http://gma.yahoo.com/pork-laced-ammo-designed-send-muslims-hell-194838485--abc-news-topstories.html
QuoteNew, pork-laced ammunition should serve as a warning shot to would-be Islamic terrorists with plans to attack Americans, the product's makers said today.
Jihawg Ammo, the company started by Brendon and Julie Hill of Coer D'Alene, Idaho, sells boxes of gun cartridges that are made with pork products and advertised as being a deterrent to potential terrorists who may not eat pork because of their religious beliefs.
"With Jihawg Ammo, you don't just kill an Islamist terrorist, you also send him to hell," the company said in a press release earlier this month. "That should give would-be martyrs something to think about before they launch an attack. If it ever becomes necessary to defend yourself and those around you our ammo works on two levels."
Brendon Hill, who developed the technology for the cartridges with his wife, said that the idea behind the ammunition was that if a devout Muslim were thinking of carrying out a terrorist attack, they might be deterred by knowing they could be shot with bullets covered in pork, a religiously forbidden food.
He is not promoting violence toward Muslims, he insisted. In fact, the company also makes apparel promoting "Peace Through Pork."
Brendon said that he and his wife started the company as a tongue-in-cheek way to stand up to radical Islamic terrorists.
"We're having some fun with it," Hill said. "There's something to be said about using sarcasm to reveal truth about something that is false ora[l] lie, and we're focusing on the absolute lie they tell that murdering people is good."
"We realize we've hit an emotional thread, and I'd loosely define this as a red-state/blue-state issue," Hill added. "That's where our customers are coming from and in that demographic, our product is a way to push back against political correctness. It's the proverbial middle finger back to political correctness."
Ibrahim Hooper, spokesman for the Council on American-Islamic Relations, said the Hills were trying to exploit Muslims for their own profit.
"This is just one of many individuals and companies who seek to make a quick buck exploiting the growing Islamaphobia in our society," Hooper said. "We're not motivated by giving them free publicity they so desperately seek. That's their intention -- to get people upset so that they talk about it and they make money.
"If somebody did actually use one of these bullets to target a Muslim," he added, "I am sure that a hate crime enhancement would fit."
The Hills came up with the idea while camping with friends and talking about the "Ground Zero Mosque," the name given by opponents to an Islamic cultural center in New York City that was going to open near the World Trade Center site.
They were angry over the center and what Hill called "a wave of radical Islam perpetuating from the Middle East to Europe to here."
Brendon Hill said his wife, stay-at-home mom Julie, came up with the idea and the name.
Brendon, who used to work for the NRA as a fundraiser, said he drew on his undergraduate science degree and tinkered with the formula for making the ammunition, figuring out how to add pork products to the paint on gun cartridges while ensuring that the paint still works.
They started selling their product earlier this spring.
"What we do is take industry base paint, a type of ballistic paint, and it took us a year to formulate how pork product that goes into it is still viable," Hill said. "The paint still has to function and stick to metal, but also be haraam or unclean."
He said that since they launched their website quietly two or three months ago, the Hills have been inundated with orders for their custom cartridges, which retail for about $20 for a box of cartridges. The reaction to their product has been almost universally positive.
"We've only got one voicemail that was negative and that was from somewhere overseas," he said. "We are getting steamrolled by orders."
However, Hooper, speaking from CAIR's headquarters in Washington, D.C., did not react positively.
"They're taking their own stereotypes and making it into their own idiocy, and unfortunately there are a lot of idiots to buy into this stuff," he said.
I wish I could find a way to turn bigotry into profit. :(
Quote from: Malthus on June 25, 2013, 08:51:23 AM
I wish I could find a way to turn bigotry into profit. :(
Sell large wooden crosses presoaked with some sort of accelerant, like those matchless charcoal briquettes.
QuoteCoer D'Alene, Idaho
Go fig.
Seems like Islamic Jihad or whatnot could use these against the Israelis.
The rumours of the 19th century=the products of today. :bowler:
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on June 25, 2013, 08:58:32 AM
Seems like Islamic Jihad or whatnot could use these against the Israelis.
The Israelis would love it. Islamic Jihad pays $20 a pop for ammo that Jews could not care less about. :lol:
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on June 25, 2013, 08:58:32 AM
Seems like Islamic Jihad or whatnot could use these against the Israelis.
They wouldn't be able to fill their own magazines. :contract:
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 25, 2013, 09:04:29 AM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on June 25, 2013, 08:58:32 AM
Seems like Islamic Jihad or whatnot could use these against the Israelis.
They wouldn't be able to fill their own magazines. :contract:
Outsourcing is the paradigm of the 21st Century.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 25, 2013, 09:04:29 AM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on June 25, 2013, 08:58:32 AM
Seems like Islamic Jihad or whatnot could use these against the Israelis.
They wouldn't be able to fill their own magazines. :contract:
What they cannot even touch pork? I just thought they couldn't eat it.
Quote from: Valmy on June 25, 2013, 09:17:02 AM
What they cannot even touch pork? I just thought they couldn't eat it.
You may be right.
We need to consult the Languish Islamic law expert.
I was thinking of the Indian Mutiny. But part of the problem there was that you have to bite a muzzle-loader cartridge.
Quote from: Valmy on June 25, 2013, 09:20:34 AM
We need to consult the Languish Islamic law expert.
DSB?
I think there's some weird belief that pigs are to Muslims in the same way that garlic is to vampires.
Quote from: Razgovory on June 25, 2013, 09:25:37 AM
I think there's some weird belief that pigs are to Muslims in the same way that garlic is to vampires.
There have been cases, at least in Italy and Catalonia, of populist local politicians that, upon knowing of a project to raise a mosque in their cities, called for pigs to be taken to the site so it wouldn't be able to be built there. Ignorance or real religious edict, I don't know, but my money would be on rabid bigotry.
Quote from: The Larch on June 25, 2013, 09:30:10 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on June 25, 2013, 09:25:37 AM
I think there's some weird belief that pigs are to Muslims in the same way that garlic is to vampires.
There have been cases, at least in Italy and Catalonia, of populist local politicians that, upon knowing of a project to raise a mosque in their cities, called for pigs to be taken to the site so it wouldn't be able to be built there. Ignorance or real religious edict, I don't know, but my money would be on rabid bigotry.
We had a similar case here when some hayseeds had pig races around a mosque being built. Mostly this confused the Muslims involved.
BMolsen might now.
sigh.. if only I thought this had any more effect that merely reducing the ballistic properties of the munition....
This pork thing is non-sense.
Touching pork, as in dead pig, not alive pig, creates inpurity of the soul, but I have never heard that it affects a muslim "martyr" entrance into their paradise, since the act of "martyrdom" cleanses all his sins, including touching pork.
I smell oxymoron.
Quote from: Siege on June 25, 2013, 12:00:42 PM
Touching pork, as in dead pig, not alive pig, creates inpurity of the soul
Dang really? I cannot even ask a Muslim to pass the bacon? Huh, go figure.
Quote from: Siege on June 25, 2013, 12:00:42 PM
I smell oxymoron.
That word doesn't mean what you think it means. :nerd:
I smell oxycontin.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 25, 2013, 12:02:35 PM
Quote from: Siege on June 25, 2013, 12:00:42 PM
I smell oxymoron.
That word doesn't mean what you think it means. :nerd:
What? You mean John Travolta was wrong in that movie "Oscar".
Quote from: Valmy on June 25, 2013, 12:02:00 PM
Quote from: Siege on June 25, 2013, 12:00:42 PM
Touching pork, as in dead pig, not alive pig, creates inpurity of the soul
Dang really? I cannot even ask a Muslim to pass the bacon? Huh, go figure.
The pig is an unclean animal. This is the living pig. There isn't merely a dietary restriction on eating pork. Apparently God created an animal that was unclean and immoral.
BTW, siegy, how could Noah remain ritually pure while tending pigs on the ark?
Corrolary: If there were no pigs on the ark how did they survive?
Quote from: Viking on June 25, 2013, 12:14:31 PM
Quote from: Valmy on June 25, 2013, 12:02:00 PM
Quote from: Siege on June 25, 2013, 12:00:42 PM
Touching pork, as in dead pig, not alive pig, creates inpurity of the soul
Dang really? I cannot even ask a Muslim to pass the bacon? Huh, go figure.
The pig is an unclean animal. This is the living pig. There isn't merely a dietary restriction on eating pork. Apparently God created an animal that was unclean and immoral.
BTW, siegy, how could Noah remain ritually pure while tending pigs on the ark?
Corrolary: If there were no pigs on the ark how did they survive?
As I say, you can touch living pig all you want. The inpurity comes from touching the dead animal.
Noah ate fish? :P
Quote from: Siege on June 25, 2013, 12:17:20 PM
Quote from: Viking on June 25, 2013, 12:14:31 PM
Quote from: Valmy on June 25, 2013, 12:02:00 PM
Quote from: Siege on June 25, 2013, 12:00:42 PM
Touching pork, as in dead pig, not alive pig, creates inpurity of the soul
Dang really? I cannot even ask a Muslim to pass the bacon? Huh, go figure.
The pig is an unclean animal. This is the living pig. There isn't merely a dietary restriction on eating pork. Apparently God created an animal that was unclean and immoral.
BTW, siegy, how could Noah remain ritually pure while tending pigs on the ark?
Corrolary: If there were no pigs on the ark how did they survive?
As I say, you can touch living pig all you want. The inpurity comes from touching the dead animal.
After rechecking my sources, you are right. In Judaism only the dead animal is unpure/unclean. In islam the living animal is unpure/unclean. Though in islam only dogs and pigs are in this category.
But, were there pigs on the ark?
Quote from: Viking on June 25, 2013, 12:22:13 PM
But, were there pigs on the ark?
Only ones I'm sure about are alligators, geese, camels, chimpanzees, cats, rats, and elephants. Those are documented.
No unicorns though. Sure as he was born, Noah forgot the unicorn.
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on June 25, 2013, 12:25:55 PM
No unicorns though. Sure as he was born, Noah forgot the unicorn.
You can't pin that on Noah.
I was getting a little bored with the Zombie ammo. This might fill the void. Then I guess I could do my own whenever I start reloading.
Quote from: Viking on June 25, 2013, 12:22:13 PM
After rechecking my sources, you are right. In Judaism only the dead animal is unpure/unclean. In islam the living animal is unpure/unclean. Though in islam only dogs and pigs are in this category.
But, were there pigs on the ark?
Islam hates cute animals. :weep:
So, injecting a bullet laced with pork-infested paint into the body of a dude would in fact be halal/unclean. But if he died from it, martyrdom would cleanse his soul anyway. If a dude got shot but did not die, however, he would go to hell once he later dies unless he later finds another way to martyr himself.
So....pork bullets can potentially create more suicide bombers.
Pass. I don't think paper targets that I shoot at have a soul.
Had to save the rats to spread plague in later years.
Ya min later-days.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on June 25, 2013, 12:28:34 PM
So, injecting a bullet laced with pork-infested paint into the body of a dude would in fact be halal/unclean. But if he died from it, martyrdom would cleanse his soul anyway. If a dude got shot but did not die, however, he would go to hell once he later dies unless he later finds another way to martyr himself.
So....pork bullets can potentially create more suicide bombers.
Seems to me that getting shot with a pork bullet wouldn't be an issue.
QuoteHe has only forbidden you what dies of itself, and blood, and flesh of swine, and that over which any other (name) than (that of) Allah has been invoked; but whoever is driven to necessity, not desiring, nor exceeding the limit, no sin shall be upon him; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
Generally I don't think people desire to get shot with (pork) bullets.