Poll
Question:
What team sport has the worst refs?
Option 1: Soccer
Option 2: American Football
Option 3: Baseball
Option 4: Hockey
Option 5: Basketball
Option 6: The international League of Jaron's
Brought on by the discussion of bringing in the blue card for soccer. i voted soccer, but that might be that most of the games I watch are ones I care about so I am more invested in bad calls.
I don't know if it has the worst refs but I think Basketball is the most annoying sport as far as the refs. There are so many calls they are supposed to make and so many are judgement calls and arbitrary and it all happens so fast. It just drives me nuts how ref centric that sport is.
This might be heresy for any sport fan to say - but I think the refs in my favourite sport hockey don't do a bad job of it. Yes of course you can argue some calls, but it's a fast sport so sometimes things can get missed.
I tend to get more upset at the Department of Player Safety (aka the guys who hand out punishments after the game) - but they aren't refs.
I'm torn between basketball and soccer - but only because in both sports have refs been found to have been "on the take".
American football has more stoppage than play. So...
Quote from: Josquius on February 08, 2024, 02:45:57 PMAmerican football has more stoppage than play. So...
That's a fundamental misunderstanding of both the game and the refs role :D
Well, obviously every sport played by the teams I follow. :rolleyes:
Other: Professional Wrestling
;)
If we are talking about professional sports, then I think it is basketball by a long margin. They are there to make sure the game flows and the fans get entertained. It's a bit odd to see them enforcing the rules of the game, on the rare occasions that actually happens.
But college refs are generally very good. So it is not the sport itself that creates the problem.
Quote from: celedhring on February 08, 2024, 02:59:25 PMWell, obviously every sport played by the teams I follow. :rolleyes:
Yes. The answer is clearly "Everton".
I used to watch NBA a lot when I was a kid and I watch basically only soccer now and the incompetence and outright buffoonery of the officials in both sports is mad.
I'd have to say soccer tho because it feels like the refs sometimes try to make the game about themselves more than the actual match being played.
The NBA has the worse referees.
Quote from: Josquius on February 08, 2024, 02:45:57 PMAmerican football has more stoppage than play. So...
Like Rugby?
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 08, 2024, 07:53:32 PMQuote from: Josquius on February 08, 2024, 02:45:57 PMAmerican football has more stoppage than play. So...
Like Rugby?
Much worse.
Union can have a fair bit of stoppage for scrums, which is why it's the inferior version of rugby, but its usually sorted pretty quick.
In league it's just not an issue.
Always the refs in the sport where my team is losing. :P
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 08, 2024, 07:53:32 PMQuote from: Josquius on February 08, 2024, 02:45:57 PMAmerican football has more stoppage than play. So...
Like Rugby?
Football is a few seconds of play followed by a stoppage of a much longer duration.
In Rugby the stoppages are less frequent and much shorter relative to flow of play.
Quote from: crazy canuck on February 09, 2024, 09:24:19 AMQuote from: Grey Fox on February 08, 2024, 07:53:32 PMQuote from: Josquius on February 08, 2024, 02:45:57 PMAmerican football has more stoppage than play. So...
Like Rugby?
Football is a few seconds of play followed by a stoppage of a much longer duration.
In Rugby the stoppages are less frequent and much shorter relative to flow of play.
And both are part of the fabric of the game and not a result of poor referring.
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 09, 2024, 04:37:01 PMQuote from: crazy canuck on February 09, 2024, 09:24:19 AMQuote from: Grey Fox on February 08, 2024, 07:53:32 PMQuote from: Josquius on February 08, 2024, 02:45:57 PMAmerican football has more stoppage than play. So...
Like Rugby?
Football is a few seconds of play followed by a stoppage of a much longer duration.
In Rugby the stoppages are less frequent and much shorter relative to flow of play.
And both are part of the fabric of the game and not a result of poor referring.
For (North American) football - the constant stoppages of play are either part of the charm, or the reason to hate the game. But it's baked into the game.
Football isn't constant non-stop action. It's 10-15 seconds of action, with plays dictated out to military precision - then a solid 45-60 seconds of analyzing what just happened. You either like it or you don't.
Same goes for the referees - because of the constant stoppages of action, there are lots of opportunities to go to video review. WHich can get analyzed down to an almost ridiculous degree - but again that's either part of the charm, or a reason to hate the game.
Quote from: HVC on February 08, 2024, 02:47:29 PMQuote from: Josquius on February 08, 2024, 02:45:57 PMAmerican football has more stoppage than play. So...
That's a fundamental misunderstanding of both the game and the refs role :D
Jos not understanding basic shit? Say it ain't so Joe.
Quote from: Josquius on February 09, 2024, 04:13:56 AMQuote from: Grey Fox on February 08, 2024, 07:53:32 PMQuote from: Josquius on February 08, 2024, 02:45:57 PMAmerican football has more stoppage than play. So...
Like Rugby?
Much worse.
Union can have a fair bit of stoppage for scrums, which is why it's the inferior version of rugby, but its usually sorted pretty quick.
In league it's just not an issue.
Which is why league is so wildly popular. It's a trivial sport, draughts to unions's chess.
I don't know if it's the rules or the refs, but soccer effectively allowing diving and faking injury makes the sport a lot less attractive to watch I think.
Quote from: The Brain on February 09, 2024, 05:31:44 PMI don't know if it's the rules or the refs, but soccer effectively allowing diving and faking injury makes the sport a lot less attractive to watch I think.
That is supposedly what the blue card is supposed to address.
Quote from: Gups on February 09, 2024, 05:24:23 PMQuote from: Josquius on February 09, 2024, 04:13:56 AMQuote from: Grey Fox on February 08, 2024, 07:53:32 PMQuote from: Josquius on February 08, 2024, 02:45:57 PMAmerican football has more stoppage than play. So...
Like Rugby?
Much worse.
Union can have a fair bit of stoppage for scrums, which is why it's the inferior version of rugby, but its usually sorted pretty quick.
In league it's just not an issue.
Which is why league is so wildly popular. It's a trivial sport, draughts to unions's chess.
I would say that's nothing to do with the quality of the sport and more just that leagues heartlands happen to overlap far more heavily with those of football, which has really risen to mega dominance over the past few decades.
Union meanwhile within its safe public school walls, Welsh valleys, etc... was allowed to persist unharassed.
Then there's quality of the decision making of the money men behind the sports too.... league has not had great luck there.
The non commonwealth international spread of the sports is curious though. Weird league never really carved out random territories as union did.
No, it's simply because League is one dimensional and dull. It has running, passing and tackling, with kicking only at sixth down. Union has that plus tactical kicking, scrums, line outs, mauls, rucking and counter-rucking. It's just much more interesting.
NHL has good refs during the regular season.
But then, there are the playoffs...
Quote from: Gups on February 10, 2024, 08:34:41 AMNo, it's simply because League is one dimensional and dull. It has running, passing and tackling, with kicking only at sixth down. Union has that plus tactical kicking, scrums, line outs, mauls, rucking and counter-rucking. It's just much more interesting.
Football is by far the most popular sport in the world and it is incredibly simple.
I do think for most people Unions complexity is a negative, not a selling point.
Much more likely any of the 3 had some capacity to be big but it was various business decisions and completely non sport related events that gave us the situation we have.
Though I must say it strikes me union would have big grassroots problems. Not exactly easy at a jumpers for goalposts level to play properly- touch rugby is more like league.
Refereeing played a big part in my disenchantment with soccer.
Not so much the amount of bad calls as the fact that they usually favored Madrid and Barsa.