Case CoolerMaster HAF 932 Full Tower Gaming Case-Black
Processor Intel® Core™ i7 960 Processor (4x 3.20GHz/8MB L3 Cache)
Motherboard [SLI] ASUS P6X58D Premium w/ 2x Gb LAN
Memory 12 GB [2 GB X6] DDR3-1800 Triple Memory Module-Corsair or Major Brand
Video Card NVIDIA GeForce GTX 480 - 1.5GB-Single Card
Power Supply 1200 Watt -- Thermaltake TR2 TRX-1200M Power Supply-Quad SLI Ready
Processor Cooling Asetek Liquid CPU Cooling System w/ 240mm Radiator [SOCKET-1366]
Primary Hard Drive 80 GB Intel X25-M MLC SSD-Single Drive
Data Hard Drive 1 TB HARD DRIVE -- 16M Cache, 7200 RPM, 3.0Gb/s-Single Drive
Optical Drive 24X Dual Format/Double Layer DVD±R/±RW + CD-R/RW Drive-Black
Sound Card 3D Premium Surround Sound Onboard
Network Card Onboard LAN Network (Gb or 10/100)
Operating System Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate -64-Bit
Warranty Standard Warranty Service-Standard 3-Year Limited Warranty + Lifetime Technical Support
Advanced Build Options Tuniq TX-2 High Performance Thermal Compound-The best interface between your CPU and the heatsinks
iBUYPOWER Labs - Internal Expansion [6-Port] NZXT Internal USB Expansion System
iBUYPOWER PowerDrive PowerDrive Level 3 - Up to 30% Overclocking
Subtotal $3,186.00
I tried putting it together on Newegg and it comes out to $2,970. $100 of the dollars is for 'overclocking' on the desktop, so basically its only a hundred dollar difference for them to ship it to me and give me a 3 year warranty.
Basically, critique this please? The price isn't *too* much of an issue for me. And is Windows 7 ultimate really worth it? I've heard its the best version for gaming and I'm not sure other versions will recognize all that ram? And actually how easy would it be to over-clock it myself? Though it may void the warranty..
Thanks
The price is insane :o
That being said though I never knew you could have up to 12gb ram
Quote from: Tyr on April 04, 2010, 04:06:47 PM
The price is insane :o
That being said though I never knew you could have up to 12gb ram
Max is 24gb now from what I've seen.
1. Why do you need Windows 7 Ultimate, as opposed to Home Premium? Also, why do you need all those gay warranties/tech support things? You have us for tech support. Windows 7 Home Premium OEM for System Builders is like $100.
2. Why do you need a 1200 watt power supply? :huh:
Sounds about as awesome as they get. The SSD setup is probably the fastest you can go. The memory is a nice touch. Neither 5 1/4" or 3,5" floppy drives? Sounds risky!
Quote from: Lucidor on April 04, 2010, 04:50:13 PM
Sounds about as awesome as they get. The SSD setup is probably the fastest you can go. The memory is a nice touch. Neither 5 1/4" or 3,5" floppy drives? Sounds risky!
I have a portable USB one. :thumbsup:
There's some amazing overkill there.
Quote from: Barrister on April 04, 2010, 06:05:52 PM
There's some amazing overkill there.
Well it's no mac....but I try. :P
Want something to woo me for the next few years. :bowler:
Quote from: Caliga on April 04, 2010, 04:38:03 PM
1. Why do you need Windows 7 Ultimate, as opposed to Home Premium? Also, why do you need all those gay warranties/tech support things? You have us for tech support. Windows 7 Home Premium OEM for System Builders is like $100.
2. Why do you need a 1200 watt power supply? :huh:
1. I've heard you need Windows ultimate(64-bit) to read more than a certain amount of ram, not sure if that is true?
2. The video card alone recommends 300 watts, and if I am to upgrade to SLI when this system starts to be slow, I think 1200 watts is a good idea. A power supply scales down to what you need, but wont go above. :)
Edit: Under SLI, the 480 for instance consumes 851 watts of power at full load by themselves. :o
Quote from: Alcibiades on April 04, 2010, 06:23:57 PM
2. The video card alone recommends 300 watts, and if I am to upgrade to SLI when this system starts to be slow, I think 1200 watts is a good idea. A power supply scales down to what you need, but wont go above. :)
Double-check and I think you will find that your CP case can hold two power supplies. No need to pay the premium for 1200 watts just yet.
It's realistically only 100$ more than an 800 watt power supply, and thermaltake is a really good brand.
Also considering going for the ATI 5870, 120$ cheaper than the Nvidia equivalent, and Nvidia is likely to come out with something much better by the end of the year since the 480 sounds to be a bit of a flop from what expectations were.
Quote from: Lucidor on April 04, 2010, 04:50:13 PM
Neither 5 1/4" or 3,5" floppy drives? Sounds risky!
:blink:
Hard to disagree with any of those choices if price isn't an issue.
I'm jealous.
I was playing COD4 on my GF's father computer (i5 + Nvidia 260) & gawd do I need to upgrade.
Yeah, Alci... if you truly don't care about cost then you can disregard my posts. I just have a pathological (pathological because I don't truly need to) need to try to get everything as cheaply as possible.
Well I mean, If I am over paying substantially, or a couple months away from saving a few hundred dollars then by all means. But I think it seems to be a very good deal all considered.
And does anybody know about windows 7 ultimate?
Features you'll never use. Some say Ultimate is faster then Home Premium. I'd get Home Premium.
Does it come with a stain cleaner? I'd need one with this computer, or even when reading about this computer.
I have Win7 Ultimate & am pretty sure I don't use anything that I wouldn't get with Win7 Home Premium. You can install x64 and use all that ridiculous RAM with Win7 Home Premium all the same. The supported limit for Home Premium is 16GB, and for Ultimate it is 192GB (!)
Oh, right, I forgot that Win 7 Home Premium puts a (ridiculous) upper limit cap in RAM. <_<
Still, Alci, you don't even want more than 16 Gb to start, so it won't matter to you. If you decide to go beyond that later it's very easy to upgrade Win 7 when needed.
Quote from: Alcibiades on April 05, 2010, 08:35:23 AM
And does anybody know about windows 7 ultimate?
Ultimate doesn't give you anything you really need that pro doesn't give you, but costs about the same, so I'd go for it over Premium.
The advantage over Home is XP compatibility mode and the greater memory access, plus a bunch of domain things you won't use.
I'd say that you could probably save a few bucks by not buying the Ultimate upgrade before you need to, but you are saving a buttload of upgrade hassle as well, so why not?
So grumbler says get it. :thumbsup:
Will it play Tetris?
Quote from: Alcibiades on April 05, 2010, 01:42:37 PM
So grumbler says get it. :thumbsup:
There's nothing wrong with grumbler's reasoning on this. I still don't think it's what I personally would do: I tend to develop a fixed budget for my PC builds/upgrades and try to meet it right on the nose, which means that if I got 7 Home Premium instead of 7 Ultimate, I'd put the savings into getting a slightly higher quality component of another type.
Also, I was thinking that Ultimate is $100 more than Home Premium, but his post suggests that isn't the case. :huh:
From what I've read I would be good with just professional, and since I don't have any of the networking needs and stuff I won't really need ultimate.
So windows 7 pro and the ATI 5870 to be upgraded when ever it needs to be next year or something.
Guys approve of the changes? Price at $2992 after the changes, this is with free shipping, although tax will still suck.
With the 75$ I'm saving should I get a dedicated network card? 34$ or an 80$ model.
Your board appears to have onboard LAN (which is near-universal with quality boards these days I believe), so no I don't think I'd do that. Maybe just set the $75 aside to buy some games for your kickass new PC? :cool:
Quote from: Alcibiades on April 05, 2010, 02:59:01 PM
From what I've read I would be good with just professional, and since I don't have any of the networking needs and stuff I won't really need ultimate.
So windows 7 pro and the ATI 5870 to be upgraded when ever it needs to be next year or something.
Guys approve of the changes? Price at $2992 after the changes, this is with free shipping, although tax will still suck.
With the 75$ I'm saving should I get a dedicated network card? 34$ or an 80$ model.
Almost everything nowadays has Gigabit Ethernet with at least decent functionality. Peripheral network cards, you'll only need if you're 1) doing something funky with a boot ROM or some other kind of extreme fringe functionality, or 2) the onboard NIC breaks.
Short: Right now, an extra network card would be a total waste of money that you won't use.
Windows 7: depends how much fixing you do of your own systems... the biggest drawback I've found to Home Premium is that MSC and secpol (system configuration and security policy editors, respectively) are totally and completely gimped; nearly everything in those applications requires Professional or Ultimate. However, I only use those for the direst cases where I absolutely refuse to plop down a chunk of change on the geek squad (like having to unlock both regedit and task manager). The average user isn't even that likely to know of their existence, let alone use it.
Short: If you wanna go hardcore nerd and have total control over your system, you need Pro or Ultimate. Otherwise, Home Premium's got you covered. Oh, and if you feel a need to use XP Mode (you probably won't), Home Premium won't take it.
Quote from: grumbler on April 05, 2010, 01:09:39 PM
Ultimate doesn't give you anything you really need that pro doesn't give you, but costs about the same, so I'd go for it over Premium.
Where do you see Ultimate for about the same price? I usually see it about $80 or so above Home Premium, at least for the OEM version.
Quote from: derspiess on April 06, 2010, 10:57:08 AM
Where do you see Ultimate for about the same price? I usually see it about $80 or so above Home Premium, at least for the OEM version.
Newegg has pro full at $268 and ultimate full at $284. That's "about the same price" as far as I am concerned.
Quote from: grumbler on April 06, 2010, 11:41:15 AM
Newegg has pro full at $268 and ultimate full at $284. That's "about the same price" as far as I am concerned.
Were we comparing Home or Pro against Ultimate? Home is $179 retail. Now if you're going the OEM route (which I tend to do), Ultimate is $184. But then Home is $99 OEM.
With that price difference, unless I was certain I'd need any Ultimate features soon, I would go with Home OEM for $99.
I note you're going for all out crazyness here...Why DVD instead of blu-ray?
Quote from: derspiess on April 06, 2010, 12:21:56 PM
Were we comparing Home or Pro against Ultimate? Home is $179 retail. Now if you're going the OEM route (which I tend to do), Ultimate is $184. But then Home is $99 OEM.
Home versus premium is a matter of paying $100 extra now and never having to upgrade, or paying $100 sometime in the future and going through the hassle of upgrading to get beyond 12 gigs of memory (if that date will even come within the lifetime of the machine).
Not a contest, in my mind. Ultimate all the way.
Pro versus Premium is a matter of paying $15-$20 extra to avoid a possible situation where one might need the ultimate version (can't imagine why that would be, but who knows?). This would be future-proofing at less than 1% of the price of the machine.
Narrow lead for Ultimate here.
QuoteWith that price difference, unless I was certain I'd need any Ultimate features soon, I would go with Home OEM for $99.
That's a legitimate position. I just don't share it. It is better than getting pro, though, IMO.
If he's spending that kind of money I don't think he's pinching pennies. Go Ultimate.
Good to know about the memory limit on Home though. I'm still dragging my heels on upgrading my Bootcamp partition to 7, but since I already have my 10GBs and two extra slots it is conceivable I could go above 12 (although unlikely as I am far from RAM constrained right now).
Went with Pro, couldn't see the reason for ultimate....ultimately. :p
And chose dvd over blue-ray because I have absolutely no need ever for a blue-ray player.... I have a ps3 5 feet away from my comp connected to my big screen.... don't need it on my computer unless they start putting games in blue-ray....which I don't see it being exclusive for the next 5 years at least were they to.
Paladin XLC V2 $2,992.00 1 $2,992.00
Case CoolerMaster HAF 932 Full Tower Gaming Case - Black
Processor Intel® Core™ i7 960 Processor (4x 3.20GHz/8MB L3 Cache)
iBUYPOWER PowerDrive PowerDrive Level 3 - Up to 30% Overclocking
Processor Cooling Asetek Liquid CPU Cooling System w/ 240mm Radiator [SOCKET-1366]
Memory 12 GB [2 GB X6] DDR3-1800 Triple Memory Module - Corsair or Major Brand
Video Card ATI Radeon HD 5870 - 1GB - Single Card
Free Stuff [Free T-shirt] iBUYPOWER / ARCHLORD - Black
Free Stuff [Free Game] - DiRT 2 - Free with Purchase of ATI Radeon HD 5800 Series Video Card
Motherboard [SLI] ASUS P6X58D Premium w/ 2x Gb LAN
Power Supply 1200 Watt -- Thermaltake TR2 TRX-1200M Power Supply - Quad SLI Ready
Primary Hard Drive 80 GB Intel X25-M MLC SSD - Single Drive
Data Hard Drive 1 TB HARD DRIVE -- 16M Cache, 7200 RPM, 3.0Gb/s - Single Drive
Optical Drive 24X Dual Format/Double Layer DVD±R/±RW + CD-R/RW Drive - Black
Sound Card 3D Premium Surround Sound Onboard
Network Card Onboard LAN Network (Gb or 10/100)
Operating System Microsoft Windows 7 Professional - 64-Bit
Advanced Build Options Tuniq TX-2 High Performance Thermal Compound - The best interface between your CPU and the heatsinks
Advanced Build Options iBUYPOWER Specialized Advanced Packaging System - Protect your investment during transportation!
Warranty Standard Warranty Service - Standard 3-Year Limited Warranty + Lifetime Technical Support
Rush Service Rush Service Fee (not shipping fee) - No Rush Service, Estimate Ship Out in 5~10 Business Days
That's what I ordered today.....What do you guys think? Any objections or misgivings?
PC games will be on Flash drives before they are on Blu-Rays.
Who's building it? Can I do it?
Only thoughts are that I'm leery of liquid cooling.
I love the SSD, the 5870 gets good reviews, and I think you went overboard on the PS (a PS is less efficient if it is operating significantly below its capacity).
Quote from: Barrister on April 06, 2010, 01:38:36 PM
I think you went overboard on the PS (a PS is less efficient if it is operating significantly below its capacity).
I tried to tell him that too. :hug:
Someone said, I think grumbler, that the HAF 932 supports 2 PSU. While true that's not possible if, like alci, you are using liquid cooling.
In regards to the PS, I plan on upgrading the graphics cards eventually. A single 480 gtx for example runs at 300watts under full load and dual is like 615 watts or something completely ridiculous like that. So yeah, probably a little overkill for now.....But I wasn't aware that it runs so much more inefficiently if its not used to its full potential. How bad are we talking? I was under the impression that they scale down to what's required, and the less strain the better.
Quote from: Alcibiades on April 06, 2010, 03:07:46 PM
In regards to the PS, I plan on upgrading the graphics cards eventually. A single 480 gtx for example runs at 300watts under full load and dual is like 615 watts or something completely ridiculous like that. So yeah, probably a little overkill for now.....But I wasn't aware that it runs so much more inefficiently if its not used to its full potential. How bad are we talking? I was under the impression that they scale down to what's required, and the less strain the better.
It's not the end of the world or anything - it just isn't as efficient. It'll draw more power, run hotter, then it would otherwise need to.
I don't know to what extent that "less efficient" part is - I tried to google some numbers, but no luck.
And running at your designed capacity isn't 'strain'. It is straining to run above it.
It's the equivalent to using a ferrari to drive to the corner store for milk. It'll do it, sure, but you'll get much worse gas mileage than something with a smaller engine.
Quote from: grumbler on April 06, 2010, 01:00:35 PM
Quote from: derspiess on April 06, 2010, 12:21:56 PM
Were we comparing Home or Pro against Ultimate? Home is $179 retail. Now if you're going the OEM route (which I tend to do), Ultimate is $184. But then Home is $99 OEM.
Home versus premium is a matter of paying $100 extra now and never having to upgrade, or paying $100 sometime in the future and going through the hassle of upgrading to get beyond 12 gigs of memory (if that date will even come within the lifetime of the machine).
Not a contest, in my mind. Ultimate all the way.
Pro versus Premium is a matter of paying $15-$20 extra to avoid a possible situation where one might need the ultimate version (can't imagine why that would be, but who knows?). This would be future-proofing at less than 1% of the price of the machine.
Narrow lead for Ultimate here.
QuoteWith that price difference, unless I was certain I'd need any Ultimate features soon, I would go with Home OEM for $99.
That's a legitimate position. I just don't share it. It is better than getting pro, though, IMO.
Congrats, you managed to confuse me into submission :D
FWIW though, if he wants to do an "anytime upgrade", it would cost less than buying another full copy of the OS outright, and he won't have to do a full OS install. So in that sense there's very little hassle.
Quote from: derspiess on April 06, 2010, 04:08:10 PM
FWIW though, if he wants to do an "anytime upgrade", it would cost less than buying another full copy of the OS outright, and he won't have to do a full OS install. So in that sense there's very little hassle.
Understand that the cost is about equivalent, but I have seen few upgrades go as smoothly as just installing the end system from the start. If he was looking to defer some costs at this point, I would agree with you.
Quote from: Grey Fox on April 06, 2010, 01:37:40 PM
PC games will be on Flash drives before they are on Blu-Rays.
Who's building it? Can I do it?
You think so? I've not heard that.
That would be odd...but cool. Cartidges were awesome.
Would be amusing if it happened though, it used to be PCs were discs and consoles were carts, it would mark a complete turn-around.
Quote from: Grey Fox on April 06, 2010, 01:37:40 PM
PC games will be on Flash drives before they are on Blu-Rays.
Who's building it? Can I do it?
Buying from ibuypower.com. Ideally I wanted to build it myself, but I lack a nerd circle now that can help me build it. :(
Quote from: Alcibiades on April 06, 2010, 06:20:32 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on April 06, 2010, 01:37:40 PM
PC games will be on Flash drives before they are on Blu-Rays.
Who's building it? Can I do it?
Buying from ibuypower.com. Ideally I wanted to build it myself, but I lack a nerd circle now that can help me build it. :(
We can guide you through. Languish did it for me, and the whole process led to a semi-amusing, expletive-laden thread around here somewhere.
I've built my own a couple times before....just been years. Would rather just have someone do it and take care of shit when it goes wrong for a couple of hundred dollars this time considering the price tag. :)
Quote from: Tyr on April 06, 2010, 05:12:39 PM
You think so? I've not heard that.
That would be odd...but cool. Cartidges were awesome.
Would be amusing if it happened though, it used to be PCs were discs and consoles were carts, it would mark a complete turn-around.
Why not? DS games run on 512MB flash cards...
Quote from: Tyr on April 06, 2010, 05:12:39 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on April 06, 2010, 01:37:40 PM
PC games will be on Flash drives before they are on Blu-Rays.
Who's building it? Can I do it?
You think so? I've not heard that.
That would be odd...but cool. Cartidges were awesome.
Would be amusing if it happened though, it used to be PCs were discs and consoles were carts, it would mark a complete turn-around.
I do. More & more laptops are not going to feature dvd/cd/bluray in the future.
I agree that the new floppy is the flash drive, not some version of CD. However, wouldn't putting games on flash drive be pointlessly expensive? CDs/DVDs/etc. seem like perfect media for installation disks.
Maybe but then again software companies are giving flash drives away like candies at conventions & other meetings.
Quote from: Grey Fox on April 07, 2010, 04:32:15 PM
Maybe but then again software companies are giving flash drives away like candies at conventions & other meetings.
Yeah, but still, gift bags are one thing, millions of copies is another. The cost per GB is not even close.
Quote from: DontSayBanana on April 07, 2010, 03:40:37 PM
Quote from: Tyr on April 06, 2010, 05:12:39 PM
You think so? I've not heard that.
That would be odd...but cool. Cartidges were awesome.
Would be amusing if it happened though, it used to be PCs were discs and consoles were carts, it would mark a complete turn-around.
Why not? DS games run on 512MB flash cards...
Early computers did include cartridge readers. I miss my Atari.
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on April 07, 2010, 06:42:48 PM
Early computers did include cartridge readers. I miss my Atari.
:punk:
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I wish I had space to set mine up. And a working disk drive.
Quote from: DGuller on April 07, 2010, 06:39:31 PM
Yeah, but still, gift bags are one thing, millions of copies is another. The cost per GB is not even close.
The idea is that solid-state media can run fast enough in large enough capacities that you'd no longer need to install; you could just install the game engine onto the media and let autoplay do all the work.
Quote from: DGuller on April 07, 2010, 06:39:31 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on April 07, 2010, 04:32:15 PM
Maybe but then again software companies are giving flash drives away like candies at conventions & other meetings.
Yeah, but still, gift bags are one thing, millions of copies is another. The cost per GB is not even close.
Agreed, and what is being given away is flash drives too small to be salable any more. Production cost per unit for a 2GB game is going to be much higher with flash drives, I should think; both the medium and the process are more expensive.
They were quality machines. In my experience at least far more reliable as far as hardware goes than many mass market commercial PCs of today are.
Quote from: derspiess on April 07, 2010, 11:13:44 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on April 07, 2010, 06:42:48 PM
Early computers did include cartridge readers. I miss my Atari.
:punk:
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I wish I had space to set mine up. And a working disk drive.