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Poll
Question: What is your favorite early aircraft carrier
Option 1: USN - Lexington-class votes: 16
Option 2: RN - Furious votes: 1
Option 3: RN - Glorious-class votes: 0
Option 4: RN - Eagle votes: 0
Option 5: RN - Hermes votes: 1
Option 6: IJN - Akagi votes: 5
Option 7: IJN - Kaga votes: 5
Option 8: MN - Béarn votes: 4
Title: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: Neil on February 21, 2014, 11:02:31 PM
I'm not including the prototypes.

Lexington:
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2F2%2F2b%2FUSS_Lexington.jpg&hash=45530851009be96e99943db65f3e2e0d8d9c0898)

Furious:
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2Fa%2Fab%2FHMS_Furious-15.jpg&hash=72dd2822bedd4d4b1c47b7be71169b10761feae6)

Glorious:
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fww2today.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2010%2F02%2Fhms_glorious.jpg&hash=82a3e704604d7256efb46a94abab8180b8e5a0d2)

Eagle:
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.historyofwar.org%2FPictures%2FHMSEagle.jpg&hash=984bb93243d9abd7a1de6f5d1f4c7e154209bdcc)

Hermes:
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2F7%2F7c%2FHMS_Hermes_%252895%2529_off_Yantai_China_c1931.jpeg&hash=da3bb04f1be4e7af85c1f417864439e396f690e0)

Akagi:
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2F2%2F2e%2FJapaneseAircraftCarrierAkagi3Deck_cropped.jpg&hash=3f1510876ae53e4671b02bfcdb5fce9ecea33429)

Kaga:
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2F9%2F90%2FKaga_Ikari_1930_B.jpg&hash=e4083a59560690aa8aa0c98edd33d70847ef2114)

Béarn:
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2F8%2F8b%2FCV_Bearn_NAN-5-63.jpg&hash=b4e004b50a34b44b0ee49c257aad3b78c13463ee)
Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: MadImmortalMan on February 21, 2014, 11:13:26 PM
Depends how they look dressed as little girls.
Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: Neil on February 21, 2014, 11:19:58 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on February 21, 2014, 11:13:26 PM
Depends how they look dressed as little girls.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fkazasou.files.wordpress.com%2F2013%2F12%2Fkonachan-com-173982-2girls-akagi_kancolle-black_hair-bow_weapon-brown_eyes-food-gloves-infinote-japanese_clothes-kaga_kancolle-long_hair-ponytail-weapon.jpg&hash=43f6355edeaa2b3742669e39dca4787f9666877b)
Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: 11B4V on February 22, 2014, 12:02:06 AM
USN FTW
Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: Barrister on February 22, 2014, 12:02:42 AM
:bleeding:
Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: Neil on February 22, 2014, 12:05:51 AM
Carriers aren't that bad Beeb.
Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: Barrister on February 22, 2014, 12:30:08 AM
Quote from: Neil on February 22, 2014, 12:05:51 AM
Carriers aren't that bad Beeb.

If it aint the Bonaventure, then yes they are.
Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: CountDeMoney on February 22, 2014, 01:26:31 AM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on February 21, 2014, 11:13:26 PM
Depends how they look dressed as little girls.

(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcf.geekdo-images.com%2Fimages%2Fpic1936774_md.jpg&hash=e4de00fdf52f37af96b69f7ba4879efc811f3c6a)
Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: katmai on February 22, 2014, 01:27:58 AM
Who are you and what did you do with Neil?
Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: CountDeMoney on February 22, 2014, 01:29:26 AM
Don't be fooled, Kat.  You know this is all Washington Naval Treaty fappitude for him.
Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: The Brain on February 22, 2014, 02:07:47 AM
Kaga. More girl power vibe.
Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: Lettow77 on February 22, 2014, 02:32:34 AM
In terms of personality, Kaga is very cool and professional without much in the way of expressed emotion, while Akagi is more feminine, although she is decidedly confident. She also hideously understates her own extensive repair times and fuel consumption.

Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: The Brain on February 22, 2014, 02:47:36 AM
 :D
Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: Lettow77 on February 22, 2014, 02:50:00 AM
To answer the question though, I prefer the IJN Houshou. She is a more mothering, model-housewife type carrier who is experienced and supportive of the more energetic, more capable carriers that demand so much attention.

(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Flivedoor.blogimg.jp%2Flovelive2015-kantai%2Fimgs%2F0%2F1%2F018f1c4a.jpg&hash=13dfe2b02e248b90efa24aee837125024356e3cf)
Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: Monoriu on February 22, 2014, 03:33:10 AM
I surrender.  Even though I find it weird, I'm going to watch the anime show when it comes out.  K?
Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: dps on February 22, 2014, 07:29:12 AM
Lexington class.  Even though a lot of early carriers had 8" guns, only the Lexingtons had them in turrents.
Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: Viking on February 22, 2014, 07:46:20 AM
Lexington with Kaga and Akagi as close seconds.


anyways, What about USS Ranger?, the first keel up fleet carrier, as opposed to converted BB or BC or a test of concept ship. 
Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: grumbler on February 22, 2014, 07:48:06 AM
I'm going with Kaga; the others mostly look like they were designed.  Kaga looks like someone left a hull in an alley and a bunch of homeless people built flat-topped housing projects rather haphazardly on the hull.
Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: Monoriu on February 22, 2014, 08:47:13 AM
Yeah, based on looks alone, I'd vote for Kaga as well.  The others look like serious designs.  Kaga has a very "anime" look.  I particularly like the 3 big AA guns that point toward the sky, for some reason. 
Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: celedhring on February 22, 2014, 08:54:48 AM
Aye, voted for the Kaga for how freaky and irrational it looks.
Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: Ed Anger on February 22, 2014, 09:21:05 AM
Quote from: grumbler on February 22, 2014, 07:48:06 AM
I'm going with Kaga; the others mostly look like they were designed.  Kaga looks like someone left a hull in an alley and a bunch of homeless people built flat-topped housing projects rather haphazardly on the hull.

:lol:
Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: DontSayBanana on February 22, 2014, 09:46:53 AM
Kaga, based on the fact that it looks like some dystopian floating colony.  Probably one of my favorite themes in pulp science fiction.
Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: Neil on February 22, 2014, 09:50:10 AM
Quote from: Viking on February 22, 2014, 07:46:20 AM
anyways, What about USS Ranger?, the first keel up fleet carrier, as opposed to converted BB or BC or a test of concept ship.
I was focusing on 20s carriers.
Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: Maladict on February 22, 2014, 11:05:51 AM
I like the 1918 conversion of Furious, it's an aircraft carrier that still looks like a respectable warship.
But of the ones pictured, I'll go with Kaga as well.
Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: CountDeMoney on February 22, 2014, 11:41:56 AM
Quote from: grumbler on February 22, 2014, 07:48:06 AM
Kaga looks like someone left a hull in an alley and a bunch of homeless people built flat-topped housing projects rather haphazardly on the hull.

It was Dirty Mike and the boys.  Floating soup kitchen.

http://youtu.be/u1j4mK6cs_A
Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: alfred russel on February 22, 2014, 11:46:26 AM
Quote from: Lettow77 on February 22, 2014, 02:50:00 AM

(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Flivedoor.blogimg.jp%2Flovelive2015-kantai%2Fimgs%2F0%2F1%2F018f1c4a.jpg&hash=13dfe2b02e248b90efa24aee837125024356e3cf)

Japan.  :rolleyes:

The strange thing is they make such bloody good cameras.
Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: alfred russel on February 22, 2014, 11:48:13 AM
Quote from: Lettow77 on February 22, 2014, 02:50:00 AM
To answer the question though, I prefer the IJN Houshou. She is a more mothering, model-housewife type carrier who is experienced and supportive of the more energetic, more capable carriers that demand so much attention.


Lettow, I knew you would go for a Japanese carrier. Come on! We are American! Be American!  :)
Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: Neil on February 22, 2014, 11:48:27 AM
That's not surprising at all.  Their excellent cameras are a side-effect of their naval armament industry.
Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: alfred russel on February 22, 2014, 11:50:51 AM
Quote from: Neil on February 22, 2014, 11:48:27 AM
That's not surprising at all.  Their excellent cameras are a side-effect of their naval armament industry.

I was making a Dr. Strangelove reference.  :P
Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: Neil on February 22, 2014, 11:53:43 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on February 22, 2014, 11:48:13 AM
Quote from: Lettow77 on February 22, 2014, 02:50:00 AM
To answer the question though, I prefer the IJN Houshou. She is a more mothering, model-housewife type carrier who is experienced and supportive of the more energetic, more capable carriers that demand so much attention.

Lettow, I knew you would go for a Japanese carrier. Come on! We are American! Be American!  :)
There's nothing wrong with appreciating a foreign warship.  Mind you, Hosho isn't in the poll, as I consider it one of the experimental ships.  Maybe I'll do another poll, although that would just be Argus, Langley and Hosho.

It's also unusual to prefer a warship because of it's anthropomorphized female avatar, but I suppose I don't really care why you prefer the ship you prefer, just that you love a warship.
Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: alfred russel on February 22, 2014, 12:00:07 PM
Quote from: Neil on February 22, 2014, 11:53:43 AM

There's nothing wrong with appreciating a foreign warship.  Mind you, Hosho isn't in the poll, as I consider it one of the experimental ships.  Maybe I'll do another poll, although that would just be Argus, Langley and Hosho.

It's also unusual to prefer a warship because of it's anthropomorphized female avatar, but I suppose I don't really care why you prefer the ship you prefer, just that you love a warship.

I agree--I wouldn't expect that all Americans go for an American carrier, and there is nothing wrong with picking a Japanese carrier.

However, I think most of us knew Lettow was going to go for a Japanese carrier. If you always go for the Japanese and you aren't Japanese, something isn't right.
Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: Neil on February 22, 2014, 12:23:53 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on February 22, 2014, 12:00:07 PM
Quote from: Neil on February 22, 2014, 11:53:43 AM
There's nothing wrong with appreciating a foreign warship.  Mind you, Hosho isn't in the poll, as I consider it one of the experimental ships.  Maybe I'll do another poll, although that would just be Argus, Langley and Hosho.

It's also unusual to prefer a warship because of it's anthropomorphized female avatar, but I suppose I don't really care why you prefer the ship you prefer, just that you love a warship.
I agree--I wouldn't expect that all Americans go for an American carrier, and there is nothing wrong with picking a Japanese carrier.

However, I think most of us knew Lettow was going to go for a Japanese carrier. If you always go for the Japanese and you aren't Japanese, something isn't right.
Given his criteria, perhaps if they were to anthropomorphize some US warships, it might give him some other choices.  Although he might still choose the Japanese ship, just because he's fetishized an idealized version of their culture.  Still, before he got really heavily into anime, he might have made a different choice.
Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: CountDeMoney on February 22, 2014, 12:42:56 PM
Quote from: Neil on February 22, 2014, 11:53:43 AM
It's also unusual to prefer a warship because of it's anthropomorphized female avatar, but I suppose I don't really care why you prefer the ship you prefer, just that you love a warship.

While all ships are vessels and therefore have always been represented as feminine imagery despite their roles in warfare, I can see Lettow's attraction to the Hosho and its motherly role as a training ship with auxiliary support duties throughout the war, considering his own his personal relationship with his mother and how it has colored his approach and subsequent relationships with women.

Personally, I would've picked Lettow for a Ryuho fanboi.  Submarine tenders have more maternal traits attached to them, and combined with the obvious incestuous sexual imagery, it would fit Lettow like a glove.  A warm, stroking, maternal glove of comfort and service, below the waterline and away from the world's judgmental glare.  As it were.
Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: 11B4V on February 22, 2014, 12:57:37 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 22, 2014, 12:42:56 PM


While all ships are vessels and therefore have always been represented as feminine imagery despite their roles in warfare, I can see Lettow's attraction to the Hosho and its motherly role as a training ship with auxiliary support duties throughout the war, considering his own his personal relationship with his mother and how it has colored his approach and subsequent relationships with women.



Release Seedy you evil doppelganger.  :mad:
Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: CountDeMoney on February 22, 2014, 01:02:41 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on February 22, 2014, 12:57:37 PM
Release Seedy you evil doppelganger.  :mad:

Hey man, I'm a fast attack power projection kind of guy, whether it's immediately going on the offensive in the Marshalls to projecting multiple CVBGs into the North Sea to prosecute air strikes into the Kola Peninsula.   

Re: my approach and subsequent relationships with women, I'm Bull Halsey with TF 8. :P
Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: Agelastus on February 22, 2014, 01:19:44 PM
Quote from: dps on February 22, 2014, 07:29:12 AM
Lexington class.  Even though a lot of early carriers had 8" guns, only the Lexingtons had them in turrents.

Kaga has a pair of turrets - either side of the upper forward flying off deck!

I thought Akagi did too, but I can't see them. :hmm:

I must admit I have to vote for Lexington too, though; not only is she the best design but also the most stylish looking (apart from the shudderworthy funnel, of course.)

--------------

Neil, I thought Furious was normally classed as an experimental carrier? Hermes as well? They're in the same category as Hosho, Argus and Langley in the WNT, aren't they?

Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: DontSayBanana on February 22, 2014, 01:32:46 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 22, 2014, 12:42:56 PM
While all ships are vessels and therefore have always been represented as feminine imagery despite their roles in warfare, I can see Lettow's attraction to the Hosho and its motherly role as a training ship with auxiliary support duties throughout the war, considering his own his personal relationship with his mother and how it has colored his approach and subsequent relationships with women.

Personally, I would've picked Lettow for a Ryuho fanboi.  Submarine tenders have more maternal traits attached to them, and combined with the obvious incestuous sexual imagery, it would fit Lettow like a glove.  A warm, stroking, maternal glove of comfort and service, below the waterline and away from the world's judgmental glare.  As it were.

Apparently, your thought processes differ widely from the creators of Kantai Collection:

http://kancolle.wikia.com/wiki/Ryuujou
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffc05.deviantart.net%2Ffs70%2Ff%2F2013%2F266%2F5%2F5%2Fryuujou_by_hiraki_ajino-d6nisre.jpg&hash=0a7c6ca353ff378e6d480af06c41c4cf223d409f)
Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: Capetan Mihali on February 22, 2014, 02:22:34 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 22, 2014, 12:42:56 PM
Quote from: Neil on February 22, 2014, 11:53:43 AM
It's also unusual to prefer a warship because of it's anthropomorphized female avatar, but I suppose I don't really care why you prefer the ship you prefer, just that you love a warship.

While all ships are vessels and therefore have always been represented as feminine imagery despite their roles in warfare, I can see Lettow's attraction to the Hosho and its motherly role as a training ship with auxiliary support duties throughout the war, considering his own his personal relationship with his mother and how it has colored his approach and subsequent relationships with women.

Personally, I would've picked Lettow for a Ryuho fanboi.  Submarine tenders have more maternal traits attached to them, and combined with the obvious incestuous sexual imagery, it would fit Lettow like a glove.  A warm, stroking, maternal glove of comfort and service, below the waterline and away from the world's judgmental glare.  As it were.

:lol: ^_^ As it were.
Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on February 22, 2014, 05:43:33 PM
Lexington.  Guns and armor FTW.  Plus, I have that picture as a refrigerator magnet. :P
Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: dps on February 22, 2014, 05:46:27 PM
Quote from: Neil on February 22, 2014, 11:53:43 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on February 22, 2014, 11:48:13 AM
Quote from: Lettow77 on February 22, 2014, 02:50:00 AM
To answer the question though, I prefer the IJN Houshou. She is a more mothering, model-housewife type carrier who is experienced and supportive of the more energetic, more capable carriers that demand so much attention.

Lettow, I knew you would go for a Japanese carrier. Come on! We are American! Be American!  :)
There's nothing wrong with appreciating a foreign warship.  Mind you, Hosho isn't in the poll, as I consider it one of the experimental ships.  Maybe I'll do another poll, although that would just be Argus, Langley and Hosho.

Given those 3 choices, I'd go with the Argus.
Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: CountDeMoney on February 22, 2014, 05:58:17 PM
Well, I certainly spooged.

(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic1.wikia.nocookie.net%2F__cb20130910200514%2Fkancolle%2Fimages%2F9%2F9c%2F061M.jpg&hash=8242ba328e6d8863cbc278e0a868615035e626b7)(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic4.wikia.nocookie.net%2F__cb20130910193925%2Fkancolle%2Fimages%2F6%2F6b%2F060M.jpg&hash=cdd73f3f2f4892990223e0d98a03d08c3b2639d9)


If only they had to fight off nasty tentacled demons in various stages of undress and bound penetration.  You know, like at Leyte.

Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: CountDeMoney on February 22, 2014, 06:11:42 PM
That's an Imperial Japanese Navy uniform, right?  What is that, Ensign or WO?  Pretty sure one thick stripe is Ensign.


(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.animevice.com%2Fuploads%2F1%2F18405%2F563760-tentacle_rape.png&hash=04cdc6dd391ad3757f449750897e4607cbc76992)
Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: Ed Anger on February 22, 2014, 06:33:20 PM
I have a wet spot on my trousers.
Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: katmai on February 22, 2014, 06:49:39 PM
Someone needs Depends already?!? :o
Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: Ed Anger on February 22, 2014, 07:43:52 PM
Quote from: katmai on February 22, 2014, 06:49:39 PM
Someone needs Depends already?!? :o

That is for later tonight. :perv:
Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: Admiral Yi on February 22, 2014, 08:09:04 PM
Nott hott
Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: garbon on February 22, 2014, 08:09:28 PM
So when does CdM add himself to his list?
Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: 11B4V on February 22, 2014, 08:24:20 PM
Quote from: garbon on February 22, 2014, 08:09:28 PM
So when does CdM add himself to his list?

That's not Seedy. Tim took seedy.
Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: Ideologue on February 23, 2014, 09:25:41 PM
Kaga, though I feel like my favorite is be unduly biased toward the number and type of aircraft carried.
Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: Iormlund on February 23, 2014, 10:07:08 PM
How can the Lexington be winning with that funnel? Languish ...  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: Ed Anger on February 23, 2014, 10:07:48 PM
Quote from: Iormlund on February 23, 2014, 10:07:08 PM
How can the Lexington be winning with that funnel? Languish ...  :rolleyes:

Lady Lex has a nice backside.
Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: CountDeMoney on February 23, 2014, 10:08:38 PM
Quote from: Iormlund on February 23, 2014, 10:07:08 PM
How can the Lexington be winning with that funnel? Languish ...  :rolleyes:

No shit, you'd think they'd be all about the Akagi's courtesy funnel.
Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: alfred russel on February 23, 2014, 10:19:40 PM
Quote from: Iormlund on February 23, 2014, 10:07:08 PM
How can the Lexington be winning with that funnel? Languish ...  :rolleyes:

I probably know less about this stuff than anyone here, but I think the British carriers can be disqualified because they were effectively dysfunctional. They put so much armor on those things they could hardly hold any planes.

If it is a beauty contest between the Lexington and the Japanese, I think the Lexington holds its own, and if practical considerations come into play, it wins.
Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: Scipio on February 23, 2014, 10:57:15 PM
Lexington. Best name, best design, and fundamentally not infantilizable.
Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: grumbler on February 24, 2014, 07:24:03 AM
Quote from: Iormlund on February 23, 2014, 10:07:08 PM
How can the Lexington be winning with that funnel? Languish ...  :rolleyes:

You obviously aren't paying attention to the competition, if you think Lex has a relatively ugly funnel:
Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: Lettow77 on February 24, 2014, 07:43:07 AM
 Since seedy was a fan of the Atago, sharing a personal favorite picture seemed appropriate.

(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcs.sankakucomplex.com%2Fdata%2Fb1%2F7a%2Fb17a4458989c1e79b9ff5fb97f0f6912.jpg%3F3543938&hash=d0961db681a1077014c5d3a953a5fe07a98d8cba)
Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: celedhring on February 24, 2014, 07:46:48 AM
Quote from: grumbler on February 24, 2014, 07:24:03 AM
Quote from: Iormlund on February 23, 2014, 10:07:08 PM
How can the Lexington be winning with that funnel? Languish ...  :rolleyes:

You obviously aren't paying attention to the competition, if you think Lex has a relatively ugly funnel:

Besides the sideways funnel, my other favorite feature of those Japanese carriers is that ultra-short (and thus useless) medium flight deck lodged between the two main ones.
Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: grumbler on February 24, 2014, 07:51:40 AM
Quote from: celedhring on February 24, 2014, 07:46:48 AM
Besides the sideways funnel, my other favorite feature of those Japanese carriers is that ultra-short (and thus useless) medium flight deck lodged between the two main ones.

There was a five-minute period on the 4th of April 1928 when that middle flight deck was able to launch operational Japanese naval aircraft.
Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: KRonn on February 24, 2014, 08:29:11 AM
Voted Lexington. I like the design of US carriers and that one is a bit unique being an earlier one and built on a converted cruiser hull, if I remember that right.
Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: Neil on February 24, 2014, 08:39:15 AM
I like exotic funnels.  Hell, that's one reason why I voted for Akagi.
Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: Neil on February 24, 2014, 08:53:03 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on February 23, 2014, 10:19:40 PM
Quote from: Iormlund on February 23, 2014, 10:07:08 PM
How can the Lexington be winning with that funnel? Languish ...  :rolleyes:
I probably know less about this stuff than anyone here, but I think the British carriers can be disqualified because they were effectively dysfunctional. They put so much armor on those things they could hardly hold any planes.

If it is a beauty contest between the Lexington and the Japanese, I think the Lexington holds its own, and if practical considerations come into play, it wins.
It the Lexington more practical than Akagi or Kaga?

These RN carriers were the early ones, before the massively armoured flight decks of the Illustrious-class (which wasn't such a bad idea, really).  The RN carriers had smaller air groups even then, but that's because they were 10-25,000-ton ships, whereas the Americans and Japanese had built 45,000-ton carriers.
Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: Capetan Mihali on February 24, 2014, 08:59:11 AM
Béarn.  :frog:
Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: Siege on February 25, 2014, 12:07:43 AM
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Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: Siege on February 25, 2014, 12:11:32 AM
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Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: Monoriu on February 25, 2014, 03:34:54 AM
I don't understand about this entire Ship Girls thing.  So far there is no anime show on this, no overall plot or story.  The idea of having moe girls represent WWII Imperial Japanese warships is widely considered weird (and I agree).  There is only some sort of online card game out.  So far all I've seen is a few pictures, and some vague descriptions of a few individual girls.  That's it.

Yet it seems to be immensely popular, and even non-anime watchers have noticed it. 
Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: Syt on February 25, 2014, 03:44:20 AM
There's a big wiki on those and my take-away is that at the moment it's an online card game where players collect/buy cards to defeat aliens?

The number of classes included is pretty extensive, though. Possibly better than HoI3's? :P

http://kancolle.wikia.com/wiki/Ship_Class

Though the subs are creepy.
Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: Lettow77 on February 25, 2014, 04:11:52 AM
To call it an online cardgame is slightly misleading, in that you don't really  have either a deck or much in the way of plays. The kanmusu are represented as cards, but its mostly just a grindy free-to-play game. Its popularity means you can find goods for it in convenience stores, manga has been released, and its getting an anime.

Mono, this sort of thing isnt isolated at all; touhou is extremely similar. A lack of anime and strong characterization can be a huge boon if a series picks up a thriving doujin community and fanon continuity. Most of the personality of the ships is hivemind concensus extrapolating on small details; its more in the hands of the players than the barebones game content.
Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: Monoriu on February 25, 2014, 04:59:31 AM
Quote from: Lettow77 on February 25, 2014, 04:11:52 AM
To call it an online cardgame is slightly misleading, in that you don't really  have either a deck or much in the way of plays. The kanmusu are represented as cards, but its mostly just a grindy free-to-play game. Its popularity means you can find goods for it in convenience stores, manga has been released, and its getting an anime.

Mono, this sort of thing isnt isolated at all; touhou is extremely similar. A lack of anime and strong characterization can be a huge boon if a series picks up a thriving doujin community and fanon continuity. Most of the personality of the ships is hivemind concensus extrapolating on small details; its more in the hands of the players than the barebones game content.

I am pretty much anime only.  Don't have time for the source materials or fanon.

I will watch the anime when it comes out, just to see what the fuss is all about.  Hopefully it'll be as good as Strike Witches.  Less fanservice this time, please.  A bit surprised that so far I only see Japanese warships.  So it isn't a grand alliance of earth nations vs aliens like Strike Witches? 

My impression is that anime first shows can be very good or very bad.  If they are not restrained by the source material and don't have to be concerned about the inevitable comparisons, they can do a really good job, like Evangelion, Anohana, Code Geass and Madoka.  The popularity of the successful game should convince investors to put in a sufficiently large animation budget. 
Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: Lettow77 on February 25, 2014, 05:15:04 AM
AnoHana good? Do what now?

Besides that though, stifle your hopes. It is being animated by diomedea. The odds of this being a good anime seems very remote.
Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: Monoriu on February 25, 2014, 05:23:15 AM
Quote from: Lettow77 on February 25, 2014, 05:15:04 AM
AnoHana good? Do what now?

Besides that though, stifle your hopes. It is being animated by diomedea. The odds of this being a good anime seems very remote.

I love Anohana.  One of the best shows out there.  Former friends rediscovering friendships that have long been set aside.  I am a huge sucker for emotional, hardhitting and tearjerking anime shows.  I heard that moviegoers of the movie adaptation are each handed a box of tissue when they enter the theatres, and I can see why.  Wonderful music as well.  The Secret Base ED theme is fantastic.  Lovely performances by Ai Kayano and Haruka Tomatsu.  I understand that this is the star-making show for the former.  Also, top notch animation for a TV series. 
Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: grumbler on February 25, 2014, 07:20:26 AM
I blame Neil.  Once upon a time, this forum had an anime thread, and anyone that didn't care about anime could just avoid that thread.  Now, every thread becomes an anime thread.

LANGISH IZ DYING!
Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: Monoriu on February 25, 2014, 08:17:24 AM
Quote from: grumbler on February 25, 2014, 07:20:26 AM
I blame Neil.  Once upon a time, this forum had an anime thread, and anyone that didn't care about anime could just avoid that thread.  Now, every thread becomes an anime thread.

LANGISH IZ DYING!

Guilty as charged.  I'm still waiting for someone to start an anime thread.  Or to resurrect the old ones. 
Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: celedhring on February 25, 2014, 08:46:16 AM
Quote from: Siege on February 25, 2014, 12:07:43 AM
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I hope these ladies enjoy the scuba-diving at Midway.
Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: Neil on February 25, 2014, 09:09:34 AM
The ones that are Shokaku and Zuikaku don't ever go to Midway.
Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: celedhring on February 25, 2014, 05:03:03 PM
Since this is the current anime thread, I'll say that I just started watching Legend of the Galactic Heroes and, well, it's pretty damn great.
Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: Monoriu on February 25, 2014, 07:15:25 PM
Quote from: celedhring on February 25, 2014, 05:03:03 PM
Since this is the current anime thread, I'll say that I just started watching Legend of the Galactic Heroes and, well, it's pretty damn great.

It is.  I watched it over and over again when I was in university.  At 162 episodes and 3/4 movies (depends on if you count the movie version of Disgrace), it is a bit lengthy for some.  But it is well-worth the time.  Serious fleet battles in space.  No mechas, no genetically modified invincible pilots, no time travel, no fanservice.   
Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: Neil on February 25, 2014, 07:37:03 PM
Start your own anime thread.  This thread is for warship-worship.
Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: Ed Anger on February 25, 2014, 08:22:04 PM
I like Spanish American war warships better. The Olympia? :swoon:
Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: Neil on February 25, 2014, 09:13:44 PM
You know, I never got all the American love for the Olympia.  I mean, sure she was the flagship in a very one-sided battle in a colonial war, but you don't see the British having the same attitude towards the ships which won the First Opium War.
Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: Ed Anger on February 25, 2014, 09:14:36 PM
Quote from: Neil on February 25, 2014, 09:13:44 PM
You know, I never got all the American love for the Olympia.  I mean, sure she was the flagship in a very one-sided battle in a colonial war, but you don't see the British having the same attitude towards the ships which won the First Opium War.

We kicked the dago in the nuts by jingo!
Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: CountDeMoney on February 25, 2014, 09:16:40 PM
Sad part about the Spanish Navy is how much more flammable it was.
Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: Admiral Yi on February 25, 2014, 09:18:04 PM
Quote from: Neil on February 25, 2014, 09:13:44 PM
You know, I never got all the American love for the Olympia.  I mean, sure she was the flagship in a very one-sided battle in a colonial war, but you don't see the British having the same attitude towards the ships which won the First Opium War.

The British fought that war with sloops.  How jacked up can you get about a sloop?
Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: Ed Anger on February 25, 2014, 09:18:43 PM
Hang on Sloopy.
Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: CountDeMoney on February 25, 2014, 09:20:18 PM
Sloops and slopes.  Like shirts and skins, only not.
Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: grumbler on February 26, 2014, 11:33:37 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 25, 2014, 09:20:18 PM
Sloops and slopes.  Like shirts and skins, only not.
:pinch:
Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: Maladict on February 26, 2014, 12:04:22 PM
Quote from: Neil on February 25, 2014, 09:13:44 PM
You know, I never got all the American love for the Olympia.  I mean, sure she was the flagship in a very one-sided battle in a colonial war, but you don't see the British having the same attitude towards the ships which won the First Opium War.

If they had, they might have preserved one.  :(
Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: Siege on February 26, 2014, 07:29:52 PM
Have anybody here played the REARM mod for Homeworld 2?
That picture I posted above looks amazing.

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Title: Re: Which early carrier do you like best?
Post by: Siege on February 26, 2014, 07:33:01 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 25, 2014, 09:20:18 PM
Sloops and slopes.  Like shirts and skins, only not.

Sloops?

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