Keep it classy, Italy. :rolleyes:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-23310837
QuoteItaly racism row: Cecile Kyenge compared to orangutan
An Italian senator has been pressured into apologising after he said the country's first black cabinet minister reminded him of an orangutan.
Roberto Calderoli, from the anti-immigration Northern League, told a rally that the success of Integration Minister Cecile Kyenge encouraged "illegal immigrants" to come to Italy.
Ms Kyenge is an Italian citizen born in the Democratic Republic of Congo.
It is the latest in a series of rows over racism in Italy.
"I love animals - bears and wolves, as everyone knows - but when I see the pictures of Kyenge I cannot but think of, even if I'm not saying she is one, the features of an orangutan," Mr Calderoli said in a speech to a rally in the northern city of Treviso on Saturday.
He also said Ms Kyenge should be a minister "in her own country".
'Beyond all limits'
Mr Calderoli's words ignited a storm of criticism on social media and from political leaders.
Prime Minister Enrico Letta said the comments went "beyond all limits" and he offered "full solidarity and support to Cecile".
At first Mr Calderoli offered only a qualified apology, saying his words were part of a larger debate about immigration.
But by Sunday evening, he told the Italian news agency Ansa that he had called Ms Kyenge himself to apologise.
Ms Kyenge is a Congolese-born doctor who has lived in Italy since 1983.
The Northern League has expelled a local politician who suggested on Facebook that someone should rape Ms Kyenge so that she "can understand what victims of atrocious crimes feel".
And a Northern League member of the European Parliament was expelled from his party grouping after he said Ms Kyenge wanted to impose "tribal traditions" in Italy.
And:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/europe/Noose-protest-against-Italys-first-black-minister-Cecile-Kyenge/articleshow/21087304.cms
QuoteItalian police on Monday were investigating far-right militants suspected of hanging nooses to protest Italy's first black minister Cecile Kyenge, two days after a senator compared her to an orangutan.
The nooses appeared on lampposts with posters signed by far-right group Forza Nuova in the city of Pescara, where the minister for integration was visiting for a conference on immigration and citizenship.
"Immigration, the noose of the people!" read one of the slogans on the posters. Another said: "Everyone should live in their own country".
Quote from: Syt on July 15, 2013, 03:46:22 PM
Keep it classy, Italy. :rolleyes:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-23310837
And:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/europe/Noose-protest-against-Italys-first-black-minister-Cecile-Kyenge/articleshow/21087304.cms
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"Immigration, the noose of the people!" read one of the slogans on the posters. Another said: "Everyone should live in their own country".
That's rich considering all the WOPs that have moved to the New World.
It's the Lega Nord, the trollest of all troll political parties. Their utter rudeness and lack of any tact whatsoever is like a badge of honour for them.
Well, he said he was sorry. Jeez...
Quote from: derspiess on July 15, 2013, 05:58:51 PM
Well, he said he was sorry. Jeez...
It was a BS apology.
Italy :bleeding:
What is the job description/purpose of a "minister for integration"?
Quote from: Phillip V on July 15, 2013, 06:45:39 PM
What is the job description/purpose of a "minister for integration"?
I imagine they're responsible for the various programs to support integrating immigrants.
Are her mixed-race daughters attractive?
Quote from: Sheilbh on July 15, 2013, 06:50:08 PM
Quote from: Phillip V on July 15, 2013, 06:45:39 PM
What is the job description/purpose of a "minister for integration"?
I imagine they're responsible for the various programs to support integrating immigrants.
IIRC her main activity is drafting a new citizenship law that would automatically give Italian citizenship to Italian born children of inmigrant parents, which the Lega Nord is die hard against. For instance Mario Balotelli, born in Palermo to two Ghanaian (IIRC) inmigrants was only allowed to get Italian nationality when he turned 18.
Quote from: katmai on July 15, 2013, 08:17:09 PM
Quote from: derspiess on July 15, 2013, 06:35:29 PM
Quote from: The Larch on July 15, 2013, 06:15:52 PM
Quote from: derspiess on July 15, 2013, 05:58:51 PM
Well, he said he was sorry. Jeez...
It was a BS apology.
And mine was a BS post ;)
Uh aren't all your posts BS, so no need to clarify.
Words hurt :(
Quote from: The Larch on July 15, 2013, 08:28:56 PM
IIRC her main activity is drafting a new citizenship law that would automatically give Italian citizenship to Italian born children of inmigrant parents, which the Lega Nord is die hard against. For instance Mario Balotelli, born in Palermo to two Ghanaian (IIRC) inmigrants was only allowed to get Italian nationality when he turned 18.
After she's done do they abolish the position?
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 15, 2013, 08:37:57 PM
Quote from: The Larch on July 15, 2013, 08:28:56 PM
IIRC her main activity is drafting a new citizenship law that would automatically give Italian citizenship to Italian born children of inmigrant parents, which the Lega Nord is die hard against. For instance Mario Balotelli, born in Palermo to two Ghanaian (IIRC) inmigrants was only allowed to get Italian nationality when he turned 18.
After she's done do they abolish the position?
Why should they? It's not as if integration is magically achieved once citizenship is awarded. I only said that was currently her main project and the one from which she's drawing so much heat from reactionary racist bastards like the Lega Nord.
Integration has been happening on it's own for...well ever since humans became mobile enough to travel to different cultures I guess.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on July 15, 2013, 09:21:30 PM
Integration has been happening on it's own for...well ever since humans became mobile enough to travel to different cultures I guess.
It's a hot topic in Austria a well. One of the projects enacted in the name of integration is mandatory German tests before kids (Austrian and immigrant alike) are let into elementary school. If the German skills are insufficient they have to spend a year catching up. It's a response to a lot of second and third generation immigrants, especially from Turkey, speaking broken or not very much German (not that their Turkish skills are much better - the vast majority of Turkish immigrants are not exactly university trained).
The Lega Nord is like the Lettows and grallons of Italy right?
Quote from: Syt on July 15, 2013, 11:00:33 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on July 15, 2013, 09:21:30 PM
Integration has been happening on it's own for...well ever since humans became mobile enough to travel to different cultures I guess.
It's a hot topic in Austria a well. One of the projects enacted in the name of integration is mandatory German tests before kids (Austrian and immigrant alike) are let into elementary school. If the German skills are insufficient they have to spend a year catching up. It's a response to a lot of second and third generation immigrants, especially from Turkey, speaking broken or not very much German (not that their Turkish skills are much better - the vast majority of Turkish immigrants are not exactly university trained).
Automatically giving citizenship to sons of immigrants is all well and nice but does not make them well integrated citizens indeed so I can see the reason for this Austrian bill.
There was once a requirement of being able to read and write to become French for immigrants' son instead of just becoming it automatically when reaching 16-18 but the left deemed it reactionary.
So there aren't any French children? You only become French at a certain age?
Quote from: derspiess on July 15, 2013, 08:31:17 PM
Quote from: katmai on July 15, 2013, 08:17:09 PM
Quote from: derspiess on July 15, 2013, 06:35:29 PM
Quote from: The Larch on July 15, 2013, 06:15:52 PM
Quote from: derspiess on July 15, 2013, 05:58:51 PM
Well, he said he was sorry. Jeez...
It was a BS apology.
And mine was a BS post ;)
Uh aren't all your posts BS, so no need to clarify.
Words hurt :(
Tell me about it, Dguller had me crying last night.
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on July 16, 2013, 02:09:56 AMAutomatically giving citizenship to sons of immigrants is all well and nice but does not make them well integrated citizens indeed so I can see the reason for this Austrian bill.
Actually, it's also useful for kids born to Austrian parents, if they're from certain social strata that don't exactly put a premium on teaching their kids proper grammar.
Another thing that the integration minster here looks at is why foreigners and people with migrant backgrounds feature disproportionally in the unemployed statistics and, connected to this, why a lot of them are badly educated (this is a bigger problem of the Austrian society, though - despite efforts to offer studying at university to anyone qualified, kids of parents who also studied that go to university are still vastly overrepresented compared to, say, kids from working class backgrounds.
Quote from: Syt on July 16, 2013, 02:29:43 AM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on July 16, 2013, 02:09:56 AMAutomatically giving citizenship to sons of immigrants is all well and nice but does not make them well integrated citizens indeed so I can see the reason for this Austrian bill.
Actually, it's also useful for kids born to Austrian parents, if they're from certain social strata that don't exactly put a premium on teaching their kids proper grammar.
Another thing that the integration minster here looks at is why foreigners and people with migrant backgrounds feature disproportionally in the unemployed statistics and, connected to this, why a lot of them are badly educated (this is a bigger problem of the Austrian society, though - despite efforts to offer studying at university to anyone qualified, kids of parents who also studied that go to university are still vastly overrepresented compared to, say, kids from working class backgrounds.
:yes: This would have been indeed of use to people like Ribéry with his awful French grammar. :frog:
However, given that ethnicity question are banned in the census and other national stats due to the usual suspects, I can't see that happening in the near future.
Quote from: katmai on July 16, 2013, 02:29:09 AM
Tell me about it, Dguller had me crying last night.
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Quote from: Razgovory on July 15, 2013, 11:49:23 PMThe Lega Nord is like the Lettows and grallons of Italy right?
Good definition. :lol: Add a dash of "we don't want our riches to go to dirty southerners" and you got it.
Quote from: The Larch on July 16, 2013, 07:23:23 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on July 15, 2013, 11:49:23 PMThe Lega Nord is like the Lettows and grallons of Italy right?
Good definition. :lol: Add a dash of "we don't want our riches to go to dirty southerners" and you got it.
Reminds me of Black Dragon when he posted.
you stupid racist Americans!
5 seconds later...
Stupid Sicilian niggers!
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 15, 2013, 08:37:57 PM
After she's done do they abolish the position?
From my understanding if they want to, yeah. She's a minister without portfolio so they don't have a specific department, rather they're responsible for policy in a certain area (that may cross departments) or for drafting specific laws, or both. What ministers you have like that and what they're for is normally up to the PM and is about the government's priorities. If the next government decides they don't need or want that position then there's no need to keep it.
So the current Italian government also has a minister for public administration and simplification who'll similarly have responsibilities across departments, and a minister for the regions. The Monti cabinet had both those positions too. Berlusconi's last government had one minister for public administration and one for simplification, none for integration and so on. I think the US equivalent would be a 'x Czar' except these are ministers with some civil servant support and a cabinet seat.
The UK is, I think, the furthest in Europe in that the departments can also be entirely reorganised at the whim of the Prime Minister. So since 1992, the Department for Education became the Department for Education and Employment, then Department for Education and Skills, then Department for Children, Schools and Families and is now back as the Department for Education.
Italian cabinets always have bucketloads of positions and they change all the time. I don't think that two governments have had the same set of cabinet positions for ages.
Does the UK government still have the The Minister for Not Listening to People?
Or the Minister for Running Upstairs Two at a Time, Flinging the Door Open and Saying 'Ha, hal Caught you, Mildred'?
We should start a letter-writing campaign to make one of our Brits the Minister of Silly Walks.