:o :o :o :o :o
No idea if the game will be any good but the video is amazing. Make sure to watch it in full screen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BjJaAA5A7w&eurl
Tainted.
Okay, WTF is this Matrix looking shit? :bleeding:
Quote from: Jaron on June 13, 2009, 05:15:43 PM
Okay, WTF is this Matrix looking shit? :bleeding:
Don't be such an old woman.
I'm not. Come on, the Matrix was like..what, 10 years ago or something? And people are still trying to rip off their cheap effects like it has any place in Star Wars.
LAME!!!
Lets hope the game is better than the trailer :P
To quote the Darth: "Impressive. Most impressive".
Come on, Jaron... what would you choose, fast continuously moving scenes in which you can't see a damned thing, or Matrix-like scenes in which you actually can understand what's happening?
Neil will make sure it's a great game.
Quote from: Grey Fox on June 13, 2009, 06:02:55 PM
Neil will make sure it's a great game.
What does he have to do with it?
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 13, 2009, 06:07:25 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on June 13, 2009, 06:02:55 PM
Neil will make sure it's a great game.
What does he have to do with it?
He's god. (he works/ed for Bioware)
Quote from: Alatriste on June 13, 2009, 05:45:49 PM
To quote the Darth: "Impressive. Most impressive".
Come on, Jaron... what would you choose, fast continuously moving scenes in which you can't see a damned thing, or Matrix-like scenes in which you actually can understand what's happening?
If they can do it in the movie, they can do it in the trailer for a game. :P
I thought it was that he had a friend who works for Bioware or something. :huh:
Just watched the vid.... Tim, you realize that if this is what the graphics will actually look like, the game's gonna crash and burn, right?
Very few people are going to have rigs that can produce smooth gfx that'll look like that, and an MMO depends on having large numbers of people who can play it.
One of the many reasons Age of Conan failed is because most people couldn't get decent framerates with the (admittedly very nice) graphics.
Anyway, WoW has trailers that look uber-ossum but the real graphics are shite in comparison.
I dont think anyone was suggesting this was in game footage. :P
Quote from: Jaron on June 13, 2009, 06:26:34 PM
I dont think anyone was suggesting this was in game footage. :P
Well Tim posted the thread, and young Tim needs alot of hand-holding. :)
:yes: True, very true.
This will be a disappointment like KOTOR2. I predict fail on an Epic level with a 30% chance of Suck.
I predict that Wag's spitefulness will cause him to develop an ulcer. :(
Watched the trailer, still have no idea what kind of game they are supposed to be showing off.
It's being done in Austin. Almost nobody in the Edmonton studio is involved.
Personally, I don't have much hope. They've done some interesting stuff, but ultimately a Star Wars MMORPG suffers from the fact that everyone will play a Jedi or a Sith. And although they're doing some work to mitigate the total lack of story in a MMORPG, ultimately you can't tell a compelling story in the genre.
Quote from: garbon on June 13, 2009, 09:09:16 PM
I predict that Wag's spitefulness will cause him to develop an ulcer. :(
:( I don't think there's room for another under all the scar tissue.
How am I being spiteful? It looks cool. But I don't see it going anywhere.
Quote from: Jaron on June 13, 2009, 05:39:49 PM
I'm not. Come on, the Matrix was like..what, 10 years ago or something? And people are still trying to rip off their cheap effects like it has any place in Star Wars.
LAME!!!
:rolleyes: I enjoyed that trailer more than the entire prequel trilogy.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 13, 2009, 10:56:55 PM
Quote from: Jaron on June 13, 2009, 05:39:49 PM
I'm not. Come on, the Matrix was like..what, 10 years ago or something? And people are still trying to rip off their cheap effects like it has any place in Star Wars.
LAME!!!
:rolleyes: I enjoyed that trailer more than the entire prequel trilogy.
Yeah, you also enjoy anime so that doesn't count for much. :P
Quote from: Neil on June 13, 2009, 09:28:31 PMPersonally, I don't have much hope. They've done some interesting stuff, but ultimately a Star Wars MMORPG suffers from the fact that everyone will play a Jedi or a Sith. And although they're doing some work to mitigate the total lack of story in a MMORPG, ultimately you can't tell a compelling story in the genre.
Well, LotRO shows how to put a story into an MMO (with their Epic Quest Line), so I think the devs have an example how to do it. Yes, everyone wants to be a jedi, which is one of the reasons why Star Wars Galaxies failed so badly. Moving into the Old Republic era which is still (reasonably) fresh is a good idea. From looking at the site they'll take WoW's two factioon approach, too - sith and jedi. Four classes for each side doesn't look like much, but as said - most people will want to play a jedi/sith; next in line will be bounty hunters. Soldiers? Heh. Personally, I would have favored a system where you choose a type of jedi (tank, healer, dps ...) as class, with maybe bounty hunters as a 4th or 5th class.
I'll be surprised if you can do half of the things shown in the trailer in the actual game.
Quote from: Solmyr on June 14, 2009, 08:46:37 AM
I'll be surprised if you can do half of the things shown in the trailer in the actual game.
Well, it will probably have as much relation to the actual game graphics or gameplay as the old WoW trailer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGvzz-CtKv0
Quote from: Syt on June 14, 2009, 11:09:53 AM
Well, it will probably have as much relation to the actual game graphics or gameplay as the old WoW trailer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGvzz-CtKv0
Which is why I hate trailers like this. They give you no idea what the game is actually like.
Quote from: Neil on June 13, 2009, 09:28:31 PM
It's being done in Austin. Almost nobody in the Edmonton studio is involved.
Personally, I don't have much hope. They've done some interesting stuff, but ultimately a Star Wars MMORPG suffers from the fact that everyone will play a Jedi or a Sith. And although they're doing some work to mitigate the total lack of story in a MMORPG, ultimately you can't tell a compelling story in the genre.+
Anyone can play a Jedi or a Sith. This is not the same BS as in SWG. However, from what I see in their forums BHs seem to be very in demand as well.
My biggest gripe, however, is diverging affiliation from faction. I can see an argument for DS force-users in the Republic, yeah sure fallen Jedi and all that shit. But LS force-users working for the Sith Empire?! WTF?! How can there be LS Siths in an Evil Empire founded on Sith codes and beliefs, with a Sith Academy making its best to make sure every Sith force-user is deep into the DS? I mean, what LS-user can survive on Korriban for more than a day without falling to the DS?! :huh:
And don't start me on the whole "Gray Jedi" bullshit... :bleeding:
I've already decided that I would play a VERY DS Sith Lord, and I will hunt down all these Gray, LS wannabees inside the Sith. There is no place in the Sith Empire for goody-goody two shoes, and I will make sure that each of them are destroyed until it becomes very unhealthy for someone not DS to live in Sith space. :menace:
What impresses me the most. however, is the fact that they want to introduce hundreds of hours of storyline for each class AND each faction, with voiceovers for both NPCs and PCs, and not one line reused for another class or faction. I can't wait to see how it will develop. In their words it is to be KOTOR 3,4,5, until ad infinitum online. :)
I'll play the Empire, Sith or something else. I'll kill everyone all the time.
A general star wars question here. Powerful Sith can use force lightning but I don't think I've ever seen a Jedi Knight use it. Is there an ability that a powerful Jedi can use that a Sith lord can't?
Quote from: Grey Fox on June 13, 2009, 06:02:55 PM
Neil will make sure it's a great game.
The team making it is in Austin. I will be there to personally ensure Bioware Austin comes through.
I am probably going to get this game.
Quote from: Valmy on June 14, 2009, 10:57:49 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on June 13, 2009, 06:02:55 PM
Neil will make sure it's a great game.
The team making it is in Austin. I will be there to personally ensure Bioware Austin comes through.
It is a MMORPG. It cannot help but be a failure. It's also the reason that EA bought Bioware.
Quote from: Neil on June 13, 2009, 09:28:31 PM
ultimately a Star Wars MMORPG suffers from the fact that everyone will play a Jedi or a Sith.
Quite untrue, considering SWG.
I will make bread.
it's an OK trailer as trailers go, I guess.
I logged into free civony a few weeks ago. I was looking at the interface etc., wondering what to do, but the teamspeak chatter that immediately began flowing on my screen pretty much killed any desire I had to try that massively multiplayer experience. I think I lasted 30 seconds.
bread is good.
OGM! My pleats are a drunken facsimile!
Quote from: Martinus on June 15, 2009, 09:04:04 AM
Quote from: Neil on June 13, 2009, 09:28:31 PM
ultimately a Star Wars MMORPG suffers from the fact that everyone will play a Jedi or a Sith.
Quite untrue, considering SWG.
Galaxies was skewed by the way that Jedi were introduced into the game.
Quote from: Neil on June 15, 2009, 09:46:38 AM
Galaxies was skewed by the way that Jedi were introduced into the game.
.... which was done because of the whiny "IWANNABEAJEDI!!!" crowd.
I think the «Sith Lords have mechanical implants» device has been overused now...
Looks quite good. Noticed this a while ago. I might get it.
Wait, "mechanical implants"? Are those what I think they are?
I think having all Jedi/Sith could work. When people played SWG they were thinking of the Han Solos and Chewbaccas of the galaxy. If this is more inspired by Knights of the Old Republic, that series already put non force users on the back burner.
They already have some classifications of different types of force users too. I hope they don't go the WoW route with tank, damage, healer, but ultimately I think something like that will emerge.
Quote from: Jaron on June 15, 2009, 12:31:10 PM
I hope they don't go the WoW route with tank, damage, healer, but ultimately I think something like that will emerge.
:lmfao:
Kids these days.
They'll do that tho, wether its called the WoW, EQ or Ultima route.
Quote from: Berkut on June 15, 2009, 01:00:22 PM
Quote from: Jaron on June 15, 2009, 12:31:10 PM
I hope they don't go the WoW route with tank, damage, healer, but ultimately I think something like that will emerge.
:lmfao:
Kids these days.
Sorry. :D
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 14, 2009, 10:49:12 PM
A general star wars question here. Powerful Sith can use force lightning but I don't think I've ever seen a Jedi Knight use it. Is there an ability that a powerful Jedi can use that a Sith lord can't?
Yes -- Awful, cringe-worthy dialogue.
Sith lords can try to use it, but they just don't get enough screen time to be truly effective.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 14, 2009, 10:49:12 PM
A general star wars question here. Powerful Sith can use force lightning but I don't think I've ever seen a Jedi Knight use it. Is there an ability that a powerful Jedi can use that a Sith lord can't?
From the movies? None explicitely, although we see Yoda absorb Palpatine's Force Lightning with his two hands. That said:
Obi-Wan gesturing to manipulate a stormtrooper in ANH seems also to be LS only.
Force Ghost seems to be Jedi-only, at least from the movies, although in KoToR the hero gets to meet the Force Ghost of Ajunta Pall inside his tomb on Korriban.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on June 15, 2009, 02:30:26 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 14, 2009, 10:49:12 PM
A general star wars question here. Powerful Sith can use force lightning but I don't think I've ever seen a Jedi Knight use it. Is there an ability that a powerful Jedi can use that a Sith lord can't?
Yes -- Awful, cringe-worthy dialogue.
Sith lords can try to use it, but they just don't get enough screen time to be truly effective.
Poor, poor Alec Guinness :(
Quote from: Sheilbh on June 15, 2009, 08:19:27 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on June 15, 2009, 02:30:26 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 14, 2009, 10:49:12 PM
A general star wars question here. Powerful Sith can use force lightning but I don't think I've ever seen a Jedi Knight use it. Is there an ability that a powerful Jedi can use that a Sith lord can't?
Yes -- Awful, cringe-worthy dialogue.
Sith lords can try to use it, but they just don't get enough screen time to be truly effective.
Poor, poor Alec Guinness :(
With 2% of ANH's profits on his contract sign-up, Sir Alec was far from poor after SW. In fact, it allowed him to cherrypick his future roles without fearing poverty. :thumbsup:
In fact, he is one of the few who thought that SW would become a blockbuster success, hence the 2% clause. What depressed him was the nerdage fanbase who would remember him only for Obi-Wan and who would relentlessly hound him.
Quote from: Drakken on June 15, 2009, 09:14:48 PM
With 2% of ANH's profits on his contract sign-up, Sir Alec was far from poor after SW. In fact, it allowed him to cherrypick his future roles without fearing poverty. :thumbsup:
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Froflrazzi.files.wordpress.com%2F2009%2F03%2Fcelebrity-pictures-ford-hamill-career-continue.jpg&hash=9cb4f6feeeb45c0ff500c6f631e9230c4a07c1c2)
Quote from: Sheilbh on June 15, 2009, 08:19:27 PM
Poor, poor Alec Guinness :(
Really though - that's what classic, Shakespearean Brit actors are for. Give them the worst dialogue written and they can still say it with conviction. Patrick Stewart made a living out of that for years. Ian McKellan just figured out the money to made in that racket a little more recently.
Quote from: Berkut on June 15, 2009, 01:00:22 PM
Quote from: Jaron on June 15, 2009, 12:31:10 PM
I hope they don't go the WoW route with tank, damage, healer, but ultimately I think something like that will emerge.
:lmfao:
Kids these days.
:P
The concern is spot on, though. These games have become so formulaic now. They box you into a role so you're both able to complement other players' characters and also dependent on them as well. The problem is that limits your freedom to explore and do what you want. So you get tired of it. Then they have to write seventy bazillion quests to keep you occupied. In the end, it's like a train. You can control how fast or slow it goes, but you can only go where the tracks lead.
The differences between the major MMOs now are mostly just cosmetic.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 14, 2009, 10:49:12 PM
A general star wars question here. Powerful Sith can use force lightning but I don't think I've ever seen a Jedi Knight use it. Is there an ability that a powerful Jedi can use that a Sith lord can't?
Healing.
And Jedi are not incapable of using force ligthning, but they chose no to kill with the Force.
Quote from: Drakken on June 15, 2009, 03:11:58 PM
From the movies? None explicitely, although we see Yoda absorb Palpatine's Force Lightning with his two hands. That said:
Obi-Wan gesturing to manipulate a stormtrooper in ANH seems also to be LS only.
Force Ghost seems to be Jedi-only, at least from the movies, although in KoToR the hero gets to meet the Force Ghost of Ajunta Pall inside his tomb on Korriban.
Darth Vader absorbed the blaster shot with his hand.
And manipulating the mind can be done for anyone with the Force. Just look at Palpatine from the movies.
Jedi choose to be the secret police of the Republic, using their mind tricks to oppress the citizenry.
They ain't that innocent.
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 16, 2009, 02:42:27 PM
Jedi choose to be the secret police of the Republic, using their mind tricks to oppress the citizenry.
They ain't that innocent.
They are the Republic's high priests, and guard that position jealously. :(
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on June 16, 2009, 03:11:41 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 16, 2009, 02:42:27 PM
Jedi choose to be the secret police of the Republic, using their mind tricks to oppress the citizenry.
They ain't that innocent.
They are the Republic's high priests, and guard that position jealously. :(
The hammer of the proletariat shall smash their oppression.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on June 16, 2009, 09:25:11 AM
Quote from: Sheilbh on June 15, 2009, 08:19:27 PM
Poor, poor Alec Guinness :(
Really though - that's what classic, Shakespearean Brit actors are for. Give them the worst dialogue written and they can still say it with conviction. Patrick Stewart made a living out of that for years. Ian McKellan just figured out the money to made in that racket a little more recently.
That's true :mellow:
Quote from: Sheilbh on June 16, 2009, 05:28:00 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on June 16, 2009, 09:25:11 AM
Quote from: Sheilbh on June 15, 2009, 08:19:27 PM
Poor, poor Alec Guinness :(
Really though - that's what classic, Shakespearean Brit actors are for. Give them the worst dialogue written and they can still say it with conviction. Patrick Stewart made a living out of that for years. Ian McKellan just figured out the money to made in that racket a little more recently.
That's true :mellow:
I don't see how you can feel bad for him.
Quote from: viper37 on June 16, 2009, 02:39:42 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 14, 2009, 10:49:12 PM
A general star wars question here. Powerful Sith can use force lightning but I don't think I've ever seen a Jedi Knight use it. Is there an ability that a powerful Jedi can use that a Sith lord can't?
Healing.
And Jedi are not incapable of using force ligthning, but they chose no to kill with the Force.
That's bullshit, what's the moral difference between using a lightsaber to kill someone and using force lightning? After all only someone skilled in the use of the force can use a lightsaber correctly.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force_powers
Well, it is pretty clear that you either have to go with lots of Jedi, so everyone can be one, or no Jedi. Apparently they learned from SWG that no Jedi is no deal, so I guess it has to be this way.
As long as they are not too slavish to canon, it could still work. If the MMO is "typical", there are some roles that a Jedi may not be great at, like ranged DPS and tank, leaving room for the need for some other classes.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 16, 2009, 08:04:35 PM
Quote from: viper37 on June 16, 2009, 02:39:42 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 14, 2009, 10:49:12 PM
A general star wars question here. Powerful Sith can use force lightning but I don't think I've ever seen a Jedi Knight use it. Is there an ability that a powerful Jedi can use that a Sith lord can't?
Healing.
And Jedi are not incapable of using force ligthning, but they chose no to kill with the Force.
That's bullshit, what's the moral difference between using a lightsaber to kill someone and using force lightning? After all only someone skilled in the use of the force can use a lightsaber correctly.
Yoda says that a Jedi can never use the force directly for an attack. Thus, only two characters have ever used force lightning, and both of them were Sith.
But Yoda may be the most consitent failure ever seen in a movie. How that little shit could hang out with a Sith Lord for years without noticing is rather beyond me. He may be the worst Jedi Master ever.
Quote from: Berkut on June 17, 2009, 08:52:37 AM
But Yoda may be the most consitent failure ever seen in a movie. How that little shit could hang out with a Sith Lord for years without noticing is rather beyond me. He may be the worst Jedi Master ever.
To be fair, nobody noticed. The Emperor was sneaky as fuck, had the ability to mask his evil presence, and was more powerful than any Jedi.
Can you give me an example of a Jedi master that wasn't terrible?
All jedis are whiney-assed bitches, and thus should only be played by emo teens in this game.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 16, 2009, 08:04:35 PM
That's bullshit, what's the moral difference between using a lightsaber to kill someone and using force lightning? After all only someone skilled in the use of the force can use a lightsaber correctly.
Force Lightning is really only useful agaisnt a non-jedi opponent or an apprentice weaker than the master.
As we've seen with Yoda and Obi-wan, a fully trained Jedi can easily absorb the lightning with his hands or his lightsaber.
So in essence, it's use is against non-Force aware people, and it's use is a sign that you use your power to dominate other people, wich in essence is what leads to the dark side. Jedis don't use their powers that way, and they usually don't attack first against sentient beings, they defend themselves.
And if you want to know more about Jedi philosophy and all the boring stuff, read the Star Wars books, in particular those concerning the Yuuzhan Vong invasion of the galaxy. There are some boring books in the series wich deal almost entirely with that...
The Jedi failed the moment they neglected to assume control over the banking and media sectors. And over-reliance on invisible magical forces to move things around really saps manufacturing expertise and know-how over the long run.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on June 17, 2009, 10:52:07 AM
The Jedi failed the moment they neglected to assume control over the banking and media sectors. And over-reliance on invisible magical forces to move things around really saps manufacturing expertise and know-how over the long run.
I'm not sure how important the media sector was in the Galactic Republic. The people and public opinion didn't seem to be a very important force in galactic government. Also, given the nature of commerce in the Republic, pretty much the only way that the Jedi would have been able to consolidate the banking industry under their control is by force. And as we saw, a Jedi might be hot shit in a small brawl, but they can't stand up to an opposing army.
From the movies it doesn't look like the Senate represents the Republic, they just fight territorial disputes for their home systems. The 'Republic' is more a confederation of semi-independent states than a true united nation. The Jedi's role was to provide some of the glue to hold that mess together. Instead they became some unholy mix of space hippies and monks.
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on June 17, 2009, 11:29:48 AM
From the movies it doesn't look like the Senate represents the Republic, they just fight territorial disputes for their home systems. The 'Republic' is more a confederation of semi-independent states than a true united nation. The Jedi's role was to provide some of the glue to hold that mess together. Instead they became some unholy mix of space hippies and monks.
It seems that there was some level of overarching authority, at least in the person of the Supreme Chancellor. But yeah, given that a tiny, insignificant planet like Naboo, a powerful interstellar state like Alderaan and a large, powerful Trade Federation can all rate a single senator, you're probably right in that representation was on a sub-state basis.
Actually, the Empire was probably the best thing that ever happened to the Republic. It really seemed to be a rather disorderly and terrible place. Hopefully the Empire's reforms will turn out to be lasting.
Quote from: Neil on June 17, 2009, 11:38:35 AM
It seems that there was some level of overarching authority, at least in the person of the Supreme Chancellor. But yeah, given that a tiny, insignificant planet like Naboo, a powerful interstellar state like Alderaan and a large, powerful Trade Federation can all rate a single senator, you're probably right in that representation was on a sub-state basis.
I'm still not clear if it's one planet - one senator or one system - one senator.
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Actually, the Empire was probably the best thing that ever happened to the Republic. It really seemed to be a rather disorderly and terrible place. Hopefully the Empire's reforms will turn out to be lasting.
Before Palpatine started to fuck up things, really, there was no need for a truly united Republic. But yeah, that whole thing about the Republic not having an army is kinda like the UN and the Jedi as the Blue-Helmet peacekeepers with limited firepower at their disposal, again, except during the crisis.
Quote from: viper37 on June 17, 2009, 03:09:12 PM
Quote from: Neil on June 17, 2009, 11:38:35 AM
It seems that there was some level of overarching authority, at least in the person of the Supreme Chancellor. But yeah, given that a tiny, insignificant planet like Naboo, a powerful interstellar state like Alderaan and a large, powerful Trade Federation can all rate a single senator, you're probably right in that representation was on a sub-state basis.
I'm still not clear if it's one planet - one senator or one system - one senator.
Perhaps, but we have a pretty good indication that it's neither.
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Actually, the Empire was probably the best thing that ever happened to the Republic. It really seemed to be a rather disorderly and terrible place. Hopefully the Empire's reforms will turn out to be lasting.
Before Palpatine started to fuck up things, really, there was no need for a truly united Republic. But yeah, that whole thing about the Republic not having an army is kinda like the UN and the Jedi as the Blue-Helmet peacekeepers with limited firepower at their disposal, again, except during the crisis.
I don't know. The Republic seemed to have fairly regular crises caused by its inability to effectively control its territory and to allow for safe commerce and travel in the galaxy.
Quote from: Neil on June 17, 2009, 09:11:39 AM
Can you give me an example of a Jedi master that wasn't terrible?
Qui-Gon Jinn, Dooku.
Mace Windu was kicking ass till that pansy emo Anakin stepped in.
The death of Qui-Gon Jinn is/was what started the down fall. Obi-wan wasn't ready.
Funningly enough, I've been having the same argument with at co-worker these past couple of days. Even compared the Republic & Jedis to Iran.
Quote from: Judas Iscariot on June 17, 2009, 06:37:27 PM
Quote from: Neil on June 17, 2009, 09:11:39 AM
Can you give me an example of a Jedi master that wasn't terrible?
Qui-Gon Jinn, Dooku.
Qui-Gon got bitchslapped by the wussy Darth Maul. Dooku became Tyrannus, and thus had problems as a Jedi.
Quote from: katmai on June 17, 2009, 07:04:29 PM
Mace Windu was kicking ass till that pansy emo Anakin stepped in.
Palpatine was laying down for him. The whole point of that little act was to get Anakin to cross the point of no return. As he said, he has 'unlimited power'. As soon as Anakin had fully betrayed the Jedi, the intensity of Palpatine's lightning increased manyfold, which tells me that he could have killed Windu at any time.
Quote from: Grey Fox on June 17, 2009, 07:07:09 PM
The death of Qui-Gon Jinn is/was what started the down fall. Obi-wan wasn't ready.
The Republic was terrible before Qui-Gon died.
The Republic was always terrible.
Quote from: Neil on June 17, 2009, 07:26:23 PM
Quote from: Judas Iscariot on June 17, 2009, 06:37:27 PM
Quote from: Neil on June 17, 2009, 09:11:39 AM
Can you give me an example of a Jedi master that wasn't terrible?
Qui-Gon Jinn, Dooku.
Qui-Gon got bitchslapped by the wussy Darth Maul.
That was an amazing lightsaber battle.
Quote from: Neil on June 17, 2009, 07:30:58 PM
The Republic was terrible before Qui-Gon died.
Right, but Qui-Gon and Dooku saw that corruption and epic Jedi failure and wanted to make steps to improve it and the Republic as a whole. Alas, Qui-Gon was killed and Dooku bet on his ability to work the sith to his own ends which backfired and dragged him down and eventually left him as bait to taunt Anakin.