From the Guardian: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/22/thomas-the-tank-engine-children-parents (http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/22/thomas-the-tank-engine-children-parents)
QuoteThomas the Tank Engine had to shut the hell up to save children everywhere
Classism, sexism, anti-environmentalism bordering on racism: any parent who discovered these hidden lessons will be glad the show's star just quit
There are many terrible children's programs through which parents must suffer during their child's young life. For every Sesame Street, there is an annoying Caillou or an acid-trippy Yo Gabba Gabba. But Thomas and Friends is – or was – the one show with enough subversive messages to make me turn it off for good.
My son, now three-and-a-half years old, thankfully never never went through a manic train fascination like so many other children. But once in a while, he'd get a bug in his brain to watch Thomas, and every time I sat and watched with him, I winced and groaned almost as much as Percy.
When I heard the news this week, that the voice actor behind Thomas's incessant whinging quit the series because he was underpaid, I remembered all of the reasons that I cut my kid off from the show in the first place.
Thomas and those friends are trains that toil away endlessly on the Isle of Sodor – which seems to be forever caught in British colonial times – and, on its surface, the show seems to impart good moral lessons about hard work and friendship. But if you look through the steam rising up from the coal-powered train stacks, you realize that the pretty puffs of smoke are concealing some pretty twisted, anachronistic messages.
For one, these trains perform tasks dictated by their imperious, little white boss, Sir Topham Hatt (also known as The Fat Controller), whose attire of a top hat, tuxedo and big round belly is just a little too obvious. Basically, he's the Monopoly dictator of their funky little island. Hatt orders the trains to do everything from hauling freight to carrying passengers to running whatever random errand he wants done, whenever he wants it done – regardless of their pre-existing schedules.
Inevitably, the trains get in a fight with or pick on one another (or generally mess up whatever job they are supposed to be doing) until Hatt has to scold one of them about being a "really useful engine", because their sole utility in life is their ability to satisfy his whims. Yeah, because I want to teach my kid to admire a controlling autocrat.
But there was one particular episode that caused me to put the brakes on Thomas for good. It revolved around James, a red engine who is described in the opening credits as "vain but lots of fun." (Wait, it's OK to be vain if you can show others a good time occasionally? Great – that's going in my Parenting 101 book.) In the episode "Tickled Pink", poor vain James, is ordered by Topham Hat to get a new coat of paint. But while James has only had an undercoat of pink slathered on, Topham Hatt interrupts and demands that James go pick up Hatt's granddaughter and deliver her and her friends to a birthday party right now.
James is mortified that he has to travel while pink and proceeds to hide from all the other trains along the way. When he's caught, the other trains – including Thomas – viciously laugh and mock him.
"What are you doing James? You're a big pink steamie," says Diesel, the bad-boy engine. (For the record, all the "villains" on Thomas and Friends are the dirty diesel engines. I'd like to think there was a good environmental message in there, but when the good engines pump out white smoke and the bad engines pump out black smoke – and they are all pumping out smoke – it's not hard to make the leap into the race territory.)
But once James gets back on the rails and picks up Granddaughter Hatt and her friends, all seemingly ends well because the girls love pink.
Well guess what? It's not OK. You think a little boy watching Thomas is going to file away the lesson that pink is OK for boys? No, what kids remember is that James was laughed at, cruelly, over and over again, because he looked different and was clad in a "girly" pink color.
And that's not even to get started on the female trains. Well, actually it's hard to get started on them, because they barely exist. Take a quick scan of the more than 100 trains and characters in the Thomas universe – it spans multiple books, toys and continents in addition to a TV show – and you can quickly count on two hands the number of lady trains that populate is Isle of Sodor. Emily – the only lady train to get name checked in the opening credits and the only one who regularly hangs out with the boy trains – is said to "know her stuff." That's the sole description of her personality. What does that even mean?
Last year, the British Labour shadow Transportation Secretary even called out Thomas for its lack of females, saying that the franchise setting a bad example for girl wannabe train engineers everywhere.
At first blush, Thomas and his friends seem rather placid and mild. And there are certainly a lot worse shows in terms of in-your-face violence, sexism, racism and classism. But looks can be deceiving: the constant bent of messages about friendship, work, class, gender and race sends my kid the absolute wrong message.
And really, that theme song makes me scream. Thomas can just go bust my buffers.
Gentile or Jew
O you who shovel coal and look down trackward,
Consider Thomas, who was once handsome and tall as you.
The joke was that James is super haughty and vain about his red paint job. And people were giving him a very minor bit of nonsense for it but for James he took it way too hard because he is super vain. Until some kids accepted him so he learned a big lesson about not being hung up on ones appearance that his character will completely forget about the next episode...as per tradition. I don't think the lesson was the pink was horrible. I didn't notice my boys rip up all their pink stuff once that ran. And no all the "villains" are not diesels. And of course Hatt is the grown up and the trains are all basically toddlers. I don't know if keeping toddlers in line is equivalent to being an autocrat but maybe it is.
And what does "knowing your stuff" mean? Well what does "huffs and puffs" or "deliver the mail on time" mean?
How innocuous does something have to be? I mean this is about the most powder puff show one can find.
Damn Valmy's our local Thomas guru.
My kids never watched it much.
I just knew derfetus's love for coal was race-based. Just knew it.
Quote from: derspiess on July 24, 2014, 12:44:39 PM
Damn Valmy's our local Thomas guru.
Or maybe he's an agent for the patriarchy. :shifty:
QuoteMy kids never watched it much.
They'll never learn to unthinkingly accept white male privilege without watching it. :(
(Plus trains are awesome. Hail patriarchy!)
Why was she so thankful her son never loved trains anyway? Trains are awesome. Yes David loved Thomas but he also loved dinosaurs. PBS, in all of its genius, made a show about dinosaurs who ride around on a train creatively titled 'Dinosaur Train'. Needless to say both of my sons are addicted to this glorious amalgamation of everything they hold dear.
Quote from: Savonarola on July 24, 2014, 12:50:45 PM
Or maybe he's an agent for the patriarchy. :shifty:
People have called my quite paternal before...so I am the living embodiment really.
People who want to be insulted and angry will always find a way
Valmy's knowledge is both impressive and a little creepy :D
Quote from: HVC on July 24, 2014, 12:57:14 PM
People who want to be insulted and angry will always find a way
Valmy's knowledge is both impressive and a little creepy :D
People are freaking insane about things for kids man.
Anyway when my kids find something they like they watch it over and over and over again. You become very knowledgeable about the intricacies of Mickey Mouse's Clubhouse after awhile. Well ok except for Octonauts...that show is just too weird.
So if you had a daughter you'd be a brony? :P
Quote from: HVC on July 24, 2014, 01:30:21 PM
So if you had a daughter you'd be a brony? :P
I would probably be as knowledgeable about My Little Pony as any Brony that is for sure. Lettow and I could discuss the characters in depth.
Quote from: HVC on July 24, 2014, 12:57:14 PM
Valmy's knowledge is both impressive and a little creepy :D
Impressive but not quite creepy. Creepy is how adamantly BB defends Caillou.
That's just nationalism.
Quote from: Valmy on July 24, 2014, 01:19:59 PM
Quote from: HVC on July 24, 2014, 12:57:14 PM
People who want to be insulted and angry will always find a way
Valmy's knowledge is both impressive and a little creepy :D
People are freaking insane about things for kids man.
Anyway when my kids find something they like they watch it over and over and over again. You become very knowledgeable about the intricacies of Mickey Mouse's Clubhouse after awhile. Well ok except for Octonauts...that show is just too weird.
:mad:
No dissing of Octonauts, best prog on TV atm
Quote from: Valmy on July 24, 2014, 12:55:14 PM
Why was she so thankful her son never loved trains anyway? Trains are awesome. Yes David loved Thomas but he also loved dinosaurs. PBS, in all of its genius, made a show about dinosaurs who ride around on a train creatively titled 'Dinosaur Train'. Needless to say both of my sons are addicted to this glorious amalgamation of everything they hold dear.
My nieces watched (watch?) that one.
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on July 24, 2014, 04:42:52 PM
:mad:
No dissing of Octonauts, best prog on TV atm
That wasn't a diss. That show is just strange to the point I do not understand it at all. Weird...animal and vegetable people save underwater wildlife?
Quote from: Valmy on July 24, 2014, 01:34:01 PM
Quote from: HVC on July 24, 2014, 01:30:21 PM
So if you had a daughter you'd be a brony? :P
I would probably be as knowledgeable about My Little Pony as any Brony that is for sure. Lettow and I could discuss the characters in depth.
pinkie pie is best pony.
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 24, 2014, 04:56:25 PM
pinkie pie is best pony.
See? This is what happens!
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3022/5840198061_515156c611.jpg)
The author. Who would have guessed?
Quote from: Valmy on July 24, 2014, 04:57:08 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 24, 2014, 04:56:25 PM
pinkie pie is best pony.
See? This is what happens!
I made the mistake of watching TV with the kids.
DON'T REPEAT MY MISTAKE
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 24, 2014, 04:56:25 PM
pinkie pie is best pony.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqVVtaWd8Pw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqVVtaWd8Pw)
(kinda dumb actually, but it does have 6 million views :sleep:)
QuoteThe author. Who would have guessed?
Look forward to her scathing attacks on the racism and classism in Dinosaur Train.
'Why are there no pink Sauropods? And why they shown to be bigger than the Ornithomimi? We are teaching our children this racist fascism? And why is Anna Tyrannosaurus described as a 'tyrant lizard'? What does that even mean?'
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on July 24, 2014, 05:02:45 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 24, 2014, 04:56:25 PM
pinkie pie is best pony.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqVVtaWd8Pw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqVVtaWd8Pw)
(kinda dumb actually, but it does have 6 million views :sleep:)
WTF?
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 24, 2014, 05:00:23 PM
I made the mistake of watching TV with the kids.
DON'T REPEAT MY MISTAKE
Too late man. It is too late for me.
Quote from: Legbiter on July 24, 2014, 04:58:32 PM
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3022/5840198061_515156c611.jpg)
The author. Who would have guessed?
Her kid is going to get the shit kicked out of him in school. :(
Quote from: Valmy on July 24, 2014, 12:55:14 PM
Why was she so thankful her son never loved trains anyway? Trains are awesome. Yes David loved Thomas but he also loved dinosaurs. PBS, in all of its genius, made a show about dinosaurs who ride around on a train creatively titled 'Dinosaur Train'. Needless to say both of my sons are addicted to this glorious amalgamation of everything they hold dear.
I was listening to the album "Trans-Europa Express" last night; and I thought that if "Dinosaur Train" was my show I'd have Kraftwerk do the music.
Trans-pangea-express
Trans-pangea-expressOh, and the dinosaurs would have a rigid class structure and female dinosaurs would be second class citizens; but they would all be ruled by Queen Victoria. Hail Patriarchy!
Quote"What are you doing James? You're a big pink steamie," says Diesel, the bad-boy engine. (For the record, all the "villains" on Thomas and Friends are the dirty diesel engines. I'd like to think there was a good environmental message in there, but when the good engines pump out white smoke and the bad engines pump out black smoke – and they are all pumping out smoke – it's not hard to make the leap into the race territory.)
The idea that the age old dichotomy if black=evil and white= good is routes in racism always annoys me when I see it crop up, it's just utterly untrue. It long predates racism or indeed white people having much to do with black people at all.
Quote from: Razgovory on July 24, 2014, 05:23:03 PM
Quote from: Legbiter on July 24, 2014, 04:58:32 PM
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3022/5840198061_515156c611.jpg)
The author. Who would have guessed?
Her kid is going to get the shit kicked out of him in school. :(
Cal would Polynesian musclefuck that valley like a rotary snowplow through the Swiss Alps.