QuoteIt was called "the shot that changed the republic." The killing in 1967 of an unarmed demonstrator by a police officer in West Berlin set off a left-wing protest movement and put conservative West Germany on course to evolve into the progressive country it has become today.
Now a discovery in the archives of the East German secret police, known as the Stasi, has upended Germany (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/international/countriesandterritories/germany/index.html?inline=nyt-geo)'s perception of its postwar history. The killer, Karl-Heinz Kurras, though working for the West Berlin police, was at the time also acting as a Stasi spy for East Germany.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/27/world/europe/27germany.html?_r=1 (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/27/world/europe/27germany.html?_r=1)
Wow.
I would have suspected that right from the begining.
We always knew that the social democratic states were designed as an attack on the West by communists.
Quote from: Neil on May 28, 2009, 07:34:40 PM
We always knew that the social democratic states were designed as an attack on the West by communists.
Indeed, the communists thought liberal democracies would be too morally weak to resist.
Quote from: Neil on May 28, 2009, 07:34:40 PM
We always knew that the social democratic states were designed as an attack on the West by communists.
Yes. It is good, though, to see the Krauts killing each other for a change, and not liquidating Maritnus.
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on May 28, 2009, 08:25:35 PM
Quote from: Neil on May 28, 2009, 07:34:40 PM
We always knew that the social democratic states were designed as an attack on the West by communists.
Yes. It is good, though, to see the Krauts killing each other for a change, and not liquidating Maritnus.
Wait why is that good?
Quote from: Razgovory on May 28, 2009, 08:33:28 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on May 28, 2009, 08:25:35 PM
Quote from: Neil on May 28, 2009, 07:34:40 PM
We always knew that the social democratic states were designed as an attack on the West by communists.
Yes. It is good, though, to see the Krauts killing each other for a change, and not liquidating Maritnus.
Wait why is that good?
Because then they'd go goose stepping all over the place and causing the price of bad beer and good sausages to go through the roof.
Really it goes to show that conservatives are really leftists in disguise with the intent to destroy our country. Thus right wingers must be purged to prevent leftist infiltration.
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on May 28, 2009, 08:36:46 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on May 28, 2009, 08:33:28 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on May 28, 2009, 08:25:35 PM
Quote from: Neil on May 28, 2009, 07:34:40 PM
We always knew that the social democratic states were designed as an attack on the West by communists.
Yes. It is good, though, to see the Krauts killing each other for a change, and not liquidating Maritnus.
Wait why is that good?
Because then they'd go goose stepping all over the place and causing the price of bad beer and good sausages to go through the roof.
So long as they just kill Marty... Or maybe just beat him up regularly.
Wow, that's crazy.
Not too surprising though.
Quote from: Siege on May 28, 2009, 07:39:19 PM
Indeed, the communists thought liberal democracies would be too morally weak to resist.
So did fascists across Europe. We outlasted both.
Quote from: Siege on May 28, 2009, 07:28:55 PM
I would have suspected that right from the begining.
Kurras was in the anti-espionage department of the Berlin police later. :P
Quote from: Zanza2 on May 29, 2009, 12:40:53 AM
Quote from: Siege on May 28, 2009, 07:28:55 PM
I would have suspected that right from the begining.
Kurras was in the anti-espionage department of the Berlin police later. :P
It takes one to know one? :P
I read a fantastic book recently on the Stasi; if there's one thing you can walk away with, it's knowing that the Germans are sick sadistic fucks regardless of the flag they were flying. Nazis, DDR, doesn't matter.
In a sense, we should all be glad they're reduced to neutered Euroweenie carebears restricting their penchant for control to the accounting and automotive sciences.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 29, 2009, 05:25:05 AM
I read a fantastic book recently on the Stasi; if there's one thing you can walk away with, it's knowing that the Germans are sick sadistic fucks regardless of the flag they were flying. Nazis, DDR, doesn't matter.
Was it this one? http://www.amazon.co.uk/Stasi-Untold-German-Secret-Police/dp/0813337445
Excellent book, in any case.
I also recommend the superb Stasiland by Anna Funder:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Stasiland-Stories-Behind-Berlin-Wall/dp/1862076553
Though it's not necessarily history as much as it's a recording of individual stories by various people who suffered at the hands of the Stasi, were in the Stasi or spied for them.
Quote from: Sheilbh on May 29, 2009, 09:35:06 AM
I also recommend the superb Stasiland by Anna Funder:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Stasiland-Stories-Behind-Berlin-Wall/dp/1862076553
Though it's not necessarily history as much as it's a recording of individual stories by various people who suffered at the hands of the Stasi, were in the Stasi or spied for them.
Adding that to my list; thanks.
Quote from: derspiess on May 29, 2009, 10:11:48 AM
Quote from: Sheilbh on May 29, 2009, 09:35:06 AM
I also recommend the superb Stasiland by Anna Funder:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Stasiland-Stories-Behind-Berlin-Wall/dp/1862076553
Though it's not necessarily history as much as it's a recording of individual stories by various people who suffered at the hands of the Stasi, were in the Stasi or spied for them.
Adding that to my list; thanks.
You know your have terrible taste in politics and religion but you first are rate in Baseball.
Aw the fanbois are out wanking to German evility. Cute.