QuoteGeorgia law allows guns in some schools, bars, churches
NEW: Pastor says he will not allow guns in Atlanta church, blasts politicians behind bill
Hundreds attended Deal's signing ceremony, some openly carrying handguns
Law will allow Georgians to carry guns into some bars, churches and government buildings
Critics say law takes state "out of mainstream," while proponents call it "meaningful"
Ellijay, Georgia (CNN) -- Georgia Gov. Nathan Deal signed a wide-ranging gun bill into law Wednesday that has critics howling and proponents applauding.
House Bill 60, or the Safe Carry Protection Act of 2014 -- which opponents have nicknamed the "guns everywhere bill" -- specifies where Georgia residents can carry weapons. Included are provisions that allow residents who have concealed carry permits to take guns into some bars, churches, school zones, government buildings and certain parts of airports.
GeorgiaCarry, which lobbied for the bill, calls it "meaningful pro-gun legislation," despite it being watered down from the group's perspective. Still, the group has lauded the legislation, which will go into effect July 1. Americans for Responsible Solutions opposed the bill, calling it "extremism in action."
Wednesday's signing came at an open-air picnic area along a creek in Ellijay, in northern Georgia. It opened with a prayer, the singing of the national anthem and a recital of the Pledge of Allegiance.
Hundreds of people filled more than 25 picnic tables, while others stood. Many were openly carrying handguns, and some wore National Rifle Association hats and buttons proclaiming, "Stop Gun Control" and "Guns Save Lives."
Is change to gun laws possible? The bill, which easily navigated the state Legislature -- by a 112-58 vote in the House and a 37-18 tally in the Senate -- also earned the support of Democratic state Sen. Jason Carter, the grandson of ex-President Jimmy Carter and a 2014 gubernatorial candidate.
Calling it "a great day to reaffirm our liberties," Deal said the law allows residents to protect their families and expands the list of places where they can legally carry firearms, while allowing certain property owners, namely churches and bars, to make judgments on whether they want worshippers and patrons carrying guns.
"The Second Amendment should never be an afterthought. It should be at the forefront of our minds," Deal said while touting his NRA endorsement for governor and "A" rating during his 17 years in Congress.
The governor said the law "will protect the constitutional rights of Georgians who have gone through a background check to legally obtain a Georgia Weapons Carry License.
"Roughly 500,000 Georgia citizens have a permit of this kind, which is approximately 5 percent of our population. License holders have passed background checks and are in good standing with the law. This law gives added protections to those who have played by the rules -- and who can protect themselves and others from those who don't play by the rules."
Americans for Responsible Solutions opposed the original bill that GeorgiaCarry pushed for, and while the group is pleased that the version Deal signed Wednesday doesn't allow guns on college campuses or in churches, except in certain cases, it feels the legislation "takes Georgia out of the mainstream."
"Among its many extreme provisions, it allows guns in TSA lines at the country's busiest airport, forces community school boards into bitter, divisive debates about whether they should allow guns in their children's classrooms, and broadens the conceal carry eligibility to people who have previously committed crimes with guns," said Pia Carusone, the group's senior adviser.
"So it is no surprise that while being trumpeted by the NRA as the 'most comprehensive' gun bill in state history, the legislation ... was opposed by Georgia law enforcement, county commissioners, municipal leaders, and the Transportation Security Administration for its potentially harmful impact on Georgians' safety."
While the bill says no one is allowed to carry a firearm past an airport's security screening checkpoint, it allows guns in other areas, including "an airport drive, general parking area, walkway, or shops and areas of the terminal that are outside the screening checkpoint."
TSA spokesman Ross Feinstein would not say how the law might affect its agents at Georgia airports, particularly Atlanta's, the world's busiest, but he said, "Individuals who bring firearms to security checkpoints are referred to law enforcement and are subject to criminal penalties. However, TSA has the ability to impose a civil penalty."
Another provision of the new law allows firearms into any government building that is open for business and doesn't have security personnel restricting access or screening visitors.
Some critics have said it was hypocritical to allow guns in so many places but not the state Capitol. Deal addressed that perception in a question from reporters, saying the Capitol fell under a wider statewide provision that affects many government buildings, and it's "a uniform carved-out area all across our state."
The law also allows Georgians to carry guns into bars and churches as long as the property owner hasn't banned them. Anyone bringing a gun into a church that prohibits them won't be arrested but could pay a fine up to $100, the law says.
One church that won't be allowing parishioners to carry weapons is Atlanta's historic Ebenezer Baptist Church, which remembers well the 1974 shooting deaths of a deacon and Alberta Williams King, the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.'s mother, in its sanctuary.
The Rev. Raphael Warnock, the church's senior pastor, said a deranged man who had access to guns but not health care was behind that shooting, a circumstance that still resonates today. The shooting would have been even more tragic "had everyone been packing that day," Warnock said.
"The message of today's bill signing is very clear: Our politicians, tragically, are owned by the gun lobby," he said. "No one asked for this bill but the gun lobby, and still, we're here. ... We will remind them in November that they work for the people."
Most churches throughout the state are focused on social issues, such as better health care and education, Warnock said.
"I don't know of a single pastor in the state of Georgia who has been lobbying to have guns brought into their churches," he said. "When we say pass the peace, we mean P-E-A-C-E, not the P-I-E-C-E."
The law will also allow the carrying of firearms by any "duly authorized official of a public or private elementary or secondary school or a public or private technical school, vocational school, college, university, or other institution of post-secondary education or a local board of education."
Deal also touted how HB60 would allow soldiers to obtain a carry license at age 18 if they've completed basic training and are either actively serving or have been honorably discharged.
"If they're old enough to hold a gun in defense of our liberties, then they're old enough to hold a gun, and they shouldn't have to wait until they're 21."
Other notable provisions of the law allow hunters to use silencers and suppressors when the owner of the property where they're hunting is aware they're using such a device; permit gun owners who have had their licenses revoked to apply for a new license after three years; restrict access for anyone whom a court has deemed mentally incompetent or insane, or anyone involuntary committed to a mental institution; and forbid police officers who see a resident carrying a gun to ask for their permit unless they're committing a crime.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/23/us/georgia-governor-signs-gun-bill/index.html?hpt=hp_c2
The governor says the second amendment should always be at the forefront of our minds. I want to comply--especially since so many of his supporters are armed. But I can only keep 3 things at the forefront of my mind at any one time, and I already have the Pledge of Allegiance on continuous repeat, contemplation on the awesomeness of Jesus, and prayers for the redemption of aborted babies/demise of abortion clinic doctors.
Which should I purge to make way for the second amendment?
I only support myself being heavily armed.
Seems reasonable. What's the problem? So maybe a few more people will get shot, big deal. The deterrent effect has got to be pretty severe and honestly a lot of Atlantans need to be deterred. Or shot.
Good job Georgia.
Quote from: 11B4V on April 23, 2014, 04:33:50 PM
Good job Georgia.
You know that means black people can get guns too, right?
There was so much lead pollution in the air, it became economic to extract it and process into bullets; hence the reduction in violence.
Quote from: 11B4V on April 23, 2014, 04:33:50 PM
Good job Georgia.
Could you enlighten me on why we need to grant concealed carry to people with a history of committing felonies with guns? Can we expect such forgiving attitude elsewhere to convicts? I have to say that is rather refreshing if somewhat of a bizarre place to start.
QuoteThe law also allows Georgians to carry guns into bars and churches as long as the property owner hasn't banned them.
Wait it was illegal to have guns in buildings where they were allowed before?
I guess I do not get the big need for this law. It does not really seem to do anything that interesting besides give former gun felons concealed carry permits.
Did we need another reason to stay out of Georgia? :hmm:
Quote from: alfred russel on April 23, 2014, 04:23:34 PM
The governor says the second amendment should always be at the forefront of our minds.
What about the other amendments?
Quote from: Razgovory on April 23, 2014, 04:39:04 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on April 23, 2014, 04:33:50 PM
Good job Georgia.
You know that means black people can get guns too, right?
Lulz, that's a funny one. Stop and frisks stats are going to go through the roof now. :lol:
Quote from: Valmy on April 23, 2014, 05:12:35 PM
I guess I do not get the big need for this law. It does not really seem to do anything that interesting besides give former gun felons concealed carry permits.
Oh, I think it does a lot of things interesting, like increase the chances for more accidental shootings among the inbred. Some mouthbreather accidentally canoeing his 5 year old's head in the living room? That's two birds with one bullet.
One shot, and the world gets smaller.--M. Manson
Quote from: Razgovory on April 23, 2014, 04:39:04 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on April 23, 2014, 04:33:50 PM
Good job Georgia.
You know that means black people can get guns too, right?
You dont have to be afraid of the blacks, Raz. They're people too.
It's legal to carry guns openly in the Kentucky Capitol building, believe it or not. :wacko:
Quote from: 11B4V on April 24, 2014, 11:27:56 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on April 23, 2014, 04:39:04 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on April 23, 2014, 04:33:50 PM
Good job Georgia.
You know that means black people can get guns too, right?
You dont have to be afraid of the blacks, Raz.
Weren't you just arguing the opposite? :huh:
Quote from: garbon on April 24, 2014, 12:30:10 PMWeren't you just arguing the opposite? :huh:
I don't think 11B4V prioritizes consistency in his postings here, beyond "extended gun culture = yeay!"
Quote from: Jacob on April 24, 2014, 12:32:34 PM
Quote from: garbon on April 24, 2014, 12:30:10 PMWeren't you just arguing the opposite? :huh:
I don't think 11B4V prioritizes consistency in his postings here, beyond "extended gun culture = yeay!"
I think he is arguing "morons increase the chances for morons to kill other morons, yeay!" The downside to this is that unarmed people are more vulnerable, but the increased death toll among the guntards may make that worth it.
Quote from: grumbler on April 24, 2014, 01:20:42 PM
Quote from: Jacob on April 24, 2014, 12:32:34 PM
Quote from: garbon on April 24, 2014, 12:30:10 PMWeren't you just arguing the opposite? :huh:
I don't think 11B4V prioritizes consistency in his postings here, beyond "extended gun culture = yeay!"
I think he is arguing "morons increase the chances for morons to kill other morons, yeay!" The downside to this is that unarmed people are more vulnerable, but the increased death toll among the guntards may make that worth it.
Holy shit someone got it. :showoff:
Quote from: garbon on April 24, 2014, 12:30:10 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on April 24, 2014, 11:27:56 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on April 23, 2014, 04:39:04 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on April 23, 2014, 04:33:50 PM
Good job Georgia.
You know that means black people can get guns too, right?
You dont have to be afraid of the blacks, Raz.
Weren't you just arguing the opposite? :huh:
Where?
Quote from: Jacob on April 24, 2014, 12:32:34 PM
Quote from: garbon on April 24, 2014, 12:30:10 PMWeren't you just arguing the opposite? :huh:
I don't think 11B4V prioritizes consistency in his postings here, beyond "extended gun Hunting culture = yeay!"
Wrong and fixed it for you.
Quote from: 11B4V on April 24, 2014, 09:56:44 PM
Quote from: garbon on April 24, 2014, 12:30:10 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on April 24, 2014, 11:27:56 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on April 23, 2014, 04:39:04 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on April 23, 2014, 04:33:50 PM
Good job Georgia.
You know that means black people can get guns too, right?
You dont have to be afraid of the blacks, Raz.
Weren't you just arguing the opposite? :huh:
Where?
When we were discussing how rap culture convinces people to be afraid of young black men.
Quote from: garbon on April 24, 2014, 09:59:52 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on April 24, 2014, 09:56:44 PM
Quote from: garbon on April 24, 2014, 12:30:10 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on April 24, 2014, 11:27:56 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on April 23, 2014, 04:39:04 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on April 23, 2014, 04:33:50 PM
Good job Georgia.
You know that means black people can get guns too, right?
You dont have to be afraid of the blacks, Raz.
Weren't you just arguing the opposite? :huh:
Where?
When we were discussing how rap culture convinces people to be afraid of young black men.
Nothing to do with that.
I'm afraid of Americans.
I'm afraid of the world.
I'm afraid I can't help it.
Stop that! It's silly!: http://youtu.be/Iu7vySQbgXI
Quote from: 11B4V on April 24, 2014, 10:08:24 PM
Quote from: garbon on April 24, 2014, 09:59:52 PM
When we were discussing how rap culture convinces people to be afraid of young black men.
Nothing to do with that.
Yeah, it goes a lot farther back than that.
Any new Mammie purchases, Seedy?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 24, 2014, 10:49:18 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on April 24, 2014, 10:08:24 PM
Quote from: garbon on April 24, 2014, 09:59:52 PM
When we were discussing how rap culture convinces people to be afraid of young black men.
Nothing to do with that.
Yeah, it goes a lot farther back than that.
Agreed, Raz seems to have some issue with TEH BLACK FOLK.
Quote from: derspiess on April 24, 2014, 10:50:45 PM
Any new Mammie purchases, Seedy?
Why, no. Have a chance to shoot any niggers in a 7-Eleven with your completely unnecessary concealed carry permit yet?
Quote from: 11B4V on April 24, 2014, 09:58:32 PM
Quote from: Jacob on April 24, 2014, 12:32:34 PM
Quote from: garbon on April 24, 2014, 12:30:10 PMWeren't you just arguing the opposite? :huh:
I don't think 11B4V prioritizes consistency in his postings here, beyond "extended gun Hunting culture = yeay!"
Wrong and fixed it for you.
Hunting is great. Supplies predators for animals whose normal predators we have killed and gets people out in nature. Pity most of it is sitting behind a blind. Boring as hell.
So far things are going...predictably:
QuoteParents at a Forysth County park abruptly stopped a children's baseball game after growing suspicions of the behavior of a man carrying a gun in a waist holster Tuesday night.
"He's just walking around [saying] 'See my gun? Look, I got a gun and there's nothing you can do about it.' He knew he was frightening people. He knew exactly what he was doing," said parent Karen Rabb.
...
Park users flooded 911 with 22 calls about the man. Forysth County deputies questioned the man, and found that he had a permit for the handgun. Authorities said since the man made no verbal threats or gestures, they could neither arrest him nor ask him to leave the park.
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/man-gun-causes-scare-during-childrens-baseball-gam/nfhJS/
Man, I don't flash my conceal carry gun. Unless the punks in the Dollar General parking lot are giving me the stink eye. The the jacket gets pulled back to see my sweet shoulder holster.
That's a Glock in that holster punks. make my day.
Then I get an erection.
Do you give them the: hairy eyeball?
Quote from: 11B4V on April 24, 2014, 09:58:32 PM
Quote from: Jacob on April 24, 2014, 12:32:34 PM
Quote from: garbon on April 24, 2014, 12:30:10 PMWeren't you just arguing the opposite? :huh:
I don't think 11B4V prioritizes consistency in his postings here, beyond "extended gun Hunting culture = yeay!"
Wrong and fixed it for you.
People do a lot of hunting with concealed weapons in churches, bars and school zones?
Quote from: Razgovory on April 25, 2014, 10:13:59 AM
Quote from: 11B4V on April 24, 2014, 09:58:32 PM
Quote from: Jacob on April 24, 2014, 12:32:34 PM
Quote from: garbon on April 24, 2014, 12:30:10 PMWeren't you just arguing the opposite? :huh:
I don't think 11B4V prioritizes consistency in his postings here, beyond "extended gun Hunting culture = yeay!"
Wrong and fixed it for you.
People do a lot of hunting with concealed weapons in churches, bars and school zones?
Your kinda clueless, huh.
Quote from: Razgovory on April 23, 2014, 04:39:04 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on April 23, 2014, 04:33:50 PM
Good job Georgia.
You know that means black people can get guns too, right?
This is Georgia.
Black man shoots white man in self defense=death penalty.
White man shoots black man in self defense=justifiable homicide.
Has the crime rate reached 0 ? Or is it still hours a away?
Quote from: Grey Fox on April 25, 2014, 12:25:04 PM
Has the crime rate reached 0 ? Or is it still hours a away?
I think so. I have yet to witness any crime.
However, I also haven't left my house yet. It sounds like there has been a lot of gunfire the past few days and I'm waiting for that to subside to more typical levels.
Quote from: 11B4V on April 24, 2014, 09:58:32 PM
Quote from: Jacob on April 24, 2014, 12:32:34 PM
Quote from: garbon on April 24, 2014, 12:30:10 PMWeren't you just arguing the opposite? :huh:
I don't think 11B4V prioritizes consistency in his postings here, beyond "extended gun Hunting culture = yeay!"
Wrong and fixed it for you.
Okay cool. Thanks for the clarification.
Quote from: 11B4V on April 25, 2014, 11:30:35 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on April 25, 2014, 10:13:59 AM
Quote from: 11B4V on April 24, 2014, 09:58:32 PM
Quote from: Jacob on April 24, 2014, 12:32:34 PM
Quote from: garbon on April 24, 2014, 12:30:10 PMWeren't you just arguing the opposite? :huh:
I don't think 11B4V prioritizes consistency in his postings here, beyond "extended gun Hunting culture = yeay!"
Wrong and fixed it for you.
People do a lot of hunting with concealed weapons in churches, bars and school zones?
Your kinda clueless, huh.
Well, I took your comment originally of "Good job Georgia" as stemming from your adherence to gun culture. You corrected Jake's comment to say you are an adherent to hunting culture. So am I to understand "Good job Georgia" is for furthering hunting culture? And if so, how much hunting is done within school zones with pistols?
Quote from: Razgovory on April 25, 2014, 01:21:36 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on April 25, 2014, 11:30:35 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on April 25, 2014, 10:13:59 AM
Quote from: 11B4V on April 24, 2014, 09:58:32 PM
Quote from: Jacob on April 24, 2014, 12:32:34 PM
Quote from: garbon on April 24, 2014, 12:30:10 PMWeren't you just arguing the opposite? :huh:
I don't think 11B4V prioritizes consistency in his postings here, beyond "extended gun Hunting culture = yeay!"
Wrong and fixed it for you.
People do a lot of hunting with concealed weapons in churches, bars and school zones?
Your kinda clueless, huh.
Well, I took your comment originally of "Good job Georgia" as stemming from your adherence to gun culture. You corrected Jake's comment to say you are an adherent to hunting culture. So am I to understand "Good job Georgia" is for furthering hunting culture? And if so, how much hunting is done within school zones with pistols?
Read grumbler's post.
Now why would someone do something stupid like that?
Quote from: Grey Fox on April 25, 2014, 12:25:04 PM
Has the crime rate reached 0 ? Or is it still hours a away?
A few more hours to go, I think.
QuoteA Fulton County assistant district attorney was rushed to the hospital in critical condition after a double shooting Friday.
She was among two people shot inside a car on Fairway Circle in southwest Atlanta.
Sources tell Channel 2's Ryan Young that the suspect in the shooting is McConnell's husband, Trenard McConnell. She filed for divorce on Monday and there was no protective order.
Shortly after the shooting, police located a vehicle possibly involved in the shooting on Mallory Road near Forest Lawn Cemetery.
Investigators later confirmed to Channel 2 Action News that Trenard McConnell was found dead next to a pond at the cemetery.
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/fulton-county-assistant-district-attorney-shot/nfhgT/
I do not believe I can ever fathom this fetish about firearms. I think one needs to be brought up American to 'get it'.
*shakes head*
As if any one individual could withstand the Federal Sate if it wanted you dead!
Silly Americans.
G.
Quote from: Grallon on April 25, 2014, 08:29:22 PM
I do not believe I can ever fathom this fetish about firearms. I think one needs to be brought up American to 'get it'.
*shakes head*
As if any one individual could withstand the Federal Sate if it wanted you dead!
Silly Americans.
You do not understand freedom.
Quote from: Valmy on April 25, 2014, 08:30:17 PM
You do not understand freedom.
I do hope this was a comic repartee? Otherwise it would be really sad.
G.
Actually, I would like to know what your definition of freedom is grallon. :)
Quote from: Grallon on April 25, 2014, 08:29:22 PM
As if any one individual could withstand the Federal Sate if it wanted you dead!
Silly Americans.
Here, you'll like this piece. :D
http://dailyreckoning.com/when-they-come-for-your-guns-you-will-turn-them-over/
That might work if the government somehow knew who owned weapons and how many they owned. :sleep:
Quote from: Valmy on April 25, 2014, 08:30:17 PM
Quote from: Grallon on April 25, 2014, 08:29:22 PM
I do not believe I can ever fathom this fetish about firearms. I think one needs to be brought up American to 'get it'.
*shakes head*
As if any one individual could withstand the Federal Sate if it wanted you dead!
Silly Americans.
You do not understand freedom.
I don't think you have enough lifespan left to list all of the thinks Grallon doesn't understand.
He says he can never fathom this issue. Why not just take him at his word? If he can never fathom this, you can't help him.
Quote from: Caliga on April 26, 2014, 05:34:22 AM
That might work if the government somehow knew who owned weapons and how many they owned. :sleep:
It's easy enough to figure out when they show up to interfere on a collections action.