Russo-Ukrainian War 2014-23 and Invasion

[Barrister]

What's it say?

Just follow the link?

Or what the heck - ""Right now there are changes, the likes of which we haven't seen for 100 years," Mr. Xi told Mr. Putin through an interpreter after the state dinner as the leaders bid farewell. "And we are the ones driving these changes together.""

I've seen this reported elsewhere as well.

[Sheilbh]

And the second bit of the video with Putin agreeing: '"I agree," Mr. Putin said, as he returned the handshake. "Please take care of yourself, my dear friend," Mr. Xi said before walking to his car. "Have a good trip," Mr. Putin responded.'

As I say it's Russian translation and, I'd say, more helpful for Russia. But I'm not seeing any Chinese pushback on it.

[Josquius]

Russians are already an official minority of the prc...

[Tamas]

Ok so Putin crawled on the floor begging for some ammo and weapons, let's see if Xi will actually do anything or just wanted to have his... ego stroked.

[viper37]

Russia de-mothballs tanks from the 1950s and sends them to war – CIT

Scraping the barrels?

[mongers]

Ok so Putin crawled on the floor begging for some ammo and weapons, let's see if Xi will actually do anything or just wanted to have his... ego stroked.

I could see Xi leaking weapons across the border into N.Korea and then have them re-export those to Russia?

But moving the quantity of ammunition the Russians needs to expend in Ukraine, is going to be rather hard to cover up from Western prying 'eyes'.

[Jacob]

What's it say?

Just follow the link?

Or what the heck - ""Right now there are changes, the likes of which we haven't seen for 100 years," Mr. Xi told Mr. Putin through an interpreter after the state dinner as the leaders bid farewell. "And we are the ones driving these changes together.""

I've seen this reported elsewhere as well.

Twitter is not convenient on the device I'm using this moment.

Thank you

[Legbiter]

Russia de-mothballs tanks from the 1950s and sends them to war – CIT

Scraping the barrels?

T-54s...



I guess with modern optics they'd be useful as close infantry support.

[Jacob]

From Xi's perspective it probably makes sense to propose Russia up as much as possible as long as he can avoid serious repercussions.

Words will do that. Let's see about actions... though I don't doubt they're are doing what they can.

[Sheilbh]

I could see Xi leaking weapons across the border into N.Korea and then have them re-export those to Russia?

But moving the quantity of ammunition the Russians needs to expend in Ukraine, is going to be rather hard to cover up from Western prying 'eyes'.

I'm not sure. I don't think China would necessarily care about trying to hide it and get some (erroneous) degree of plausible deniability.

I could be wrong but I think if they thought it was worth it/in their interests then part of that calculation would be doing it openly. Trying to hide it would almost accept the premise of the West's position on Russia or the power of Western sanctions. I think if they were arm to Russia part of what China would be trying to get out of it was declaring that the West is wrong and they're willing to risk sanctions/aren't afraid of them.

[Admiral Yi]

I'm not sure. I don't think China would necessarily care about trying to hide it and get some (erroneous) degree of plausible deniability.

I could be wrong but I think if they thought it was worth it/in their interests then part of that calculation would be doing it openly. Trying to hide it would almost accept the premise of the West's position on Russia or the power of Western sanctions. I think if they were arm to Russia part of what China would be trying to get out of it was declaring that the West is wrong and they're willing to risk sanctions/aren't afraid of them.

Agreed.  Some people act as if selling arms to Russia is some sort of taboo and the strength of the taboo is strong enough to deter folks. 

[celedhring]

I could see Xi leaking weapons across the border into N.Korea and then have them re-export those to Russia?

But moving the quantity of ammunition the Russians needs to expend in Ukraine, is going to be rather hard to cover up from Western prying 'eyes'.

I'm not sure. I don't think China would necessarily care about trying to hide it and get some (erroneous) degree of plausible deniability.

I could be wrong but I think if they thought it was worth it/in their interests then part of that calculation would be doing it openly. Trying to hide it would almost accept the premise of the West's position on Russia or the power of Western sanctions. I think if they were arm to Russia part of what China would be trying to get out of it was declaring that the West is wrong and they're willing to risk sanctions/aren't afraid of them.

They seem to want to present themselves as peacemakers as opposed to the warmongering west, particularly in front of the global south. Openly supplying arms to Russia would seriously undermine that effort.

[Barrister]

I'm not sure. I don't think China would necessarily care about trying to hide it and get some (erroneous) degree of plausible deniability.

I could be wrong but I think if they thought it was worth it/in their interests then part of that calculation would be doing it openly. Trying to hide it would almost accept the premise of the West's position on Russia or the power of Western sanctions. I think if they were arm to Russia part of what China would be trying to get out of it was declaring that the West is wrong and they're willing to risk sanctions/aren't afraid of them.

Agreed.  Some people act as if selling arms to Russia is some sort of taboo and the strength of the taboo is strong enough to deter folks. 

The only countries openly shipping Russia arms are Iran and North Korea, who are already under sanctions.

The Chinese want to avoid being placed under sanctions which is why they haven't shipped arms to Russia so far.

[Barrister]

Russia gives awards to the pilots who took down the American drone in the Black Sea.

Russia, of course, earlier denied they had anything to do with it.

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1638566827696562183

[Sheilbh]

They seem to want to present themselves as peacemakers as opposed to the warmongering west, particularly in front of the global south. Openly supplying arms to Russia would seriously undermine that effort.

Yeah I don't disagree. It's just I don't think they'll do it secretly. I think it'll be either not (for the reasons you and BBoy give) or openly supply arms (but not quite in the way the West is Ukraine - I think pitched more as a business as usual).