressful from a psychological point of view, and I have absolutely no intention to repeat this very unpleasant experience any time soon.
You will still need to upgrade 2 years down the road. You bought your computer, top of the line, 3 years ago, and you are upgrading the video card today because you feel it's not powerful enough...
2 years from now, we will have Windows 10 with DirectX 12 and the first games to really use this new API will be out. Mantle (AMD api wich DX12 will mostly copy) will either be extinct or will be very popular. You current video card and i7 5xxx cpu might no be able to play Call of Duty Advanced Warfare 3000 on full graphics then, or at least, not as pretty&fast as the latest video cards on the market 2 years from now, just as your current card is not as good as the 970.
If your motherboard is not dead (I'm pretty sure it isn't), I'd say keep your setup at least one more year.
Everything fixed. Took it to the computer shop and they did all the installation, driver updates, cleaning etc for free.
I was sorta right that the problem is motherboard related :P Apparently when I installed the new card last night, I somehow loosened one of the plastic things that kept the RAM cards in place. That prevented the system from booting up properly. That's the issue, and yes I still suck. Feel free to use this as ammunition to laugh at me for years to come :Embarrass:
I also bought a new 6T internal HDD. As the motherboard is not dead, I feel this is not the right time to replace it or the CPU.
Initial impressions with 970. I see more details in Rome 2. The card is also more quiet, as there are 2 large fans vs 570's 1 small fan. Loading times of large 1080p anime files are much shorter.
Yeah, having half a ram plugged in will stop a computer from booting up.
I sure do hope you see a difference, it's a 400$ video card!
Quote from: Monoriu on October 31, 2014, 12:38:06 AM
Everything fixed. Took it to the computer shop and they did all the installation, driver updates, cleaning etc for free.
I was sorta right that the problem is motherboard related :P Apparently when I installed the new card last night, I somehow loosened one of the plastic things that kept the RAM cards in place. That prevented the system from booting up properly. That's the issue, and yes I still suck. Feel free to use this as ammunition to laugh at me for years to come :Embarrass:
I also bought a new 6T internal HDD. As the motherboard is not dead, I feel this is not the right time to replace it or the CPU.
Which everybody had been trying to tell you for days. Your problem is you just don't listen.
Glad the computer's not fried, though. And yeah, the card's onboard RAM will speed some things up for you.
Quote from: DontSayBanana on October 31, 2014, 10:32:33 AM
Which everybody had been trying to tell you for days. Your problem is you just don't listen.
Glad the computer's not fried, though. And yeah, the card's onboard RAM will speed some things up for you.
Anything else you guys want to tell me? I've spent more than enough on computers for now, but I'm sure I'll need to buy some upgrades sooner or later. I think the biggest weakness of the system is the CPU and motherboard, and they are next :menace:
Is there anything new that I should pay attention to?
Quote from: Monoriu on October 31, 2014, 11:08:20 AM
Anything else you guys want to tell me? I've spent more than enough on computers for now, but I'm sure I'll need to buy some upgrades sooner or later. I think the biggest weakness of the system is the CPU and motherboard, and they are next :menace:
Is there anything new that I should pay attention to?
Have you posted the full spec already? Power supply, motherboard, CPU, RAM, video card and HDDs/SSDs?
Quote from: DontSayBanana on October 31, 2014, 11:18:59 AM
Quote from: Monoriu on October 31, 2014, 11:08:20 AM
Anything else you guys want to tell me? I've spent more than enough on computers for now, but I'm sure I'll need to buy some upgrades sooner or later. I think the biggest weakness of the system is the CPU and motherboard, and they are next :menace:
Is there anything new that I should pay attention to?
Have you posted the full spec already? Power supply, motherboard, CPU, RAM, video card and HDDs/SSDs?
He has.
Intel I7 2600k CPU
16GB Ram
Asus Intel P8Z68 V LE motherboard
Super Flower Golden Green 850W power supply
Windows 7
GTX 970
He's got like a billion TBs of storage and a 256gb ssd if I remember correctly.
Quote from: Monoriu on October 31, 2014, 11:08:20 AM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on October 31, 2014, 10:32:33 AM
Which everybody had been trying to tell you for days. Your problem is you just don't listen.
Glad the computer's not fried, though. And yeah, the card's onboard RAM will speed some things up for you.
Anything else you guys want to tell me? I've spent more than enough on computers for now, but I'm sure I'll need to buy some upgrades sooner or later. I think the biggest weakness of the system is the CPU and motherboard, and they are next :menace:
Is there anything new that I should pay attention to?
Wait for Windows 10 and DirectX 12 to be on the market, than think of an upgrade.
Whatever we tell you now will be outdated one year from now.
General advice: buy another power supply, don't upgrade to the latest&newest since they carry a prime to early-adopters, think of what you want to do, what kind of games and on how many monitors you intend to play on.
Quote from: Grey Fox on October 31, 2014, 11:34:34 AM
He's got like a billion TBs of storage and a 256gb ssd if I remember correctly.
Not a billion :P
1 x 500G SSD
1 x 128G SSD
1 x 6TB (internal)
1 x 2TB (internal)
3 external HDDs with 14TB
Quote from: viper37 on October 31, 2014, 01:32:25 PM
Wait for Windows 10 and DirectX 12 to be on the market, than think of an upgrade.
Whatever we tell you now will be outdated one year from now.
General advice: buy another power supply, don't upgrade to the latest&newest since they carry a prime to early-adopters, think of what you want to do, what kind of games and on how many monitors you intend to play on.
I don't understand. Why do I need to wait for Windows 10 to be released before I buy a new CPU? :unsure:
I have absolutely no idea about the brand names of power supply units. I'll trust you guys that mine sucks :blush: Kinda hard for me to pay US$200 to replace a perfectly functioning power supply though.
When I buy a new CPU, I probably won't buy a quad core one.
Quote from: Monoriu on October 31, 2014, 06:57:34 PM
I don't understand. Why do I need to wait for Windows 10 to be released before I buy a new CPU? :unsure:
You don't need to. But since there's a new OS and a new technology around the corner, I would wait to upgrade until it is out, until we know the required specs of the new OS, until we know what the new games will require to take advantage of the new OS and its DX 12 API.
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I have absolutely no idea about the brand names of power supply units. I'll trust you guys that mine sucks :blush: Kinda hard for me to pay US$200 to replace a perfectly functioning power supply though.
Well, don't replace it right now, but when you change the motherboard and CPU, look for a one that is "80 plus Bronze " or "80 Plus Gold" if electricity is very expensive in HK (it consumes less power, but with my local prices on electricity, it would take me about 7-8 years to recuperate my investment, so it really depends on the price of electricity in your area).
Aside the economy, they have less power fluctuations, so better for the hardware.
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When I buy a new CPU, I probably won't buy a quad core one.
Well, games are poorly written, they don't really take advantage of all cores, that's why Intel performs better in games with only 2-4 cores compared to AMD's 6-8 cores cpus.
Canadian video cards pricing is pissing me off.
Ok, it's a GTX 760, it's decided.
Now, what manufacturer? Zotac, EVGA, MSI, Asus?
L.
MSI or the cheapest you can find.
Quote from: Pedrito on November 04, 2014, 11:50:25 AM
Ok, it's a GTX 760, it's decided.
Now, what manufacturer? Zotac, EVGA, MSI, Asus?
L.
MSI TwinFrzr is imho the best retail card, so I'll go with Grey Fox on this :)
Quote from: Grey Fox on November 04, 2014, 09:05:15 AM
Canadian video cards pricing is pissing me off.
When our $ was at parity, we didn't get it at parity. Now that it's lower, we pay the premium...
But nobody is screwing us, no.
Still pisses me off to see a 120$ difference between the US & Canada price.
Quote from: Grey Fox on November 04, 2014, 02:15:12 PM
Still pisses me off to see a 120$ difference between the US & Canada price.
check deals on Ebay, or wait Black Friday.
Black Friday it is/was.
I'm hoping the 770 go down to the right prices or I'm simply going to wait for the 960.
Black Friday started at noon today on Newegg. Didn't see any significant discounts on video cards, though.
Bought a team Red R9 280. May god have mercy on my soul.
Quote from: Grey Fox on November 27, 2014, 08:10:03 PM
Bought a team Red R9 280. May god have mercy on my soul.
I will. Welcome to the AMD family! ;)
Got a new: eVGA GTX 980 SC ACX 2.0. Best, coolest card I've ever had.
I should upgrade mine soon.
There haven't been any big changes in motherboard slots over the past 3 or 4 years right?
Nope, still PCI Express x16
OK.
So what's the sweet spot in price I'm looking at?
I'm not dirt poor these days so can afford to spend a bit but don't want to be blowing silly money for the best thing out there.
£200ish? Or has inflation pushed things up to £300?
There seem to be an awful lot of types of every model out there...
And even within those types there are varieties- I found one sort of R9 in a black edition and a dd edition with £20 difference between them. What on earth does that mean?
http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu_value.html
Quote from: Tyr on December 02, 2014, 01:40:06 PM
There seem to be an awful lot of types of every model out there...
And even within those types there are varieties- I found one sort of R9 in a black edition and a dd edition with £20 difference between them. What on earth does that mean?
AMD and Nvidia make the chip and provide basic references for it.
Other companies buy the chip and put them on their board. Some are just basic specs as provided by Nvidia/AMD. Others have higher clock ratios, more than one fan, etc.
So check the specks of the card to compare memory clock and gpu clock.
Generally speaking, at similar prices, I tend to prefer MSI TwinFrzr versions of video card, they come equipped with better fans and are clocked a little higher. Though are better varieties out there, too, some have 3 fans and are overclocked substantially by default.
I'd say first, decide if it's AMD or Nvidia. No brand is absolutely better than the other, but generally, AMD offers better prices. Nvidia has the best cards of all though, but you'll need a new mortgage to afford it ;)
Imho, AMD cards offer the best price/performance ratio. 280x or 290x are very good cards that should fit in your budget (don't know about the prices in UK, but check it).
The x70 cards from nVidia are generally very good, and not too pricey. The new GTX 970 is probably the best nVidia card when it comes to value for money.
My problem with AMD is, and will probably continue to be, drivers and cooling. For their lower end of their product line, cooling is much less of a problem, though.
I agree with viper; the fact is that nVidia's graphics cards are expensive. Very expensive. AMD is a better choice that way.
These days, the GeForce GTX 780 Ti is going quite cheap, due to the new 980. That's a lot of graphics card for the money.
Quote from: Norgy on December 02, 2014, 04:48:59 PM
My problem with AMD is, and will probably continue to be, drivers and cooling. For their lower end of their product line, cooling is much less of a problem, though.
cooling wise: default, stock cooling cards are bad. I don't know why AMD doesn't enforce higher standard on this. But there are lots of card manufacturers who invest in this (MSI, Gigabyte among others, in the past, I've seen XFX too).
drivers: I honestly don't see the problems there. If I look at Dragon Age Inquisition, those with Nvidia cards have had driver problems since the beginning. Other games, the problem lies with AMD. I don't see it as a general issue for one card or another, it really varies for each game.
I accept that. I just think in general (with a few exceptions) nVidia deliver better drivers, better software (like GeForce Experience) and better cards.
Then again, my last Radeon or AMD cards on anything beyond my living room media computer were two Sapphire 5870 Toxics that produced more heat and sound together than your average blast furnace. Crossfire also seems more broken than SLI.
The last couple of generations of either nVidia or AMD seem fairly solid no matter what you choose. nVidia were losing the battle badly three-four years ago, but I'd say they've had one hell of a comeback.
Quote from: Norgy on December 03, 2014, 12:24:13 PM
I accept that. I just think in general (with a few exceptions) nVidia deliver better drivers, better software (like GeForce Experience) and better cards.
Gaming Evolved with AMD. Don't know wich one came first. I have a laptop with an Nvidia card, so I have both. Don't see much difference, but Gaming Evolved is recent, about one year, I think.
But Geforce Experience looks better than Gaming Evolved. Don't know how it performs exactly, I don't have many games.
hmm...perhaps a 3rd value needs to be added into the old "Whats the best power for price"- sound.
I'd rather not have something that always sounds like a building site in my room. :P
Is this the kind of thing I should be looking at?
http://www.conrad.ch/ce/de/product/1000295/Grafikkarte-Gigabyte-AMD-Radeon-R9-270X-Windforce-Overclocked-2-GB-GDDR5-RAM-PCIe-x16-DVI-HDMI-DisplayPort?queryFromSuggest=true
:unsure:
The Windforce cooler apparently is quite good. :)
Here are some recommendations from Tom's Hardware:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-card-review,3107-4.html
NCIX is letting me down, my black friday purchase still hasn't showed up. :ultra:
Quote from: Grey Fox on December 10, 2014, 08:30:41 AM
NCIX is letting me down, my black friday purchase still hasn't showed up. :ultra:
me too :(
I only have the memory, not the board and the rest of the stuff :(
Not even shipped.
finally! it shipped!
the two days snowstorm has delayed my other orders, though.
Same! & from ontario. WTF did they do for a whole week.
Quote from: Grey Fox on December 12, 2014, 03:12:37 PM
Same! & from ontario. WTF did they do for a whole week.
they needed it to finish their Dragon Age playthrough ;)
I'm all settled in my new place. Time to have a pop at something.
I think I will go for the R9. Once I've sorted through the million different models.
Current leader: https://www.digitec.ch/en/s1/product/gigabyte-r9-290-windforce-3x-oc-4gb-pci-e-30-4gb-graphics-cards-2455835
Or are there other better makers?
What does the 280/285/290 stand for? Just a model number? Follows a standard bigger is better?
Bigger number, better card.
I'd try and find Sapphire's Vapor-X model. They've been good.
Of course, if you went for a nVidia card, cooling would be much less of an issue. ;)
Quote from: Norgy on January 20, 2015, 02:15:04 PM
Bigger number, better card.
I'd try and find Sapphire's Vapor-X model. They've been good.
Of course, if you went for a nVidia card, cooling would be much less of an issue. ;)
Aren't they worse at everything else though?
Quote from: Tyr on January 20, 2015, 01:23:58 PM
I'm all settled in my new place. Time to have a pop at something.
I think I will go for the R9. Once I've sorted through the million different models.
Current leader: https://www.digitec.ch/en/s1/product/gigabyte-r9-290-windforce-3x-oc-4gb-pci-e-30-4gb-graphics-cards-2455835 (https://www.digitec.ch/en/s1/product/gigabyte-r9-290-windforce-3x-oc-4gb-pci-e-30-4gb-graphics-cards-2455835)
Or are there other better makers?
What does the 280/285/290 stand for? Just a model number? Follows a standard bigger is better?
either this one or a 290x:
link (https://www.digitec.ch/en/s1/product/gigabyte-r9-290-windforce-3x-oc-4gb-pci-e-30-4gb-graphics-cards-2455835), if you find one for a tad lower price elsewhere. There's not much differences between brands in terms of performance, the only thing to watch for are the fans used. In this case, the Windforce is good. MSI Twin FRZR too, and so is Sapphire, the one with 3 fans.
I searched for Sapphire versions.
3 gig is more expensive than that 4 gig one though 2 gig is half the price :hmm:
Whats so good about Sapphire?
Quote from: Tyr on January 24, 2015, 03:53:40 AM
I searched for Sapphire versions.
3 gig is more expensive than that 4 gig one though 2 gig is half the price :hmm:
Whats so good about Sapphire?
I like this one here:
Sapphire Tri-x R9 290x (http://www.sapphiretech.com/presentation/product/?cid=1&gid=3&sgid=1227&pid=2090&psn=&lid=1&leg=0)
Sometimes, you can get it on Ebay for the price of a normal card, otherwise, I wouldn't advise paying a lot more for this one.
What's so special? Well, it comes highly overclocked by default and it has better cooling capacities than other boards, so you still have room for more overclocking.
If you don't plan on overclocking it yourself, than I guess it's a little overkill. But it all comes down to the price you can get it. If it happens to be less expensive than another card, get it, otherwise, take MSI or Gigabyte.
I'm drafting out a new PC build for Princesca and I'm probably going to put a GTX 960 in it for her.
Quote from: Tyr on January 21, 2015, 12:21:04 PM
Quote from: Norgy on January 20, 2015, 02:15:04 PM
Bigger number, better card.
I'd try and find Sapphire's Vapor-X model. They've been good.
Of course, if you went for a nVidia card, cooling would be much less of an issue. ;)
Aren't they worse at everything else though?
Sites like Tom's hardware point to the GTX 970 as the best value-for-money card. The GTX 980 is still fairly pricey. I've been happy with my three last nVidias.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2875740/nvidia-explains-geforce-gtx-970s-memory-performance-issues-admits-error-in-specs.html
:hmm:
I really should pull the trigger on something but...yeah.
Unsure on making myself spend the extra 100, especially with it not being clearly better...it isn't too much considering its my main hobby but still...
The GTX stays cool better (thus is quieter) you say?
The makers I have tried have been Asus. Very cool, easily managed and quiet. eVGA (twice). One with the standard cooler from nVidia, which was cool but made some noise, one with their ACX cooler, which is really quiet and cool. The Twin Frozr versions from MSI do well in tests. I've had only one, but that was a GTX 580. It stayed cool, but used a lot of power.
Any idea on gigabyte?
There's one slightly cheaper than the Asus with slightly better specs...though quiet is good
Currently its
https://www.digitec.ch/en/s1/product/asus-gtx-970-strix-4gb-graphics-cards-2759452
vs
https://www.digitec.ch/en/s1/product/gigabyte-gtx-970-g1-gaming-gm204-4gb-graphics-cards-2759793
Leaning nvidiawards since they seem to be slightly better and most importantly stay cooler.
Going to order on the weekend.
Might get a new monitor too since my 4 year old dealie which doesn't support hdmi is beginning to flicker.
Quote from: Tyr on January 29, 2015, 03:01:31 PM
Any idea on gigabyte?
There's one slightly cheaper than the Asus with slightly better specs...though quiet is good
The Gigabyte Windforce is a good card. I prefer AMD's card, but it's up to you if you want a lying cheating company to be in your computer's backbone :P
Seriously, it's a good card, either Nvidia or AMD. Just compare the specs, maybe the Asus one is already overclocked, but you should easily be able to do that with Nvidia's or AMD's software.
Tyr, I said this back in November, applies to you too.
Quote from: Grey Fox on November 04, 2014, 11:51:57 AM
MSI or the cheapest you can find.
Why MSI? They do have that.
Two models in fact :s
https://www.digitec.ch/en/s1/product/msi-gtx-970-gaming-4g-gm204-4gb-graphics-cards-2763014
https://www.digitec.ch/en/s1/product/msi-gtx-970-oc-gm204-4gb-graphics-cards-3482028
MSI is currently the cream of the crop at manufacturing video cards.
Quote from: Tyr on January 30, 2015, 12:24:05 PM
Why MSI? They do have that.
Two models in fact :s
https://www.digitec.ch/en/s1/product/msi-gtx-970-gaming-4g-gm204-4gb-graphics-cards-2763014
https://www.digitec.ch/en/s1/product/msi-gtx-970-oc-gm204-4gb-graphics-cards-3482028
the regular (1st) one seems to have better fans, the other one (OC) is overclocked by default but seems to have lesser fans, so might be prone to overheating.
I'd go with the first one and overclock it myself by 26mhz.
How can you tell about the fans? :s
I'm leaning towards the overclocked one actually- looking at the inputs it seems to have 2 (more?) hdmi vs 1.
BTW. What are those slots that look like HDMI but they're not? My current card has one too.
Digiport, it handles 4k resolution.
Stay the hell away from reference design on AMD cards. The nVidia one isn't superb either, but far better than AMD's which is something from 2005.
If energy consumption is something to consider, nVidia's cards generally use 80-100 watts less.
I did buy one...msi....turns out it needs a 6 pin and a 8 pin power connector. I do not have. :pinch:
Tomorrow I'll have to make an emergency trip to a computer shop and hope I buy a psu with the right stuff
Quote from: Tyr on February 06, 2015, 12:48:53 PM
I did buy one...msi....turns out it needs a 6 pin and a 8 pin power connector. I do not have. :pinch:
Tomorrow I'll have to make an emergency trip to a computer shop and hope I buy a psu with the right stuff
http://store.antec.com/truepowergold/
or
http://store.antec.com/highcurrentgamer/
Get a modular one. One that's at the very least bronze rated, preferably silver or gold.
Hey, viper, are Antec PSUs good? I've only used Corsair.
I went and bought a new PSU.
The card is big, I wasn't sure it would fit in my decent sized case, thought I would have to raise my motherboard, turned out all OK though.
But guess what.....the freaking thing still refuses to work :ultra:
The fans are moving and it looks like it is working physically but no output is coming through. I have tried it with my monitor (VGA with a DVI adapter) and my TV (HDMI) but nothing coming through either.
I've swapped my old graphics card back in so I know all is fine with my re-wiring and the new PSU.
Any ideas?
A quick google shows some muttering about certain motherboards being incompatible. I bloody well hope not. I just wanted a graphics card update, not a new computer.
When I faced this problem, I took it to where I bought the video card, and they fixed it for free.
Tyr, do you have a processor capable of video?
Tried setting primary display in BIOS?
And checked the card whether it's properly connected. (That happened to me :Embarrass: )
I don't think the place I got it would help much.
Quote from: Norgy on February 08, 2015, 11:13:33 AM
Tyr, do you have a processor capable of video?
Tried setting primary display in BIOS?
And checked the card whether it's properly connected. (That happened to me :Embarrass: )
No idea on processor capable of video, but my motherboard doesn't have on board graphics.
I'm pretty sure it is properly connected, it clicked into place and it is lit up with the fans going.
Would uninstalling all my graphics card drivers work? :unsure:
Quote from: Norgy on February 07, 2015, 05:46:57 PM
Hey, viper, are Antec PSUs good? I've only used Corsair.
As good as Corsair, imho. I've had one for years, still good. :)
Quote from: Tyr on February 08, 2015, 11:19:07 AM
I don't think the place I got it would help much.
Quote from: Norgy on February 08, 2015, 11:13:33 AM
Tyr, do you have a processor capable of video?
Tried setting primary display in BIOS?
And checked the card whether it's properly connected. (That happened to me :Embarrass: )
No idea on processor capable of video, but my motherboard doesn't have on board graphics.
I'm pretty sure it is properly connected, it clicked into place and it is lit up with the fans going.
Would uninstalling all my graphics card drivers work? :unsure:
Do you see the BIOS with the new card?
I see nothing. No output being detected at all
That's just weird.
You need to rule out that you have a bad card. Try it in an another computer.
Well. I would check the monitor for what port it displays from. Try and change primary VGA in BIOS in case of having multiple options there, and set it to PCI Express.
Also, is the card seated right? It needs to be fully snapped into the slot.
Do you have the PCI_E connectors connected from the PSU?
Try DVI, HDMI and even digiport. Something's bound to just be set wrong enough for you not to get an image.
Is the card from a different chip maker than your previous one? If so, uninstall all third-party software.
I don't have another computer to be able to test it with.
I will have a look in bios and see if anything is there though I hope it won't mess up things with my current card, I will need to turn off my computer and swap them.
Unless.... Would it be feasible to have them both in at once just to set up my new one then pull out the old? Or does that only work with cards of the same model?
My old one is amd, new one nvidia. What so do you mean by third party software exactly? Surely not wipe my computer?
You have another one, the one you use at work.
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 09, 2015, 12:16:54 PM
You have another one, the one you use at work.
It's a laptop alas.
(Do any work places give people desktops these days?)
Damn, ask the IT guys?
Mine still give desktop. Laptops are pretty rare. They are huge security risk + we are in the PCI board making business.
Quote from: Tyr on February 09, 2015, 11:51:07 AM
I don't have another computer to be able to test it with.
I will have a look in bios and see if anything is there though I hope it won't mess up things with my current card, I will need to turn off my computer and swap them.
Unless.... Would it be feasible to have them both in at once just to set up my new one then pull out the old? Or does that only work with cards of the same model?
My old one is amd, new one nvidia. What so do you mean by third party software exactly? Surely not wipe my computer?
For Christ's sake, no, don't put them both in at the same time! And don't just turn the computer off, remove the power chord for the time being when installing new hardware.
No, I suggest uninstalling the drivers. And do download the latest nVidia ones for the card you have bought, together with the GeForce Experience package.
I've discovered a bios update for my graphics card that will run under windows, saves some fuss. Hope it has some effect.
Will try completely uninstalling my drivers for this graphics card too- why would this be messing things up?
If all else fails I guess I will have to try assembling my computer on my desk, just to make absolutely 100% sure the card has fit right- it is a bit big but it fits.
Fuck fuckity fuck fuck fuck.
I updated my mb bios and uninstalled my current card's drivers but it didn't work. Computer looks powered up, all the fans are going and lights are on, but no start up beeps, hd isn't spinning, etc...
I've tried everything but assembling it on my desk- I'm pretty sure I had it in the slot right so don't think this would help much. Will only try as a last resort
The only two possibilities remaining:
1: The card is a dud (oh please let it be so). I'm going to contact where I got it.
2: It is incompatible with my mb.... In which case oh shit. I just wanted to update my graphics card, not get an entire new computer.
That doesn't happen nowadays, incompatible motherboard.
What's your motherboard?
ASRock M3A770DE.
Thats good if so...
I wonder, what are these two slots on top of the card (one with the cap still on, one with it removed)?
SLI connector
I told you to buy an AMD card, did you listen to me? No? :blurgh:
:D
Seriously, the board is PCI-E 2.0 16x, so it's compatible with any video card that is PCI-E 16x, wich means any new card you buy today. The card itself is PCI-E 3.0, but it's supposed to work in a 2.0 slot (and a 2.0 card would work in a 3.0 slot too).
However, your board does not support SLI (Nvidia), only Crossfire (AMD), wich means you can not add a second card.
Now, here's a guide on how to upgrade your card, maybe it will help:
http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/how-to/pc-upgrades/3470162/how-upgrade-your-graphics-card/
Also a video detailling the installation of a 970 GTX:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVDY-ICNebQ
I'm ruling out MB and VC compatibility, PCI-E 2.0 boards and PCI-E 3.0 cards are compatible (and vice-versa).
If it works with the old card, then it's not a problem with the board or the bios.
Make sure it is correctly installed, make sure you plugged the right cables and make sure your PSU has sufficient power for all your devices:
http://www.extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp
Well, I took it back to the shop and got a replacement. I feared the worst but it worked straight away. Seems I was just unlucky with the last one being a dud.