If this is true... wow. Alot of people are skeptical because he doesn't look like he's in poor health... not emaciated, no massive skin damage due to sun overexposure, etc.
QuoteMarshall Islands castaway? Man says he survived 13 months adrift in Pacific
By Nick Perry, Associated Press / February 3, 2014
It's a story that almost defies belief: A man leaves Mexico in December 2012 for a day of shark fishing and ends up surviving 13 months on fish, birds and turtles before washing ashore on the remote Marshall Islands some 5,500 miles (8,800 kilometers) away.
But that's the story a man identifying himself as 37-year-old Jose Salvador Alvarenga told the U.S. ambassador in the Marshall Islands and the nation's officials during a 30-minute meeting Monday before he was taken to a local hospital for monitoring. Alvarenga washed ashore on the tiny atoll of Ebon in the Pacific Ocean last week before being taken to the capital, Majuro, on Monday.
"It's hard for me to imagine someone surviving 13 months at sea," said Ambassador Tom Armbruster in Majuro. "But it's also hard to imagine how someone might arrive on Ebon out of the blue. Certainly this guy has had an ordeal, and has been at sea for some time."
Other officials were reacting cautiously to the Spanish-speaking man's story while they try to piece together more information. If true, the man's ordeal would rank among the greatest tales ever of survival at sea.
Armbruster said the soft-spoken man complained of joint pain Monday and had a limp but was able to walk. He had long hair and a beard, the ambassador said, and rather than appearing emaciated he looked puffy in places, including around his ankles. Otherwise, he added, Alvarenga seemed in reasonable health.
Armbruster, who speaks Spanish, said the survivor told the following story:
He's a native of El Salvador but has lived in Mexico for 15 years and fishes for a man he knows as Willie, catching sharks for 25 pesos ($1.90) per pound.
On Dec. 21, 2012, Alvarenga left Mexico in his 23 foot (7 meter) fiberglass boat for a day's fishing, accompanied by a teen he knew only as Ezekiel, who was between 15 and 18.
A storm blew the fishermen off course, and soon they were lost and adrift.
"He talked about scooping up little fish that swam alongside the boat and eating them raw," Armbruster said. "He also said he ate birds, and drank birds' blood."
After about a month, Ezekiel died, the survivor told officials.
Alvarenga also talked about eating turtles. Once near Ebon, he swam ashore.
"He thanked God, initially, that he had survived," the ambassador said. "He's very anxious to get back in touch with his employer, and also with the family of Ezekiel. That's his driving motivation at the moment."
Armbruster said the man said he had no family in Mexico but he does have three brothers who live in the U.S., although he could not immediately provide officials with contact details.
Gee Bing, the acting secretary of foreign affairs for the Marshall Islands, said he was somewhat skeptical of Alvarenga's account after meeting with him Monday.
"It does sound like an incredible story and I'm not sure if I believe his story," Bing said. "When we saw him, he was not really thin compared to other survivors in the past. I may have some doubts. Once we start communicating with where he's from, we'll be able to find out more information."
Bing said the man had no identification with him and other details of his story remained sketchy, including the exact location of his departure from Mexico.
The survivor's vital signs appeared good except that his blood pressure was a bit low, Bing said. After doctors give him the all-clear, Bing said, officials hope to repatriate him to Mexico or whatever country is appropriate. Bing said the Mexican ambassador in the Philippines, Julio Camarena, has been involved in the case. Camarena could not be contacted immediately.
Erik van Sebille, a Sydney-based oceanographer at the University of New South Wales, said there was a good chance a boat drifting off Mexico's west coast would eventually be carried by currents to the Marshall Islands. He said such a journey would typically take 18 months to two years depending on the winds and currents, although 13 months was possible.
"The way that the currents in the Pacific work is that there is a very strong westerly current just north of the equator and that basically drives you directly from Mexico all the way toward Indonesia and in the path, you go right over the Marshall Islands," he said.
There have been other cases of people surviving for months adrift in the Pacific. In a case with similarities, three Mexican shark fishermen in 2006 said they were lost at sea for nine months before being rescued near the Marshall Islands. In 1989, four men survived nearly four months in the Pacific Ocean near New Zealand after their multi-hulled boat capsized.
QuoteDec. 21, 2012
Chose to go fishing for the end of the world.
Next time stay on the Atlantic side.
This is a pretty interesting story. It seems unlikely to me that this is a complete hoax, since the atoll he turned up on is really remote.... it appears to have an airport but it looks more like a simple airstrip on Google Earth.
Apparently there are now a bunch of Salvadorans living in Maryland who claim this guy is their long-lost relative, though it seems they'd lost contact with him years before he claims to have gotten lost at sea.
QuoteHe's a native of El Salvador but has lived in Mexico for 15 years and fishes for a man he knows as Willie, catching sharks for 25 pesos ($1.90) per pound.
Cute. Fucking Chinese.
QuoteAfter about a month, Ezekiel died, the survivor told officials.
Alvarenga also talked about eating turtles named Ezekiel.
Also, Robert Redford is a pussy.
Quote from: Caliga on February 03, 2014, 08:51:37 PM
It seems unlikely to me that this is a complete hoax, since the atoll he turned up on is really remote.... it appears to have an airport but it looks more like a simple airstrip on Google Earth.
What would be the point if it were a hoax?
He's probably just gone crazy from the isolation.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 03, 2014, 09:49:55 PM
Quote from: Caliga on February 03, 2014, 08:51:37 PM
It seems unlikely to me that this is a complete hoax, since the atoll he turned up on is really remote.... it appears to have an airport but it looks more like a simple airstrip on Google Earth.
What would be the point if it were a hoax?
Media attention, perhaps.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 03, 2014, 09:59:53 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 03, 2014, 09:49:55 PM
What would be the point if it were a hoax?
Media attention, perhaps.
Obviously to draw attention away from Benghazi.
But did he have a tiger?
The bar has been raised, my friend.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 03, 2014, 08:59:03 PM
QuoteHe's a native of El Salvador but has lived in Mexico for 15 years and fishes for a man he knows as Willie, catching sharks for 25 pesos ($1.90) per pound.
Cute. Fucking Chinese.
Sharks get eaten too, if he was fishing for the fins he'd be getting much more money.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 03, 2014, 09:49:55 PM
Quote from: Caliga on February 03, 2014, 08:51:37 PM
It seems unlikely to me that this is a complete hoax, since the atoll he turned up on is really remote.... it appears to have an airport but it looks more like a simple airstrip on Google Earth.
What would be the point if it were a hoax?
Cover up a possible murder. He claimed he was not alone on the boat to begin with.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 03, 2014, 09:49:55 PM
Quote from: Caliga on February 03, 2014, 08:51:37 PM
It seems unlikely to me that this is a complete hoax, since the atoll he turned up on is really remote.... it appears to have an airport but it looks more like a simple airstrip on Google Earth.
What would be the point if it were a hoax?
I don't know, but people were claiming it had to be a hoax because he looks 'fat', isn't sunburned enough, etc. I guess I can see someone hoaxing that sort of thing for the fame but like I said, the place where he turned up is in the middle of nowhere so he would have had to go to a hell of a lot of trouble to get there under any circumstances.
QuoteFaith and fish: Castaway recounts how he survived 13 months adrift in Pacific
By Mariano Castillo and Jethro Mullen, CNN
updated 1:43 PM EST, Tue February 4, 2014
Majuro, Marshall Islands (CNN) -- It's an alleged true-life story that trumps Hollywood's latest castaway tale.
Thirteen months adrift at sea (maybe more). Thousands of miles traveled. Survival with only what nature and the elements provided.
Jose Salvador Alvarenga washed up on a remote coral atoll in the Marshall Islands last week in a heavily damaged boat. He said he had been living off fish and turtles he had caught and relying on rainwater, and sometimes his own urine, to drink.
He said he had been lost at sea for 13 months, after setting off from southern Mexico -- thousands of miles to the east. Many questions remain about how he could have lived on his small boat for so long as it drifted across the ocean.
Scientifically, his ordeal is plausible. But is it probable?
Alvarenga told CNN in an exclusive interview that he left from a port called Paredon Viejo in Mexico's Chiapas state in December 2012.
A Mexican newspaper visited the nearby hamlet where Alvarenga lived near Mexico's Pacific Coast. Local fishermen there say they remember Alvarenga, and the day he went to sea and didn't come back.
They recall the date of departure being in November, a month earlier than the castaway remembers.
Three boats went looking for him and his boat companion. The state sent an airplane to search for him.
"It is a great surprise," fisherman Belarmino Rodriguez Solis told El Universal newspaper. "Nobody survives more than three or four months in those conditions. We even put flowers in the little thatched-roof house where he lived."
Who is this man?
Authorities are trying to determine the veracity of Alvarenga's story. The Mexican government has confirmed his identity and says he is a Salvadoran national who was living in the city of Tonala. The local fishermen told El Universal he actually lived nearby at a place called Pijijiapan.
Julio Camarena Villasenor, the Mexican ambassador to the Philippines, said Tuesday that Alvarenga is still recovering in a hospital in the Marshall Islands after being found in a "weak state of mind and health."
He'll be repatriated to El Salvador as soon as possible, once he is medically cleared to travel and has the correct documentation, the ambassador said. No time frame for the repatriation has been established yet.
Castaway's tale
How did a man survive such an ordeal -- as Alvarenga describes -- in a boat about the length of three people and the width of one person?
He pointed upward and said, "God. ... My faith in God."
"I thought, 'I am going to get out,' " he said. "Get out, get out, get out."
But he also admitted to dark moments, saying he considered killing himself.
"Twice I wanted to," he said, as he gestured at slitting his throat. "I wanted to with a knife. When I didn't have water, food; I gave up and I grabbed a knife."
But he says he was too "scared" to go through with it.
Losing his companion
Alvarenga says he left for what was supposed to be a one-day trip to catch sharks on December 21, 2012.
By his account, he and his teenage companion had already killed some sharks and had 400 kilograms (about 880 pounds) of the animals on the boat.
But they would not have the shark meat to survive.
"We threw it into the water. It was too much weight, and there was too much wind," he said. "Three days later, we wish we had what we had thrown away. We wanted to eat it, but the sea had already taken it away."
Alvarenga said that he and his companion were blown off course by northerly winds and then caught in a storm, eventually losing use of their engines.
They had no radio signal to report their plight, he said.
According to Anjenette Kattil of the Marshall Islands Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Alvarenga said that four weeks into their drift, he lost the young man because he refused to eat raw birds. There are no details yet on what Alvarenga did with the young man's body.
In his interview with CNN, the castaway mentioned his companion only in passing, saying he believed that the boy's parents knew he was missing.
Lost at sea
During his long period at sea, Alvarenga said he lost track of the date and the day of the week.
He would follow the sun's path across the sky, he said, indicating the movement with his hands as he spoke.
"I didn't know the date or the day -- only the hours. Only that there was a sunset and a sunrise, nothing else," he said.
When there was no rain, he would resort to consuming his own urine, he said.
"Then it rained, oh, what happiness!" Alvarenga said.
The boat itself was a container to collect the precious rainwater.
He also ate sea turtles. "They would bang the boat -- boom, boom, boom -- and I would get up" and grab them from the water, he said.
Finding land
After 13 or 14 months at sea, Alvarenga says, the boat finally reached shore.
He swam to land and spent a night in the woods. He said he didn't have the energy to climb up the coconut trees he saw but was excited to eat a coconut he found on the ground.
The next morning, according to Alvarenga, he walked and found a small house and started shouting. A man and woman came to him, he said.
"I took them to see the boat, because they didn't understand me," Alvarenga said.
He gave them the boat as a gift, he said.
'Much better shape' than expected
Alvarenga was found on sparsely populated Ebon Atoll, a 22-hour boat ride from the Marshall Islands capital of Majuro, on Thursday.
The southernmost of the Marshall Islands' atolls, Ebon has only 2.2 square miles of land, one phone line and no Internet service. The government airplane that services the atoll was not working, so Alvarenga did not make it to Majuro until Monday morning.
People on the island where he was found Thursday say the 26-foot fiberglass boat was in very bad condition, covered in barnacles and with the carcasses of several turtles littering the deck.
Video from Majuro shows Alvarenga walking a gangplank from a government boat to a waiting ambulance. Waving to those gathered around the dock, he is supported by a medical assistant as he walks. From inside the ambulance, he gives a thumbs up before it drives away.
"He's in much better shape than one would expect after such an ordeal," said Tom Armbruster, U.S. ambassador to the Marshall Islands.
Officials don't doubt story
If Alvarenga's story proves true, the trip across the Pacific would have taken him across roughly 6,600 miles (10,800 kilometers) of open ocean before ending in the Marshall Islands, about halfway between Hawaii and Australia, in the northern Pacific.
Officials in the islands say they have no reason to doubt what he has told them so far, the Mexican ambassador said.
Such an amazing journey isn't unheard of in the small Pacific nation, as three Mexican fishermen made a similar drift voyage in 2006 that lasted nine months. Those men lived off fish they caught and rainwater, and they read the Bible for comfort.
Conditions in the Pacific make the timeline of Alvarenga's journey plausible, said Judson Jones, a producer for CNN Weather.
Jones said that given the average currents between Mexico and the Marshall Islands, it would have taken less than a year to travel from the origin to the end in the strongest average currents. If the trip did indeed take 13-1/2 months, it means his boat would have averaged about 18.6 miles (30 kilometers) a day. But Jones said a meandering journey in and out of the currents was most likely.
'We will have him back soon'
Alvarenga is from Garita Palmera in El Salvador, where CNN caught up with members of his family.
They said they hadn't heard from him in about eight years and thought he might be dead. He has a 12-year-old daughter there who doesn't remember her father.
"My heart would tell me that my son was not dead, but I wondered about it so often that I had started to lose faith," said Julia Alvarenga, his mother.
"God willing, my son is not dead. God willing, my son is alive. And we're going to see him again one day. I'm very happy after learning that he's alive and that we will have him back home soon," said his father, Ricardo.
But seeing what their son has been through also brings them feelings of sadness, he added.
"The last time we saw him, we didn't want him to go," his father said.
In the Marshall Islands, Alvarenga had this message for his family: "That I'm alive, that I'll see you soon."
Skepticism will undoubtedly follow his story as additional facts arise.
There's more to tell, he told CNN, but "I don't want to talk anymore. My head hurts. Another day, when I feel better."
Journalists Suzanne Chutaro and Jack Niedenthal reported from Majuro, Marshall Islands, and CNN's Jethro Mullen and Mariano Castillo wrote from Hong Kong and Atlanta, respectively. CNN's Brian Walker, Brad Lendon, Khushbu Shah, Radina Gigova, Rafael Romo, Gustavo Valdes and Nick Parker contributed to this report.
Quote from: Caliga on February 04, 2014, 03:14:30 PM
I don't know, but people were claiming it had to be a hoax because he looks 'fat', ...
QuoteAccording to Anjenette Kattil of the Marshall Islands Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Alvarenga said that four weeks into their drift, he lost the young man because he refused to eat raw birds. There are no details yet on what Alvarenga did with the young man's body.
'Ah yes, my companion ... such a tragic loss ... [burp] "
I'm not sure I would hold it against him if he ate the dude. People do crazy shit when they're starving to death. Hell, just the other day the gas station was out of weenies and I almost chewed my own foot off. :(
Quote from: Caliga on February 04, 2014, 03:40:41 PM
I'm not sure I would hold it against him if he ate the dude. People do crazy shit when they're starving to death. Hell, just the other day the gas station was out of weenies and I almost chewed my own foot off. :(
Yeah, but on the open ocean in tropical climates it really isn't all that feasible long term. That body is going to get nasty quickly. Actually, if he starved to death, it was probably really nasty before he died.
Quote from: alfred russel on February 04, 2014, 03:45:25 PM
Quote from: Caliga on February 04, 2014, 03:40:41 PM
I'm not sure I would hold it against him if he ate the dude. People do crazy shit when they're starving to death. Hell, just the other day the gas station was out of weenies and I almost chewed my own foot off. :(
Yeah, but on the open ocean in tropical climates it really isn't all that feasible long term. That body is going to get nasty quickly. Actually, if he starved to death, it was probably really nasty before he died.
Maybe he didn't wait for the kid to die of natural causes ... :hmm:
Quote from: Malthus on February 04, 2014, 03:49:52 PM
Maybe he didn't wait for the kid to die of natural causes ... :hmm:
If this guy really was at sea for 13 months, he had to be able to successfully get non human food. Killing a guy in order to eat his uncooked body seems a bit extreme if you weren't at the end of the line.
Groups of dehydrated sailors in lifeboats used to draw straws to see who was gonna get their blood drunk. :ph34r:
All of these poor Mexicans are providing a lot of support for theories of pre-Columbian trans-Pacific contact.
Quote from: alfred russel on February 04, 2014, 04:03:33 PM
Quote from: Malthus on February 04, 2014, 03:49:52 PM
Maybe he didn't wait for the kid to die of natural causes ... :hmm:
If this guy really was at sea for 13 months, he had to be able to successfully get non human food. Killing a guy in order to eat his uncooked body seems a bit extreme if you weren't at the end of the line.
Maybe he used pieces of the uncooked body at the end of a line... as bait.
Quote from: Grinning_Colossus on February 04, 2014, 04:46:41 PM
Groups of dehydrated sailors in lifeboats used to draw straws to see who was gonna get their blood drunk. :ph34r:
All of these poor Mexicans are providing a lot of support for theories a pre-Columbian trans-Pacific contact.
The ancient Polynesians were extremely talented sailors and navigators. I assume they made the journey to South America and/or southern North America at least once (though almost certainly accidentally). Doesn't mean the trip had any real impact on pre-Columbian culture though.
Also, a Japanese fishing boat in the mid-19th century was disabled at sea and ended up in Oregon with like 1 or 2 survivors. IIRC the boat was of a traditional design so it seems likely the Japanese could have made the trip also.
Those were truly the years of rice and salt.
Saw the piece on this guy on the news tonight. Said he survived on fish, birds and turtles. Shaded himself from the sun with a box, which he used to collect rain water.
Personally, I think he looks too damned good for 13 months at sea. Looking at his boat, there's no way that poor excuse of a freshwater low line bass boat could've weathered 13 months in the fucking Pacific through two typhoon seasons.
Quote from: Caliga on February 04, 2014, 05:21:56 PM
Also, a Japanese fishing boat in the mid-19th century was disabled at sea and ended up in Oregon with like 1 or 2 survivors. IIRC the boat was of a traditional design so it seems likely the Japanese could have made the trip also.
Yeah, unless the survivors are carrying a deadly disease those kinds of contacts are meaningless because they can't be replicated in a reliable fashion.
The Polynesians were extremely good at navigating the Pacific and finding tiny islands in it. If some Mesoamericans washed up and told them about a giant landmass to their east they would have gone looking for it, so sporadic exchange involving chickens and sweet potatoes seems more plausible.
Maybe Polynesians were really shitty at finding tiny islands and we only know about the ones that managed to do so.
I don't doubt there was some trans-oceanic travel back then, its just that there wasn't the technology to for these travels to maintain a constant flow of trade and ideas capable of influencing the cultures involved. Also, no written word to record the data.
I really hope one day we can read Minoan Linear A, and the earlier hieroglyphs.
Quote from: Caliga on February 04, 2014, 05:21:56 PM
Also, a Japanese fishing boat in the mid-19th century was disabled at sea and ended up in Oregon with like 1 or 2 survivors. IIRC the boat was of a traditional design so it seems likely the Japanese could have made the trip also.
I thought this was kind of neat.
LINK (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/australia/10575227/Kangaroo-in-400-year-old-manuscript-could-change-Australian-history.html)
QuoteA drawing of a kangaroo on a 16th century Portuguese manuscript could potentially change the world's understanding of Australia's history.
The manuscript, which is thought to date from between 1580 and 1620, appears to show a small kangaroo within the letters of its text. If the image actually is a kangaroo, the drawing suggests that Portuguese explorers may have discovered Australia before the first recorded European landing on the continent by Dutch navigator Willem Janszoon in 1606.
The document, which contains text or music for a liturgical procession, was recently acquired by the Les Enluminures Galley in New York, which has valued the item at $15,000 (£9,174). It was previously in the possession of a rare book dealer in Portugal.
Laura Light, a researcher at the gallery, told Australia's The Age newspaper that "a kangaroo or wallaby in a manuscript this early is proof that the artist of this manuscript had either been in Australia, or even more interestingly, that travellers' reports and drawings of the interesting animals found in this new world were already available in Portugal."
The text also includes the image of two half-naked men wearing crowns of leaves, which researchers believe may represent Australian aborigines.
Others, however, are not so convinced.
Dr Martin Woods of the National Library of Australia told The Age that "it could be another animal in south-east Asia, like any number of deer species, some of which stand up on their hind legs to feed of high branches".
Other researchers speculate that the manuscript may have come from slightly after Janszoon's arrival in Australia, or may date from a 1526 Portuguese voyage to Papua.
The gallery plans to display the document as part of an exhibition.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.telegraph.co.uk%2Fmultimedia%2Farchive%2F02792%2FANCIENT-KANGAROO_2792369b.jpg&hash=190f8f546edc8ca06ac841543c5c9669386db871)
That is interesting but not conclusive, it looks like a Kangaroo but not enough to be a slam dunk. The idea that it is proof the Portuguese had discovered Australia to the point they were printing images in books back in Europe seems a bit premature.
OTOH there's no doubt that the Dutch started getting shipwrecked in Western Australia way before English colonization began. In fact there was one shipwreck that led to a totally epic adventure where the crews ended up forming separate bands and fighting guerrilla wars with each other, building forts, etc. till they were finally rescued by Dutch coming down from Java. Can't remember the name of the ship at the moment but I remember reading about this once and thinking someone could make a Hollywood epic out of the story.
The third Fast and Furious movie felt like 13 months.
Quote from: Valmy on February 07, 2014, 12:19:30 AM
That is interesting but not conclusive, it looks like a Kangaroo but not enough to be a slam dunk. The idea that it is proof the Portuguese had discovered Australia to the point they were printing images in books back in Europe seems a bit premature.
I only see one image. It would be peculiar if the only person in Portugal who know that the Portuguese had discovered Australia was a monk who illustrated books.
That might just be a really crummy rabbit.
Quote from: Caliga on February 07, 2014, 11:06:34 AM
OTOH there's no doubt that the Dutch started getting shipwrecked in Western Australia way before English colonization began. In fact there was one shipwreck that led to a totally epic adventure where the crews ended up forming separate bands and fighting guerrilla wars with each other, building forts, etc. till they were finally rescued by Dutch coming down from Java. Can't remember the name of the ship at the moment but I remember reading about this once and thinking someone could make a Hollywood epic out of the story.
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Batavia :yes: