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Off the Record / Re: What does a TRUMP presiden...

Last post by Tamas - Today at 04:01:03 AM

Even though I think there's a risk of overthinking it (Trump's was a close victory, certainly not the demolition that would warrant Democrats packing up and giving up), on the high level I agree with those saying (I think Sheilbh said the same thing) that whatever the recipe is for defeating the reactionary fascist Right, going back to what worked in the late 90s isn't it. The Harris campaign showed that's what the Democrats tried in my opinion (and I also thought it'd work).

Dominic Sandbrook summarised it very well and briefly on election night: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fb9PWCtCRJM

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Off the Record / Re: What does a TRUMP presiden...

Last post by Admiral Yi - Today at 02:56:38 AM

Thanks Shelf

#3

Off the Record / Re: The Israel-Iran War ?

Last post by Admiral Yi - Today at 02:25:22 AM

6 bunker busters dropped on 3 targets.

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Off the Record / Re: The Israel-Iran War ?

Last post by Tamas - Today at 01:44:02 AM

Well yeah anyone rising against the regime now can be easily painted as being in league with a foreign enemy.

On the other hand, the regime's efforts to become a regional and nuclear power have failed spectacularly. Syria lost, Hezbollah knocked out for now and in a very humiliating way too. Well done, Israel.

Also I think it made sense for the US to use this chance to destroy Iran's nuclear program instead of letting them build it back up

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Off the Record / Re: The Israel-Iran War ?

Last post by Admiral Yi - Today at 12:18:29 AM

Another thought on my mind, what if this action actually does prove decisive and neuters Iran or even leads to regime change.  That would give Trump a massive win and could accelerate the move towards maga authoritarianism in the US...

Or if it becomes a quagmire maybe that leads to maga civil war and disintegration of the movement.

I don't see any possible path from busting nuclear sites to regime change.

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Off the Record / Re: The Israel-Iran War ?

Last post by Valmy - June 21, 2025, 11:54:53 PM

What'd he say?

He was the 'God damn America' guy.

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Off the Record / Re: The Israel-Iran War ?

Last post by HVC - June 21, 2025, 11:52:05 PM

What'd he say?

#8

Off the Record / Re: The Israel-Iran War ?

Last post by Valmy - June 21, 2025, 11:42:38 PM

Yeah ok. Let's do this shit again.

Obama's minister was right.

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Off the Record / Re: The Israel-Iran War ?

Last post by Razgovory - June 21, 2025, 10:14:08 PM

Oh, I'm sure there will be a Middle East base attack.  They did that with Suelimani, but that obviously was not a deterrent.  They need to be able to send a message that they will not be pushed around, both to the US and to their own people.  Hitting a Trump property sends message that enemy is Trump and not the US (and the West in general).  That might be politically useful.  Shooting up a bunch of rich people at a resort my actually win them sympathy.  The point is, they need to do something dramatic.  If they don't, they run a real risk of losing legitimacy. 

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Off the Record / Re: The Israel-Iran War ?

Last post by HisMajestyBOB - June 21, 2025, 10:03:18 PM

I'm actually thinking that's about it for US involvement. Trump blew some stuff up, Iran will shoot a few missiles at our bases, both sides will claim victory. Trump doesn't want to get pulled into a war, and Iran doesn't want the US to get pulled in either.

But maybe I'm just being optimistic.