Quote from: Josquius on Today at 02:55:25 AMLooking at the map I'm most curious on what the deal is in Scotland.
Quote from: Barrister on May 17, 2024, 12:36:29 PMQuote from: Tamas on May 17, 2024, 12:32:03 PMI guess if we say Israel isn't a "proper" country and thus open to debate whether it should exist at all, then the same is true for places like Kosovo, or Slovakia.
I bristle because of course that's the exact argument Putin uses about Ukraine - that it's not a proper or real country...
QuoteThe basis of the Jewish population was regular immigration, the foundation of the State is not dissimilar from how many States have been founded--by its leaders proclaiming it as such. I happen to live in such a state, I assure you it is a valid form of establishing one.It clearly wasn't.
QuoteAgain--they would have had to go home to places that did not want them.Yes. Exactly as I said, it'd be wrong to say it'd be a completely clean operation where the Jews could neatly move back to normal lives in the countries they came from.
QuoteThe Jews were a well established minority under the Ottoman Empire, they largely purchased land in Ottoman Palestine entirely legally. Their claim to want a state carved out of Ottoman lands--when a half dozen Arab states were in the process of being carved out is intrinsically legitimate. Yes, they were spread out, and got concentrated into a single area--that does not in any way "invalidate them", or legitimize the "go home" idea. Where the fuck were the ones fleeing pogroms supposed to go home to?Interesting, I've never heard this Wilsonian self-determination argument from the modern day looking back.
Also, it should be noted, in the first half of the 20th century several European empires fell apart to varying degrees, the community of nations oversaw a number of population transfers where diffused minorities would be moved about to create successor states which would be less prone to endless nationalist conflict. Whilst there was great tragedy in some of that, in many cases it can only rationally be seen as having served as an important foundation for later and longer lasting peace.
QuoteFor some reason we are to believe only in the question of Jews in the first half of the 20th century is such a thing "beyond the pale", only in the case of Jews are we supposed to believe some of the other groups that were "shuffled elsewhere" should get to have UN backed permanent refugee status and international funds to educate those refugees in generational antisemitism.
Quote from: Valmy on Today at 01:15:11 AMQuote from: Richard Hakluyt on Today at 12:37:58 AMThe Act of Union between England and Wales was passed in 1536 https://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/history/sites/themes/periods/tudors_04.shtml
Which, in paradox terms, makes it a vassal of England in the 14th century.
England was a highly centralised state by 14th century standards. It had one system of weights and measures for the whole country, law was enforced and courts held by the justices of the peace and was the King's law, when parliament imposed taxes they were for the entire country. This is an important reason why the 4m English of the time were able to war succesfully with the 20m French.
Was there a separate system of law and a parliament for Wales prior to that point?
Quote from: Valmy on Today at 01:15:11 AMWas there a separate system of law and a parliament for Wales prior to that point?
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