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#31

Off the Record / Re: Brexit and the waning days...

Last post by HVC - Today at 06:03:38 AM

So, does the cat have a scouse accent?

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DLR3i55IIWT

#32

Off the Record / Re: Brexit and the waning days...

Last post by Josquius - Today at 02:56:25 AM

We used to be far more committed to freedom than we are today. The IRA, for example, was not banned until the 25th of November 1974....five years into the troubles https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/1974-11-25/debates/8422b814-468c-4637-97ef-77184fe1cde2/Terrorism

Needless to say that I dislike nearly all of these groups (probably all of them but the list may include Tunbridge Wells WI for all I know), in a free country there is no need to break the law to make your point. Conflating these troublemakers with the likes of ISIS or hamas though....utterly ludicrous and counter-productive. Though there is the rub, are we still a free country?

However the playing field today is far 'freer' than it was 50 years ago.
Its not like the IRA back then had social media channels where they were freely communicating with the public at large. Just imagine if even moderate Irish nationalists had that kind of reach with the establishment being what it was at the time.

Its completely understandable that in modern times laws on people calling for violence would be a lot harsher than when they really had to make an effort to have people hear it.

#33

Off the Record / Re: Brexit and the waning days...

Last post by Crazy_Ivan80 - Today at 02:49:31 AM

Don't underestimate infiltration of the (hard) left by the Muslim brotherhood though. If France is an indication it'll be significant.

#34

Off the Record / Re: Brexit and the waning days...

Last post by Richard Hakluyt - Today at 01:56:21 AM

We used to be far more committed to freedom than we are today. The IRA, for example, was not banned until the 25th of November 1974....five years into the troubles https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/1974-11-25/debates/8422b814-468c-4637-97ef-77184fe1cde2/Terrorism

Needless to say that I dislike nearly all of these groups (probably all of them but the list may include Tunbridge Wells WI for all I know), in a free country there is no need to break the law to make your point. Conflating these troublemakers with the likes of ISIS or hamas though....utterly ludicrous and counter-productive. Though there is the rub, are we still a free country?

#35

Off the Record / Re: Brexit and the waning days...

Last post by Josquius - Today at 01:19:40 AM

That's fair enough Raz and I agree with you. Annoyingly that also means I agree with JD Vance's criticisms on the state of free speech in the UK.

Though I dont think he would mean that to apply in this case.

Also we have to note there's a key difference between Palestinian and nazi groups.
Palestinian action like the various climate groups are demanding the Govenrment take action on an issue.
Even with obvious bad comments like that of Bob Vylan (incidentally I feel really trendy for having heard of them before) is it really likely someone at their show will get on a flight to Israel and find a soldier to kill?

With the nazis on the other hand... They're trying to stir shit right here. When it's not kill the idf but kill a Muslim... That's far more of a threat on the streets of Britain (kill a Jew would be the equivalent).
National Action were celebrating the murder of a British MP. A very bad thing which is very easily repeatable and a huge genuine threat to our way of life.
Stop selling arms to Israel... Debatable whether it's a desired action but it's not murdering anyone.

Anyway. Mixing two issues. Forgetting Bob I could be wrong but I don't think PA asked for violence even?
I would agree existing laws should more than cover what they get up to without diluting the definition of terrorist.
I have to wonder if this was just a political decision as part of labours flawed attempts to court far right voters. Trying to show "look! We do it to left wing groups too" forgetting that the people they're trying to appeal to are massive hypocrites and won't really care. They'll just demand more.

#36

Off the Record / Re: Brexit and the waning days...

Last post by HVC - Today at 12:57:43 AM

That's fair enough Raz and I agree with you. Annoyingly that also means I agree with JD Vance's criticisms on the state of free speech in the UK.

That's how it starts 

#37

Off the Record / Re: Brexit and the waning days...

Last post by Richard Hakluyt - Today at 12:37:33 AM

That's fair enough Raz and I agree with you. Annoyingly that also means I agree with JD Vance's criticisms on the state of free speech in the UK.

#38

Gaming HQ / Re: Victoria 3

Last post by Syt - Today at 12:34:44 AM

Too big of a construction sector can be a source of runaway expenses, yes, especially if your construction goods are not dirt-cheap yet.

Also, don't incorporate places like Beijing. It doesn't give anything useful and just allows them to vote in your elections. Generally you only need to incorporate your core areas unless you are going really multicultural utopia.

Actually, it might be worth spinning Beijing off into a puppet, even and let them self-administrate (if you can keep their liberty desire low).

#39

Off the Record / Re: What does a TRUMP presiden...

Last post by Solmyr - July 06, 2025, 11:46:52 PM

In a Liberal Western context- LLM cannot be relied upon to not endorse ethnic cleansing or undermining the rule of law and the like.

[existing large language models are not safely aligned with acceptable political and social norms.]

#40

Off the Record / Re: What does a TRUMP presiden...

Last post by Jacob - July 06, 2025, 11:44:39 PM

Interesting piece on the FT with a slightly provocative argument (that I think could be right)...

The White House favours gutting any effective regulation of artificial intelligence, even as more and more experiments confirm that existing large language models are not safely aligned with acceptable political and social norms.

Can you tell me what this means Shelf?

In a Liberal Western context- LLM cannot be relied upon to not endorse ethnic cleansing or undermining the rule of law and the like.

In a Chinese context, LLM cannot be relied upon to not challenge Xi Jinping thought.