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Title: Britain hits the jackpot, finds largest shale gas deposit in the world
Post by: jimmy olsen on July 15, 2013, 03:36:18 AM
That's a hell of a lot of natural gas!

www.bgs.ac.uk/shalegas/#ad-image-0
QuoteThe lower limit of the range is 822 tcf* and the upper limit is 2281 tcf, but the central estimate for the resource is 1329 tcf.

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/project_syndicate/2013/07/fracking_britain_should_tap_its_shale_gas_field.html
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The Gas Is Greener
Britain's shale gas can provide energy security and jobs, and it's cheaper than offshore wind.

By Bjørn Lomborg|Posted Sunday, July 14, 2013, at 7:00 AM

In late June, the British Geological Survey announced the world's largest shale-gas field. The Bowland Shale, which lies beneath Lancashire and Yorkshire, contains 50 percent more gas than the combined reserves of two of the largest fields in the United States, the Barnett Shale and the Marcellus Shale.

The United Kingdom has been reluctant to join the fracking revolution. Yet tapping the Bowland Shale could reignite the U.K. economy and deliver huge cuts in CO2 emissions.

At the same time, Parliament has approved stringent new measures to reduce carbon emissions by 2020, with the biggest CO2 cuts by far to come from an increase of more than 800 percent in offshore wind power over the next seven years. But offshore wind power is so expensive that it will receive at least three times the traded cost of regular electricity in subsidies—more than even solar power, which was never at an advantage in the U.K. For minimal CO2 reduction, the U.K. economy will pay dearly.

This is just one example of current climate policy's utter remove from reality—and not just in the U.K. We are focusing on insignificant—but very costly—green policies that make us feel good, while ignoring or actively discouraging policies that would dramatically reduce emissions and make economic sense.

Consider the three standard arguments for a green economy: climate change, energy security, and jobs. As it turns out, fracking does better on all three.

Assuming complete success for the U.K.'s scheme, offshore wind power could produce more than 10 percent of the country's electricity in 2020 and reduce its CO2 emissions by up to 5 percent per year. But the cost would also be phenomenal. The U.K. would pay at least $8 billion annually in subsidies to support this inherently inefficient technology.

Compare this to the opportunity of the Bowland Shale. If, by 2020, the UK could exploit its reserves there at just one-third the intensity of the exploitation of the Barnett and Marcellus Shales today, the outcome would be phenomenal.

Natural gas is much more environmentally friendly than coal, which continues to be the mainstay of electricity production around the world and in the U.K. Gas emits less than half the CO2 per kilowatt hour produced, and it emits much lower amounts of other pollutants like nitrous oxide, sulfur dioxide, black carbon, carbon monoxide, mercury, and particulates. If the U.K. sold its shale gas both domestically and abroad to replace coal, it could reduce local air pollution significantly and reduce global carbon emissions by 170 megatons. At the same time, instead of costing $8 billion per year, shale-gas production would add about $10 billion per year to the U.K. economy.

Likewise, it is often argued that the green economy will increase energy security, as green resources will leave countries less dependent on fossil-fuel imports. But even much higher supplies of wind power would improve security only marginally, because the U.K. would still have to import just as much oil (wind replaces mostly coal, rarely oil) and much of its gas, leaving it dependent on Russia. For countries closer to Russia's sphere of influence, like Poland and Ukraine, this dependence becomes palpable.

And yet the U.K. could improve its energy security dramatically, because it has enough gas reserves to cover roughly the entirety of its gas consumption for a half-century or more. Moreover, increased U.K. production would lower world prices, making countries with fewer or no shale-gas resources safer. And, of course, any country that is $10 billion richer, rather than $8 billion poorer, will have a better chance to handle future problems.

Finally, green-economy advocates promise a surfeit of green jobs. But economic research convincingly shows that while subsidies can buy extra jobs, they eventually have to be financed with increased taxes, costing an equal number of jobs elsewhere.

In comparison, shale gas in the U.S. has created an estimated 600,000 jobs that are generating about $100 billion in added GDP and almost $20 billion in public revenue.

Current global climate policy is unsustainable; the U.K.'s commitment to boosting offshore wind power is only the latest example. Distressed economies cannot afford to pay more than $350 to avoid each ton of CO2, which could be cut on the European market for about 50 times less. Shale gas could cut the cost of reducing CO2 seven times more while actually helping Europe's ailing economy.

Though it is not the ultimate solution, shale gas is greener. With good regulation, during the coming decade it can do the most good worldwide in terms of cutting CO2 emissions and improving living conditions. Mindless subsidies that we cannot afford will not create a green economy; what will is investment in research and development to bring down costs, so that green energy eventually can outcompete gas.
Title: Re: Britain hits the jackpot, finds largest shale gas deposit in the world
Post by: The Brain on July 15, 2013, 03:44:16 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 15, 2013, 03:36:18 AM
That's a hell of a lot of natural gas!

I blame Ed.
Title: Re: Britain hits the jackpot, finds largest shale gas deposit in the world
Post by: Josquius on July 15, 2013, 03:45:01 AM
The UK is a lot smaller than the US, the potential environmental impacts of fracking are much more of a factor there. Who knows whether it'll happen.
Title: Re: Britain hits the jackpot, finds largest shale gas deposit in the world
Post by: Viking on July 15, 2013, 04:17:04 AM
Quote from: Tyr on July 15, 2013, 03:45:01 AM
The UK is a lot smaller than the US, the potential environmental impacts of fracking are much more of a factor there. Who knows whether it'll happen.

It will happen. The "potential environmental impacts" of fracking vis a vis importing natural gas from norway are a red herring. '


Horizon did a good investigation into the environmental impacts, stoutly refusing to draw the conclusion that it is safe but presenting the information to the viewer and asking the viewer to decide if the scientists or random hilbillies have the right facts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjgzrmoLc7g
Title: Re: Britain hits the jackpot, finds largest shale gas deposit in the world
Post by: Richard Hakluyt on July 15, 2013, 04:37:28 AM
It will happen I think/hope, but it will be slower than necessary. It is one of those annoying things where one is stupefied by the antis; we can create jobs in areas short of them, reduce our carbon emissions, improve our balance of payments and lower energy costs thus reducing fuel poverty and business costs.
Title: Re: Britain hits the jackpot, finds largest shale gas deposit in the world
Post by: Josquius on July 15, 2013, 04:39:09 AM
The name doesn't help.
Title: Re: Britain hits the jackpot, finds largest shale gas deposit in the world
Post by: The Brain on July 15, 2013, 04:40:03 AM
Quote from: Viking on July 15, 2013, 04:17:04 AM

Horizon did a good investigation into the environmental impacts, stoutly refusing to draw the conclusion that it is safe but presenting the information to the viewer and asking the viewer to decide if the scientists or random hilbillies have the right facts.


Who had the right facts?
Title: Re: Britain hits the jackpot, finds largest shale gas deposit in the world
Post by: Viking on July 15, 2013, 04:43:01 AM
Quote from: The Brain on July 15, 2013, 04:40:03 AM
Quote from: Viking on July 15, 2013, 04:17:04 AM

Horizon did a good investigation into the environmental impacts, stoutly refusing to draw the conclusion that it is safe but presenting the information to the viewer and asking the viewer to decide if the scientists or random hilbillies have the right facts.


Who had the right facts?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vz0rGmc5u_c

Title: Re: Britain hits the jackpot, finds largest shale gas deposit in the world
Post by: Brazen on July 15, 2013, 04:57:58 AM
Scotland will break off and float into the North Sea, conveniently coinciding with the independence vote.
Title: Re: Britain hits the jackpot, finds largest shale gas deposit in the world
Post by: The Larch on July 15, 2013, 06:45:44 AM
So now Lomborg hacks in favour of fracking and big shale? Colour me not surprised at all!
Title: Re: Britain hits the jackpot, finds largest shale gas deposit in the world
Post by: Caliga on July 15, 2013, 06:59:27 AM
Slutpacks for everyone!
Title: Re: Britain hits the jackpot, finds largest shale gas deposit in the world
Post by: alfred russel on July 15, 2013, 08:48:37 AM
Tyr and the Labour Party must be estatic that the domestic fossil fuel industry has hope again. I'm sure somewhere the Iron Lady is weeping.
Title: Re: Britain hits the jackpot, finds largest shale gas deposit in the world
Post by: Valmy on July 15, 2013, 09:29:57 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on July 15, 2013, 08:48:37 AM
Tyr and the Labour Party must be estatic that the domestic fossil fuel industry has hope again. I'm sure somewhere the Iron Lady is weeping.

:lol:

:thumbsup:
Title: Re: Britain hits the jackpot, finds largest shale gas deposit in the world
Post by: Jacob on July 15, 2013, 09:38:34 AM
Lomborg?

I'll wait until someone less shifty weighs in on the matter.
Title: Re: Britain hits the jackpot, finds largest shale gas deposit in the world
Post by: The Larch on July 15, 2013, 09:48:48 AM
Quote from: Jacob on July 15, 2013, 09:38:34 AM
Lomborg?

I'll wait until someone less shifty weighs in on the matter.

Happy to see I'm not the only one taking aim at the messenger.  :lol:
Title: Re: Britain hits the jackpot, finds largest shale gas deposit in the world
Post by: Richard Hakluyt on July 15, 2013, 10:03:44 AM
There is also the link to the BGS site, you don't have to pay any attention to Lomborg at all.
Title: Re: Britain hits the jackpot, finds largest shale gas deposit in the world
Post by: KRonn on July 15, 2013, 10:29:11 AM
Definitely seems like a win all around for the UK to go with producing the natural gas, if the article can be taken at face value or close enough to such. Anyways aren't newer, cleaner techniques for fracking being developed? I read somewhere that the current chemicals used may be replaced by more organic materials.
Title: Re: Britain hits the jackpot, finds largest shale gas deposit in the world
Post by: Darth Wagtaros on July 15, 2013, 11:28:10 AM
Quote from: Jacob on July 15, 2013, 09:38:34 AM
Lomborg?

I'll wait until someone less shifty weighs in on the matter.
mmmmm yeah.... I'm going to also need you to come in on Sunday too.  MMMMhhh yeah....
Title: Re: Britain hits the jackpot, finds largest shale gas deposit in the world
Post by: Razgovory on July 15, 2013, 11:59:06 AM
Quote from: Brazen on July 15, 2013, 04:57:58 AM
Scotland will break off and float into the North Sea, conveniently coinciding with the independence vote.

And quickly find itself under water.  How apropos.
Title: Re: Britain hits the jackpot, finds largest shale gas deposit in the world
Post by: garbon on July 15, 2013, 01:01:31 PM
Quote from: The Larch on July 15, 2013, 09:48:48 AM
Quote from: Jacob on July 15, 2013, 09:38:34 AM
Lomborg?

I'll wait until someone less shifty weighs in on the matter.

Happy to see I'm not the only one taking aim at the messenger.  :lol:

Meh, slate article so again, no real reason to pay attention.
Title: Re: Britain hits the jackpot, finds largest shale gas deposit in the world
Post by: Viking on July 15, 2013, 02:57:51 PM
Quote from: KRonn on July 15, 2013, 10:29:11 AM
Definitely seems like a win all around for the UK to go with producing the natural gas, if the article can be taken at face value or close enough to such. Anyways aren't newer, cleaner techniques for fracking being developed? I read somewhere that the current chemicals used may be replaced by more organic materials.

For the most part those chemicals are organic chemicals of some sort. While they are really not the problem the opponents portray them as there will be clear benefits to the producers in getting regulatory approval in being able to demonstrate how the chemicals eventually become harmless.                           

Organic /= Good. Remember most poisons are organic in addition to oil and gas themselves.
Title: Re: Britain hits the jackpot, finds largest shale gas deposit in the world
Post by: Razgovory on July 15, 2013, 05:37:46 PM
Quote from: Viking on July 15, 2013, 02:57:51 PM
Quote from: KRonn on July 15, 2013, 10:29:11 AM
Definitely seems like a win all around for the UK to go with producing the natural gas, if the article can be taken at face value or close enough to such. Anyways aren't newer, cleaner techniques for fracking being developed? I read somewhere that the current chemicals used may be replaced by more organic materials.

For the most part those chemicals are organic chemicals of some sort. While they are really not the problem the opponents portray them as there will be clear benefits to the producers in getting regulatory approval in being able to demonstrate how the chemicals eventually become harmless.                           

Organic /= Good. Remember most poisons are organic in addition to oil and gas themselves.

You are thinking of "organic" in terms of organic chemistry.  When most people talk about something being "organic" it's some extremely vague buzzword meaning something like natural, safe and healthy.