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QuoteAustria cops besiege farmhouse after suspected poacher shoots dead 3 cops, medic
Some 100 armed police surrounded a farmhouse in Austria on Tuesday after a suspected poacher shot dead two officers and an ambulance driver and then killed a third police officer he had taken hostage, officials said.
The suspect set fire to the building where he barricaded himself, but police assumed he was still alive, Interior Minister spokesman Karl-Heinz Grundboeck said. The situation was "still continuing" at 3:50 p.m. local time (9:50 a.m. ET), Grundboeck added.
Armed special forces units officers accompanied by an armored vehicle surrounded the farm in the village of Melk, 40 miles from the Austrian capital Vienna.
Officers found the body of the policeman taken hostage in a nearby building, Grundboeck said. The gunman had already shot two police officers and an ambulance driver.
On Monday night, officials stopped the suspect in a forested near the Alpine ski resort of Annaberg because he had been suspected of poaching for some years, Grundboeck said.
Upon being pulled over, the man "immediately" opened fire on the two police officers, killing one of them, Grundboeck said. The shooter waited in the area until an ambulance driver arrived before opening fire again, killing the medic.
The suspect then fled the scene and was apprehended by another police team in the area, at which point he shot and killed a second officer, Grundboeck said.
The suspect then fled by car to his farmhouse in Melk, about 40 miles away, where he barricaded himself inside. Grundboeck said the body of the officer who had been taken hostage was found nearby, and police did not believe anyone else was in the building.
"We have tried to make contact with the suspect but have so far been unsuccessful," Grundboeck said earlier on Tuesday. "Police are now trying to resolve the situation."
The situation is ongoing.
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(The armored vehicles were used to retrieve the hostage's body.)
Press conference.
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Ban Austrians, I guess.
Quote from: Syt on September 17, 2013, 12:46:55 PM
suspected poacher shoots dead 3 cops
cop season wabbit season cop season wabbit season
Stuff like this is pretty rare here, so it's major news. If you have a shooting, it's usually someone killing their partner, then killing themselves or getting cornered by police.I think in my 8 years in Austria, these may be the first police men killed in the line of duty.
Germans are a violent, militant people. They're just getting restive since they haven't committed a genocide in a few decades.
Steyr AUG, always a good gun in the Rainbow Six games.
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on September 17, 2013, 01:00:59 PM
Germans are a violent, militant people. They're just getting restive since they haven't committed a genocide in a few decades.
Austrians are not as violent or nazi as the Germans.
What's with the little kid in the track suit? :huh:
Will probably end in suicide. Either self-inflicted or by cop.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 17, 2013, 02:25:12 PM
What's with the little kid in the track suit? :huh:
A Serbian participant in the European police exchange program, probably.
When did Zach Galifianakis join the Austrian police force?
3 dead? That wouldn't even make the local news here in the States. #USAnumber1
Quote from: mongers on September 17, 2013, 06:20:00 PM
Quote from: Kleves on September 17, 2013, 05:47:57 PM
3 dead? That wouldn't even make the local news here in the States. #USAnumber1
I nearly post a comment along those lines, which in the circumstance might be seen as a bit insensitive.
But time to move the debate on, here's my contentious viewpoint.
Why are events like the naval depot shooting getting wall to wall coverage and outpourings of public grief for the victims ?
I thought the gun debate had been won with the pro side winning, a significant majority of Americans now consistently supporting little or no change to gun rights.
Why not just accept these events are a natural consequence of having so readily available weapons. And it doesn't appear anyone or any organisation can change that.
So why not just report these events as the 2nd or 3rd news item, give it a couple of minutes and get on reporting and considering the 'real' important news ?
That's unless there isn't some weird grief/breaking news pornography going on, where people actually gain some emotional exercise/workout from reacting to these by now fairly common events ?
I'm guessing for largely the same reasons that there's wall-to-wall coverag and outpouring of public grief for victims of natural disasters.
Quote from: dps on September 17, 2013, 06:25:03 PM
Quote from: mongers on September 17, 2013, 06:20:00 PM
Quote from: Kleves on September 17, 2013, 05:47:57 PM
3 dead? That wouldn't even make the local news here in the States. #USAnumber1
I nearly post a comment along those lines, which in the circumstance might be seen as a bit insensitive.
But time to move the debate on, here's my contentious viewpoint.
Why are events like the naval depot shooting getting wall to wall coverage and outpourings of public grief for the victims ?
I thought the gun debate had been won with the pro side winning, a significant majority of Americans now consistently supporting little or no change to gun rights.
Why not just accept these events are a natural consequence of having so readily available weapons. And it doesn't appear anyone or any organisation can change that.
So why not just report these events as the 2nd or 3rd news item, give it a couple of minutes and get on reporting and considering the 'real' important news ?
That's unless there isn't some weird grief/breaking news pornography going on, where people actually gain some emotional exercise/workout from reacting to these by now fairly common events ?
I'm guessing for largely the same reasons that there's wall-to-wall coverag and outpouring of public grief for victims of natural disasters.
Oops, I actually meant to post this in the Naval shooting yard thread, so I moved it there. Might be best to discuss it there.
Quote from: Kleves on September 17, 2013, 05:47:57 PM
3 dead? That wouldn't even make the local news here in the States. #USAnumber1
4 dead, 3 of them cops and an ambulance driver. One of those cops was taken hostage and then killed, and the suspect still on the loose? Definitely would be on the national news.
Quote from: Syt on September 17, 2013, 12:46:55 PM
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Woah, it looks like they recruited me in their army.
Well, the guy is dead. He was found in a secret room on the farm that was ablaze when police entered by breaking a wall.
A friend of the poacher said he had received a call from him earlier (while there was still a media blackout), where he stated that he was indeed the poacher, and that he had been hit in the stomach. He supposedly said that he had already shot his dog and that the police would never get him alive.
His original crimes: since 2005 he's shot a dozen or so deer in hunting grounds for which he didn't have any license - at night, near roads for easy escape, taking only the heads for trophy and leaving the rest to rot.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 17, 2013, 08:11:17 PM
Quote from: Kleves on September 17, 2013, 05:47:57 PM
3 dead? That wouldn't even make the local news here in the States. #USAnumber1
4 dead, 3 of them cops and an ambulance driver. One of those cops was taken hostage and then killed, and the suspect still on the loose? Definitely would be on the national news.
The (volunteer) medic was 70, and a founder of the local Red Cross station.
Quote from: Syt on September 17, 2013, 10:52:47 PM
Well, the guy is dead. He was found in a secret room on the farm that was ablaze when police entered by breaking a wall.
A friend of the poacher said he had received a call from him earlier (while there was still a media blackout), where he stated that he was indeed the poacher, and that he had been hit in the stomach. He supposedly said that he had already shot his dog and that the police would never get him alive.
His original crimes: since 2005 he's shot a dozen or so deer in hunting grounds for which he didn't have any license - at night, near roads for easy escape, taking only the heads for trophy and leaving the rest to rot.
Had he simply been arrested and convicted on those charges, what kind of sentence would he have faced, if any--I think here it would have just been a hefty fine. Unless poaching has unusually heavy penalties by Euro standards, this seems like an extreme over-reaction.
Quote from: dps on September 18, 2013, 05:41:09 AM
Quote from: Syt on September 17, 2013, 10:52:47 PM
Well, the guy is dead. He was found in a secret room on the farm that was ablaze when police entered by breaking a wall.
A friend of the poacher said he had received a call from him earlier (while there was still a media blackout), where he stated that he was indeed the poacher, and that he had been hit in the stomach. He supposedly said that he had already shot his dog and that the police would never get him alive.
His original crimes: since 2005 he's shot a dozen or so deer in hunting grounds for which he didn't have any license - at night, near roads for easy escape, taking only the heads for trophy and leaving the rest to rot.
Had he simply been arrested and convicted on those charges, what kind of sentence would he have faced, if any--I think here it would have just been a hefty fine. Unless poaching has unusually heavy penalties by Euro standards, this seems like an extreme over-reaction.
If I recall I correctly in Europe poaching the King's deer is considered an assault upon the king himself and is thus high treason. The penalty is death by hanging.
Quote from: dps on September 18, 2013, 05:41:09 AM
Had he simply been arrested and convicted on those charges, what kind of sentence would he have faced, if any--I think here it would have just been a hefty fine. Unless poaching has unusually heavy penalties by Euro standards, this seems like an extreme over-reaction.
A fine, deportation or hard labour:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/7133021.stm
Quote from: dps on September 18, 2013, 05:41:09 AM
Had he simply been arrested and convicted on those charges, what kind of sentence would he have faced, if any--I think here it would have just been a hefty fine. Unless poaching has unusually heavy penalties by Euro standards, this seems like an extreme over-reaction.
There's a max. fine of EUR 3,000 per deer (the trophy sells for max. EUR 500.-). Maybe a year or three on probation?
Quote from: dps on September 18, 2013, 05:41:09 AM
His original crimes: since 2005 he's shot a dozen or so deer in hunting grounds for which he didn't have any license - at night, near roads for easy escape, taking only the heads for trophy and leaving the rest to rot.
Had he simply been arrested and convicted on those charges, what kind of sentence would he have faced, if any--I think here it would have just been a hefty fine. Unless poaching has unusually heavy penalties by Euro standards, this seems like an extreme over-reaction.[/quote]
For somebody that whacks deer and only keeps the heads, "over-reaction" is a delicate term.
More details emerge.
When the first cop went down, his partner, instead of returning fire, dragged the wounded officer behind the car to administer first aid (the victim bled to death).
Instead of fleeing, the poacher stayed for a few more minutes, and when an ambulance arrived he aimed straight for the driver, killing him.
He then fled through the woods, met another police patrol, shot one in the head, hijacked the car, took the other as hostage (and killed him some time before he arrived at his farm - the corpse was in or near the car).
Police found weapons "in the triple digits" in his house, plus many stolen license plates (that were presumably used for his poaching trips). Official cause of death: Bullet to the head.
Ballistic analysis will also check if any of the weapons were used in the attempt to kill a hunter in the area in 2011.
Quote from: Syt on September 18, 2013, 10:23:39 AM
Police found weapons "in the triple digits" in his house, plus many stolen license plates (that were presumably used for his poaching trips). Official cause of death: Bullet to the head.
Background checks, stricter gun control would have prevented this. :lol:
Quote from: 11B4V on September 18, 2013, 11:07:45 AM
Quote from: Syt on September 18, 2013, 10:23:39 AM
Police found weapons "in the triple digits" in his house, plus many stolen license plates (that were presumably used for his poaching trips). Official cause of death: Bullet to the head.
Background checks, stricter gun control would have prevented this. :lol:
That, and ban violent video games.
Quote from: 11B4V on September 18, 2013, 11:07:45 AM
Quote from: Syt on September 18, 2013, 10:23:39 AM
Police found weapons "in the triple digits" in his house, plus many stolen license plates (that were presumably used for his poaching trips). Official cause of death: Bullet to the head.
Background checks, stricter gun control would have prevented this. :lol:
Considering that
a) he had a hunting license (only not in the areas he went to)
b) Austria has only recently required gun owners to register their weapons
you might be right. :)
Quote from: lustindarkness on September 18, 2013, 11:14:46 AM
Quote from: 11B4V on September 18, 2013, 11:07:45 AM
Quote from: Syt on September 18, 2013, 10:23:39 AM
Police found weapons "in the triple digits" in his house, plus many stolen license plates (that were presumably used for his poaching trips). Official cause of death: Bullet to the head.
Background checks, stricter gun control would have prevented this. :lol:
That, and ban violent video games.
And implement midnight basketball.
Quote from: derspiess on September 18, 2013, 11:39:23 AM
Quote from: lustindarkness on September 18, 2013, 11:14:46 AM
Quote from: 11B4V on September 18, 2013, 11:07:45 AM
Quote from: Syt on September 18, 2013, 10:23:39 AM
Police found weapons "in the triple digits" in his house, plus many stolen license plates (that were presumably used for his poaching trips). Official cause of death: Bullet to the head.
Background checks, stricter gun control would have prevented this. :lol:
That, and ban violent video games.
And implement midnight basketball.
Unless it involved using heads as the ball, it may not have interested this guy ... ;)
Interesting factoid: If you apply for a hunting permit in Austria, you require no psychological evaluation (unlike if you apply for a "normal" weapons permit) - though there is an exam that about hunting knowledge, the ecosystem etc.. Also, having a hunting permit cancels the three day waiting period for guns when buying a new one. It allows you to get any kind of hunting rifle.
In the past ten years, 8 members of the police have been killed in the line of duty (out of 23,000 cops). 246 have been severely injured in the past 4 years.
Part of the guy's arsenal:
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Werewolf!! :o
Quote from: Syt on September 18, 2013, 01:06:07 PM
Part of the guy's arsenal:
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Control at work. :P
Quote from: 11B4V on September 18, 2013, 01:28:43 PM
Control at work. :P
Looks like all shotguns from Dick's Sporting Goods to me.
That's some large collection he's got there, must be worth a fair amount, some of it stolen ?
Quote from: Syt on September 18, 2013, 01:06:07 PM
Part of the guy's arsenal:
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It's always prudent to have a spare when you got on a shooting rampage.
I like his dump shit on the floor style.
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 18, 2013, 07:34:25 PM
I like his dump shit on the floor style.
Egads, I hope they don't find one, two or a half-dozen of those shotguns turn out to be property of missing hunters (no not IDEs).
Quote from: mongers on September 18, 2013, 07:37:12 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 18, 2013, 07:34:25 PM
I like his dump shit on the floor style.
Egads, I hope they don't find one, two or a half-dozen of those shotguns turn out to be property of missing hunters (no not IDEs).
Maybe they ALL are. Except maybe his first one.