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Title: Getting Files From an Old Computer
Post by: alfred russel on January 01, 2014, 04:26:02 PM
I have an old computer sitting in my closet - probably around 2001.

All my old stuff from college is on the computer, with contact information, etc. I wanted to access this stuff.

However, I'm not sure how. The computer will turn on, but the old monitor is gone. It has a 9 pin VGA to receive a monitor, so I got a 9 pin to 15 pin converter and tried hooking it up to my current monitor, but no luck (it is conceivable I damaged the converter, as I had to rip off the connectors so that it would fit).

I was planning on just moving the documents I wanted to a flash drive once I get the computer to turn on with a monitor, but I don't even need to do that if there is another way to get on the hard drive.

Any ideas?
Title: Re: Getting Files From an Old Computer
Post by: Tonitrus on January 01, 2014, 09:51:05 PM
Could yank out the HDD, buy a cheap HDD external enclosure/docking station and turn it into an external USB drive.  If you just need the files.
Title: Re: Getting Files From an Old Computer
Post by: DontSayBanana on January 01, 2014, 10:11:22 PM
If you're going desktop to desktop, you don't even need that much.  Just add the old drive in as a slave and copy- only way you'd need an adapter is if your newer computer doesn't have IDE or if the old drive's a funky form factor (not likely in a 2001 PC).

My migration priorities for backing up customer's PCs:
1- slave old drive, direct copy.
2- external enclosure, direct copy.
3- copy piecemeal via USB flash drive from other system (either original or another compatible box, basically option 1 with a third box in the mix).
Title: Re: Getting Files From an Old Computer
Post by: alfred russel on January 01, 2014, 10:26:05 PM
Guys, I am clearly a lot dumber than you think...I had to google what HDD meant.

DSB, is what you are saying is that I can just connect a USB cable from my old computer to my current one and transfer the files?

I was trying to use a USB flash directly from the old computer (is this your option 3?), but without a monitor I can't do that.
Title: Re: Getting Files From an Old Computer
Post by: DontSayBanana on January 01, 2014, 10:39:09 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on January 01, 2014, 10:26:05 PM
Guys, I am clearly a lot dumber than you think...I had to google what HDD meant.

DSB, is what you are saying is that I can just connect a USB cable from my old computer to my current one and transfer the files?

I was trying to use a USB flash directly from the old computer (is this your option 3?), but without a monitor I can't do that.

Unfortunately not on the USB cable.  USB was just never designed to network computers that way, so you'd need a special USB dongle to copy between the two.  It exists, but you'd have to buy it and probably would never use it again, plus I'm not sure how well it would work without being able to install software on the older computer.

What I was saying was to pop off the case and plug the hard drive directly into the computer the same way as the one that's already in there.  The only potential snag with that is that the 2001 hard drive probably takes an IDE ribbon connector and a power jack, your new one probably takes SATA connectors, and some manufacturers have actually stopped putting IDE connectors on their motherboards.

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Title: Re: Getting Files From an Old Computer
Post by: alfred russel on January 01, 2014, 11:12:16 PM
So I remove the hard drive from my current computer, put in the hard drive from my old computer, and then copy the relevant files to a USB flash drive?

Is there an easier way? With that plan I foresee a future of having two computers which I can't get to work at all.
Title: Re: Getting Files From an Old Computer
Post by: katmai on January 01, 2014, 11:27:37 PM
If you have the connectors that work. just add your old hard drive to your new pc. then should be able to copy all files, no need to take out new drive.
Title: Re: Getting Files From an Old Computer
Post by: Monoriu on January 02, 2014, 01:32:48 AM
I would take the computer/hardrive to a shop to extract the data. 
Title: Re: Getting Files From an Old Computer
Post by: alfred russel on January 02, 2014, 11:42:44 AM
Quote from: katmai on January 01, 2014, 11:27:37 PM
If you have the connectors that work. just add your old hard drive to your new pc. then should be able to copy all files, no need to take out new drive.

When I was in college I got a job working at the computer lab. My first day a girl had written a paper and asked me if I knew how to save a document in word processing. I had no idea, but someone once told me that computers have emergency save features when you turn them off. So I turned off her machine, and that was the end of her paper.

I tell you this because you clearly haven't grasped how computer illiterate I am.  :P
Title: Re: Getting Files From an Old Computer
Post by: sbr on January 02, 2014, 12:06:46 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on January 02, 2014, 11:42:44 AM
Quote from: katmai on January 01, 2014, 11:27:37 PM
If you have the connectors that work. just add your old hard drive to your new pc. then should be able to copy all files, no need to take out new drive.

When I was in college I got a job working at the computer lab. My first day a girl had written a paper and asked me if I knew how to save a document in word processing. I had no idea, but someone once told me that computers have emergency save features when you turn them off. So I turned off her machine, and that was the end of her paper.

I tell you this because you clearly haven't grasped how computer illiterate I am.  :P

In that case I would follow the Mono Plan.
Title: Re: Getting Files From an Old Computer
Post by: alfred russel on January 02, 2014, 12:29:16 PM
There might be reasons I don't want to do that... :blush:
Title: Re: Getting Files From an Old Computer
Post by: Caliga on January 02, 2014, 02:57:39 PM
I hear you.  I have old porno on lots of spare HDDs floating around my place. :)
Title: Re: Getting Files From an Old Computer
Post by: Barrister on January 02, 2014, 03:33:43 PM
I very much doubt that the computer shop would care about regular porn.

If AR's HDD has child porn on it however... :yeahright:
Title: Re: Getting Files From an Old Computer
Post by: alfred russel on January 02, 2014, 03:42:43 PM
Good grief.
Title: Re: Getting Files From an Old Computer
Post by: Monoriu on January 02, 2014, 07:22:59 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on January 02, 2014, 12:29:16 PM
There might be reasons I don't want to do that... :blush:

There are ways around that, I think. All they need to do is connect your HDD to a working computer and monitor.  You can offer to...assist on the spot.  Once you see the HDD on screen, you do the copying to a USB drive yourself. 
Title: Re: Getting Files From an Old Computer
Post by: DontSayBanana on January 02, 2014, 07:48:15 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 02, 2014, 03:33:43 PM
I very much doubt that the computer shop would care about regular porn.

If AR's HDD has child porn on it however... :yeahright:

Somewhat this, but really, when I get customer drives to transfer, I don't even look at filenames- only times I even look are to make sure folders are being copied and then again to make sure everything copied successfully (again, not looking at filenames- I check folder sizes to make sure they match).

My boss and I have been known to crack a few porn jokes to customers who are okay with it who've brought in machines for virus removal, though. ;)
Title: Re: Getting Files From an Old Computer
Post by: garbon on January 02, 2014, 07:58:08 PM
Making it an external requires almost no effort. Or at least I'd say something like that if I had any thought that your posts had some connection to real world events.
Title: Re: Getting Files From an Old Computer
Post by: alfred russel on January 02, 2014, 09:44:03 PM
Quote from: garbon on January 02, 2014, 07:58:08 PM
Making it an external requires almost no effort. Or at least I'd say something like that if I had any thought that your posts had some connection to real world events.

I googled how to do this. It think I need to buy a hard drive enclosure for ~$20.

It seems I need to know whether my hard drive is IDE or SATA...the computer model is a Compaq 7110US running windows ME.

I'd assume by age the hard drive is IDE, but can anyone confirm? Google is not so explicit.
Title: Re: Getting Files From an Old Computer
Post by: alfred russel on January 02, 2014, 09:51:00 PM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on January 02, 2014, 07:48:15 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 02, 2014, 03:33:43 PM
I very much doubt that the computer shop would care about regular porn.

If AR's HDD has child porn on it however... :yeahright:

Somewhat this, but really, when I get customer drives to transfer, I don't even look at filenames- only times I even look are to make sure folders are being copied and then again to make sure everything copied successfully (again, not looking at filenames- I check folder sizes to make sure they match).

My boss and I have been known to crack a few porn jokes to customers who are okay with it who've brought in machines for virus removal, though. ;)

First, it is probably good that I don't have your job, because I would completely go in the opposite direction.

Second, it isn't just about porn. I'm not sure what I have on this computer. I almost certainly have financial information. I might have some pictures from college that weren't meant for mass distribution. I probably have applications and cover letters etc. that I wouldn't want to get around.
Title: Re: Getting Files From an Old Computer
Post by: DontSayBanana on January 02, 2014, 09:52:27 PM
Some Google fu reminded me of something I'd forgotten: SATA wasn't introduced until 2003, so it's definitely IDE. :blush:
Title: Re: Getting Files From an Old Computer
Post by: alfred russel on January 02, 2014, 09:56:03 PM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on January 02, 2014, 09:52:27 PM
Some Google fu reminded me of something I'd forgotten: SATA wasn't introduced until 2003, so it's definitely IDE. :blush:

Is it possible I was wrong about the year?

The hard drive specs I found are:

Hard Drive
Hard Drive Capacity       60 GB
Hard Drive Interface       DMA/ATA-100 (Ultra)
http://www.shopping.com/Compaq-Presario-7110US-470016-083/info

ATA is close to SATA....
Title: Re: Getting Files From an Old Computer
Post by: DontSayBanana on January 02, 2014, 10:47:05 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on January 02, 2014, 09:56:03 PM
Is it possible I was wrong about the year?

The hard drive specs I found are:

Hard Drive
Hard Drive Capacity       60 GB
Hard Drive Interface       DMA/ATA-100 (Ultra)
http://www.shopping.com/Compaq-Presario-7110US-470016-083/info

ATA is close to SATA....

Nah.  Long story short, IDE drives were also known as PATA (Parallel ATA).  SATA (Serial ATA) was introduced to speed up how quickly data could get from the drive to the system memory.  The 100 is how many times a second the parallel port can pulse, which is another way to tell that the drive isn't serial.

Edit: how many times a second, times 1000.  That speed is in MHz, so it's actually 100,000 times a second.  My bad. :blush:
Title: Re: Getting Files From an Old Computer
Post by: alfred russel on January 07, 2014, 09:57:11 AM
I got it to work. Thanks everybody.