http://archaeology.org/news/2157-140602-china-yanghai-pants
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QuoteWorld's Oldest Pants Unearthed in China
BERLIN, GERMANY—Science News reports that the remains of two men wearing trousers have been recovered from the Yanghai graveyard in China's Tarim Basin by Ulrike Beck and Mayke Wagner of the German Archaeological Institute. They say that the trousers are the oldest known examples of their kind. Dated to between 3,300 and 3,000 years ago, the pants have straight-fitting legs and a wide crotch. They were sewn together from three pieces of wool cloth that had been woven on a loom to the correct size, and fashioned with side slits, strings at the waist for fastening, and designs on the legs. One of the men had been buried with a decorated leather bridle and a wooden bit, a battle ax, and a leather bracer for arm protection. The other man was accompanied by a whip, a decorated horse tail, a bow sheath, and a bow. "This new paper [in Quaternary International] definitely supports the idea that trousers were invented for horse riding by mobile pastoralists, and that trousers were brought to the Tarim Basin by horse-riding peoples," commented Victor Mair of the University of Pennsylvania.
They made shit to last back in the day. How long does a good pair of jeans last these days?
Quote from: Syt on June 03, 2014, 08:25:04 AM
They made shit to last back in the day. How long does a good pair of jeans last these days?
Maybe Levi's company can copy those trousers, make them to last for a few thousand years! ;)
They were creamed after the announcing of Szechuan Universalis IV.
L.
Quote from: Pedrito on June 03, 2014, 08:47:35 AM
They were creamed after the announcing of Szechuan Universalis IV.
L.
Occupy Tibet DLC
Not nearly as old as I was expecting. This isn't impressive at all. I'd expect pants to have been invented soon after the needle 60,000 years ago.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 03, 2014, 08:56:30 AM
Not nearly as old as I was expecting. This isn't impressive at all. I'd expect pants to have been invented soon after the needle 60,000 years ago.
The problem is that, unless conditions are just right and
remain just right, textiles do not survive for long.
Maybe pants were invented 60K YA, but chances are a pair that old would never be found. That would imply the pants, for example, survived the last round of ice ages, which is unlikely; climate change will most likely have put them through at least one wet spell.
With a title like that I was expecting some Otzi style iceman frozen in a glacier or Siberian permafrost.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 03, 2014, 09:10:33 AM
With a title like that I was expecting some Otzi style iceman frozen in a glacier or Siberian permafrost.
Otzi wasn't wearing pants, but rather leggings. ;)
But yeah - he's remarkable for his state of preservation, which is very, very unusual. Also, he's not orders of magnitude older - he is aprox. 5K YA, these pants 3K.
40,000 year mammoths in similar condition have been found.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 03, 2014, 09:28:59 AM
40,000 year mammoths in similar condition have been found.
To date, as far as I know, no clothes that old have survived and been found. It isn't impossible, of course, but it would appear that preservation of clothes older than about 5,000 years is very, very unusual.
Good "world's oldest" reference here. They have a 5,900 year old skirt and 5,500 year old shoes.
http://www.oddee.com/item_98628.aspx (http://www.oddee.com/item_98628.aspx)
My pants are going on three weeks.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 03, 2014, 09:28:59 AM
40,000 year mammoths in similar condition have been found.
But they weren't wearing pants, now were they?
Quote from: Jacob on June 03, 2014, 02:57:51 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 03, 2014, 09:28:59 AM
40,000 year mammoths in similar condition have been found.
But they weren't wearing pants, now were they?
:D
Shush, you'll confuse him.
Quote from: Jacob on June 03, 2014, 02:57:51 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 03, 2014, 09:28:59 AM
40,000 year mammoths in similar condition have been found.
But they weren't wearing pants, now were they?
:w00t:
Grumbler can pick them up at the lost and found.
I love Tim in this thread :)
Quote from: Ideologue on June 03, 2014, 03:18:01 PM
Grumbler can pick them up at the lost and found.
:lol:
Quote from: Jacob on June 03, 2014, 02:57:51 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 03, 2014, 09:28:59 AM
40,000 year mammoths in similar condition have been found.
But they weren't wearing pants, now were they?
If their fur and flesh can last that long then so can human clothing.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 04, 2014, 10:17:45 AM
Quote from: Jacob on June 03, 2014, 02:57:51 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 03, 2014, 09:28:59 AM
40,000 year mammoths in similar condition have been found.
But they weren't wearing pants, now were they?
If their fur and flesh can last that long then so can human clothing.
Why would mammoths be wearing human clothing?
I want there to be a sign at all border crossings: Welcome to China Home to the World's Oldest Pants