Dozens dead.
That does not look good. :(
Damn, a bad one. :(
One of the survivors said he knew he was very lucky to survive and not be badly injured.
Damn, looks terrible! At least 45 dead and 70 injured! :(
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/07/24/19661944-dozens-dead-scores-injured-as-train-derails-in-spain?lite
Now up to 77 deaths, just a few kilometers away from the train station to Saint-Jacques-de-Compostelle, a famous Catholic pilgrimage site. :(
Alvia is not a high-speed train. AVE is.
Awful.
Yesterday, I was thinking about taking one of those Alvia trains from Irún to Puebla de Sanabria/Póvoa de Seabra i.e Bragança since the timetables were changed and improved recently...
According to El Pais
http://politica.elpais.com/politica/2013/07/24/actualidad/1374701732_356780.html (http://politica.elpais.com/politica/2013/07/24/actualidad/1374701732_356780.html)
seems excessive speed is to blame (180 kph vs 80 kph), though a steep (?!) curve where speed is limited to 80 kph (?!) is not standard. The El Pais alludes to a track done on the cheap...
Bad series for trains, another derailment after the one in Brétigny, in Île-de-France.
Iormlund:
for US'ers it is since it can reach 250 kph but it's more of an hybrid. The French criterion for high-speed is more than 220 kph as cruise speed, not sure if the UIC agrees. If it's on improved tracks, it could be less like more than 160 or 200, otherwise on new lines it should be more at least 250 kph.
190kph in a 80kph zone? What did they think would happen?
http://www.thelocal.es/20130725/driver-ave-santiago
Our rail maintenance company has assured our worried passengers that this kind of accident could never happen in Denmark. Which is nice, but not true.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 25, 2013, 06:26:18 AM
190kph in a 80kph zone? What did they think would happen?
http://www.thelocal.es/20130725/driver-ave-santiago
Any train service that can run with those speeds requires a security system that can control the train's speed. Pretty sure that's EU regulations.
So how and why the train was going at that speed is quite odd.
Woah, the video was intense. Trains crashing into support beams and then the concrete wall is pretty nasty (though I guess you can kind of figure that already from the death toll).
Driver is taken into custody, apparently he was a dick.
Is that a crime in Spain?
Quote from: Maximus on July 25, 2013, 02:02:15 PM
Is that a crime in Spain?
It should be in every country. :P
Wow, the video was tough to watch, a train crashing like that, knowing that it's loaded with so many passengers. :(
Quote from: Liep on July 25, 2013, 01:59:29 PM
Driver is taken into custody, apparently he was a dick.
If you say that because of the "I'm doing 200 km/h, weeeee" Facebook thing, that was not from this trip, but one last year.
Quote from: Liep on July 25, 2013, 02:09:48 PM
Quote from: Maximus on July 25, 2013, 02:02:15 PM
Is that a crime in Spain?
It should be in every country. :P
Then we really will have killed Languish. :(
Well except for maybe in frou frou Scandinavian prisons.
Quote from: garbon on July 25, 2013, 02:18:06 PM
Well except for maybe in frou frou Scandinavian prisons.
I don't get the reference. :(
Apparently the cruising speed before that bend is around 220 km/h and this train doesn't have automatic speed control (unlike high-speed AVE). So it probably was just a human error, the driver getting distracted and forgetting to slow down.
Quote from: The Larch on July 25, 2013, 02:12:59 PM
Quote from: Liep on July 25, 2013, 01:59:29 PM
Driver is taken into custody, apparently he was a dick.
If you say that because of the "I'm doing 200 km/h, weeeee" Facebook thing, that was not from this trip, but one last year.
I really have no opinion of the man yet, but the newspaper article I read before posting did. :P
How are you handling it down there, btw?
Quote from: Liep on July 25, 2013, 02:24:27 PM
Quote from: garbon on July 25, 2013, 02:18:06 PM
Well except for maybe in frou frou Scandinavian prisons.
I don't get the reference. :(
Didn't we have that article here about some sort of Scandinavian prison where prisoners had all of these privileges (though it actually seemed more like a halfway house). I was suggesting that might be the only place where Languish dicks would be allowed online. :P
Ah yes, I think that was from Norway. And I'm sure prisoners are allowed internet time here too, even if the allotted time only permits limited dickery.
Quote from: garbon on July 25, 2013, 02:18:06 PM
Quote from: Liep on July 25, 2013, 02:09:48 PM
Quote from: Maximus on July 25, 2013, 02:02:15 PM
Is that a crime in Spain?
It should be in every country. :P
Then we really will have killed Languish. :(
Well except for maybe in frou frou Scandinavian prisons.
EUROFASCISM.
To be fair, though, in Denmark, I'd be a much nicer person. Place is like Canada Plus.
Quote from: Ideologue on July 25, 2013, 02:48:02 PM
Quote from: garbon on July 25, 2013, 02:18:06 PM
Quote from: Liep on July 25, 2013, 02:09:48 PM
Quote from: Maximus on July 25, 2013, 02:02:15 PM
Is that a crime in Spain?
It should be in every country. :P
Then we really will have killed Languish. :(
Well except for maybe in frou frou Scandinavian prisons.
EUROFASCISM.
To be fair, though, in Denmark, I'd be a much nicer person. Place is like Canada Plus.
I don't think I'd be nicer in either place. I'd probably be nicer if I lived in San Diego.
Quote from: Liep on July 25, 2013, 02:28:40 PM
Quote from: The Larch on July 25, 2013, 02:12:59 PM
Quote from: Liep on July 25, 2013, 01:59:29 PM
Driver is taken into custody, apparently he was a dick.
If you say that because of the "I'm doing 200 km/h, weeeee" Facebook thing, that was not from this trip, but one last year.
I really have no opinion of the man yet, but the newspaper article I read before posting did. :P
How are you handling it down there, btw?
I think that everybody is still quite shellshocked, it was all so random. The bodycount is atrocious, nothing like that has ever happened over here, at least in living memory. The only thing that comes to mind is the 11-M Madrid train bombings. Plenty of heartwarming stories about common people generosity amongst the carnage, though.
Driver charged with 79 counts of reckless homicide
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/07/28/19734279-driver-of-derailed-spanish-train-charged-with-79-counts-of-homicide?lite
QuoteAlaez set the following conditions of release: Garzon must check in regularly with the court, surrender his passport and not drive trains.
I guess not.
Swiss trains collide head on! :wacko:
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/07/29/world/europe/switzerland-train-collision/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 29, 2013, 01:16:19 AM
Driver charged with 79 counts of reckless homicide
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/07/28/19734279-driver-of-derailed-spanish-train-charged-with-79-counts-of-homicide?lite
Six months' on-the-job probation.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 29, 2013, 07:12:11 AM
QuoteAlaez set the following conditions of release: Garzon must check in regularly with the court, surrender his passport and not drive trains.
I guess not.
Whoa. More severe than I expected. :o
Quote from: Ideologue on July 29, 2013, 11:38:25 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 29, 2013, 07:12:11 AM
QuoteAlaez set the following conditions of release: Garzon must check in regularly with the court, surrender his passport and not drive trains.
I guess not.
Whoa. More severe than I expected. :o
I laughed :D
Why can't he drive trains? I'm sure he learned his lesson.
Quote from: Ideologue on July 29, 2013, 11:38:25 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 29, 2013, 07:12:11 AM
QuoteAlaez set the following conditions of release: Garzon must check in regularly with the court, surrender his passport and not drive trains.
I guess not.
Whoa. More severe than I expected. :o
That's for bail, not final sentence. If found guilty of negligent homicide he could spend 12 years in jail.
Quote from: Iormlund on July 30, 2013, 01:49:20 AM
That's for bail, not final sentence. If found guilty of negligent homicide he could spend 12 years in jail.
:o I thought Euros didn't do consecutive sentences? :huh:
In this instance multiple victims do add up, but just up to three max total.
Quote from: DGuller on July 30, 2013, 01:52:23 AM
Quote from: Iormlund on July 30, 2013, 01:49:20 AM
That's for bail, not final sentence. If found guilty of negligent homicide he could spend 12 years in jail.
:o I thought Euros didn't do consecutive sentences? :huh:
:D
Damn that video of the crash is nearly as shocking as the 1st plane hitting the WTC. :(