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Title: 524 years ago
Post by: Tamas on June 01, 2009, 09:05:26 AM
Vienna surrendered to the army of Matthias Corvinus, King of Hungary.

He and Ferdinand the 3rd had a long history of conflict. Ferdinand had a claim on the Hungarian throne (he in fact had the Holy Crown, since 1440). In the wars in Bohemia, Ferdinand supported the enemies of Matthias, and regularly attacked the western Hungarian borders while the Magyars were busy fighting the Turks. To return the favor, Matthias did not stop Ottoman raiding parties going through Croatia toward Austria.

Matthias' ultimate ambition was to become Holy Roman Emperor. The capture of Vienna was part of these plans. He adopted the title "Duke of Austria",  and moved his court to Vienna, altough the official capital remained Buda.

He removed the tariff (cargo-stopping) rights of Vienna, just like he did with several other cities along the Danube west of Buda (so Buda could have all the concentrated tariff income), but otherwise he was very lenient with the city. He immediately pulled his army out, and only replaced one city council member. He gave a 3 years long tax exemption for the wineries of the city, and financed the reconstruction of city walls. The citizens, in fact, erected a statue of him, which remained in place for almost 300 years.

The military campaign did not stop with that, next target was Wiener Neustadt, which capitulated in 1487. Matthias, however, died only 3 years later, leaving an unfulfilled ambition, and -as a result- a very endangered Hungary behind.
Title: Re: 524 years ago
Post by: Norgy on June 01, 2009, 09:08:56 AM
Quote from: Tamas on June 01, 2009, 09:05:26 AM


The military campaign did not stop with that, next target was Wiener Neustadt, which capitulated in 1847.

Dude was patient.
Title: Re: 524 years ago
Post by: Valmy on June 01, 2009, 09:09:18 AM
Definitely the best leader Hungary ever elected.

It just puzzles me they then decided to elect one of the worst: Ladislaus Jagiellon.  It just shows that Democracy doesn't work.
Title: Re: 524 years ago
Post by: PDH on June 01, 2009, 09:29:19 AM
Quote from: Norgy on June 01, 2009, 09:08:56 AM
Quote from: Tamas on June 01, 2009, 09:05:26 AM


The military campaign did not stop with that, next target was Wiener Neustadt, which capitulated in 1847.

Dude was patient.
EUIII sieges can last a long time.
Title: Re: 524 years ago
Post by: Tamas on June 01, 2009, 10:20:36 AM
Quote from: Norgy on June 01, 2009, 09:08:56 AM
Quote from: Tamas on June 01, 2009, 09:05:26 AM


The military campaign did not stop with that, next target was Wiener Neustadt, which capitulated in 1847.

Dude was patient.

Edited :P
Title: Re: 524 years ago
Post by: Siege on June 01, 2009, 10:24:20 AM
Was he a vampire?

Title: Re: 524 years ago
Post by: PDH on June 01, 2009, 10:54:36 AM
That's Romanians  :rolleyes:

Magyars are Gypsies.
Title: Re: 524 years ago
Post by: saskganesh on June 01, 2009, 11:03:18 AM
Quote from: Valmy on June 01, 2009, 09:09:18 AM
Definitely the best leader Hungary ever elected.

It just puzzles me they then decided to elect one of the worst: Ladislaus Jagiellon.  It just shows that Democracy doesn't work.

it just shows that "democracies" composed only of nobles who are jealous of centralised national powers does not work.
Title: Re: 524 years ago
Post by: Valmy on June 01, 2009, 11:06:01 AM
Quote from: saskganesh on June 01, 2009, 11:03:18 AMit just shows that "democracies" composed only of nobles who are jealous of centralised national powers does not work.

I do admit the franchise was rather limited :P

Actually wasn't something like 10% of Hungarians Nobles or something like that?
Title: Re: 524 years ago
Post by: alfred russel on June 01, 2009, 11:08:12 AM
Quote from: Valmy on June 01, 2009, 11:06:01 AM


I do admit the franchise was rather limited :P

Actually wasn't something like 10% of Hungarians Nobles or something like that?

The best argument against democracy is a conversation with an ordinary Hungarian noble.
Title: Re: 524 years ago
Post by: The Brain on June 01, 2009, 11:10:51 AM
Why should losers get to vote?
Title: Re: 524 years ago
Post by: saskganesh on June 01, 2009, 11:14:15 AM
yeah, tell us why you shouldn't be allowed to vote brain.
Title: Re: 524 years ago
Post by: The Brain on June 01, 2009, 11:16:16 AM
Quote from: saskganesh on June 01, 2009, 11:14:15 AM
yeah, tell us why you shouldn't be allowed to vote brain.

The retarded wouldn't vote Brain.
Title: Re: 524 years ago
Post by: alfred russel on June 01, 2009, 11:17:35 AM
Quote from: saskganesh on June 01, 2009, 11:14:15 AM
yeah, tell us why you shouldn't be allowed to vote brain.

Don't make him explain it, he has already gone through the trouble of thousands of posts to demonstrate he shouldn't vote. Or be allowed near livestock.
Title: Re: 524 years ago
Post by: Norgy on June 01, 2009, 12:11:02 PM
Quote from: Tamas on June 01, 2009, 10:20:36 AM

Edited :P

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