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#1
Off the Record / Re: Israel-Hamas War 2023
Last post by The Brain - Today at 11:27:41 AM
Wasn't nationalism evil a few weeks ago? And now Theodor Herzl's vision is the top US priority?
#2
Off the Record / Re: Israel-Hamas War 2023
Last post by Barrister - Today at 11:25:56 AM
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on Today at 11:17:56 AMTo be clear--nothing in our constitution prohibits Congress or the President from excluding persons from the privilege of immigrating here. Unfortunately Muslim citizens have full constitutional protections, but the goal should be to make sure there are as few of those as humanly possible.

Muslims should also be entirely forbidden from using our refugee / asylum system, and any Muslims here on humanitarian parole or refugee status should be expelled.

I mean we went through all of this in Trump's first term.  He wanted to ban Muslim immigration.  The Constitution however forbids discrimination on the basis of religion.  Trump had to settle for a ban on several majority-muslim nations, but that wound up having no real effect.

I mean I get it - you're on team "piss on the Constitution" - but that kind of stuff matters for most people.
#3
Off the Record / Re: Israel-Hamas War 2023
Last post by FunkMonk - Today at 11:22:53 AM
Quote from: dane on May 02, 2024, 11:15:55 AMOtto, seeing your changing stance on Trump has been one of the most unsettling things that I have personally witnessed since he left office. The fact that someone as knowledgeable, well-reasoning and thoughtful as you can suddenly and seemingly out of nowhere start supporting Trump really makes me fear for the future of this country.   :(
#4
Off the Record / Re: Israel-Hamas War 2023
Last post by OttoVonBismarck - Today at 11:17:56 AM
To be clear--nothing in our constitution prohibits Congress or the President from excluding persons from the privilege of immigrating here. Unfortunately Muslim citizens have full constitutional protections, but the goal should be to make sure there are as few of those as humanly possible.

Muslims should also be entirely forbidden from using our refugee / asylum system, and any Muslims here on humanitarian parole or refugee status should be expelled.
#5
Off the Record / Re: Israel-Hamas War 2023
Last post by Barrister - Today at 11:15:42 AM
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on Today at 11:11:37 AMThe constitution can never get in the way of doing what is necessary and right--something great American leaders have always understood (see: Lincoln.)

OK, just making sure we know what side you're on then.
#6
Off the Record / Re: Israel-Hamas War 2023
Last post by OttoVonBismarck - Today at 11:11:37 AM
The constitution can never get in the way of doing what is necessary and right--something great American leaders have always understood (see: Lincoln.)
#7
Off the Record / Re: Israel-Hamas War 2023
Last post by Barrister - Today at 11:05:36 AM
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on Today at 10:52:31 AMAnd now Tamas understands my position--the West needs to actively resist its Islamization. No Western country should be letting even a single Muslim move in, Muslim non-citizens need to be harried and deported as much as legally possible.

QuoteCongress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
#8
Off the Record / Re: Israel-Hamas War 2023
Last post by OttoVonBismarck - Today at 10:56:12 AM
I also think the US needs to draw red lines on NATO too; understanding that any NATO country that crosses certain lines (e.g. trying to delegitimize Israel), the U.S. should make it known they are not under the umbrella of our protection under Article V of the NATO charter.
#9
Off the Record / Re: Israel-Hamas War 2023
Last post by OttoVonBismarck - Today at 10:52:31 AM
And now Tamas understands my position--the West needs to actively resist its Islamization. No Western country should be letting even a single Muslim move in, Muslim non-citizens need to be harried and deported as much as legally possible.
#10
Off the Record / Re: Russo-Ukrainian War 2014-2...
Last post by Barrister - Today at 10:48:36 AM
Quote from: viper37 on May 02, 2024, 10:14:28 PM
Quote from: Jacob on May 02, 2024, 03:21:11 PMYeah, if those patriots show up in Ukraine - and soon - that'd be grand.

Are they still useful against drones and Russia's hypersonic missiles or does Ukraine need something more advanced?  There has to be a reason why Israel needs something more sophisticated too, I suppose.

So as I understand it (and dammit Jim!  I'm a lawyer, not a soldier) Patriot has proven to be extremely effective against even Russia's hypersonic missiles.  It is however a fairly expensive system, with each patriot missile running in the millions of dollars.

As we are now seeing in both Ukraine, and Israel, is the use of mass numbers of UAVs or drones with are quite inexpensive to produce, and also in Gaza the use of cheap and dumb rockets.  Iron Dome is (I think) more cost effective as a result, plus (as Josquis points out) it's a more local technology (although developed with US assistance) which means fewer restrictions on its use.

The timing definitely does make one think these Patriots might be showing up in Ukraine sooner or later, but just Israel doesn't want to publicize that fact because for some reason it still values its relations with Russia.