Including utilities (gas, electricity, water) I pay ca. €700.- for my apartment, or €535 without electricity/heating. With internet it's €750.-. For Ca. 55 m² (ca. 590 square feet). It's an old building, badly insulated, and the heating system is not the newest, which is why I pay out the nose for gas/electricity.
It's in a lower middle class area of town, loads of immigrants (Vienna in total has 23% immigrants, ca. 40% with immigrant background; the numbers are significantly higher in my part of town).
I'm looking for a new apartment, but the hunting is slow and painful. Austria has the highest increase in real estate prices in Europe in recent years, mostly driven by Vienna.
The average price for a lease has gone up 33% since 2005, or 80% in case you're looking to buy. On top of that, 2/3 of lease contracts are limited to 3-5 years. Which means every couple years you have to move around unless you find an unlimited contract (which I currently have).
Going through an agent for an apartment lease is expensive: the agent gets 2 or 3 months rent (depending on duration of contract) plus ca. 1 month's rent in fees. The fees are paid by the person who rents the apartment, NOT the owner (who pays nothing to the agent).
Additionally, you pay 3-6 months worth of rent as deposit for the new apartment (but you get the one from the previous apartment back unless your landlord is an asshole and bills you for supposed damages you left behind).
My rent is €700 excluding utilities for about 100 m2 in the centre of a city of about 200,000 people.
The apartment is fine, but the complex and street it's in are a bit run down. Still, being able to walk everywhere I need to go and still having plenty of space for a low rent, I'm not complaining.
No rent, but Gas, Electric, Water, Garbage, cable comes out to about $550-700 a month. Higher in winter when heat is so much more vital.
At my old place 60,000 yen a month rent plus maybe under 10,000 in water/electric/gas.
Renting in Japan is a total PITA. Even getting a place costs several months rent. Moving is tough.
My school pays 90% of my rent.
No rent, but the mortgage payment is $200 a month. Utilities run about $350-$450 a month or so.
You don`t want to know how much I am paying for a flatshare, but it is not uncommon in these parts and well worth it.
Do you have to supply your own appliances, Syt? Lots of the moving abroad shows have properties in your part of the world with no stove, fridge, etc.
Isn't that normal?
Most apartments in Vienna will have stove top, stove, refrigerator, sink. Some may include dish washer (maybe 50/50). Occasionally a washing machine is there, but that's the exception rather than the rule. And many apartment buildings will have a joint laundry room.
Occasionally you may have a case where someone put a new kitchen into an apartment that they rented and that they will either take it with them when they leave, or expect some money out of you to recover some of their investment.
Quote from: Tyr on January 22, 2014, 07:21:08 AM
Isn't that normal?
Not really. Apparently the norm is to have them included.
I am always befuddled when a couple on some Property show is claiming no deal because of the appliances. Just Buy new ones ffs. That an on-suite bathrooms.
Also, my mortage + taxes + electricity = ~1400$ a month on average. I don't pay electricity on a monthly basis & it's significantly higher in the winter since my house is heated by electricity.
My mortgage is £480 a month for a two bedroom flat. When I used to rent the same flat it cost £775 a month - an identical flat downstairs has just been leased for £1,100 a month.
Utilities, phone/broadband/TV, TV license, council tax and service charge total £360.
So that's around £840 a month in total which is €1026 or US$1390.
After previous "size of property" discussion, an estate agent site usefully informs me it is 44.3 sq m, or 476.8 sq ft.
Quote from: Tamas on January 22, 2014, 06:24:58 AM
You don`t want to know how much I am paying for a flatshare, but it is not uncommon in these parts and well worth it.
I do! I'm guessing £500 a month.
Quote from: Brazen on January 22, 2014, 08:24:24 AM
Quote from: Tamas on January 22, 2014, 06:24:58 AM
You don`t want to know how much I am paying for a flatshare, but it is not uncommon in these parts and well worth it.
I do! I'm guessing £500 a month.
:lol: 1.5 times that. ALTOUGH that includes every cost, and it is a nice en-suite in a brand new building, in the town center, 3 minutes walking from my workplace, and literally next to the train station with direct trains to central London (30-40 minutes) (plus a bus stop I never use), so it is a fair deal I think, when compared to what else is out there around here.
Quote from: Tamas on January 22, 2014, 08:28:57 AM
:lol: 1.5 times that. ALTOUGH that includes every cost, and it is a nice en-suite in a brand new building, in the town center, 3 minutes walking from my workplace, and literally next to the train station with direct trains to central London (30-40 minutes) (plus a bus stop I never use), so it is a fair deal I think, when compared to what else is out there around here.
Yeah, for all-in that's not bad - half the bills would total around that extra £250.
Well, I just received an email from my landlord that the annual increase this year is EUR 15.- per month according to the official statistical data (which is a legal basis for automatic lease price increases).
I forgot about landholder lease prices. Mine used to be £50 every six months, but there wasn't long left on the lease so we clubbed together and extended it for 90 years at a cost of £8,000. It sounds like terrible value for money, but it's almost impossible to sell a flat in the UK with a lease of less than 80 years.
My mortgage is $700 monthly including property tax, and I pay $900 towards my mortgage. (Property taxes are billed quarterly, which comes to about $250 monthly). Utilities cost about $160 monthly (gas/heat, water, electric).
£600 a month for my part of the flatshare. It is a nice flat though :blush:
Quote from: Tyr on January 22, 2014, 07:21:08 AM
Isn't that normal?
I don't even think it's legal where I live.
Quote from: Tyr on January 22, 2014, 07:21:08 AM
Isn't that normal?
I thought the norm was that white goods are included.
None of your damn business. :angry:
My suspicions confirmed!
Garbo is a squatter!
Since no one else has said it...
I lise in a free-standing house, not an apartment, like any civilized person should. :cool:
Quote from: katmai on January 22, 2014, 10:26:20 AM
My suspicions confirmed!
Garbo is a squatter!
I wish. I'd be saving up a storm!
I'm not telling you.
Quote from: Barrister on January 22, 2014, 10:27:53 AM
Since no one else has said it...
I lise in a free-standing house, not an apartment, like any civilized person should. :cool:
but it's only free standing by a 2 feet wide gap between you & your neighbors.
:mad: For shame, mister Uppermann lake.
$745/month (=£450, €550) for a spacious 1 bedroom ground-floor apt. in the center of town; electric, water, and most importantly heat all included. :) It's the best digs I've had.
But back when I lived in a real city, I paid $666.66/month for a room in a dingy three-decker apt., with heat and electric bills split with two roommates that could easily surpass $100/person during the winter months, despite it being frigid inside. And that was a very good deal.
On the other hand, I rented rooms in South Philly for $350 a month...
I liked your demonic living costs.
Around $800 with everything included for a 60 m2 (650 square feet) close to the central station.
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 22, 2014, 11:34:20 AM
Quote from: Barrister on January 22, 2014, 10:27:53 AM
Since no one else has said it...
I lise in a free-standing house, not an apartment, like any civilized person should. :cool:
but it's only free standing by a 2 feet wide gap between you & your neighbors.
:mad: For shame, mister Uppermann lake.
Actually, getting a really big lot was a priority for us - neighbor on one side is 10-12', other side more like 30'.
What else did we compromise on though? Well we do back onto high power lines, and beyond that a clear view of Edmonton's ring road :(
Ringu road?
Quote from: Barrister on January 22, 2014, 02:16:33 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 22, 2014, 11:34:20 AM
Quote from: Barrister on January 22, 2014, 10:27:53 AM
Since no one else has said it...
I lise in a free-standing house, not an apartment, like any civilized person should. :cool:
but it's only free standing by a 2 feet wide gap between you & your neighbors.
:mad: For shame, mister Uppermann lake.
Actually, getting a really big lot was a priority for us - neighbor on one side is 10-12', other side more like 30'.
What else did we compromise on though? Well we do back onto high power lines, and beyond that a clear view of Edmonton's ring road :(
but your close to Big bear park too.
Are you stalking me? <_<
Quote from: Barrister on January 22, 2014, 02:45:40 PM
Are you stalking me? <_<
No, well maybe, I just remember from your moving thread.
Plus you know, facebook friends.
Gay fox being a nosy creepy little fuck. :yucky:
Lay off the Frenchican. :mad:
Watch out or I'll sweep the legs.
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We had a great deal when we were renting - the top floor of a duplex, two bedrooms, big kitchen, living room, library, parking space outside - $850 all included, just north of Bloor West Village. Rent never increased, for a decade.
The reason: the elderly landlords/homeowners lived downstairs, and they mostly spoke Ukrainian - very little English. They just loved my wife to bits (she speaks fluent Ukrainian) and were, apparently, terrified of having to rent to someone who they could not communicate with - or worse, someone who was "challenging" in any way from the POV of elderly, religious Ukranians. Particularly if they were (say) a sarcastic, irreligious, Black gay guy or something. Garbon, their worst nightmare! :ph34r:
Anyway, their fear of having to rent to someone like Garbon kept them from ever even mentioning a rent increase.
Some things are worth more than a few dollars of a rent increase. Sounds like your elderly landlords got a good deal also, Malthus.
Quote from: Habbaku on January 22, 2014, 05:30:20 PM
Some things are worth more than a few dollars of a rent increase. Sounds like your elderly landlords got a good deal also, Malthus.
Yup, it worked out well for them. My wife, in her typical fashion, liked to help them out with stuff and to gossip with them. What finally forced us to buy our own place was having a kid. Mostly, because the apartment had no laundry facilities - that was a dealbreaker.
The last time I lived in a place with shared laundry facilities, my clothes were constantly being stolen by Mexicans. I would literally see my damn shirts on other dudes the next day. I'll never live someplace again with that setup.
What about shared sunglasses-washing facilities?
$650 a month, no utilities included, which amounts to between $100-$200 a month.
I live in a two bedroom though. It was a lot nicer before--surprise, surprise--the cats fucked it up.
Quote from: Ideologue on January 22, 2014, 06:42:08 PM
$650 a month, no utilities included, which amounts to between $100-$200 a month.
I live in a two bedroom though. It was a lot nicer before--surprise, surprise--the cats fucked it up.
Have you considered getting a bunkie?
Quote from: Ideologue on January 22, 2014, 06:42:08 PM
$650 a month, no utilities included, which amounts to between $100-$200 a month.
I live in a two bedroom though. It was a lot nicer before--surprise, surprise--the cats fucked it up.
How can your cats fuck up a place totally devoid of furniture? :hmm:
Quote from: Malthus on January 22, 2014, 07:05:00 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on January 22, 2014, 06:42:08 PM
$650 a month, no utilities included, which amounts to between $100-$200 a month.
I live in a two bedroom though. It was a lot nicer before--surprise, surprise--the cats fucked it up.
How can your cats fuck up a place totally devoid of furniture? :hmm:
Over 2.5 million house cats are surrendered and needlessly euthanized each year in this country, because their caretakers can't learn how litter box discipline.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 22, 2014, 07:07:52 PM
Quote from: Malthus on January 22, 2014, 07:05:00 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on January 22, 2014, 06:42:08 PM
$650 a month, no utilities included, which amounts to between $100-$200 a month.
I live in a two bedroom though. It was a lot nicer before--surprise, surprise--the cats fucked it up.
How can your cats fuck up a place totally devoid of furniture? :hmm:
Over 2.5 million house cats are surrendered and needlessly euthanized each year in this country, because their caretakers can't learn how litter box discipline.
Maybe you can learn me how litter box discipline.
Don't fuck with me right how, man.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 22, 2014, 06:51:52 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on January 22, 2014, 06:42:08 PM
$650 a month, no utilities included, which amounts to between $100-$200 a month.
I live in a two bedroom though. It was a lot nicer before--surprise, surprise--the cats fucked it up.
Have you considered getting a bunkie?
Yes, it's actually the reason I got a two-bedroom in the first place. But my old roommate decided he'd rather stay and live with his mommy. C'est la vie. I like the space. That's the room that's most obviously wrecked anyway.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 22, 2014, 07:35:08 PM
Don't fuck with me right how, man.
I'm not, but I'd like a little credit for not surrendering and/or euthanizing my cat when she pissed on my box of MAD Magazines from 1989-1994.
MAD hasn't been decent since 1982, man. The piss was deserved.
I'm a big fan of the Fold-Ins.
Currently looking at apartments in downtown Boston. ~$2000/mo rent for a one bedroom. :yucky:
Management fee (includes security, management of public areas, trash collection): US$270
Electricity: US$100
Property taxes: US$140
Town gas (cooking and bathing): US$25
Water: US$10
Internet: US$25
Phone: US$15
Property insurance: US$5
So around US$600 per month.
Interestingly low water bill Mono. Is it subsidised or is the water company really efficient?
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on January 23, 2014, 04:35:30 AM
Interestingly low water bill Mono. Is it subsidised or is the water company really efficient?
Subsidised. There is no water company, just the government water supplies department. In theory, the HK government runs the water supplies on a full cost recovery basis. But any price hike requires approval from the Legislative Council whose members are elected. Ever since there were elections 20 years ago, it is basically impossible to raise water prices. It doesn't help that the HK government runs huge and embarrassing fiscal surpluses year after year, and the fiscal reserves have piled up to never before seen levels.
The government tried to privatise water supplies but it is again impossible due to fear of an increase in water prices and objection from the civil service unions.
$750/month 2 bedroom with all utilities except electric included. it's actually kind of expensive, but it's located right next to an elementary school and there's a large playground as part of the facilities. it definitely doesn't feel like a $750 apartment :(
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 22, 2014, 05:02:15 PM
Gay fox being a nosy creepy little fuck. :yucky:
How's your giant tv inherited from previous owner?
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 23, 2014, 10:29:04 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 22, 2014, 05:02:15 PM
Gay fox being a nosy creepy little fuck. :yucky:
How's your giant tv inherited from previous owner?
You can't even get things right either.
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 23, 2014, 10:30:21 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 23, 2014, 10:29:04 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 22, 2014, 05:02:15 PM
Gay fox being a nosy creepy little fuck. :yucky:
How's your giant tv inherited from previous owner?
You can't even get things right either.
Yeah, that's what someone like you would say.
http://languish.org/forums/index.php/topic,1130.msg50247.html#msg50247
Dingleberry. :rolleyes:
Not that one. The Vagina Wall House TV.
Wut?
I miss the vagina wall. :(
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 23, 2014, 10:52:36 AM
I miss the vagina wall. :(
It's most awesome feature of any house I've ever heard of.
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 23, 2014, 10:57:53 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 23, 2014, 10:52:36 AM
I miss the vagina wall. :(
It's most awesome feature of any house I've ever heard of.
I still see a few around in the older 60's-70's housing developments.
How do basement windows look in a Ranch style home constructed in a region that requires basements? Or is Ohio hot enough?
Those tiny little windows look fine from the outside, but are shitty otherwise. Hello, leaks.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 22, 2014, 07:40:02 PM
MAD hasn't been decent since 1982, man. The piss was deserved.
Hypothesis: MAD's decency varies based on the age of the reader rather than the "quality" of the writing.