Quote from: Tamas on Today at 08:17:42 AMWhile I know what you mean Josqs, "crimes of white people" can also be pretty offensive. I consider myself and other Hungarians "white people". There are lots of dark spots in our own history that Hungarians as a nation haven't honestly owned up to (most painfully our national conduct during the Holocaust). However exploiting Africans isn't one of them and if we refuse to treat rampant Ottoman and other Muslim enslavement of Europeans and Africans as an Islamic civilisational sin (a view I agree with), then we cannot hold rampant Western European enslavement of Africans as a European Christian civilisational sin either.
Quote from: Tamas on Today at 08:17:42 AMWhile I know what you mean Josqs, "crimes of white people" can also be pretty offensive. I consider myself and other Hungarians "white people". There are lots of dark spots in our own history that Hungarians as a nation haven't honestly owned up to (most painfully our national conduct during the Holocaust). However exploiting Africans isn't one of them and if we refuse to treat rampant Ottoman and other Muslim enslavement of Europeans and Africans as an Islamic civilisational sin (a view I agree with), then we cannot hold rampant Western European enslavement of Africans as a European Christian civilisational sin either.
Quote from: Tamas on Today at 07:15:57 AMQuote from: Richard Hakluyt on Today at 05:59:07 AMThat seems to be the rule, any economic activity in which Britain is actually good is to denigrated... we should be making washing machines instead
We are lucky, the economic activities the country is good at are hard to emulate by emerging countries. We should play to those strengths.
That sounds very anti-coal mines.
Quote from: Josquius on Today at 03:17:06 AMMaybe the Palestinian problem is something that Jews will have to come to terms with while Europeans and Americans can come to terms with their own problems.Quote from: Admiral Yi on Today at 12:53:08 AMMy beef with de-colonization, as I've stated before, is that it seems to only apply to white people.
You often hear the same sort of thing from certain people when it comes to slavery; "What about the Muslim slave trade! It enslaved far more people! And the Africans sold slaves to the Euros!".
And to this... yes.
But when we're talking about British or American history that's not really relevant. That's something Algeria, Nigeria, etc... need to come to terms with. It is the crimes of white people that are ours to own.
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on Today at 05:59:07 AMThat seems to be the rule, any economic activity in which Britain is actually good is to denigrated... we should be making washing machines instead
We are lucky, the economic activities the country is good at are hard to emulate by emerging countries. We should play to those strengths.
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