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Title: World Economies in 2028
Post by: jimmy olsen on January 08, 2014, 05:37:10 AM
I'm skeptical.  :hmm:

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Title: Re: World Economies in 2028
Post by: Eddie Teach on January 08, 2014, 05:49:56 AM
Eventually, China loses their competitive advantages due to being poor and has to slow growth. Though perhaps that won't happen until after they pass us(we'd still have 4x the GDP per capita, after all).
Title: Re: World Economies in 2028
Post by: Lettow77 on January 08, 2014, 06:01:33 AM
 I find it fishy that France is forecasted to fall from the top ten by its longtime rival, who in the same breath gloats about how they'll finally overtake those naughty jerries.

I am also dubious of Brazil and Mexico's future.
Title: Re: World Economies in 2028
Post by: MadImmortalMan on January 08, 2014, 06:22:12 AM
I'm bullish on Mexico and skeptical on Brazil. Five years ago it was the other way around.
Title: Re: World Economies in 2028
Post by: Eddie Teach on January 08, 2014, 06:26:35 AM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on January 08, 2014, 06:22:12 AM
I'm bullish on Mexico and skeptical on Brazil. Five years ago it was the other way around.

Because Colorado legalized pot? There's still plenty of other states to fund Mexican criminals.  :hmm:
Title: Re: World Economies in 2028
Post by: Josquius on January 08, 2014, 06:29:00 AM
France. :nelson:
That we beat them is all that matters.
I can't find a suitably smug smilie sadly :(


Interesting that they forecast such large growth for Japan.


QuoteI'm bullish on Mexico and skeptical on Brazil. Five years ago it was the other way around.
I recall reading an article a few days ago that spoke of BRICs being yesterdays news and MINTs being the new big thing. :shrug:

QuoteI find it fishy that France is forecasted to fall from the top ten by its longtime rival, who in the same breath gloats about how they'll finally overtake those naughty jerries.

I am also dubious of Brazil and Mexico's future.
This isn't Britain doing the forecasting. Britain overtaking Germany is quite widely predicted due to the UK's population growth and Germany's population decline.
I've no clue what happened to France here.
Title: Re: World Economies in 2028
Post by: MadImmortalMan on January 08, 2014, 06:33:01 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on January 08, 2014, 06:26:35 AM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on January 08, 2014, 06:22:12 AM
I'm bullish on Mexico and skeptical on Brazil. Five years ago it was the other way around.

Because Colorado legalized pot? There's still plenty of other states to fund Mexican criminals.  :hmm:

Mendocino County still grows enough to supply six or seven Colorados.
Title: Re: World Economies in 2028
Post by: Brazen on January 08, 2014, 07:00:24 AM
I'm going to the launch of the World Economic Forum's Global Risks 2014 report next week, I'll report back.

Also: Daily Fail again? :bleeding:
Title: Re: World Economies in 2028
Post by: Zanza on January 08, 2014, 07:15:47 AM
Quote from: Tyr on January 08, 2014, 06:29:00 AM
This isn't Britain doing the forecasting. Britain overtaking Germany is quite widely predicted due to the UK's population growth and Germany's population decline.
The last years Germany's population grew due to net migration overcompensating excess deaths.
That table also assumes that Britain's economy grows at nearly three times the pace of Germany's economy. 
Title: Re: World Economies in 2028
Post by: Crazy_Ivan80 on January 08, 2014, 07:28:47 AM
Quote from: Zanza on January 08, 2014, 07:15:47 AM
Quote from: Tyr on January 08, 2014, 06:29:00 AM
This isn't Britain doing the forecasting. Britain overtaking Germany is quite widely predicted due to the UK's population growth and Germany's population decline.
The last years Germany's population grew due to net migration overcompensating excess deaths.
That table also assumes that Britain's economy grows at nearly three times the pace of Germany's economy.
it also assumes that britain still exists by then :p
Title: Re: World Economies in 2028
Post by: Zanza on January 08, 2014, 07:32:30 AM
For India to roughly quadruple during that time period, they would have to grow at an annual pace of 9.5% or so. They are nowhere near that growth.
Title: Re: World Economies in 2028
Post by: Iormlund on January 08, 2014, 07:47:52 AM
UK growth of over 3% uninterrupted for 15 years sounds really unlikely, no matter how many immigrants arrive.
Title: Re: World Economies in 2028
Post by: Grey Fox on January 08, 2014, 07:49:47 AM
Mexico from what?! What's the industry producing so much income for them?!
Title: Re: World Economies in 2028
Post by: Iormlund on January 08, 2014, 07:58:16 AM
Tourism, oil, cars, electronics and shitty soap operas.

There's a lot of wealth in Mexico, actually. Problem is there's even more poverty.
Title: Re: World Economies in 2028
Post by: MadImmortalMan on January 08, 2014, 08:01:40 AM
Like China. Only in NAFTA.
Title: Re: World Economies in 2028
Post by: Lettow77 on January 08, 2014, 08:03:07 AM
It's important to remember amongst the beancounting and growth projections that Mexico and Brazil are culturally disinclined to success and as inferior nations will stumble and collapse where their betters might show initiative, or even mere stability.
Title: Re: World Economies in 2028
Post by: jimmy olsen on January 08, 2014, 08:05:46 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 08, 2014, 07:49:47 AM
Mexico from what?! What's the industry producing so much income for them?!
Despite the Drug War, they are currently ranked 14th in nominal GDP, and 9th in GDP PPP!
Title: Re: World Economies in 2028
Post by: Grey Fox on January 08, 2014, 08:34:44 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 08, 2014, 08:05:46 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 08, 2014, 07:49:47 AM
Mexico from what?! What's the industry producing so much income for them?!
Despite the Drug War, they are currently ranked 14th in nominal GDP, and 9th in GDP PPP!

Wow, those cartel are pretty good a producing money, eh.
Title: Re: World Economies in 2028
Post by: MadImmortalMan on January 08, 2014, 09:56:13 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 08, 2014, 08:34:44 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 08, 2014, 08:05:46 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 08, 2014, 07:49:47 AM
Mexico from what?! What's the industry producing so much income for them?!
Despite the Drug War, they are currently ranked 14th in nominal GDP, and 9th in GDP PPP!

Wow, those cartel are pretty good a producing money, eh.

As long as GDP includes the G, yes.  :D
Title: Re: World Economies in 2028
Post by: Richard Hakluyt on January 08, 2014, 10:24:25 AM
Quote from: Zanza on January 08, 2014, 07:32:30 AM
For India to roughly quadruple during that time period, they would have to grow at an annual pace of 9.5% or so. They are nowhere near that growth.

I think the report in question did not adjust the figures for inflation, which is why the figures for 2028 look so high.
Title: Re: World Economies in 2028
Post by: Zanza on January 08, 2014, 10:40:42 AM
Quote from: Iormlund on January 08, 2014, 07:47:52 AM
UK growth of over 3% uninterrupted for 15 years sounds really unlikely, no matter how many immigrants arrive.
And when you consider that they'll most likely not grow at the necessary 3.3% in the next two or three years, they'll have to grow even faster later.
Title: Re: World Economies in 2028
Post by: DGuller on January 08, 2014, 11:22:16 AM
Guys, it gets worse.  In 2113, China's economy would be 45 times as large as US economy.
Title: Re: World Economies in 2028
Post by: Josquius on January 08, 2014, 11:32:00 AM
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on January 08, 2014, 10:24:25 AM
Quote from: Zanza on January 08, 2014, 07:32:30 AM
For India to roughly quadruple during that time period, they would have to grow at an annual pace of 9.5% or so. They are nowhere near that growth.

I think the report in question did not adjust the figures for inflation, which is why the figures for 2028 look so high.

That makes things a bit more sensible.
It just seems bizzare Japan would suddenly grow so much.
Title: Re: World Economies in 2028
Post by: The Brain on January 08, 2014, 11:37:57 AM
Used hotpants. Jesus Christ.
Title: Re: World Economies in 2028
Post by: DontSayBanana on January 08, 2014, 11:41:54 AM
India seems totally unrealistic.  15 years is a long, long time to keep up that bullish a rate.
Title: Re: World Economies in 2028
Post by: Richard Hakluyt on January 08, 2014, 12:18:30 PM
The actual report is here http://www.cebr.com/reports/cebr-world-economic-league-table/
Title: Re: World Economies in 2028
Post by: PJL on January 08, 2014, 01:18:33 PM
Economists can't predict accurately what will happen in the next 15 months, let alone 15 years. You might as well read tea leaves to predict the outcome.
Title: Re: World Economies in 2028
Post by: Caliga on January 08, 2014, 01:20:32 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 08, 2014, 05:37:10 AM
I'm skeptical.  :hmm:
I'm Spartacus.