Israel-Hamas War 2023

[Admiral Yi]

I've seen tunnels you can drive through.  Been in them.  I was talking about the tunnels underneath Shifra.

[crazy canuck]

Yeah, but the anti-semites will paint that as either false confession or a reasonable act due to Jewish perfidy.

We know the Gazans are scum breaking every rule in the book, more evidence is not going to make their supporters stop supporting them. 

Gazans?

Yeah, the state entity at war with Israel since their Oct 7th attack.

Gaza is now a state? Wow, that's great news.  The two state solution dreamed of for a long time has now come to fruition.

Once again, languish comes through, and informs in a way that no other news source could.

But perhaps you could provide a link just in case there are some here who don't believe your assertion that Gaza is in fact a state.

[Grey Fox]

Wait, if it's not a state what was it before Oct 7th?

[Sheilbh]

Yeah I think it's definitely a de facto/quasi state in some way.

There was a defined territory with a single central political body that maintained a monopoly on the legitimate use of violence.

It may not have been a declared or internationally recognised state.

[PJL]

Yeah, I'd consider Gaza a de facto if not de jure state, even if it's more like Somaliland than Taiwan.

[Admiral Yi]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/4G6zx8vsEyQ

I've been getting tons of these IDF hottie videos.

[Razgovory]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/4G6zx8vsEyQ

I've been getting tons of these IDF hottie videos.

See, if the Palestinians would put stuff like that out I might support them.

[crazy canuck]

Wait, if it's not a state what was it before Oct 7th?

Its a good question. 

Yeah, I'd consider Gaza a de facto if not de jure state, even if it's more like Somaliland than Taiwan.

how would it be a de jure state?

[Sheilbh]

how would it be a de jure state?

Declaration of independence and international recognition.

[crazy canuck]

how would it be a de jure state?

Declaration of independence and international recognition.

That sounds more like a de facto existence.  For it to be de jure at a minimum the state of Israel would have to agree that it is a legitimate state.  And there is no way that is happening any time soon.

[Sheilbh]

Yeah. Practically if the US doesn't recognise you (and tough to see Israel dissenting) then you're not going to be a state operating with legal rights (and the first part of that probably gestures at the contingency of it).

[The Brain]

Has any country recognized Gaza?

[Barrister]

Has any country recognized Gaza?

Hamas / Gaza doesn't want recognition as Gaza - they want recognition as Palestine.

I don't think even Iran has recognized Hamas as the rightful leaders of "Palestine".

[Sheilbh]

Yeah they've not declared independence or, as you say, have any ambition to do so.

Many countries officially recognise Palestine but that's the PA.

[Threviel]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_(polity)

It's quite clear that Gaza, with Hamas as leaders, can be defined as a state.

It may not be a sovereign state or a nation state or a welfare state or an internationally recognised state, but it is quite clearly some kind of state.