Archaeologists do it in holes: Tales from the stratigraphy

Started by Maladict, May 27, 2016, 02:34:49 AM

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Jacob

My understanding is that the borders were quite porous and there was ongoing exchanges across it - militarily, culturally, economically, diplomatically. Wouldn't seem particularly weird to me if some Dacian magnate decided they needed a Roman trained doctor and were willing to pay for it, or if someone Dacian got Roman doctor training and then returned home. Or perhaps this was a doctor travelling in the entourage of some Roman visitor of means - a dignitary, envoy, or merchant.

Definitely an interesting find, and further evidence of the patterns of cultural exhange.

Tamas

I mean it wasn't THAT far east of the Danube, but not just across it either. Check "Jaszbereny" on Google Maps, that's the area where the grave was found.

Maladict

Quote from: Tamas on April 26, 2023, 03:26:58 PMI mean it wasn't THAT far east of the Danube, but not just across it either. Check "Jaszbereny" on Google Maps, that's the area where the grave was found.

So close to Aquincum, I can imagine that area was thoroughly pacified in the 1st century.

viper37

Quote from: Tamas on April 26, 2023, 09:26:42 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 26, 2023, 09:23:03 AMDid Dacia extend up to Hungary?

You could start some bar fights in Hungary or Romania with that line.
More like Pannonia, no?
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Josquius

It's been pretty accepted for a while that the old image of the roman border as an impenetrable sharp divide between civilization and barbarians is nonsense no?
Checking it on a map really wouldn't surprise me the Romans would be on good terms with a local ruler there.
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viper37

Quote from: Josquius on April 30, 2023, 12:24:10 PMIt's been pretty accepted for a while that the old image of the roman border as an impenetrable sharp divide between civilization and barbarians is nonsense no?
Yes.
The limes were the fortification system, but just like a medieval castle, it protected a circular area, more or less, not like a wall under siege.  Romans made constant foray beyond their borders and had client kingdoms beyond the Empire to server as buffer zone.
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Savonarola

From Smithsonian Magazine:

What Did the Ancient Romans Smell Like?

The answer, as you probably guessed, is patchouli.   ;)
In Italy, for thirty years under the Borgias, they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love, they had five hundred years of democracy and peace—and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock

The Brain

I recently visited Birka again (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birka), and among other things saw the site of the now famous (?) aristocratic woman warrior grave (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birka_female_Viking_warrior). The warrior was first identified as a man based on grave goods, later osteology indicated that it was a a woman, and some years ago DNA confirmed this. Apparently some researchers have worked hard to try to wiggle out of the woman part, which seems weird to me. The sources speak of warrior women, and the simplest explanation has always seemed to me to be that they existed.
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mongers

Quote from: The Brain on June 08, 2023, 01:28:29 AMI recently visited Birka again (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birka), and among other things saw the site of the now famous (?) aristocratic woman warrior grave (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birka_female_Viking_warrior). The warrior was first identified as a man based on grave goods, later osteology indicated that it was a a woman, and some years ago DNA confirmed this. Apparently some researchers have worked hard to try to wiggle out of the woman part, which seems weird to me. The sources speak of warrior women, and the simplest explanation has always seemed to me to be that they existed.

:cool:

'Nice' looking site.
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Josquius

Quote from: The Brain on June 08, 2023, 01:28:29 AMI recently visited Birka again (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birka), and among other things saw the site of the now famous (?) aristocratic woman warrior grave (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birka_female_Viking_warrior). The warrior was first identified as a man based on grave goods, later osteology indicated that it was a a woman, and some years ago DNA confirmed this. Apparently some researchers have worked hard to try to wiggle out of the woman part, which seems weird to me. The sources speak of warrior women, and the simplest explanation has always seemed to me to be that they existed.

Researchers with silly ideology (I expect the topic attracts some...) they put over professionalism or lack of certainty or...?
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Jacob

Quote from: The Brain on June 08, 2023, 01:28:29 AMI recently visited Birka again (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birka), and among other things saw the site of the now famous (?) aristocratic woman warrior grave (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birka_female_Viking_warrior). The warrior was first identified as a man based on grave goods, later osteology indicated that it was a a woman, and some years ago DNA confirmed this. Apparently some researchers have worked hard to try to wiggle out of the woman part, which seems weird to me. The sources speak of warrior women, and the simplest explanation has always seemed to me to be that they existed.

Listened to a nice podcast on that, interviewing Charlotte Hedenstierna-Jonson - I think it was this one.


mongers

"We have it in our power to begin the world over again"

Jacob

"Ivory Man" turns out to be "Ivory Woman".

Copper Age grave on Iberian peninsula with massive amounts of ivory grave goods (and wine and cannabis), as well grave offerings several generations afterwards.

Kind of cool grave that I knew nothing about: https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/the-ivory-lady-spain-1.6902157