QuoteNigel Farage disowns Ukip's entire 2010 election manifesto
Ukip leader says all policies are under review and he will not commit to new ones until after European elections
theguardian.com, Thursday 23 January 2014 13.45 GMT
Nigel Farage has disowned his party's 2010 election manifesto after he was asked whether the UK Independence party still wanted to bring in a flat tax, introduce a dress code for taxi drivers, regularly deploy armed forces on the street and repaint trains in traditional colours.
The Ukip leader said all of the party's policies were under review and he would not commit to new ones until after the European elections in May this year.
Speaking on BBC2's Daily Politics, Farage pointed out he was not in charge of the party in 2010 as he was just a candidate – despite having previously led the group between 2006 and 2009.
"I don't defend the 2010 manifesto, I didn't put it together. But it will be similar in flavour [in 2015]," he said.
The MEP floundered as he was asked about the party's proposal to scrap Trident, saying he was not sure where the interviewer had got this suggestion from.
When told it was on the Ukip website, he said: "When it comes to websites, I'm not the expert."
Challenged over a compulsory dress code for taxi drivers, he said: "Do we? News to me ... look, under the last leadership and in the 2010 election we managed to present a manifesto that was 486 pages long. So you can quote me all sorts of bits of it that I will not know. That's why I've said none of it stands today and we will launch it all after the European elections."
Asking about a policy to repaint trains in traditional colours, Farage said: "I've never read that. I've no idea what you're talking about."
However, Farage said it was not "obvious nonsense" that he could cut £90bn of taxes and increase spending by £30bn, even though that would be "ambitious".
Asked for a concrete example of a policy that would be in the 2015 manifesto, the Ukip leader said he would bring back grammar schools as well as leaving the EU.
Farage was also attacked on the programme for his comments about women in the City being "worth less" to employers after they have had children.
Louise Cooper, a financial analyst, said he should be ashamed of setting back the cause of young women who might want to pursue jobs in the City, including his own daughters.
However, the Ukip leader defended his comments from a speech last week, saying the gap in pay between men and women was just "the way the world works" because of biology.
My favourite UKIP policy was their pledge to make the Circle Line a Circle again :lol:
:lmfao:
The article says Guardian, but it sounds like the Onion.
A nursery rhyme is really like a politicians speech
Makes as much sense as counting pebbles on a beach
And if you don't believe me, then check the manifesto
Just blah blah blah, and blah blah blah, the truth I don't think so
This is good:
http://www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson/whose-policy-ukip-or-monster-raving-loony-party
I got 8 out of 16 :lol:
:lol:
As Franz-Josef Strauß once said: "What do I care about my gibberish from yesterday?"
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What's wrong with repainting the trains?
Quote from: Syt on January 23, 2014, 12:36:14 PM
:lol:
As Franz-Josef Strauß once said: "What do I care about my gibberish from yesterday?"
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"Mit aller Kraft für Deutschland?" Looks like the only Kraft he's got are the dump truck loads of mac & cheese he's been devouring. :P
What's wrong with soldiers on the streets?
Quote from: Ideologue on January 23, 2014, 10:05:26 PM
What's wrong with soldiers on the streets?
As long as they are a freak in the sheets. :ccr
Quote from: Ideologue on January 23, 2014, 10:05:26 PM
What's wrong with soldiers on the streets?
mart tackling them.
Quote from: DontSayBanana on January 23, 2014, 09:23:05 PM"Mit aller Kraft für Deutschland?" Looks like the only Kraft he's got are the dump truck loads of mac & cheese he's been devouring. :P
He had a long and storied career as politician in Germany. When Spiegel published an article about the sorry state of the Bundeswehr in the 60s he was defense minister. He requested the magazine's offices be raided and the chief editor be arrested (he was held for 100+ days). Eventually he had to admit having lied to parliament and had to step down. He was also implicated in the Lockheed bribery scandals, and a lobbyist accused him and his party accepting $10,000,000 to "encourage" purchase of the F-104 Starfighter. He was also involved in the Airbus Affair.
He was a prime rival of Helmut Kohl and sort of the founder of the tradition that the prime minister of Bavaria is (almost) always against what happens on a federal level. He's highly regarded and revered in his home state of Bavaria where he was prime minister for 10 years until his death in '88. When he died my dad commented that it was probably a combination of stuck Weißwurst and accumulated beer fumes in his guts that did him in.
Quote from: Syt on January 23, 2014, 11:29:56 PM
He had a long and storied career as politician in Germany. When Spiegel published an article about the sorry state of the Bundeswehr in the 60s he was defense minister. He requested the magazine's offices be raided and the chief editor be arrested (he was held for 100+ days). Eventually he had to admit having lied to parliament and had to step down. He was also implicated in the Lockheed bribery scandals, and a lobbyist accused him and his party accepting $10,000,000 to "encourage" purchase of the F-104 Starfighter. He was also involved in the Airbus Affair.
He was a prime rival of Helmut Kohl and sort of the founder of the tradition that the prime minister of Bavaria is (almost) always against what happens on a federal level. He's highly regarded and revered in his home state of Bavaria where he was prime minister for 10 years until his death in '88. When he died my dad commented that it was probably a combination of stuck Weißwurst and accumulated beer fumes in his guts that did him in.
/me sighs
:angry: Vielleicht ich wollte Witze machen um fetten Leuten und Makkaroni mit Käse. Es ist ein Amerikaner Ding.
Urteilen mir nicht. :P
Someone get Alan Turing.
Quote from: DontSayBanana on January 23, 2014, 11:51:42 PM
/me sighs
:angry: Vielleicht ich wollte Witze machen um fetten Leuten und Makkaroni mit Käse. Es ist ein Amerikaner Ding.
Urteilen mir nicht. :P
I'm German. I don't do that joke and humor stuff.
Indeed, as everyone knows, a German joke is no laughing matter.
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on January 24, 2014, 03:37:29 AM
Indeed, as everyone knows, a German joke is no laughing matter.
:lol:
Why Nigel Farage can't remember his own manifesto:
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Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on January 24, 2014, 03:37:29 AM
Indeed, as everyone knows, a German joke is no laughing matter.
:unsure:
In 2010 UKIP was a silly party. It shows maturity that Farage recognizes this. This is the eternal problem of upstart populist parties. You end up with strange people in charge of strange policies. It should be noticed that with the Monster Raving Looney Party it had a sensible and serious traffic safety advocate which ran for most of the seats screaming lord such didn't. They were the first party to propose seat belts, roundabouts, lowering speed limits and other safety feature.
Also the first to support pet passports as an alternative to quarantine.
Quote from: Sheilbh on January 24, 2014, 08:10:22 AM
Also the first to support pet passports as an alternative to quarantine.
Isn't that insane?
Quote from: Neil on January 24, 2014, 08:48:17 AM
Quote from: Sheilbh on January 24, 2014, 08:10:22 AM
Also the first to support pet passports as an alternative to quarantine.
Isn't that insane?
We do it now. The old rule was if you took an animal abroad, anywhere, then when you came back it had to go into quarantine for six months.
Now most pets get a passport that lists which vaccinations they've had and, depending on where they go, allows them to come back into the country without quarantine.
Quote from: Sheilbh on January 24, 2014, 08:53:44 AM
Quote from: Neil on January 24, 2014, 08:48:17 AM
Quote from: Sheilbh on January 24, 2014, 08:10:22 AM
Also the first to support pet passports as an alternative to quarantine.
Isn't that insane?
We do it now. The old rule was if you took an animal abroad, anywhere, then when you came back it had to go into quarantine for six months.
Now most pets get a passport that lists which vaccinations they've had and, depending on where they go, allows them to come back into the country without quarantine.
I don't like it. But then again, there's very little about the sacrifice of security for the sake of animals that I do like.
Quote from: Neil on January 24, 2014, 08:48:17 AM
Quote from: Sheilbh on January 24, 2014, 08:10:22 AM
Also the first to support pet passports as an alternative to quarantine.
Isn't that insane?
Nope, it's actually a veterinary-certified document that proves the dog, cat or
ferret has a microchip, a rabies vaccination and tapeworm treatment.
https://www.gov.uk/take-pet-abroad/overview (https://www.gov.uk/take-pet-abroad/overview)
....Ferrets? :mellow:
Have you not noticed when you go abroad that the signs always refer to dogs, ctas and ferrets. Why rabbits, hamsters, gerbils and weasals get a free ride, I have no idea.
You what make terrible pets? Rabbits. :glare:
True: My wife is getting a pet passport for our cat in preparation for possibly moving overseas.
Refreshing to see a politician admitting he doesn't bother reading that crap. Other than the platform committee and a few journalist interns, who does?
Does anyone know why the Guardian thinks that repainting trains is a stupid idea?
Quote from: Neil on January 24, 2014, 12:30:34 PM
Does anyone know why the Guardian thinks that repainting trains is a stupid idea?
Maybe they don't think it is stupid, just ridiculous in a political manifesto? Why should the government care about the color of trains? For a party that fights against the euro-bureaucracy that kind of stuff seems extremely petty minded.
Yeah, but this is the Guardian. They believe that the government has a vital role in determining how, when and what colour to paint trains. Shouldn't they be happy?
Lenin should decide what color the trains are.
Quote from: Gups on January 24, 2014, 09:51:47 AM
Have you not noticed when you go abroad that the signs always refer to dogs, ctas and ferrets. Why rabbits, hamsters, gerbils and weasals get a free ride, I have no idea.
Everyone knows that rodents don't carry diseases.
Wait, weasels? Are there non-ferret weasels widely kept as pets?
Nigel Farage today called the manifesto 'drivel' and the work of an 'idiot', former UKIP (now Tory) MEP David Campbell-Bannerman. He in turn basically said Farage wasn't serious as he never read the document and it was based on very serious policy meetings. When asked about the compulsory uniform for cab drivers he said that that wasn't one of his ideas but it was based on very serious policy meetings :lol:
QuoteMaybe they don't think it is stupid, just ridiculous in a political manifesto? Why should the government care about the color of trains? For a party that fights against the euro-bureaucracy that kind of stuff seems extremely petty minded.
It's not actually that surprising. The cabinet got into a fight over Eric Pickles' (Tory Local Government Minister famous for his office spending £10 000 on biscuits) desire for councils to bring back weekly bin collection, while the Lib Dems are very keen on maintaining the norm which is weekly recycling collection and fortnightly rubbish collection.
What's really absurd of course is that the cabinet's talking about this at all and remember this is a government that wanted to be the most decentralising ever :lol:
On the one hand they're eeeeevil super liberal racists.
On the other hand: Trains.
:hmm:
I guess in their defence...maybe this could be put down to them being realistic? They know they're never going to win an election. But if pigs fly and they get a number of seats then maybe they can make up part of a coalition, with the only conditions they can get through being the petty stuff.
Quote from: Brazen on January 24, 2014, 05:15:28 AM
Why Nigel Farage can't remember his own manifesto:
:lmfao:
PAINT TEH TRAINS!!!1
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on January 24, 2014, 10:05:21 AM
You what make terrible pets? Rabbits. :glare:
Nonsense. Rabbits are awesome pets.
Fucking long ears.
re train painting: I heartily agree with this initiative. However, what are "traditional colors colours coulouors in the UK for trains?
DAYUM
PRINCE OF WALES NUTSHOT
England can do with a few less third worlders.
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 25, 2014, 10:40:12 AM
England can do with a few less third worlders.
Why do you hate the North?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 25, 2014, 10:12:43 AM
re train painting: I heartily agree with this initiative. However, what are "traditional colors colours coulouors in the UK for trains?
Depends on the line apparently:
QuoteThe unseemly haste with which National Express destroyed the quality GNER brand by painting out its heraldry on service trains standing at rail stations was a disgrace. As with the iconic red bus in London, so the Government should insist on a modernised form of traditional branding - chocolate and cream for Great Western, scarlet red for Midland, Apple Green for the East Coast. These are icons of Britishness.
Quote from: Sheilbh on January 25, 2014, 11:22:09 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 25, 2014, 10:12:43 AM
re train painting: I heartily agree with this initiative. However, what are "traditional colors colours coulouors in the UK for trains?
Depends on the line apparently:
QuoteThe unseemly haste with which National Express destroyed the quality GNER brand by painting out its heraldry on service trains standing at rail stations was a disgrace. As with the iconic red bus in London, so the Government should insist on a modernised form of traditional branding - chocolate and cream for Great Western, scarlet red for Midland, Apple Green for the East Coast. These are icons of Britishness.
To be fair to UKIP there really are some god-awful choices of logo design and colour on our railways these days. :yucky:
But to be even fairer, UKIP's own logo looks pretty idiotic itself.