Time to make like Lex Luthor and buy some soon to be beach front property! :w00t:
http://www.nbcnews.com/science/massive-antarctic-glacier-uncontrollably-retreating-study-suggests-2D11942467
QuoteMassive Antarctic glacier uncontrollably retreating, study suggests
Laura Poppick LiveScience
10 hours ago
The glacier that contributes more to sea level rise than any other glacier on Antarctica has hit a tipping point of uncontrollable retreat, and could largely collapse within the span of decades, a new study suggests.
Pine Island Glacier accounts for about 20 percent of the total ice flow on the West Antarctic Ice Sheet — an amalgam of glaciers that covers roughly 800,000 square miles (2 million square kilometers) and makes up about 10 percent of the total ice on Antarctica. Many researchers think that, given the size of Pine Island Glacier, its demise could have a domino effect on surrounding glaciers and ultimately — over the course of many years — lead to the collapse of the entire ice sheet, which would raise average global sea level by between 10 and 16 feet (3 and 5 meters).
The glacier is not only massive, but also one of the least stable of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet ice flows. In the past 40 years, its melting rate has accelerated due to relatively warm ocean currents that have seeped underneath its base and lubricated its flow seaward. As it slips into the ocean, the glacier's ice shelf — the part that floats on water and extends beyond the glacier's base — disintegrates through a natural process called calving, exposing yet more of the glacier to warm waters. Last year, an iceberg larger than the city of Chicago broke off into the surrounding Amundsen Sea.
'We have passed the tipping point'
Many researchers have tried to predict the future behavior of this important glacier using mathematical models but, given the complicated nature of glacial dynamics, all of these attempts have been limited and prone to error. Precipitation, wind patterns, atmospheric temperatures, oceanic currents and the shape of bedrock underneath the glacier are only some of the numerous factors that control glacial growth and retreat. Models predicting glacial behavior are therefore very complicated and always prone to some degree of error.
Researchers based at the French National Center for Scientific Research in Grenoble have now developed state-of-the-art models that, while still limited, provide the best estimates yet of the future behavior of Pine Island Glacier, they say. The team has found that the glacier's grounding line — the point where glacier and its ice shelf meet — is about to retreat over an oceanic trench that would increase the amount of water that seeps underneath and melts the glacier. Their models suggest that this would cause the glacier to uncontrollably retreat about 25 miles (40 kilometers) over the next several decades, potentially raising global sea levels by more than 0.4 inches (1 centimeter).
Retreat may slow once the glacier passes the trench, the researchers report, but it will not likely regain stability or enter a positive-growth phase.
"Whatever it will do, we are already engaged in a big change," study co-author Gael Durand told LiveScience. "We have passed the tipping point."
Uncertainties remain
Eric Steig, a glacial geologist at the University of Washington who also studies Pine Island Glacier but was not involved in this study, thinks the study provides the best models yet of this particular glacier's dynamics. Still, he points out that the models make the assumption that melting rates will increase in the near future and that, while this is likely, it is not necessarily a given.
Last month, Steig and colleagues published a paper in the journal Science reporting that Pine Island Glacier's retreat slowed significantly in 2012 due to oceanographic changes related to La Niña. While this seems to have been an anomalous event, Steig says that the 40 years of data gathered on the glacier may not be enough to make accurate predictions about its future behavior, and about what is normal or anomalous for its flow.
"I actually think it's a good assumption that the melt rate will stay high," Steig told LiveScience. "But my confidence that that is right is extremely low and the reason that it is low is that it depends strongly on what happens elsewhere."
For example, La Niña — a weather pattern related to El Niño that brings cold-water masses up the coast of South America, into the central equatorial Pacific, and eventually along the coast of Antarctica — originates as far away as the equatorial tropics, and has a significant impact on the behavior of the glacier. Future work will need to take these distant global factors into account in predicting the behavior of the glacier.
Still, despite these shortcomings, Durand is convinced the glacier has little chance of regaining stability.
"We showed that it will need a very large decrease of the melting condition below the ice shelf and that the oceanographic conditions would need to be much colder than it was before it started its retreat [to maintain stability]," Durand said. "What will come next is an open question, but to recover to its 1990s position is unlikely."
The study findings were detailed earlier this month in the journal Nature Climate Change.
I don't belif in climate change we can belif in.
You also don't seem to believe in the letter e.
Why are all these icebreakers getting stuck trying to rescue each other?
Shit like this looks bad.
And yet Antarctic ice levels hit a new record extent last year:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/10/22/nasa-announces-new-record-growth-of-antarctic-sea-ice-extent/
(http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/10/22/nasa-announces-new-record-growth-of-antarctic-sea-ice-extent/)
Quote from: Brazen on January 17, 2014, 06:44:10 AM
And yet Antarctic ice levels hit a new record extent last year:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/10/22/nasa-announces-new-record-growth-of-antarctic-sea-ice-extent/
(http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/10/22/nasa-announces-new-record-growth-of-antarctic-sea-ice-extent/)
From the article:
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Moreover, the mere extent of sea ice does not necessarily say something about the volume of the ice, because that also depends on the thickness of the frozen layer. And the vast majority of the Antarctic ice mass is located on the Antarctic continent – and there the ice has decreased in recent years as a whole, particularly in West Antarctica.
So both articles don't actually contradict each other.
Also, Roland Emmerich is probably pitching a movie based on this as we speak.
Quote from: celedhring on January 17, 2014, 06:58:34 AM
Also, Roland Emmerich is probably pitching a movie based on this as we speak.
The worst part of this whole thing.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 17, 2014, 01:35:26 AM
Pine Island Glacier accounts for about 20 percent of the total ice flow on the West Antarctic Ice Sheet — an amalgam of glaciers that covers roughly 800,000 square miles (2 million square kilometers) and makes up about 10 percent of the total ice on Antarctica. Many researchers think that, given the size of Pine Island Glacier, its demise could have a domino effect on surrounding glaciers and ultimately — over the course of many years — lead to the collapse of the entire ice sheet, which would raise average global sea level by between 10 and 16 feet (3 and 5 meters).
:o
QuoteTheir models suggest that this would cause the glacier to uncontrollably retreat about 25 miles (40 kilometers) over the next several decades, potentially raising global sea levels by more than 0.4 inches (1 centimeter).
:o errr... :unsure:
I think it means that the glacier by itself would only raise the sea level by 1cm, but the "potential knockdown effect" on other glaciers could take it to 5m.
Of course, any serious journalist will always run with the most scandalous figure.
That's a hell of a compounding effect, considering the original glacier makes up 20% of the ice flow and 10% of the total ice.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on January 17, 2014, 07:45:12 AM
That's a hell of a compounding effect, considering the original glacier makes up 20% of the ice flow and 10% of the total ice.
Except a retreat of 25 miles is only a fraction of the total size of the glacier. The article doesn't say it will all melt in the next few decades.
So the opening is apocalypse sometime in the future, but the substance is what's expected over the next few decades (a 25 mile retreat of this one glacier raising average sea level by a centimetre.)
Which doesn't take into account what's happening to the other glaciers in the same period, of course.
Adapt or die, basically.
What is it with the "uncontrollably retreating" line? Do glaciers typically controllably retreat?
I think the best asset the climate deniers have isn't money from oil companies etc. but the sensationalism of organizaitons like NBC when reporting this stuff.
Quote from: alfred russel on January 17, 2014, 10:19:21 AM
What is it with the "uncontrollably retreating" line? Do glaciers typically controllably retreat?
The glaciers are completely out of control. They've lost it entirely.
No more retreating. The entire glacial line must hold.
Quote from: PDH on January 17, 2014, 10:30:13 AM
No more retreating. The entire glacial line must hold.
All those Nazis that escaped into the center of the Earth through Antarctica have really lost sight of the
Führerprinzip. :(
Hey Mihali, your sig is hilarious.
I spilled my miller lite over the counter when I read that shit.
Quote from: Siege on January 19, 2014, 11:29:57 PM
Hey Mihali, your sig is hilarious.
I spilled my miller lite over the counter when I read that shit.
Considering the shit you read, he's absolutely right.