This is from Huffington Post, so take it with a grain of salt or four, but I'm not actually surprised by this. I wondered how long it would be before something like this came up.
QuoteA bipartisan resolution written to honor Pope Francis for his work towards social justice appears to be mired in Congress, reportedly due to his reputation among Republicans as being "too liberal," according to The Hill. The pope is expected to visit the United States in 2015 for the Catholic Church's World Meeting of Families, which will be held in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
House of Representatives Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio), a Catholic, warmly invited Pope Francis to address Congress in a statement made in March 2014. However, House Resolution 440, which recognizes the pope's "inspirational statements and actions" and congratulates him on his election, was referred to the House Foreign Affairs Committee in December 2013 and has been languishing there ever since.
Out of the 221 co-sponsors of the resolution, a mere 19 are GOP members. A Republican supporter of the bill told The Hill that the lack of enthusiasm could be due to the belief that the pope is "too liberal," a perception drawn largely from his criticism of unfettered capitalism and trickle-down economics as well as his calls for a more equal distribution of wealth.
The Republican source told The Hill that some GOP members think Pope Francis is "sounding like [President] Obama. [The pope] talks about equality — he actually used the term 'trickle-down economics,' which is politically charged."
With the clock ticking on the legislative calendar, the writers of the resolution, Reps. John Larson (D-Connecticut) and Pete King (R-New York), sent a letter to Boehner on Friday to ask him to put it to a vote.
"To my knowledge this would be an historic first. I ask that you take a look at a bipartisan resolution introduced by Representative Peter King and myself, acknowledging the first Pope from the Americas ... it is my sincere hope that you will consider this resolution for the suspension calendar for a vote," Larson wrote in the letter obtained by The Hill.
Boehner's March invitation to the pope said in part:
QuoteHis tireless call for the protection of the most vulnerable among us—the ailing, the disadvantaged, the unemployed, the impoverished, the unborn—has awakened hearts on every continent.
His social teachings, rooted in 'the joy of the gospel,' have prompted careful reflection and vigorous dialogue among people of all ideologies and religious views in the United States and throughout a rapidly changing world, particularly among those who champion human dignity, freedom, and social justice.
These principles are among the fundamentals of the American Idea. And though our nation sometimes fails to live up to these principles, at our best we give them new life as we seek the common good. Many in the United States believe these principles are undermined by 'crony capitalism' and the ongoing centralization of political power in the institutions of our federal government, which threaten to disrupt the delicate balance between the twin virtues of subsidiarity and solidarity.
According to The Hill, the resolution's supporters see it as a more formal acknowledgment of Pope Francis that goes beyond the open invitation originally extended. "The Speaker's invited him to speak, it would give it more significance if there was an actual official resolution about it," said King.
The GOP was never that keen on Catholics in the first place. You should see some of the shit they put out in 1928.
The GOP doesn't like the Anti-Christ? :huh:
Quote from: Razgovory on August 04, 2014, 02:57:20 PM
The GOP was never that keen on Catholics in the first place. You should see some of the shit they put out in 1928.
:rolleyes: There you go bringing up 1928 again.
I am pretty sure the current GOP regards 1928 as the key year the modern conservatism was...oh wait that was 1964? Nevermind.
He is too liberal for the GOP.
He's the first Christian church leader that I've heard espousing to actually live as Jesus suggested. So the fact that there are a lot of hard-line "Christian" conservatives who balk at the idea of honoring him is funny.
derspeiss, what's your family's thoughts on this? The wife is Catholic, as I recall?
Quote from: Razgovory on August 04, 2014, 02:57:20 PM
The GOP was never that keen on Catholics in the first place. You should see some of the shit they put out in 1928 1960.
Congress should really just keep out of this.
Non binding resolutions are pointless and silly to begin with and should be kept to a minimum.
Either the Pope can be viewed as a leader of a particular religious group, in which case Congress really shouldn't be conferring endorsements, or his is a leader of a foreign state (Vatican) in which case this is starting to infringe into the usual purview of the Executive.
Talking about what Jesus intended is sort of pointless because whatever the historical Jesus taught or thought, he wasn't thinking about what people 2000 years in the future in a global technological society would be doing. He didn't intend to found an permanent enduring bureaucracy; the general consensus among the historians who have looked at the issue is that he thought and taught that the "end of the world" in some sense was nigh.
Jesus intended us to laugh so he gave us Wings.
Quote from: merithyn on August 04, 2014, 03:43:27 PM
derspeiss, what's your family's thoughts on this? The wife is Catholic, as I recall?
My lovely wife is a non-practicing Catholic. She was pretty proud of the fact that an Argentine dude got to be pope but hasn't paid much attention since. For my in-laws and Argie friends it's something they remain proud of, but they aren't necessarily hanging on every word he says as are his other supporters (and detractors).
She's not big on discussing religious or political issues but if you had to drag it out of her she'd probably not be too fond of the social justice thing in terms of government policy. As little regard as she has for politics, she's pretty hardcore libertarian on most items.
As for me I'm still mostly positive on Francis. He seems like a genuinely nice guy and humble almost to a fault. I disagree with his criticism of capitalism but he's not saying anything other popes haven't said before. I don't think there's much to be gained by badmouthing him.
Quote from: Valmy on August 04, 2014, 03:20:05 PM
I am pretty sure the current GOP regards 1928 as the key year the modern conservatism was...oh wait that was 1964? Nevermind.
Last President before the New Deal? Yep I think that might fit.
Quote from: derspiess on August 04, 2014, 04:04:49 PM
She's not big on discussing religious or political issues but if you had to drag it out of her she'd probably not be too fond of the social justice thing in terms of government policy. As little regard as she has for politics, she's pretty hardcore libertarian on most items.
So she's a fascist?
Quote from: Razgovory on August 04, 2014, 04:28:19 PM
So she's a fascist?
Yes, but only a closeted one because the federal government had gone after fascism. Or something.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on August 04, 2014, 03:56:39 PM
Congress should really just keep out of this.
Non binding resolutions are pointless and silly to begin with and should be kept to a minimum.
Either the Pope can be viewed as a leader of a particular religious group, in which case Congress really shouldn't be conferring endorsements, or his is a leader of a foreign state (Vatican) in which case this is starting to infringe into the usual purview of the Executive.
Talking about what Jesus intended is sort of pointless because whatever the historical Jesus taught or thought, he wasn't thinking about what people 2000 years in the future in a global technological society would be doing. He didn't intend to found an permanent enduring bureaucracy; the general consensus among the historians who have looked at the issue is that he thought and taught that the "end of the world" in some sense was nigh.
I don't think we need a Christkiller's opinion on Christ, thanks.
Quote from: derspiess on August 04, 2014, 04:04:49 PM
As for me I'm still mostly positive on Francis. He seems like a genuinely nice guy and humble almost to a fault. I disagree with his criticism of capitalism but he's not saying anything other popes haven't said before. I don't think there's much to be gained by badmouthing him.
I had my doubts about his sincerity in the beginning, but those have mostly been put to rest. I am also mostly positive about him, but I'll wait for concrete results before I conclude that he's actually making a difference. He certainly sounds like he wants to make a real difference, though, so I no longer view him as mouthing platitudes.
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on August 04, 2014, 05:59:53 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on August 04, 2014, 03:56:39 PM
Congress should really just keep out of this.
Non binding resolutions are pointless and silly to begin with and should be kept to a minimum.
Either the Pope can be viewed as a leader of a particular religious group, in which case Congress really shouldn't be conferring endorsements, or his is a leader of a foreign state (Vatican) in which case this is starting to infringe into the usual purview of the Executive.
Talking about what Jesus intended is sort of pointless because whatever the historical Jesus taught or thought, he wasn't thinking about what people 2000 years in the future in a global technological society would be doing. He didn't intend to found an permanent enduring bureaucracy; the general consensus among the historians who have looked at the issue is that he thought and taught that the "end of the world" in some sense was nigh.
I don't think we need a Christkiller's opinion on Christ, thanks.
That was great, Brain! :lol:
How did you figure out Otto's password?
I like Pope Francis, but I like Bob Tilton better. Much funnier.
http://youtu.be/XVjSui1Kuck (http://youtu.be/XVjSui1Kuck)
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on August 04, 2014, 05:59:53 PM
I don't think we need a Christkiller's opinion on Christ, thanks.
Makes sense. Good thing then I don't do opinions, just the facts. :)
One thing about Francis - he seems to be doing a very effective job of reforming the bureaucracy and cutting out wasteful expenditure. As a leader of the sovereign Vatican state, he is off to a very impressive start. The doctrinal stuff of course is really none of my concern.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on August 04, 2014, 03:56:39 PM
Congress should really just keep out of this.
Non binding resolutions are pointless and silly to begin with and should be kept to a minimum.
Either the Pope can be viewed as a leader of a particular religious group, in which case Congress really shouldn't be conferring endorsements, or his is a leader of a foreign state (Vatican) in which case this is starting to infringe into the usual purview of the Executive.
Talking about what Jesus intended is sort of pointless because whatever the historical Jesus taught or thought, he wasn't thinking about what people 2000 years in the future in a global technological society would be doing. He didn't intend to found an permanent enduring bureaucracy; the general consensus among the historians who have looked at the issue is that he thought and taught that the "end of the world" in some sense was nigh.
Lulz, Gospel according to Jewwy Jewsteinberg, Jew at Law.
Quote from: derspiess on August 04, 2014, 04:04:49 PM
I disagree with his criticism of capitalism
Mitt RomnYi and Wall Street thanks you for it. Sucker.
Quote from: grumbler on August 04, 2014, 06:03:31 PM
I had my doubts about his sincerity in the beginning, but those have mostly been put to rest.
Yeah, I thought he was just faking that whole lifelong Jesuit thing, too.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 04, 2014, 09:12:45 PM
Lulz, Gospel according to Jewwy Jewsteinberg, Jew at Law.
That's the thing about Jews - takes one to know one. :contract:
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on August 05, 2014, 10:13:25 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 04, 2014, 09:12:45 PM
Lulz, Gospel according to Jewwy Jewsteinberg, Jew at Law.
That's the thing about Jews - takes one to know one. :contract:
Yeah, you got Jesus's message down "Love one another...at least until the advent of the Industrial Age and centralized monetary policy." THE FUND MANAGERS WILL INHERIT THE EARTH
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 05, 2014, 12:00:26 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on August 05, 2014, 10:13:25 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 04, 2014, 09:12:45 PM
Lulz, Gospel according to Jewwy Jewsteinberg, Jew at Law.
That's the thing about Jews - takes one to know one. :contract:
Yeah, you got Jesus's message down "Love one another...at least until the advent of the Industrial Age and centralized monetary policy." THE FUND MANAGERS WILL INHERIT THE EARTH
I think you need to blame the Scots for the message that the free market alone will create the ideal society.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 05, 2014, 12:00:26 PM
Yeah, you got Jesus's message down "Love one another...at least until the advent of the Industrial Age and centralized monetary policy." THE FUND MANAGERS WILL INHERIT THE EARTH
Yeah that's me alright - Mr. loves me some fund managers.
Reading comp fail.
Don't give me shit about reading comp fail when you pull horseshit like this out of your ass.
QuoteTalking about what Jesus intended is sort of pointless because whatever the historical Jesus taught or thought, he wasn't thinking about what people 2000 years in the future in a global technological society would be doing.
Then again, maybe you can't be accused of reading comp fail, since the New Testament is involved. You people never got to the sequel.
Don't Fox News me, CountdeLaurenGreen.
Just more proof Christianity is too important to be left to the Christians.
Quote from: crazy canuck on August 05, 2014, 12:03:40 PM
I think you need to blame the Scots for the message that the free market alone will create the ideal society.
If only they still believed in the free market :(
Quote from: derspiess on August 05, 2014, 03:15:57 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on August 05, 2014, 12:03:40 PM
I think you need to blame the Scots for the message that the free market alone will create the ideal society.
If only they still believed in the free market :(
Yeah no shit. Bunch of commies. Though to be fair Adam Smith was regarded as a heartless bastard after he wrote his book wasn't he?
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on August 05, 2014, 03:12:04 PM
Don't Fox News me, CountdeLaurenGreen.
Just more proof Christianity is too important to be left to the Christians.
Douchebag lawyer is: douchebag
Man who knew Seedy was such a firebrand for the New Testament.
Quote from: Valmy on August 05, 2014, 03:55:12 PM
Quote from: derspiess on August 05, 2014, 03:15:57 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on August 05, 2014, 12:03:40 PM
I think you need to blame the Scots for the message that the free market alone will create the ideal society.
If only they still believed in the free market :(
Yeah no shit. Bunch of commies. Though to be fair Adam Smith was regarded as a heartless bastard after he wrote his book wasn't he?
I dont think so. It was the Derspices of the world who came later who didnt quite get what Adam was getting at. But we can still blame the Scots for sending a message that could be so horribly misinterpreted.
Quote from: Valmy on August 05, 2014, 04:23:15 PM
Man who knew Seedy was such a firebrand for the New Testament.
He's Irish. Only the Spanish and their acolytes can hold a candle to Irish Papism.
Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on August 05, 2014, 05:20:42 PM
Quote from: Valmy on August 05, 2014, 04:23:15 PM
Man who knew Seedy was such a firebrand for the New Testament.
He's Irish. Only the Spanish and their acolytes can hold a candle to Irish Papism.
No, I just find overly cynical, pretentiously snot-nosed anti-religion attitudes as practiced by Europeans and Jewish lawyers with religious hang-ups as distasteful as goofy ass abortion clinic-bombing GOP fundies, particularly when somebody criticizes the basic, universal teachings of Jesus of Nazereth as characterized in the gospels of John, Paul, George, Ringo, Luke and Leia as some sort of period fad that has no place in modern society.
But I expect nothing less from our fuck-over-your-fellow-man society, or from all the broken moral compasses on Languish. Assfucks all need to disappear on a fucking Malaysian airliner together, amen.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 05, 2014, 06:18:25 PM
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But I expect nothing less from our fuck-over-your-fellow-man society, or from all the broken moral compasses on Languish. Assfucks all need to disappear on a fucking Malaysian airliner together, amen.
I didn't think you were that devout Money... But I'll tell you what, this is one case where the messenger should be killed in order to preserve the message.
G.
Quote from: derspiess on August 05, 2014, 03:15:57 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on August 05, 2014, 12:03:40 PM
I think you need to blame the Scots for the message that the free market alone will create the ideal society.
If only they still believed in the free market :(
Can't worship two Gods and be Catholic. Maybe that works in protestantism, I don't know.
Reading comp fail, Money.
But feel free to keep sending friendly fire in all directions.
Us followers of the Original True Faith have long been used to folks adhering to various Johnny-come-lately sects taking our scriptures and declaring them their Own.
We're cool with that - imitation being the sincerest form, etc.
But try not to get in such a twist when the shoe is on the other foot.
The views of one NY Jew aren't going to affect the eternal legacy of JC, however excited you and your new friends at Fox News get.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on August 04, 2014, 07:11:36 PM
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on August 04, 2014, 05:59:53 PM
I don't think we need a Christkiller's opinion on Christ, thanks.
Makes sense. Good thing then I don't do opinions, just the facts. :)
That sounds like something someone who would bake the blood of murdered Christian children into matzos would say.
Quote from: crazy canuck on August 05, 2014, 04:48:54 PM
I dont think so. It was the Derspices of the world who came later who didnt quite get what Adam was getting at. But we can still blame the Scots for sending a message that could be so horribly misinterpreted.
Yeah, but you get it in all your Canucklehead wisdom :rolleyes:
Quote from: Grallon on August 05, 2014, 07:05:37 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 05, 2014, 06:18:25 PM
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But I expect nothing less from our fuck-over-your-fellow-man society, or from all the broken moral compasses on Languish. Assfucks all need to disappear on a fucking Malaysian airliner together, amen.
I didn't think you were that devout Money... But I'll tell you what, this is one case where the messenger should be killed in order to preserve the message.
G.
It's not about being devout, it's about basic human fucking decency. But look who I'm talking to.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on August 05, 2014, 09:07:26 PM
Reading comp fail, Money.
But feel free to keep sending friendly fire in all directions.
Us followers of the Original True Faith have long been used to folks adhering to various Johnny-come-lately sects taking our scriptures and declaring them their Own.
We're cool with that - imitation being the sincerest form, etc.
But try not to get in such a twist when the shoe is on the other foot.
The views of one NY Jew aren't going to affect the eternal legacy of JC, however excited you and your new friends at Fox News get.
Sell it to the Romans, all stocked up here.
Modern Jews are the Pharisees. They mostly just said mean things about Jesus and vice versa.
Quote from: Valmy on August 06, 2014, 09:23:25 AM
Modern Jews are the Pharisees. They mostly just said mean things about Jesus and vice versa.
Don't wanna be a Pharisee
Don't wanna be a Pharisee
'Cause they're not fair you see
Don't wanna be a Pharisee
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 06, 2014, 08:12:16 AM
It's not about being devout, it's about basic human fucking decency. But look who I'm talking to.
Human decency? Either you're hopelessly sentimental or you're stupid. Since I don't believe you're stupid that leaves us with hopeless sentimentality, which is notorious for clouding one's judgement.
None of us is innocent, and none of us deserve to survive.
In fact there is no savior that can save us from ourselves Money.
G.
Quote from: Grallon on August 06, 2014, 08:43:45 PM
None of us is innocent, and none of us deserve to survive.
We can start with you then. Just keep stabbing yourself with that worn out and boring postmodern Continental cynicism until you die a nihilist French death.
He is a fucking communist.
I don't blame his ass.
He is from South America.
What can you realistically expect with such a corrupt corporate capitalist system, as oppoused to a free-market capitalist system?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 06, 2014, 09:34:10 PM
Quote from: Grallon on August 06, 2014, 08:43:45 PM
None of us is innocent, and none of us deserve to survive.
We can start with you then. Just keep stabbing yourself with that worn out and boring postmodern Continental cynicism until you die a nihilist French death.
It is sad to see two such similar people, bicker so.
Quote from: garbon on August 10, 2014, 04:03:44 AM
It is sad to see two such similar people, bicker so.
I guess nihilists are like the Highlander - there can be only one.
Quote from: DontSayBanana on August 10, 2014, 07:48:40 AM
Quote from: garbon on August 10, 2014, 04:03:44 AM
It is sad to see two such similar people, bicker so.
I guess nihilists are like the Highlander - there can be only one.
That's solipsists.
Quote from: garbon on August 10, 2014, 04:03:44 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 06, 2014, 09:34:10 PM
Quote from: Grallon on August 06, 2014, 08:43:45 PM
None of us is innocent, and none of us deserve to survive.
We can start with you then. Just keep stabbing yourself with that worn out and boring postmodern Continental cynicism until you die a nihilist French death.
It is sad to see two such similar people, bicker so.
Nah. Seedy puts up a front, but inside he's a big softy.
Quote from: Siege on August 09, 2014, 11:27:49 PM
What can you realistically expect with such a corrupt corporate capitalist system
I thought you were pro US.