The 70s were a different age ... :lol:
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Many of my Chinese friends have asked me the question.... "So, why are flight attendants on Air Canada so old?"
Yeah, being a flight attendant in Asia is still seen as relatively prestigious. I have some very intelligent students who want to be one.
The way things should be (tm).
There was a male flight attendant I saw on a couple Southwest flights out of BWI, I think he was using the job to launch his Broadway show tunes career. Definitely heavy on the glitter dust.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 21, 2013, 05:59:42 AM
There was a male flight attendant I saw on a couple Southwest flights out of BWI, I think he was using the job to launch his Broadway show tunes career. Definitely heavy on the glitter dust.
I've noticed those tended to be the better ones.
Motherfucker refilled my Pepsi with a motherfucking smile.
Quote from: Pitiful Pathos on August 21, 2013, 05:21:23 AM
:lol:
Many of my Chinese friends have asked me the question.... "So, why are flight attendants on Air Canada so old?"
I've never been on an Asian airline, but during a layover in Seattle I saw a group of Air China (?) stewardesses board their flight. All I can say is: Ho Lee Fuk :cool: :thumbsup:
I've flown on Korean Air, JAL, Air France, and the Dutch airlines who's name escapes me, and I've never seen flight attendents as old and ugly as American ones.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 21, 2013, 11:13:33 AM
I've flown on Korean Air, JAL, Air France, and the Dutch airlines who's name escapes me, and I've never seen flight attendents as old and ugly as American ones.
The Dutch one = KLM (they've merged with Air France now, I believe, though they're still maintaining separate brands).
Air Canada stewardesses are like American ones - they're the older hosts who've managed to hang on through round after round of layoffs and downsizing (hi seedy!).
Air China (different from China Airlines, of course) and the various regional carriers with international aspiration (China Eastern, Sichuan Airlines, China Southern, Shanghai Airlines, etc) all tend towards young and pretty stewardesses. I think it's for a few reasons - first off, hiring young and pretty girls for service jobs is standard and accepted practice; secondly, as Timmy says, it's still fairly glamorous to be a stewardess in Asia.
I actually get a little creeped out by ads for the Asian airlines where the stewardesses all look perfect and the same, and are eternally smiling. I want an airline, not some cult.
Quote from: DGuller on August 21, 2013, 11:26:07 AM
I actually get a little creeped out by ads for the Asian airlines where the stewardesses all look perfect and the same, and are eternally smiling. I want an airline, not some cult.
Pretty goddamned cool to see in person, though :)
Quote from: DGuller on August 21, 2013, 11:26:07 AM
I actually get a little creeped out by ads for the Asian airlines where the stewardesses all look perfect and the same, and are eternally smiling. I want an airline, not some cult.
What are Russian and Ukrainian stewardesses like?
Quote from: Jacob on August 21, 2013, 11:28:45 AM
Quote from: DGuller on August 21, 2013, 11:26:07 AM
I actually get a little creeped out by ads for the Asian airlines where the stewardesses all look perfect and the same, and are eternally smiling. I want an airline, not some cult.
What are Russian and Ukrainian stewardesses like?
No idea. I've never actually flown on a Russian or Ukrainian airline.
Alitalia seems to have not fully stepped into the modern western outlook on these things, although I'm sure they have on paper.
The Arab Gulf based airlines (Emirates, Ethiad, Qatar, Oman Air) usually have young and fairly good looking stewardesses and they are a poster child of diversity, people from all over the place work in their cabins.
Western countries airlines? Eh. Asian stewardess? Very nice. New Zealand? I almost had to be kicked out of the plane. :)
Quote from: Jacob on August 21, 2013, 11:20:51 AM
Air Canada stewardesses are like American ones - they're the older hosts who've managed to hang on through round after round of layoffs and downsizing (hi seedy!).
This is bang on! Westjet's stewardesses are definitely younger, not always that hot though they're always friendly enough.
KLM had some banging stewardesses when I flew them in the nineties but Thai Airways had the hottest and friendliest stewardesses of any flight i've ever been on.
Quote from: DGuller on August 21, 2013, 11:31:50 AM
Quote from: Jacob on August 21, 2013, 11:28:45 AM
Quote from: DGuller on August 21, 2013, 11:26:07 AM
I actually get a little creeped out by ads for the Asian airlines where the stewardesses all look perfect and the same, and are eternally smiling. I want an airline, not some cult.
What are Russian and Ukrainian stewardesses like?
No idea. I've never actually flown on a Russian or Ukrainian airline.
Obviously not. You're still alive.
The airlines need to get rid of the unions so they can set a flat rate, never increasing wage that only 20 year olds would be willing to work for.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 21, 2013, 12:58:46 PM
The airlines need to get rid of the unions so they can set a flat rate, never increasing wage that only 20 year olds would be willing to work for.
Best way to do it is the way they used to: age cap.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 21, 2013, 01:02:11 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 21, 2013, 12:58:46 PM
The airlines need to get rid of the unions so they can set a flat rate, never increasing wage that only 20 year olds would be willing to work for.
Best way to do it is the way they used to: age cap.
That would probably be illegal.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 21, 2013, 01:08:23 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 21, 2013, 01:02:11 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 21, 2013, 12:58:46 PM
The airlines need to get rid of the unions so they can set a flat rate, never increasing wage that only 20 year olds would be willing to work for.
Best way to do it is the way they used to: age cap.
That would probably be illegal.
Ya think?
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 21, 2013, 01:08:23 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 21, 2013, 01:02:11 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 21, 2013, 12:58:46 PM
The airlines need to get rid of the unions so they can set a flat rate, never increasing wage that only 20 year olds would be willing to work for.
Best way to do it is the way they used to: age cap.
That would probably be illegal.
Gee, I wonder why.
Quote from: merithyn on August 21, 2013, 01:18:54 PM
Gee, I wonder why.
Because Bella Abzug was a spiteful old hag.
Bingo.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 21, 2013, 12:58:46 PM
The airlines need to get rid of the unions so they can set a flat rate, never increasing wage that only 20 year olds would be willing to work for.
You have to be 21 years old to serve alcohol. Union hater.
A big part of it is probally crappy wages for practically everyone. Air stewardesses can't get married and go off to stay home and shit out babies ye olde style, both members of the couple have to keep working.
KLM stewardesses are bonny but the uniform is ugly and unflattering, they all wear bright blue trousers :x ([/gay])
When I flew British airways it was bizzare. The Japanese stewardesses were somewhat hot in a mature sort of way. The British ones were of course frumpy old posh ladies.
Quote from: Tyr on August 21, 2013, 03:26:15 PM
A big part of it is probally crappy wages for practically everyone. Air stewardesses can't get married and go off to stay home and shit out babies ye olde style, both members of the couple have to keep working.
:huh:
Quote from: garbon on August 21, 2013, 03:29:48 PM
Quote from: Tyr on August 21, 2013, 03:26:15 PM
A big part of it is probally crappy wages for practically everyone. Air stewardesses can't get married and go off to stay home and shit out babies ye olde style, both members of the couple have to keep working.
:huh:
What?
Its the way things were back in the Mad Men days. Lots of hot young secretaries, air stewardesses, etc... as 90% of them were just working for a few years until they got married. A family living off a single salary was a vialble proposition (plus of course other reasons; house work being more of a full time job, crappy women's rights, etc...)
(Asia still largely works this way. Banks in Japan- hotness central)
This time you sort of made sense, Josq.
Garbon, he's saying that back when being a stewardess was mainly a job for attractive young women to do until they met a successful business man to marry and be the sole breadwinner you'd tend to get young pretty ones. Now that that social pattern no longer holds (fewer women aim to land a successful husband as their primary career strategy; more families need two incomes so the hot young stewardesses keep working even after they're married), we tend to see fewer nubile young ladies.
It is reasonable, but totally overshadowed by the fact that airlines used to have hard caps on age and explicitly hired for looks, both of which got legislated away.
I'm willing to bet that the hottness of Asian airlines has nothing to do with two income families blah blah and everything to do with the fact that they toss them out the door at a certain age.
That's one Asian custom I'm willing to adopt.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 21, 2013, 04:29:00 PM
I'm willing to bet that the hottness of Asian airlines has nothing to do with two income families blah blah and everything to do with the fact that they toss them out the door at a certain age.
You think it might be something to do with a cultural approach to the image of certain customer-driven services, particularly as a visible extension of the company?
I wouldn't think Asian approaches to the service industries are as negative as they are here, where stewardess = waitress and trashed accordingly.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 21, 2013, 04:29:00 PM
It is reasonable, but totally overshadowed by the fact that airlines used to have hard caps on age and explicitly hired for looks, both of which got legislated away.
I'm willing to bet that the hottness of Asian airlines has nothing to do with two income families blah blah and everything to do with the fact that they toss them out the door at a certain age.
I concur.
I was merely clarifying Josq's position to garbon, not endorsing it.
In fact, I'm reasonably certain that the Chinese airlines have things like body measurements, height and weight as part of the job requirements.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 21, 2013, 04:33:53 PM
You think it might be something to do with a cultural approach to the image of certain customer-driven services, particularly as a visible extension of the company?
I wouldn't think Asian approaches to the service industries are as negative as they are here, where stewardess = waitress and trashed accordingly.
If US airlines could get away with it, I'm sure they would. Neither do I think there would be a dearth of hott applicants.
I dated a flight attendant once and she said it's the best waitress job there is.
Yeah, its mainly a social/cultural thing in Asia. Its just the expected thing from a lot of girls that they will stop working when they get married.
Though socially East Asian countries are a bit behind the times when it comes to women's rights, legally they (well, Japan and probally the other non-evil ones) tend to be pretty comparable to the west.
Quote from: Jacob on August 21, 2013, 04:35:14 PM
I was merely clarifying Josq's position to garbon, not endorsing it.
To be fair, I understood it - I just didn't think it was particularly compelling as the reason for the shift. -_-
I regret not having made my career in the airline industry. The free travel perk would've been a dream come true. Wife & I are friends with a couple that are both retired from Delta-- awesome people and they're constantly flying all over the damned world. They enjoy the hell out of it but it's kind of wasted on them, as they enjoy all the superficial stuff but have no idea about the history or actual culture of the places they visit.
Quote from: garbon on August 21, 2013, 04:46:37 PM
Quote from: Jacob on August 21, 2013, 04:35:14 PM
I was merely clarifying Josq's position to garbon, not endorsing it.
To be fair, I understood it - I just didn't think it was particularly compelling as the reason for the shift. -_-
I thought that was common knowledge :huh:
Quote from: derspiess on August 21, 2013, 04:46:55 PM
I regret not having made my career in the airline industry. The free travel perk would've been a dream come true. Wife & I are friends with a couple that are both retired from Delta-- awesome people and they're constantly flying all over the damned world. They enjoy the hell out of it but it's kind of wasted on them, as they enjoy all the superficial stuff but have no idea about the history or actual culture of the places they visit.
According to friends of mine who working in tourism, being part of the cabin crew (pilots + hostesses) is absolute poison for stable relationships. All the older pilots they knew were in their 3rd or 4th marriages, and pilots and hostesses bed each other like crazy.
Quote from: derspiess on August 21, 2013, 04:47:44 PM
Quote from: garbon on August 21, 2013, 04:46:37 PM
Quote from: Jacob on August 21, 2013, 04:35:14 PM
I was merely clarifying Josq's position to garbon, not endorsing it.
To be fair, I understood it - I just didn't think it was particularly compelling as the reason for the shift. -_-
I thought that was common knowledge :huh:
That the inability to raise a family on one income lead to the decline in attractive stewardesses rather than the removal of gender and age discrimination in hiring/firing practices? :huh:
Quote from: garbon on August 21, 2013, 04:52:26 PM
Quote from: derspiess on August 21, 2013, 04:47:44 PM
Quote from: garbon on August 21, 2013, 04:46:37 PM
Quote from: Jacob on August 21, 2013, 04:35:14 PM
I was merely clarifying Josq's position to garbon, not endorsing it.
To be fair, I understood it - I just didn't think it was particularly compelling as the reason for the shift. -_-
I thought that was common knowledge :huh:
That the inability to raise a family on one income lead to the decline in attractive stewardesses rather than the removal of gender and age discrimination in hiring/firing practices? :huh:
I said it was also part of it, not the only reason.
Did any of you see Pan Am, which was basically about air stewardesses in the early 60s? Not surprised, it was crap. But the first episode showed them turning up for regular weighing, measuring and grooming inspections. The actresses had to wear longline bras and girdles to get the right shape and posture.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 21, 2013, 04:29:00 PM
It is reasonable, but totally overshadowed by the fact that airlines used to have hard caps on age and explicitly hired for looks, both of which got legislated away.
Which is a good thing, it's fucked up to believe otherwise.
:huh: Who cares what they look like? Give me my damn peanuts and Biscoff crackers, bitch.
Quote from: Caliga on August 22, 2013, 07:09:11 AM
:huh: Who cares what they look like? Give me my damn peanuts and Biscoff crackers, bitch.
:yes: Seriously. You can't have sex with them, you can't even masturbate while looking at them without getting a long and threatening lecture, so what exactly is the point of having stewardesses all at 10?
Take pictures with your phone and wait until you get to the hotel.
Quote from: Brazen on August 22, 2013, 04:55:04 AM
Did any of you see Pan Am, which was basically about air stewardesses in the early 60s? Not surprised, it was crap. But the first episode showed them turning up for regular weighing, measuring and grooming inspections. The actresses had to wear longline bras and girdles to get the right shape and posture.
Yeah, saw the first two or so episodes. Only moderate whacking material.
Quote from: The Larch on August 21, 2013, 04:51:29 PM
According to friends of mine who working in tourism, being part of the cabin crew (pilots + hostesses) is absolute poison for stable relationships. All the older pilots they knew were in their 3rd or 4th marriages, and pilots and hostesses bed each other like crazy.
I can imagine. The couple we know (as well as a couple ex-ComAir people I know) worked in administrative/management type jobs rather than in the flight crew, but they've told similar stories.
What, pilots have egos big enough to have libidos like bunny wabbits? Shocking.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 22, 2013, 08:22:39 AMWhat, pilots have egos big enough to have libidos like bunny wabbits? Shocking.
According to my friends, both quite attractive women, pilots will hit on anything with two X cromosomes that they encounter.
Quote from: The Larch on August 22, 2013, 09:23:16 AM
According to my friends, both quite attractive women, pilots will hit on anything with two X cromosomes that they encounter.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klinefelter_syndrome
Quote from: DGuller on August 22, 2013, 07:30:52 AM
Quote from: Caliga on August 22, 2013, 07:09:11 AM
:huh: Who cares what they look like? Give me my damn peanuts and Biscoff crackers, bitch.
:yes: Seriously. You can't have sex with them, you can't even masturbate while looking at them without getting a long and threatening lecture, so what exactly is the point of having stewardesses all at 10?
You're on a trip someplace where you're staying at a hotel for the night, they are doing the same thing, in the same place as you. Everybody's looking for a good time. You get to see them and chat them up before they land and get off work for the evening. It's a logistical perfect storm.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on August 22, 2013, 02:06:37 PM
Quote from: DGuller on August 22, 2013, 07:30:52 AM
Quote from: Caliga on August 22, 2013, 07:09:11 AM
:huh: Who cares what they look like? Give me my damn peanuts and Biscoff crackers, bitch.
:yes: Seriously. You can't have sex with them, you can't even masturbate while looking at them without getting a long and threatening lecture, so what exactly is the point of having stewardesses all at 10?
You're on a trip someplace where you're staying at a hotel for the night, they are doing the same thing, in the same place as you. Everybody's looking for a good time. You get to see them and chat them up before they land and get off work for the evening. It's a logistical perfect storm.
That would require DGuller to be charming and sexy. That is a rather tall order.
Quote from: Caliga on August 22, 2013, 07:09:11 AM
:huh: Who cares what they look like? Give me my damn peanuts and Biscoff crackers, bitch.
I do. Everything in life is better with hott chicks.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on August 22, 2013, 02:06:37 PM
You're on a trip someplace where you're staying at a hotel for the night, they are doing the same thing, in the same place as you. Everybody's looking for a good time. You get to see them and chat them up before they land and get off work for the evening. It's a logistical perfect storm.
The Delta flight crew for Bengals charter flights are fun to hang with. No hanky panky, of course.