Amon Goeth's granddaughter;
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Not wishing to be rude to the young woman, that's just my somewhat simplistic spin on the story:
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My Nazi grandfather, Amon Goeth, would have shot me
Jennifer Teege was shocked to discover her grandfather was a Nazi concentration camp commandant. Her mother never told her, and as a child she never knew her father - a Nigerian student with whom her mother had a brief affair. This is her story.
Five years ago in northern Germany, in Hamburg, I was in the central library and I came across a book. It was wrapped in a red cover and for some reason I was immediately drawn to it.
The title, translated into English, was I Have to Love My Father, Right? and it had a small picture of a woman on the front who looked faintly familiar.
So I took the book and quickly went through it. There were a lot of photos and as I looked at the book I felt something was wrong.
At the end, the author summed up some details about the woman on the cover and her family, and I realised they were a perfect match with what I knew about my own biological family.
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Rest of article here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-24347798 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-24347798)
Nah, I'm sure they'll always be there waiting to occur to the Mongers of the Future.
Quote from: mongers on October 03, 2013, 09:05:50 PM
Amon Goeth's granddaughter;
Not wishing to be rude to the young woman, that's just my somewhat simplistic spin on the story:
Not sure what you mean by that. :unsure:
Wow. What a butterface.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 03, 2013, 09:11:43 PM
Quote from: mongers on October 03, 2013, 09:05:50 PM
Amon Goeth's granddaughter;
Not wishing to be rude to the young woman, that's just my somewhat simplistic spin on the story:
Not sure what you mean by that. :unsure:
Well it's pretty crude to post a photo of a young multi-racial woman and say "hah, the Nazis failed".
Max Planck observed that science progresses one funeral at a time. People rarely give up their bad ideas and they treasure them; so much they are often willing to die for them. Bad ideas die when they cease being taught to the next generation as if they were true.
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 03, 2013, 09:13:10 PM
Wow. What a butterface.
On what evidence do you presume she has a good body?
Quote from: Queequeg on October 04, 2013, 01:39:23 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 03, 2013, 09:13:10 PM
Wow. What a butterface.
On what evidence do you presume she has a good body?
Draw your own conclusions.
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Bad ideas eventually come back wearing different colors.
Quote from: mongers on October 03, 2013, 09:18:42 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 03, 2013, 09:11:43 PM
Quote from: mongers on October 03, 2013, 09:05:50 PM
Amon Goeth's granddaughter;
Not wishing to be rude to the young woman, that's just my somewhat simplistic spin on the story:
Not sure what you mean by that. :unsure:
Well it's pretty crude to post a photo of a young multi-racial woman and say "hah, the Nazis failed".
The Nazis may have failed, but their ideas are still around, unfortunately. Yeah, those ideas are a lot less popular than they were in the 1930s, but they're still around.
Quote from: 11B4V on October 04, 2013, 01:43:07 AM
Quote from: Queequeg on October 04, 2013, 01:39:23 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 03, 2013, 09:13:10 PM
Wow. What a butterface.
On what evidence do you presume she has a good body?
Draw your own conclusions.
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I do not expect intolerance to ever die, the targets for intolerance will change of course.
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on October 04, 2013, 06:38:21 AM
I do not expect intolerance to ever die, the targets for intolerance will change of course.
Indeed and I'm surprised by the bile the Tories are spewing at the young unemployed people, the very people amongst the rest of us who don't bear some responsibility for the 2008 crisis.
It has simplified the issue for me come the 2015 election; still don't know who I will vote for but it won't be the tories. I think miliband's price controls are rather pathetic but prefer them to this nastiness.
Quote from: mongers on October 04, 2013, 07:34:10 AM
Indeed and I'm surprised by the bile the Tories are spewing at the young unemployed people, the very people amongst the rest of us who don't bear some responsibility for the 2008 crisis.
:blink:
Wow. That's a new level of low.
Quote from: merithyn on October 04, 2013, 10:48:19 AM
Quote from: mongers on October 04, 2013, 07:34:10 AM
Indeed and I'm surprised by the bile the Tories are spewing at the young unemployed people, the very people amongst the rest of us who don't bear some responsibility for the 2008 crisis.
:blink:
Wow. That's a new level of low.
Not even close to approaching the kind of intolerance that is going on within the Province of Quebec atm.
Wow, the Tories found a backbone on something?
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 04, 2013, 10:52:21 AM
Quote from: merithyn on October 04, 2013, 10:48:19 AM
Quote from: mongers on October 04, 2013, 07:34:10 AM
Indeed and I'm surprised by the bile the Tories are spewing at the young unemployed people, the very people amongst the rest of us who don't bear some responsibility for the 2008 crisis.
:blink:
Wow. That's a new level of low.
Not even close to approaching the kind of intolerance that is going on within the Province of Quebec atm.
What does one have to do with the other?
Quote from: merithyn on October 04, 2013, 10:53:35 AM
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 04, 2013, 10:52:21 AM
Quote from: merithyn on October 04, 2013, 10:48:19 AM
Quote from: mongers on October 04, 2013, 07:34:10 AM
Indeed and I'm surprised by the bile the Tories are spewing at the young unemployed people, the very people amongst the rest of us who don't bear some responsibility for the 2008 crisis.
:blink:
Wow. That's a new level of low.
Not even close to approaching the kind of intolerance that is going on within the Province of Quebec atm.
What does one have to do with the other?
You said it was a
new level of low. While it is low, in my view, it is less severe than the kind of legislation the Quebec government has tabled and so Cameron's comments are not a new low but somewhere on the continuum of outrageous to contemptable with the Quebec government being further down that continuum.
Okay.
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on October 04, 2013, 10:45:20 AM
It has simplified the issue for me come the 2015 election; still don't know who I will vote for but it won't be the tories. I think miliband's price controls are rather pathetic but prefer them to this nastiness.
Can you elaborate a bit on the bile being spewed? Have read nothing about it.
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 04, 2013, 10:52:21 AM
Quote from: merithyn on October 04, 2013, 10:48:19 AM
Quote from: mongers on October 04, 2013, 07:34:10 AM
Indeed and I'm surprised by the bile the Tories are spewing at the young unemployed people, the very people amongst the rest of us who don't bear some responsibility for the 2008 crisis.
:blink:
Wow. That's a new level of low.
Not even close to approaching the kind of intolerance that is going on within the Province of Quebec atm.
:rolleyes:
Quote from: Drakken on October 04, 2013, 11:32:25 AM
:rolleyes:
And the people that perpetuate the intolerance are the worst of all.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 04, 2013, 11:08:07 AM
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on October 04, 2013, 10:45:20 AM
It has simplified the issue for me come the 2015 election; still don't know who I will vote for but it won't be the tories. I think miliband's price controls are rather pathetic but prefer them to this nastiness.
Can you elaborate a bit on the bile being spewed? Have read nothing about it.
Well you are asking me to elaborate on mongers' term, which is not the term I would use, but I'm nevertheless displeased with the Tories.
We have an expanding welfare bill here in the UK so there is a problem with trying to balance the books. The reason I'm annoyed with the Tories is that they have chosen to focus on the young unemployed and are using them as the scapegoats. So, point 1, there is a degree of intellectual dishonesty in their attacks on this group which I find distasteful. Take a look at this breakdown of UK expenditure http://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/uk_welfare_spending_40.html . The payments of unemployment benefit are a trivial component.
Secondly, they have plans to not pay such benefits to unemployed people under the age of 25. The idea seems to be that these young people can sponge off their parents. That is fine if your parents are still a functional family with a middle-class income and you haven't fallen out with them. Those without such backup face the risk of total destitution.
I don't like it and I suspect that the majority of the people in the UK political centre (far to the left of the US center) don't like it either. Perhaps the Tories don't want to get elected in 2015, either that or they have no clue of how people outside their true-blue areas regard these matters.
To get a proper feel for it you need to have followed the Conservative Party Conference, a most depressing experience.............even worse than following the Labour one :mad:
Quote from: mongers on October 04, 2013, 07:34:10 AM
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on October 04, 2013, 06:38:21 AM
I do not expect intolerance to ever die, the targets for intolerance will change of course.
Indeed and I'm surprised by the bile the Tories are spewing at the young unemployed people, the very people amongst the rest of us who don't bear some responsibility for the 2008 crisis.
I was under the impression that the worst of the bile was aimed at the long term unemployed; what's the age-balance of this group? I was unaware that it was majority young unemployed yet but I could be wrong?
Although, yes, I agree with you that the bile is excessive and that the "plans" are stupid. What was it...
Either
(1) "Tailored courses" -
for which there'll be inadequate funding, as always.(2) "30 hours Community Service" -
when are they supposed to look for work then, considering travel times and breaks?(3) "30 hours per week jobhunting in the jobcentre" -
so where are the jobcentres going to get the funding, room, or staff for this?* Not to mention there's actually a mental limit to how much useful jobsearch, a repetitive activity with only so many choices for what to do about it, can be done per week - and it's less than 30 hours.Not that I think you'd agree with my solution, which is draconian and very uncaring in another way and based solely on the principle of "saving money"; still, I'd love it if someone in government would have the guts to do a 2 year study of 2 comparable areas. In one keep all the programmes currently used going, in the other drop all of them (just have the jobcentre signing people and checking they are actually jobsearching - probably giving a little advice as well), and see at the end of the two years just how much "value added" in terms of people getting and keeping jobs all these programmes add up to.
I'm fairly confident the number would be a lot smaller than most people would be comfortable with.
*Seriously; my local jobcentre would actually have the room for this (since it was built as a combined jobcentre-benefits office and the benefits section has moved) but they've shed half their staff by not renewing contracts and seem to have two computers and two phones usable by the public and jobseekers (since the government have shut down all the obsolete "jobpoints" about two months ago.)
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on October 04, 2013, 01:35:20 PM
Secondly, they have plans to not pay such benefits to unemployed people under the age of 25. The idea seems to be that these young people can sponge off their parents. That is fine if your parents are still a functional family with a middle-class income and you haven't fallen out with them. Those without such backup face the risk of total destitution.
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To get a proper feel for it you need to have followed the Conservative Party Conference, a most depressing experience.............even worse than following the Labour one :mad:
Ah, somehow I'd missed that bit about "under 25s" not being able to claim.
That's very nearly as stupid as Milliband's Energy policy, and, as you said, a lot more vile.
I must admit that (and it's not based on this, I'd already come to this conclusion) the only reason that I'll probably vote Tory in the next election is that voting where I'd prefer to would waste a vote and simply let Labour in. The plans of Milliband and Balls still sound like very expensive silliness compared to what the country needs to me.
At the moment the main parties are starting to make PR look attractive...and I never, ever thought I'd find myself saying that!
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Incidentally, my local town council ward just had a by-election. Town Councils are a complete and utter irrelevance in British politics, with no real funding and no real duties.
And yet along with the three "usual suspects" both UKIP and the
BNP were able to find candidates willing to stand!
There's an awful lot of disgruntled voters out there at the moment; disgruntled and despairing.
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 04, 2013, 12:47:02 PM
Quote from: Drakken on October 04, 2013, 11:32:25 AM
:rolleyes:
And the people that perpetuate the intolerance are the worst of all.
And here I thought all we needed was a little self confidence... Religious people really lack this trait, or is there something more to this sentence that mostly everyone here seemed to agree on last time?
Even if the propsed Charter wasn't against Quebec's own charter of human rights&freedoms (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_Charter_of_Human_Rights_and_Freedoms), it would still be far from being racist and xenophobic. Even if we were to go as far as France, I would still fail to see how it is racist that religion should be kept private and not public.
As it is, the charter is a fucking mess, totally unenforceable, and most likely won't pass the vote in the National Assembly. Yet, when you look at honor crimes on the rise, when you look at 100 forced mariages a year in Ontario, something tells me the "do nothing an shut your eyes" approach isn't exactly working wonders.
So Mongers, there you have your answer. Bad Ideas dont eventually die. People keep having them.
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 04, 2013, 03:31:30 PM
So Mongers, there you have your answer. Bad Ideas dont eventually die. People keep having them.
Hmm. :D
It was sort of a rhetorical question to frame the young woman's story, rather than just say, Nazis hah, hah, yah boo sucks.
Though the various comments on various forms of intolerance are well made, and somewhat depressing. :(
socialism and nazism still around, despite their epic fail in the last century.
Quote from: Siege on October 06, 2013, 09:26:30 PM
socialism and nazism still around, despite their epic fail in the last century.
Socialism did rather well in several places.
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on October 04, 2013, 10:45:20 AM
It has simplified the issue for me come the 2015 election; still don't know who I will vote for but it won't be the tories. I think miliband's price controls are rather pathetic but prefer them to this nastiness.
The thing with Miliband's plans is that they're a two-year price freeze until there's new regulations in the market - which isn't too bad. I'm not convinced our energy sector, or our banking sector are properly working and, given, the amount of actual or implied subsidy they get from the government that's doubly unacceptable.
The polling on this amazed me though, I had no idea how left-wing Britain was. Apparently there's majority support for re-nationalising the railways and public utilities :lol:
As you say the Tory plans are not nice and I think Age is right. Unless this is some massive make-work scheme for Jobcentres they just don't have the staff for the young unemployed to be there all the time and if they're doing community service when are they meant to be looking for jobs/going to interviews etc?
In addition I'd suggest that people under 25 on benefits are among the most vulnerable. If you're sixteen on housing benefit then there's something that's gone tragically wrong in your life. At the very least it indicates a total absence of family support - which is surely something the Tories should be aware of.
As the Coalition goes on I think the Lib Dems look more and more like a responsible party of government and the Tories like a protest party, beholden to their extremes and yearning for the comforts of opposition. It's baffling.
What's more, Mili's plans at least are novel. I swear the Tories have announced this benefit wheeze and married couple tax allowance (remembering George took child benefit away from all 'higher' rate taxpayers) every single year :mellow:
Have you read the Economist piece about Miliband's return to Old Labor policies?
I haven't, have you a link.
It seems a bit overblown. Old Labour wanted unilateral nuclear disarmament, had nationalised railways and public utilities and wanted to nationalise a couple more industries.
Ed Miliband wants a two year price freeze on energy pending a new regulator, a bankers bonus levy and to raise corporate tax on large businesses to reduce business rates (business property taxes). Interestingly it's that last one that's most popular in the polls, with people who own their own companies that I know they moan far more about rates than any regulation, working hours maximum or any of the other Tory obsessions.
Quote from: Sheilbh on October 06, 2013, 10:02:24 PMThe polling on this amazed me though, I had no idea how left-wing Britain was. Apparently there's majority support for re-nationalising the railways and public utilities :lol:
My understanding is that the railways haven't exactly improved since they've become privately owned?
That's the popular perception. Plus they got lots and lots of public money.
On the other hand they're also more widely used than ever before.
I read in the Economist about Transport for London who run the Overground here and it's really successful and they may be expanding their routes. They're publicly owned which makes me think it wouldn't necessarily be an awful idea elsewhere. But also they took on routes on as a concession not a franchise, which I don't understand, but here's the last bit of the Economist story:
QuoteDespite this, the model of the Overground looks likely to catch on. Unlike other rail services in Britain the line is run on a concession service, rather than under a complex franchise structure. This means TfL taking some of the financial risk of running the line, giving them an incentive to make sure it works well. Already TfL has announced that it will take over the West Anglia route under a similar concession scheme, running commuter trains from Liverpool Street from 2015. Other routes—such as the Southeastern—could follow. Homeowners, as well as trainspotters, will be watching out.
Quote from: Agelastus on October 04, 2013, 01:44:32 PM
(3) "30 hours per week jobhunting in the jobcentre" - so where are the jobcentres going to get the funding, room, or staff for this?* Not to mention there's actually a mental limit to how much useful jobsearch, a repetitive activity with only so many choices for what to do about it, can be done per week - and it's less than 30 hours.
That is a lot of jobhunting.
The thing about it is that I'm not sure it does significant good, especially on a macro level. I honestly wonder if the Internet and the five zillion applications every Goddamned job on Earth gets is, if nothing else, an enormous waste of people's time. I guess they're unemployed, so time isn't money, but still. It's probably caused a great deal of anguish.
And I suspect it may have contributed to the current state (along with the downed economy in general) of firms tailoring their expectations on the off chance they find a unicorn. If 5000 people apply, one's bound to have a JD, bar licenses in three states, ten years of experience, Hindi fluency, and a big dick, right?
Out of 5,000? Probably not.
A big problem I faced when I left uni was that I couldn't afford to get a job. Even with benefits.
Young people need more help, not less. They are however easy targets so make for wonderful jangly keys.
As to job hunting in the job centre- lol no.
Once the dole sent me on some ridiculous, useless and presumably expensive (as such privatized thing a normally are) "course" where much of it did consist of sitting in a room and applying for jobs. I can only assume their thinking was that we would hate it so much we would try extra hard to apply for jobs because we loved siting at home on the dole oh so much.
A big problem in modern politics, with every party, is that increasingly every politician is a Oxbridge humanities graduate career politician who has little connection to the lives of real people.
When you're working your arse off every day then sitting at home on the dole does look lovely. If you actually try it though you will see that it isn't so nice in practice.
Quote from: Tyr on October 07, 2013, 12:20:43 AM
A big problem I faced when I left uni was that I couldn't afford to get a job. Even with benefits.
Elaborate please
The unemployed have to apply for some ludicrous number of jobs every week, 20 at the moment I believe, but that is not so difficult as it is more or less automated via the job centre. My sympathy here lies with the potential employer, say she is the owner of a small cafe looking for a general assistant, the job centre then gives her 5,000 applications, 4,800 of whom are completely uninterested in her job...........so the system fails them as well.
Part of the reason for my distaste towards bashing the unemployed is that, of course, it is merely a diversionary tactic. The increase in the welfare bill is overwhelmingly due to the increased numbers of elderly and the increased numbers of working poor who need supplements to their wages to live. But these problems are difficult and require tough decisions and a coherent set of policies to resolve............so lets take an easier path instead :mad:
Quote from: Sheilbh on October 06, 2013, 10:59:13 PM
Ed Miliband wants a two year price freeze on energy pending a new regulator, a bankers bonus levy and to raise corporate tax on large businesses to reduce business rates (business property taxes). Interestingly it's that last one that's most popular in the polls, with people who own their own companies that I know they moan far more about rates than any regulation, working hours maximum or any of the other Tory obsessions.
I fail to understand how Ed Milliband thinks a new regulator is going to be able to reduce or stabilise energy prices long term when the wholesale markets for fuel are international combined with the fact that his party are still committed to making this country meet climate targets in the most expensive and inefficient ways possible (not that the Tories are any better on this issue, with everyone running scared of the Greens and their entrenched views*.)
The bankers bonus levy is simply repeated populist pap since the public has a vastly exaggerated idea of how much funding this would raise - not to mention that bonuses are taxed already as income, which everyone seems to forget!
The raising of corporate tax on large businesses to reduce it on smaller ones also sounds like a good idea (I'd support it.) It's no panacea though given how many of the large businesses operating in the UK are international; instead of levelling the playing field between large and small UK businesses you'll just be pitching the field more against our large businesses internationally. I'd still support it though since the main driver for private sector job creation is the small business sector (see the Major recovery of the 1990s IIRC.)
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*No, I'm not saying that global warming isn't happening - but I lost my last bit of patience with the currently favoured "Green" solutions when I discovered that all these wind-farms sprouting up are solely there to provide energy at peak or overload times on the grid because they're too irregular and inefficient to be part of the standard load.
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 04, 2013, 12:47:02 PM
And the people that perpetuate the intolerance are the worst of all.
Keep telling yourself that you smug imbecile. <_<
G.
Both parties are engaging in shameless populism at the moment. The Tory version (including the bedroom tax) seems to me to be much worse and will probably drive me to vote Labour in 2015, much against my will.
Quote from: Sheilbh on October 06, 2013, 11:19:04 PM
I read in the Economist about Transport for London who run the Overground here and it's really successful and they may be expanding their routes. They're publicly owned which makes me think it wouldn't necessarily be an awful idea elsewhere. But also they took on routes on as a concession not a franchise, which I don't understand]
Here you go Shelf. TfL is the franchising authority (instead of the DfT) rather than the franchisee.
TfL is a major client of mine and I have to say its a exceptionally well-run for a large public sectory body.
QuoteThe model TfL opted to take for the operation of their newly acquired Franchise was different from that used by the DfT. In part this was in order to gain the greater control and synchronicity needed for the orbital. It was also, however, an attempt to try and tackle some of the perceived problems with the franchising system mentioned above – the "buck passing and quagmires" that many felt plagued the system.
The NLR would be operated as a "Concession" not a Franchise. Network Rail would obviously manage the infrastructure and someone else would operate the services. TfL, however, would set the fares, decide service levels, procure and manage the Rolling Stock and basically take a more "hands-on" approach to daily decision making. The concession would arguably be closer to the way in which the DLR was operated rather than a traditional franchise – not so much a case of setting boundaries and then taking a hands-off approach, as setting ongoing goals and managing their achievement.
This would limit the freedom within which the chosen operator could work, but that operator would get a rather large payoff in return – unlike with existing National Rail franchisees, Tfl would absorb the overwhelming majority of the revenue risk – up to 90% of it. This made the Operator's books much easier to manage and their profit margins clearer, a worthwhile payoff for the tighter working restrictions.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 07, 2013, 01:28:09 AM
Quote from: Tyr on October 07, 2013, 12:20:43 AM
A big problem I faced when I left uni was that I couldn't afford to get a job. Even with benefits.
Elaborate please
Its nigh on impossible to get into most careers without having done an internship. Which means being able to survive without an income for several months in London.
And then there's that hotels (the crappiest ones) and trains are expensive, so going to a interview becomes a bit of a financial gamble.
Quote from: Grallon on October 07, 2013, 06:51:46 AM
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 04, 2013, 12:47:02 PM
And the people that perpetuate the intolerance are the worst of all.
Keep telling yourself that you smug imbecile. <_<
G.
All the work Oex did to pursuade us that separatism had an intelligent progressive underpinning has been completed undone for me by you and the Quebec Charter.
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 07, 2013, 12:21:14 PM
Quote from: Grallon on October 07, 2013, 06:51:46 AM
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 04, 2013, 12:47:02 PM
And the people that perpetuate the intolerance are the worst of all.
Keep telling yourself that you smug imbecile. <_<
G.
All the work Oex did to pursuade us that separatism had an intelligent progressive underpinning has been completed undone for me by you and the Quebec Charter.
The one satisfaction that comes to me from the current mess is a certan amount of 'I told you guys so'. ;)
I told people so about a lot things years ago. Satisfaction level: low.
Quote from: Ideologue on October 07, 2013, 02:02:22 PM
I told people so about a lot things years ago. Satisfaction level: low.
I dunno man - when I did my epic "I TOLD YOU SO!" thread I was pretty satisfied. :cool:
http://languish.org/forums/index.php/topic,5257.0.html
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 07, 2013, 12:21:14 PM
Quote from: Grallon on October 07, 2013, 06:51:46 AM
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 04, 2013, 12:47:02 PM
And the people that perpetuate the intolerance are the worst of all.
Keep telling yourself that you smug imbecile. <_<
G.
All the work Oex did to pursuade us that separatism had an intelligent progressive underpinning has been completed undone for me by you and the Quebec Charter.
Do we have a thread on this.
Quote from: Sheilbh on October 06, 2013, 10:02:24 PM
As the Coalition goes on I think the Lib Dems look more and more like a responsible party of government and the Tories like a protest party, beholden to their extremes and yearning for the comforts of opposition. It's baffling.
For fuck's sake. I'm generous about the Lib Dems and within a day they appoint a lunatic conspiracy theorist to the Home Office :bleeding:
In the list of bad ideas that don't die: 1 - contracting out government, 2 - to Capita :bleeding:
QuoteArmy struggling to find recruits since system was overhauled to cut costs
The Army is facing a recruitment crisis after a cost-cutting outsourcing deal resulted in the number of people joining up falling by more than a third.
Ben Farmer By Ben Farmer, Defence Correspondent6:00AM BST 07 Oct 2013
The Government's 10-year, £440 million deal to privatise recruitment was supposed to save £300 million, but has resulted in a sharp drop in the number of recruits going through the system.
Figures obtained by The Daily Telegraph show that the number of people attending Army interviews and selection tests to be regular soldiers has fallen by 35 per cent since Capita, the services company, took charge of hiring.
The situation is more severe for would-be officers, with the numbers down by almost half.
Defence cuts have added to the problem by giving the impression that the Army is no longer looking to sign people up, senior officers complain.
The Ministry of Defence's latest manning figures show the Army is already 3,660 soldiers short.
Undermanned regiments complain computer glitches mean would-be recruits are struggling with an online application system and forms are being lost or delayed.
One senior infantry regiment source said: "What this has done is completely erode an effective system. Although it delivers savings, it doesn't deliver a result."
Another officer involved in selecting recruits said: "Between March and now we have had hardly anyone coming through. It's less than half what it was last year.
"There's a big lack of knowledge about how many people are in the system and where they are in the process."
In the first four months of the Capita contract 3,259 hopefuls attended Army selection and interview days, compared with 5,042 the previous year, according to figures obtained under a Freedom of Information Act request.
For officers, the decline was steeper, with only 195 being sent for selection interviews, compared with 379 the year before.
The Government has announced it is cutting back the overall size of the Army from 100,000 to 82,000 by 2020, but must still recruit thousands each year to make up for annual turnover.
Both Capita and Ministry of Defence admit that there are computer teething problems, but said the contract had only just started and these would be solved.
Regiments blame an over-reliance on the internet and an online application system. They say potential young recruits, who used to be helped through the lengthy paperwork by experienced soldiers, are now struggling to fill in the forms themselves with the help of only a call centre.
A senior officer at one Guards regiment said: "Like all these things, it was supposed to save money. But using the internet is just not the same as having a man wearing the uniform of the regiment you want to join."
Would-be soldiers have also complained that their applications are not being answered. The father of one hopeful told The Daily Telegraph his son had been waiting months without reply after his first application.
On the upside apparently it is delivering the savings :bleeding:
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And the people that perpetuate the intolerance are the worst of all.
Keep telling yourself that you smug imbecile. <_<
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All the work Oex did to pursuade us that separatism had an intelligent progressive underpinning has been completed undone for me by you and the Quebec Charter.
Do we have a thread on this.
Mostly in the Canadian Election megathread.
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Do we have a thread on this.
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Indeed but this thread is also about bad ideas related to intolerance and one cannot denounce intolerance too many times.
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Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 07, 2013, 05:39:35 PM
Do we have a thread on this.
Indeed but this thread is also about bad ideas related to intolerance and one cannot denounce intolerance too many times.
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Kind of telling that you get called an imbecile for that POV without you actually mentioning Quebec in the post, isn't it?