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http://healthimpactnews.com/2013/95-year-old-wwii-vet-refuses-to-go-to-hospital-for-urinary-tract-infection-so-police-shoot-and-kill-him/
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September 20, 2013
95 Year Old WWII Vet Refuses to go to Hospital for Urinary Tract Infection, so Police Shoot and Kill Him
New details are emerging from an incident in July Health Impact News reported on regarding a 95 year old World War II veteran near Chicago who was attacked by police with a stun gun, and then shot by a bean bag round fired from a shot gun. He died as a result.
The family met with the media this week, and stated that they are still waiting for answers from Park Forest police on Mr. Wrana's death. They are distraught at the way he was killed, and want someone held accountable.
We have now learned that John Wrana was reportedly suffering from a urinary tract infection, and paramedics arrived to transport him to a hospital. Mr. Wrana refused to go, so the paramedics reportedly called the police, who showed up in riot gear. Staff from the managed care facility reportedly were upset that the police did not allow them access to Mr. Wrana to try and calm him down.
When Mr. Wrana continued to refuse transport to the hospital, they shot him with a stun gun. He still refused, so they reportedly shot him in the stomach with a bean bag round from a shot gun – three times. He was reportedly sitting down at the time, and friends have testified that Mr. Wrana was so wobbly on his feet that he needed a walker, and could be pushed down easily with little force he was so unstable.
Police reportedly stated that Mr. Wrana had a butcher knife, but the knife was never found, and friends stated they never saw a knife. The family's attorney, Nicholas Grapsas, has stated that even if a knife was present, excessive force was used.
The police have stated that they had not used bean bag rounds fired from a shot gun to subdue anyone for more than 10 years prior to this incident.
The Cook County medical examiner's office has ruled that Mr. Wrana died of internal bleeding and blunt force trauma, and ruled his death a homicide.
At least they used non-lethal weapons.
Meh. A death panel decision was enforced.
QuoteUrinary Tract Infection
MAH WEINER!
Ice T was right, but we already knew that.
This the guy who pulled a knife or was that some other old guy with a tude who refused medical help.
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on September 21, 2013, 07:35:05 AM
This the guy who pulled a knife or was that some other old guy with a tude who refused medical help.
Read the article.
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on September 21, 2013, 07:35:05 AM
This the guy who pulled a knife or was that some other old guy with a tude who refused medical help.
Police said he pulled a knife, but nobody's found it, and it doesn't sound like this dude's throwing arm was up to the task of chucking it.
The militarization of police forces continues. Indeed, yes. It continues.
I guess the original problem solved itself. :hmm:
Jesus. When I am 95 I want to go out fighting the cops...or in the arms of three 20-something undergraduates wearing nothing at all.
Quote from: PDH on September 21, 2013, 02:12:58 PM
Jesus. When I am 95 I want to go out fighting the cops...or in the arms of three 20-something undergraduates wearing nothing at all.
Indeed you'd need three to satisfy 1/2x+7.
Quote from: The Brain on September 21, 2013, 02:15:48 PM
Quote from: PDH on September 21, 2013, 02:12:58 PM
Jesus. When I am 95 I want to go out fighting the cops...or in the arms of three 20-something undergraduates wearing nothing at all.
Indeed you'd need three to satisfy 1/2x+7.
Historians don't do math. That was actually an obscure Jethro Tull joke.
Quote from: PDH on September 21, 2013, 02:17:41 PM
Quote from: The Brain on September 21, 2013, 02:15:48 PM
Quote from: PDH on September 21, 2013, 02:12:58 PM
Jesus. When I am 95 I want to go out fighting the cops...or in the arms of three 20-something undergraduates wearing nothing at all.
Indeed you'd need three to satisfy 1/2x+7.
Historians don't do math. That was actually an obscure Jethro Tull joke.
Aren't they all?
Quote from: PDH on September 21, 2013, 02:17:41 PM
Quote from: The Brain on September 21, 2013, 02:15:48 PM
Quote from: PDH on September 21, 2013, 02:12:58 PM
Jesus. When I am 95 I want to go out fighting the cops...or in the arms of three 20-something undergraduates wearing nothing at all.
Indeed you'd need three to satisfy 1/2x+7.
Historians don't do math. That was actually an obscure Jethro Tull joke.
I only got my broadsword.
Quote from: Ideologue on September 21, 2013, 02:15:22 AM
Ice T was right, but we already knew that.
:unsure:
6 in the mornin', police at my door
Tract infection leakin' on the bathroom floor...
I think we can universalize the experience.
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on September 21, 2013, 05:19:18 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on September 21, 2013, 02:15:22 AM
Ice T was right, but we already knew that.
:unsure: 6 in the mornin', police at my door
Tract infection leakin' on the bathroom floor...
As of someone gently rapping, rapping at my chamber door.
Quote from: 11B4V on September 21, 2013, 01:40:33 AM
At least they used non-lethal weapons.
There is no such a thing.
The Army call them less-than-lethal, but they still lethal.
In Iraq 2009, 2nd Iraq deployment, I was prohibited from using less-than-lethal weapons after I shot a truck driver in Bag-a-dad with a 40mm rubber round in the windshield and the faggot lost control of the vehicle and crossed to the opposite lane crashing into the oncoming traffic.
By the way, I can't believe the cops did that to a WW2 veteran.
Unspeakable.
Quote from: Siege on September 22, 2013, 05:07:05 PM
By the way, I can't believe the cops did that to a WW2 veteran.
Unspeakable.
Yeah, sounds pretty silly. Nobody puts their hands on people anymore.
Quote from: Siege on September 22, 2013, 05:05:35 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on September 21, 2013, 01:40:33 AM
At least they used non-lethal weapons.
There is no such a thing.
The Army call them less-than-lethal, but they still lethal.
In Iraq 2009, 2nd Iraq deployment, I was prohibited from using less-than-lethal weapons after I shot a truck driver in Bag-a-dad with a 40mm rubber round in the windshield and the faggot lost control of the vehicle and crossed to the opposite lane crashing into the oncoming traffic.
:lol:
You're alright kid.
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 22, 2013, 07:28:02 PM
Quote from: Siege on September 22, 2013, 05:05:35 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on September 21, 2013, 01:40:33 AM
At least they used non-lethal weapons.
There is no such a thing.
The Army call them less-than-lethal, but they still lethal.
In Iraq 2009, 2nd Iraq deployment, I was prohibited from using less-than-lethal weapons after I shot a truck driver in Bag-a-dad with a 40mm rubber round in the windshield and the faggot lost control of the vehicle and crossed to the opposite lane crashing into the oncoming traffic.
:lol:
You're alright kid.
That must be why DoD put out the annual 2013 "Non-Lethal Weapon Review". :lol:
http://jnlwp.defense.gov/pdf/AnnualReport/AR%202013%20HTML/DoD%20Non-Lethal%20Weapons%20Program%20Annual%20Review%2011.19.2012%20HTML%20format%20v1.html
Siegy's a more-than-lethal weapon. Kills wine coolers deader than dead.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 22, 2013, 09:19:36 PM
Siegy's a more-than-lethal weapon. Kills wine coolers deader than dead.
I thought it was PBR, but OK. :P
Quote from: 11B4V on September 22, 2013, 09:20:45 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 22, 2013, 09:19:36 PM
Siegy's a more-than-lethal weapon. Kills wine coolers deader than dead.
I thought it was PBR, but OK. :P
That's CCR. Siege drinks Coors Light due to weird Jew reasons.
Quote from: Neil on September 22, 2013, 09:25:41 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on September 22, 2013, 09:20:45 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 22, 2013, 09:19:36 PM
Siegy's a more-than-lethal weapon. Kills wine coolers deader than dead.
I thought it was PBR, but OK. :P
That's CCR. Siege drinks Coors Light due to weird Jew reasons.
I didnt know Coors Light was kosher
Quote from: Neil on September 22, 2013, 09:25:41 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on September 22, 2013, 09:20:45 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 22, 2013, 09:19:36 PM
Siegy's a more-than-lethal weapon. Kills wine coolers deader than dead.
I thought it was PBR, but OK. :P
That's CCR. Siege drinks Coors Light due to weird Jew reasons.
He drinks Coors Light because he's allergic to beer.
I'm pretty sure Seige drinks one of Coors Lite's competitor beers. ADOLPH Coors and family are/were, supposedly, infamous anti-semites. Of course you couldn't get it east of the Mississippi until relatively recently anyway, but that was the story in my family, where union-made Miller had pride of place. :sleep:
I'm pretty sure the Sebrew has said specifically that he drinks Coor's Light.
Maybe I should make this a police brutality megathread. :hmm:
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/crime/2013/09/jonathan_ferrell_shooting_death_the_perils_of_stereotype_threat.html
QuoteThe shooting death of Jonathan Ferrell reminds us of the heavy toll of stereotype threat.
By Tressie McMillan Cottom|Posted Friday, Sept. 20, 2013, at 8:18 AM
Last week, Jonathan Ferrell, a former Florida A&M football player who recently moved to the Charlotte, N.C., area to be with his fiancée, had a horrible car crash. The 24-year-old broke out the back window to escape and walked, injured, to knock on the nearest door for help. Now, Ferrell is dead. The neighbor he asked for aid called 911 ("He is trying to kick down my door," she cried on the phone), and one of the responding police officers shot the unarmed Ferrell 10 times.
Ferrell, who was African-American, may have been too hurt, too in shock, to remember to whistle Vivaldi to signal he was a victim and not a threat.
Social psychologist Claude Steele's book Whistling Vivaldi: How Stereotypes Affect Us and What We Can Do revolutionized our understanding of the daily context and cognitive effects of stereotypes and bias. The title of Steele's book alludes to a story his friend New York Times writer Brent Staples once shared. An African-American man, Staples recounted how his physical presence terrified whites as he moved about Chicago as a free citizen and graduate student. To counter the negative effects of white fear, he took to whistling Vivaldi. It was a signal to the unvictimized victims of his blackness that he was safe. Dangerous black men do not listen to classical music, or so the hope goes. The incongruence between Staples' musical choices and the stereotype of him as a predator were meant to disrupt the implicit, unexamined racist assumptions about him. It seems an annoying daily accommodation, perhaps, an attempt to make whites feel at ease to grease the wheels of social interactions—unless we fully recognize the potential consequences of white dis-ease for black lives.
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I do not know many black people who do not have some kind of similar coping mechanism. I have been known to wear university-branded clothing when I am shopping for real estate, hopefully drawing on the cultural value of colleges and students to counter any assumptions of me as buyer. A friend straightens her hair when she is job-seeking. Another friend, a Hispanic male, told me that he shaves all his facial hair when entertaining white clients to signal that he is respectable. Although stereotype threat—the anxiety that you are conforming to negative assumptions about your social group—can occur to any member of any group, it occurs most frequently, and with more dangerous consequences, for groups that have more and stronger negative beliefs attached to them.
Of course, the idea that respectability politics will not save you is true. Just as wearing long johns is not a preventative measure against rape for women, affecting middle-class white behaviors is not a protective measure for people of color; it's a talisman. In exerting any measure of control in signaling that we are not dangerous or violent or criminal, we are mostly assuaging the cognitive stress caused by constant management of social situations.
That stress has real consequences. Steele's work led to an entire body of research on those effects. When the object of a stereotype is aware of the negative perception of her, that awareness constrains all manner of ability and performance. But perhaps more interesting to me is what Steele described as the constant background processing that stereotyped people must perform. It's like running too many programs in the background of your computer as you try to play a YouTube video. Just as the extra processing—invisible to the naked eye—impacts the video experience, the cognitive version compromises the functioning of our most sophisticated machines: human bodies.
For all we social scientists like to talk about structural privilege, it might be this social-psychological privilege that is the most valuable. Imagine the productivity of your laptop when all the background programs are closed. Now imagine your life when those background processes are rarely if ever activated, simply because of the social position your genetic characteristics afford you.
The death of Jonathan Ferrell reminds us that stereotyping in daily interactions can be aided and abetted by organizational processes (like the characterization of a police call to 911) and structural legitimacy (like the authority of the police to shoot first and ask questions later). I am choosing to ignore how that process was set in motion. Perhaps better feminist scholars than myself can explore the historical, cultural, gendered fear that legitimizes the unconscious bias toward black men as sexual and criminal predators. I find I do not have the stomach for it today.
I just read an article that quotes Ferrell's family at length. His family's attorney did not just want us to know that Ferrell was a friend and son but that:
"He's engaged to be married, he has a dog and a cat, he was driving a Toyota Camry, he survived an accident, had 3.7 GPA, a chemistry major. This is not someone who posed a threat to the officers or anyone else, this is an everyday American."
A 3.7 GPA. They want us to know that their dead friend, son, brother, and cousin had a 3.7 GPA.
Ferrell may have been too hurt, too in shock to whistle Vivaldi to all the people he encountered the night he was shot. It may not have helped if he had, through slammed doors, over police sirens and gunfire. But even in death his family is whistling Vivaldi on Ferrell's behalf, signaling to us and our adjudication of justice that he was a student, and, by extension, a human being whose death should matter.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 22, 2013, 11:11:07 PM
Maybe I should make this a police brutality megathread. :hmm:
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/crime/2013/09/jonathan_ferrell_shooting_death_the_perils_of_stereotype_threat.html
It probably should be noted that the cop involved was charged with manslaughter very quickly, even before the story broke in the media.