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Title: N. Korea sentences U.S. journalists to 12 years
Post by: jimmy olsen on June 08, 2009, 05:12:59 AM
Poor bastards.  :(

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31160497/

QuoteN. Korea sentences U.S. journalists to 12 years

As tensions soar, Pyongyang's top court convicts Americans of 'grave crime'

updated 57 minutes ago

SEOUL, South Korea - North Korea's top court convicted two American journalists and sentenced them to 12 years in a prison Monday, intensifying the nation's confrontation with the United States.

The sentencing came amid soaring tensions fueled by the North's latest nuclear and missile tests. Many believe Pyongyang is using the journalists as bargaining chips as the U.N. debates a new resolution to punish the unpredictable country for its latest military threats.

In a cryptic two-sentence report, the North's state news agency said Laura Ling, 32, and Euna Lee, 36 were sentenced after the five-day trial ended Monday. They were guilty of a "grave crime" against the nation and of illegally crossing into North Korea, the Korean Central News Agency said.
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The court "sentenced each of them to 12 years of reform through labor," said the report, without giving other details. The phrase refers to a prison term, according to Choi Eun-suk, a North Korean law expert at Seoul's University of North Korean Studies.

He said North Korean law calls for transferring convicts to prison within 10 days after verdict.

Ling and Lee, working for former Vice President Al Gore's California-based Current TV, cannot appeal because they were tried in North Korea's highest court, where decisions are final.

'Bargaining chip'?
Some analysts believe negotiations will now begin that will likely lead to the journalists' release.

"North Korea refused to release them ahead of a court ruling because such a move could be seen as capitulating to the United States," said Hajime Izumi, professor of international relations and an expert on North Korea at the University of Shizuoka in Japan.

But now "North Korea may release them on humanitarian grounds and demand the United States provide humanitarian aid in return," he said. "North Korea will certainly use the reporters as a bargaining chip in negotiations with the United States."

Their release could come through a post-negotiation political pardon, said Yang Moo-jin, a colleague of Choi at the University of North Korean Studies.

Kim Yong-hyun, a professor at Seoul's Dongguk University, said the 12-year sentence — the maximum possible allowed by the North's laws — could have been a reaction to "hard-line" moves by the United States, including threats of sanctions and putting North Korea back on a list of state sponsors of terrorism.

"But the sentence doesn't mean much because the issue will be resolved diplomatically in the end," he said.

Strains
Tensions have been running high since the North held its second underground nuclear blast May 25 and followed it up with several missile tests. U.S. officials have said the North appears to be preparing to test another long-range missile at a new launch pad.

The circumstances surrounding the trial of the two journalists and their arrest March 17 on the China-North Korean border have been shrouded in secrecy, as is typical of the reclusive nation. The trial was not open to the public or foreign observers, including the Swedish Embassy, which looks after American interests in the absence of diplomatic relations.

The two were reporting about the trafficking of women at the time of their arrest, and it's unclear if they strayed into the North or were grabbed by aggressive border guards who crossed into China.

U.S. State Department spokesman Ian Kelly said Washington was trying to confirm press reports of the sentencing.

Kelly said the United States was "deeply concerned" about the sentences and that officials would "engage in all possible channels" to free the women.

Gore spokeswoman Kalee Kreider said the former vice president has no comment. The South Korean government also did not comment. Alanna Zahn, a spokeswoman for the journalists' families, said the family members have no immediate comment.

Another American who was tried in North Korea in 1996 was treated more leniently. Evan C. Hunziker, apparently acting on a drunken dare, swam across the Yalu River — which marks the North's border with China — and was arrested after farmers found the man, then 26, naked. He was accused of spying and detained for three months before being freed after negotiations with a special U.S. envoy.

The North Koreans wanted Hunziker to pay a $100,000 criminal fine but eventually agreed on a $5,000 payment to settle a bill for a hotel where he was detained.

© 2009 The Associated Press
Title: Re: N. Korea sentences U.S. journalists to 12 years
Post by: Martinus on June 08, 2009, 05:26:47 AM
Journalists, always thinking they are above the law.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: N. Korea sentences U.S. journalists to 12 years
Post by: Brazen on June 08, 2009, 05:30:08 AM
Quote from: Martinus on June 08, 2009, 05:26:47 AM
Journalists, always thinking they are above the law.  :rolleyes:
:unsure:
Title: Re: N. Korea sentences U.S. journalists to 12 years
Post by: Martinus on June 08, 2009, 06:13:00 AM
Quote from: Brazen on June 08, 2009, 05:30:08 AM
Quote from: Martinus on June 08, 2009, 05:26:47 AM
Journalists, always thinking they are above the law.  :rolleyes:
:unsure:

I was channeling Neil and BB. :P
Title: Re: N. Korea sentences U.S. journalists to 12 years
Post by: Ed Anger on June 08, 2009, 06:53:03 AM
Quote from: Martinus on June 08, 2009, 05:26:47 AM
Journalists, always thinking they are above the law.  :rolleyes:

FINALLY, Marti says something smart.
Title: Re: N. Korea sentences U.S. journalists to 12 years
Post by: Jos Theelen on June 08, 2009, 06:56:35 AM
Maybe somewhat inconvenient for Gore, but he should do this.

QuoteIn a column published May 9 in the Washington Post, Victor Cha, a former adviser to president George W. Bush on North Korea, suggested that President Barack Obama's administration should send Gore to Pyongyang. "The United States needs to send a high-level envoy to North Korea to bring these women home. The obvious candidate would be Gore," wrote Cha, who is now a a professor at Georgetown University. "The North Koreans would respect someone of his stature, and his stake in the issue would make his mission eminently credible," he added. "Without fear of setting or breaking diplomatic precedent, he could issue whatever 'apologies' were necessary to secure the two women's release," according to Cha. "Similar token apologies have been issued in the past." In the 1990s, Washington obtained the release of two US nationals who were arrested by the North Koreans. One was a young man suspected of espionage and the other was a military helicopter pilot who was shot down after having entered North Korean air space.
Title: Re: N. Korea sentences U.S. journalists to 12 years
Post by: DisturbedPervert on June 08, 2009, 07:43:07 AM
Quote from: Jos Theelen on June 08, 2009, 06:56:35 AM
Maybe somewhat inconvenient for Gore, but he should do this.

Considering they work for him and were there reporting for his company, I think he could find the time.
Title: Re: N. Korea sentences U.S. journalists to 12 years
Post by: Valmy on June 08, 2009, 07:46:24 AM
Well they were guilty of the crime of stupidity.
Title: Re: N. Korea sentences U.S. journalists to 12 years
Post by: Neil on June 08, 2009, 08:03:47 AM
Quote from: Valmy on June 08, 2009, 07:46:24 AM
Well they were guilty of the crime of stupidity.
Well, the vast majority of journalists tend that way.  It's always best to assume that anything you read that was written by a journalist is wrong until you receive confirmation from a non-journalistic source.
Title: Re: N. Korea sentences U.S. journalists to 12 years
Post by: Josquius on June 08, 2009, 08:16:50 AM
I wonder what N.Korean prisons are like. Is there just the horrid political prisoner prisons or real ones too?
Title: Re: N. Korea sentences U.S. journalists to 12 years
Post by: DisturbedPervert on June 08, 2009, 08:27:06 AM
Quote from: Tyr on June 08, 2009, 08:16:50 AM
I wonder what N.Korean prisons are like. Is there just the horrid political prisoner prisons or real ones too?

They're great.  All the bark and dandelion heads you can eat.
Title: Re: N. Korea sentences U.S. journalists to 12 years
Post by: KRonn on June 08, 2009, 09:21:15 AM
I'm thinking that these journalists were mainly pawns in the international bargaining. The N. Koreans using them as fodder in their dealings with the US, using it for any leverage they can get, if at all.
Title: Re: N. Korea sentences U.S. journalists to 12 years
Post by: Caliga on June 08, 2009, 11:00:55 AM
If they had only spent more time slavishly praising and bowing to effigies of Dear Leader and the Great Leader, all of this could have been avoided.  :(
Title: Re: N. Korea sentences U.S. journalists to 12 years
Post by: Brazen on June 08, 2009, 11:02:07 AM
Quote from: Neil on June 08, 2009, 08:03:47 AM
It's always best to assume that anything you read that was written by a journalist is wrong until you receive confirmation from a non-journalistic source.
Problem is, you'd never even know the things you may or may not believe happened at all without journalists.
Title: Re: N. Korea sentences U.S. journalists to 12 years
Post by: Drakken on June 08, 2009, 02:37:18 PM
Does that mean that their families will recuperate their executed bodies in 12 years? :unsure:
Title: Re: N. Korea sentences U.S. journalists to 12 years
Post by: Josquius on June 08, 2009, 02:43:30 PM
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on June 08, 2009, 08:27:06 AM
Quote from: Tyr on June 08, 2009, 08:16:50 AM
I wonder what N.Korean prisons are like. Is there just the horrid political prisoner prisons or real ones too?

They're great.  All the bark and dandelion heads you can eat.

Thats the country as a whole nay?
But no, I seriously wonder. Does the government have actual real internationally legal prisons in addition to its camps?
I wouldn't imagine them getting much use out of them anyway if they are there (crime being against the revolution and all that bollocks) but are they there...
Title: Re: N. Korea sentences U.S. journalists to 12 years
Post by: citizen k on June 08, 2009, 03:21:56 PM
Quote from: Tyr on June 08, 2009, 02:43:30 PM
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on June 08, 2009, 08:27:06 AM
Quote from: Tyr on June 08, 2009, 08:16:50 AM
I wonder what N.Korean prisons are like. Is there just the horrid political prisoner prisons or real ones too?

They're great.  All the bark and dandelion heads you can eat.

Thats the country as a whole nay?
But no, I seriously wonder. Does the government have actual real internationally legal prisons in addition to its camps?
I wouldn't imagine them getting much use out of them anyway if they are there (crime being against the revolution and all that bollocks) but are they there...
That one dude that was caught skinny dipping in the Yalu was put up in a hotel. When he was released he was charged $5,000 for his stay.

Title: Re: N. Korea sentences U.S. journalists to 12 years
Post by: Neil on June 08, 2009, 03:23:35 PM
Quote from: Brazen on June 08, 2009, 11:02:07 AM
Quote from: Neil on June 08, 2009, 08:03:47 AM
It's always best to assume that anything you read that was written by a journalist is wrong until you receive confirmation from a non-journalistic source.
Problem is, you'd never even know the things you may or may not believe happened at all without journalists.
It does make things more difficult.  You can generally assume that they'll be alright for reporting what happened in broad terms ('A plane crashed' for example), but trusting them with specifics or with analysis is a bad idea (What was the cause of the plane crash?  What are the possible ramifications?).  This isn't true of all journalists, to be sure, just the vast majority of them.  Any journalists in our midst can be assumed to be both capable and sane.

Personally, I think it has something to do with the fact that only idiots seem to get journalism or communication degrees.  Otherwise, they'd be doing something more useful.
Title: Re: N. Korea sentences U.S. journalists to 12 years
Post by: Caliga on June 08, 2009, 03:25:00 PM
I think it would be fun to take a vacation to North Korea.  :)
Title: Re: N. Korea sentences U.S. journalists to 12 years
Post by: saskganesh on June 08, 2009, 03:47:55 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 08, 2009, 05:12:59 AM
Poor bastards.  :(

bitches. you mean bitches. they are both women.
Title: Re: N. Korea sentences U.S. journalists to 12 years
Post by: BuddhaRhubarb on June 08, 2009, 09:13:01 PM
:(
Title: Re: N. Korea sentences U.S. journalists to 12 years
Post by: katmai on June 08, 2009, 09:36:26 PM
Quote from: Caliga on June 08, 2009, 03:25:00 PM
I think it would be fun to take a vacation to North Korea.  :)

Please do.
Title: Re: N. Korea sentences U.S. journalists to 12 years
Post by: Jos Theelen on June 09, 2009, 03:28:25 AM
Quote from: Neil on June 08, 2009, 03:23:35 PM
Personally, I think it has something to do with the fact that only idiots seem to get journalism or communication degrees.  Otherwise, they'd be doing something more useful.

I think most journalists consider themselves authors. They want to write good readable stories, with nice sentences. To do that, you need to have a lot of knowledge about the subject, which they don't have. So they "invent" things to make the story look better.