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#1
Off the Record / Re: Brexit and the waning days...
Last post by Gups - Today at 04:02:09 PM
Quote from: Josquius on Today at 03:58:57 PM
Quote from: Gups on Today at 03:37:09 PMNo you didn't. Cuts in corporation tax and income tax applied countrywide. Not just to the City (who had a hugely adverse reaction to something you claim benefited them)

I was expecting you to come up with some kind of bonfire of financial regulations.

:blink:
Obviously taxes are national. Do you really think it possible a tax could be set just for part of the country?

What she was able to do in her five minutes in power is just a fraction of what she wanted to do. "Unshackling the city", "if London does well Britain does well", "Singapore on Thames".
It's just wrong to suggest she didn't very much have a intent grounded in neoliberalism and trickle down economics that put the city at the core.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just double down instead of admitting you might possibly have got something wrong. Yawn
#2
Off the Record / Re: Brexit and the waning days...
Last post by Gups - Today at 03:59:48 PM
In other news, the Times has an absolutely cracking gay Tory MP scandal.
#3
Off the Record / Re: Brexit and the waning days...
Last post by Josquius - Today at 03:58:57 PM
Quote from: Gups on Today at 03:37:09 PMNo you didn't. Cuts in corporation tax and income tax applied countrywide. Not just to the City (who had a hugely adverse reaction to something you claim benefited them)

I was expecting you to come up with some kind of bonfire of financial regulations.

:blink:
Obviously taxes are national. Do you really think it possible a tax could be set just for part of the country?

What she was able to do in her five minutes in power is just a fraction of what she wanted to do. "Unshackling the city", "if London does well Britain does well", "Singapore on Thames".
It's just wrong to suggest she didn't very much have a intent grounded in neoliberalism and trickle down economics that put the city at the core.
#4
Off the Record / Re: Brexit and the waning days...
Last post by Gups - Today at 03:37:09 PM
No you didn't. Cuts in corporation tax and income tax applied countrywide. Not just to the City (who had a hugely adverse reaction to something you claim benefited them)

I was expecting you to come up with some kind of bonfire of financial regulations.
#5
Off the Record / Re: Israel-Hamas War 2023
Last post by Admiral Yi - Today at 03:26:41 PM
Quote from: Josquius on Today at 02:48:23 PMWhat we did have was a pretty clear threat to a business not from the person employed but from those shouting about them being anti semites.
What were they threatening to do?
#6
Off the Record / Re: Israel-Hamas War 2023
Last post by Barrister - Today at 03:17:49 PM
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on Today at 03:08:41 PMAnonymous communication is an ancient and sacrosanct thing. Many of the U.S. Founding Fathers wrote some of their most important things under nom de plume's like Publius.

Public communication is also very different.  It used to be you could say something on the streetcorner and everyone within earshot would hear you.  Now you can say it on Twitter and potentially millions will see it.

Anonymous communication also used to appear quite shady.  I don't know about revolutionary times, but 30 years ago it was all a world of photocopied underground magazines or trash books like The Turner Novels or the Unabomber manifesto.  Now of course anonymous posters can have tremendous influence (think Q drops, or Catturd2).

We're all trying to navigate a world where how we communicate is very different from the past.
#7
Off the Record / Re: Israel-Hamas War 2023
Last post by Josquius - Today at 03:12:42 PM
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on Today at 03:08:41 PMAnonymous communication is an ancient and sacrosanct thing. Many of the U.S. Founding Fathers wrote some of their most important things under nom de plume's like Publius.

Writing a book is quite a different thing to having the ability to send continuous coordinated directly targeted hate to anyone you and your friends decide is worth it.
#8
Off the Record / Re: Israel-Hamas War 2023
Last post by OttoVonBismarck - Today at 03:08:41 PM
Anonymous communication is an ancient and sacrosanct thing. Many of the U.S. Founding Fathers wrote some of their most important things under nom de plume's like Publius.
#9
Off the Record / Re: Israel-Hamas War 2023
Last post by Barrister - Today at 03:08:25 PM
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on Today at 02:52:31 PMThe core point is that a business should not be required to employ someone who harms their business, it really isn't controversial.

Maybe it is "mean" for a group to specialize in making businesses aware that they employ such people, and publicizing the facts, but the business is not wrong for acting. And frankly, these people the StopAntisemitism group are going after have done much to deserve their being publicized. You don't need to express views like that on social media or in public.

Yes, it is up to the business who they employ.

But most of the time this social media pressure tactics isn't doing anything to actually harm their business.  It's just that day's story on Twitter.  Companies could easily afford to wait it out.

Remember it's not always going to be people you dislike getting fired.
#10
Off the Record / Re: Israel-Hamas War 2023
Last post by Josquius - Today at 03:07:22 PM
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on Today at 03:02:58 PMAnd, what is your remedy? Prohibit businesses from deciding who gets to work for them? Prohibiting private citizens on choosing to publicize things? This is America. We have a first amendment. We have property rights. Our government doesn't decide what we can talk about like they do in Canada or Britain, even if it really bothers specific people.

I have no idea what the cure for social media is.

As I've said before I do think China had one thing right in tying real IDs to social media accounts.

There really needs to be decent coverage of this kind of shit highlighting groups that operate in bad faith and fuck with the lives of the undeserving.
That done maybe as social media becomes less and less the wild west maybe businesses can once again be free to make decisions.

Also more employee rights are an obvious requirement. Give them scope to appeal and get compensation if they're the victim of unjust targeted harassment.
This would make employers actually check if the claims are valid or not rather than just taking the easy way out.