Water.
The American pronunciation of water.
It makes my blood boil. It makes me want to smash. I can't put my finger on why. But it's just so.... Off and upsets my ears.
Are there any similar accent and word pairs that similarly send a weird twinge from your ear to your brain?
Not so much asking here which accents suck. But rather is there any particular word in another accent which you find off?
Not irrationally, no.
Water? As in WOT-TER?
How else would you pronounce it? WAIT-ER, perhaps?
Something that annoys me - people who needlessly emphasize adjectives.
If the sunset is beautiful, you can just say "Wow, that is a beautiful sunset!"
You don't need to say "Wow, that is a BE-YOOOOUUUU-TI-FUHLLLLL sunset!"
The emphasis is right there in the word itself!
OK, I've got one.
Manitoba historically was first settled by French-speaking Metis. They gave a lot of places very French names.
Some of those places have persisted in having a notable French-speaking population through to today. So those places it is entirely correct to give those names a French-sounding pronunciation. St. Boniface, a region of Winnipeg, is one such area.
But other areas are entirely english, and have entirely adopted an anglophone pronunciation. So it always grinds me gears to hear someone from outside Manitoba try to pronounce towns like Dauphin or Portage la Prairie in a French pronunciation. (think DAWfin vs dowFAN).
For me it's hearing people, usually Americans, pronouncing clique as click.
Missourah. What is up with that? Where else is -i pronounced -ah? How did that even come to pass?
Quote from: Berkut on October 03, 2022, 12:22:15 PMWater? As in WOT-TER?
How else would you pronounce it? WAIT-ER, perhaps?
Is the T pronounced where you are? I am not sure if this is his grip, but I often hear Americans not pronounce the t and it becomes more like wader
Yeah we tend to do that.
Wadder. Budder. Pronouncing that word with a 't' sound would surprise many of us.
Maybe Josq wants it pronounced WA-ER
Quote from: Barrister on October 03, 2022, 12:30:26 PMOK, I've got one.
Manitoba historically was first settled by French-speaking Metis. They gave a lot of places very French names.
Some of those places have persisted in having a notable French-speaking population through to today. So those places it is entirely correct to give those names a French-sounding pronunciation. St. Boniface, a region of Winnipeg, is one such area.
But other areas are entirely english, and have entirely adopted an anglophone pronunciation. So it always grinds me gears to hear someone from outside Manitoba try to pronounce towns like Dauphin or Portage la Prairie in a French pronunciation. (think DAWfin vs dowFAN).
Another mild one for me is Scar-boro.
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 03, 2022, 12:44:34 PMQuote from: Berkut on October 03, 2022, 12:22:15 PMWater? As in WOT-TER?
How else would you pronounce it? WAIT-ER, perhaps?
Is the T pronounced where you are? I am not sure if this is his grip, but I often hear Americans not pronounce the t and it becomes more like wader
Sounds right.
To me watta to be proppa northern (swallowed ts) or if you're speaking the queen's English then war-ta. Not waaaduh.
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 03, 2022, 12:38:39 PMFor me it's hearing people, usually Americans, pronouncing clique as click.
This. And pronouncing niche as nitch.
Urinal pronounced You Rye Nal. Not triggered, it just sounds mildly ridiculous to my ear.
Cul-de-sac in english.
Any english pronunciation of a french word ending in e where the e is actually pronounced.
The Brits pronouncing Don Quixote as "quicks-it".
Quote from: Maladict on October 03, 2022, 01:04:15 PMQuote from: crazy canuck on October 03, 2022, 12:38:39 PMFor me it's hearing people, usually Americans, pronouncing clique as click.
This. And pronouncing niche as nitch.
Well don't talk to me then :blush:
Though sometimes we say 'cleek' or 'neesh' but it takes on a formal tone. If I said 'cleek' people would think I was talking about a political faction A petty social group, well they are a 'click'.
Quote from: Tonitrus on October 03, 2022, 02:15:33 PMThe Brits pronouncing Don Quixote as "quicks-it".
Fortunately Texans are well aware that 'x' is pronounced 'h' in Spanish. Also: 'j' is pronounced 'h'. If you actually see an 'h' you just ignore it.
Mischievous pronounced "miss-cheevy-us" instead of correctly.
There are no pronounciations that irrationally trigger me.
Quote from: Valmy on October 03, 2022, 12:42:24 PMMissourah. What is up with that? Where else is -i pronounced -ah? How did that even come to pass?
We lost a war to Iowa. :(
Locals calling Canada's largest city "Taraahna" kind of irks me, but it's their city so I guess they can call it what they want.
You realise I hope that if your language had some semblance of rules on how the writing of words should relate to how they are pronounced this wouldn't be a problem.
I'm partially deaf, so lots of words sound very similar to me, primarily because I have difficulty hearing the differences between the vowel sounds.
I also mispronounce a lot too, so I'm not bothered by picking people up on it.
I've not heard "wadder" for water, outside of maybe New England (where the normal pronunciation is more like "waddah"), but D where the word requires T is annoying for sure.
I am irrationally triggered by seeing the Brits consistently fuck up the fine word "ass" by adding an R to it ("arse"). I know that it is actually a completely different word derived from a different language, but that's thinking rationally and my irritation is irrational.
A way to trigger rational me is to try to qualify the adjective "unique." Something is either unique, or it is not. "Almost unique" means exactly the same as "not unique." Qualifying infinity ("an almost infinite number of ways to do this") doesn't trigger me, because nothing is infinite (except the stupidity of those that try to qualify "unique").
I don't know if I have ever actually met somebody with a New England accent and I hear it all the time. I think you are so used to it you don't even notice it because it is a very common American thing. I know I do it and I don't have a New England accent. Far from it.
It just comes from half-assing the 't' sound after the vowel.
Quote from: Valmy on October 03, 2022, 07:21:13 PMI don't know if I have ever actually met somebody with a New England accent and I hear it all the time. I think you are so used to it you don't even notice it because it is a very common American thing. I know I do it and I don't have a New England accent. Far from it.
It just comes from half-assing the 't' sound after the vowel.
I don't hear that regularly and I do associate it with a New England accent. I guess it's also common Texas.
The one that really irks me is t-glottalization.
Quote from: Josquius on October 03, 2022, 12:20:06 PMWater.
The American pronunciation of water.
It makes my blood boil. It makes me want to smash. I can't put my finger on why. But it's just so.... Off and upsets my ears.
Are there any similar accent and word pairs that similarly send a weird twinge from your ear to your brain?
Not so much asking here which accents suck. But rather is there any particular word in another accent which you find off?
What
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljJrrGgoLOU
There are no problems in life that can't be solved by duct tape or google. Youtube of course being a subsidiary.
The American comes on at 3:21.
I *guess* the pronounced R is what Squeeze is talking about.
That was cool Yi.
I actually did not know that the English were incapable of properly speaking the word!
There is an 'r' right there on the end! Clear as day!
Quote from: mongers on October 03, 2022, 05:32:12 PMI'm partially deaf, so lots of words sound very similar to me, primarily because I have difficulty hearing the differences between the vowel sounds.
I also mispronounce a lot too, so I'm not bothered by picking people up on it.
I'm an expert on bowel sounds. :)
Quote from: Berkut on October 03, 2022, 11:51:15 PMThat was cool Yi.
I actually did not know that the English were incapable of properly speaking the word!
There is an 'r' right there on the end! Clear as day!
Says the land that doesn't know the difference between a d and a t :p
Quote from: Berkut on October 03, 2022, 11:51:15 PMThat was cool Yi.
I actually did not know that the English were incapable of properly speaking the word!
There is an 'r' right there on the end! Clear as day!
Just one more thing they invented, but suck at. Tennis, cricket, soccer. It's a trend :D
Quote from: Tamas on October 03, 2022, 04:38:17 PMYou realise I hope that if your language had some semblance of rules on how the writing of words should relate to how they are pronounced this wouldn't be a problem.
Yes and no. German is fairly consistent in pronouncing things consistently based on spelling, but you will find variances due to local dialects. E.g. g and the end of words - usually pronounced like in "go", but where I'm from it's often turned into a soft "ch" sound like in German "ich". I've known folks who pronounce the ending "-er" always as "ä" (like in "air") due to their local dialect.
Similar, in Vienna B/P, T/D, G/K at the start of syllables are often pronounced pretty much the same t the point that when spelling your name out you often have to specify whether it's hard T or soft D for example.
As if the letters written ever had more than a vague relation to the sounds pronounced.
Back on topic, libary for library and axe for ask grate on me. In ebonics.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 04, 2022, 02:19:58 AMBack on topic, libary for library and axe for ask grate on me. In ebonics.
So racist. :(
Quote from: Tamas on October 04, 2022, 02:03:49 AMAs if the letters written ever had more than a vague relation to the sounds pronounced.
:lol:
There's an entire past grammatical concept in french that only exist because some asshole went to Italy and decided french needed the same thing; 700 years ago.
ColoRADDO and NevADDA.
Quote from: Grey Fox on October 04, 2022, 05:15:04 AMQuote from: Tamas on October 04, 2022, 02:03:49 AMAs if the letters written ever had more than a vague relation to the sounds pronounced.
:lol:
There's an entire past grammatical concept in french that only exist because some asshole went to Italy and decided french needed the same thing; 700 years ago.
L'accord du participe passé. :smarty: If there were no exceptions, that would be not so bad. :P
I would say the rule is likely to fall in disuse in 50 years or less. Don't known if people still know the rule, lots of mistakes around here.
Yet I must say mistaken past participle agreements with object grate my ears.
Quote from: Josquius on October 04, 2022, 01:37:46 AMQuote from: Berkut on October 03, 2022, 11:51:15 PMThat was cool Yi.
I actually did not know that the English were incapable of properly speaking the word!
There is an 'r' right there on the end! Clear as day!
Says the land that doesn't know the difference between a d and a t :p
Says the land that doesn't know the difference between a land and a person. :P
One that irrationally triggers me is "iss-yoo" for issue.
They don't annoy me because just different countries but I'll never not marvel at the American pronunciation of, say, squirrel, buoy or niche :blush: :lol:
Wait, how do brits pronounce squirrel? :unsure:
Quote from: HVC on October 08, 2022, 05:09:26 PMWait, how do brits pronounce squirrel? :unsure:
Also, easy on the eyes.
Thanks! Their say is odd. Really close but not enough. The uncanny Valley of words
Quote from: HVC on October 08, 2022, 05:17:37 PMThanks! Their say is odd. Really close but not enough. The uncanny Valley of words
Yea - I find the American pronunciation similarly weird and great :blush:
So Americans say squirtle. :w00t:
I don't get it, but the word squirrel seems to be a whole thing with francophones.
And dour rhymes with tour, not sour. :scots:
Quote from: Sheilbh on October 08, 2022, 04:46:58 PMOne that irrationally triggers me is "iss-yoo" for issue.
They don't annoy me because just different countries but I'll never not marvel at the American pronunciation of, say, squirrel, buoy or niche :blush: :lol:
Shed-yule too?
Jermans instead of Gurmans. WTH people?
Quote from: Josquius on October 08, 2022, 05:27:33 PMSo Americans say squirtle. :w00t:
I don't get it, but the word squirrel seems to be a whole thing with francophones.
The "irl" sound used to give me trouble as a kid. I would say "skuller" instead. Same problem with "girl". I'd pronounce it "guller", foreshadowing the day I would have to throw Dguller off a bridge in self-defense.
I've mentioned before my quest to change Americans' pronounciation of karaoke. I understand the Japanese R sounds odd, but what really grinds my gears is pronouncing A as Y and E as EE.
FYI I've managed to win over one convert in about 20 years.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 08, 2022, 09:34:28 PMI've mentioned before my quest to change Americans' pronounciation of karaoke. I understand the Japanese R sounds odd, but what really grinds my gears is pronouncing A as Y and E as EE.
FYI I've managed to win over one convert in about 20 years.
I have no idea how to pronounce that word, badly or otherwise.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjYRQ_2iBhY
Quote from: Berkut on October 09, 2022, 08:34:46 AMQuote from: Admiral Yi on October 08, 2022, 09:34:28 PMI've mentioned before my quest to change Americans' pronounciation of karaoke. I understand the Japanese R sounds odd, but what really grinds my gears is pronouncing A as Y and E as EE.
FYI I've managed to win over one convert in about 20 years.
I have no idea how to pronounce that word, badly or otherwise.
Kari-oakie. :bowler:
Care-eh-okay
Quote from: Berkut on October 03, 2022, 12:22:15 PMWater? As in WOT-TER?
How else would you pronounce it? WAIT-ER, perhaps?
The American T.
When a T has vowels before and after it, the T sound is changed to D sound.
Butter --> Budder
Waiter --> Waider
Etc...
Quote from: Valmy on October 03, 2022, 07:21:13 PMI don't know if I have ever actually met somebody with a New England accent and I hear it all the time. I think you are so used to it you don't even notice it because it is a very common American thing. I know I do it and I don't have a New England accent. Far from it.
It just comes from half-assing the 't' sound after the vowel.
We met once didn't we?
Quote from: Valmy on October 03, 2022, 12:42:24 PMMissourah. What is up with that? Where else is -i pronounced -ah?
Devil, council, basil, pupil, etc. all use i to signify the schwa - ə - unstressed vowel sound you have written here as "ah".
One more thing to add to the list - people who say Canader. You got the first two a's right, no reason to go all crazy at the end.
Canada, land of the three ehs, eh.
Why would adding "ar" in front of "kansas" turn "zas" into "saw"? What a country!
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 11, 2022, 01:22:17 PMOne more thing to add to the list - people who say Canader. You got the first two a's right, no reason to go all crazy at the end.
That's just a portmanteau of "Canadian" and "hoser." Let's see how many get that reference.
Quote from: DGuller on October 11, 2022, 07:36:14 PMWhy would adding "ar" in front of "kansas" turn "zas" into "saw"? What a country!
Just bloody anarchy.
Quote from: DGuller on October 11, 2022, 07:36:14 PMWhy would adding "ar" in front of "kansas" turn "zas" into "saw"? What a country!
Are you confusion?
Silent "t".
rustle
hustle
listen
glisten
soften
often
One of these, everyone gets wrong. :P
Heard one today that reminded me. Bagel pronounced bag-el rather then bay-gul. Have a friend who does this. I want to stab him in the throat but am too polite :D
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on October 13, 2022, 01:42:50 AMSilent "t".
rustle
hustle
listen
glisten
soften
often
One of these, everyone gets wrong. :P
I often hear that error as well.
Which one is it?
I didn't think of often, that is a weird one.
https://jadejoddle.com/often-posh-pronunciation/#:~:text='Often'%20Pronunciation%20UK&text=t%C9%99n%2F%20.,to%20a%20higher%20social%20class).
Needless to say silent t people are weird.
Soften's t is silent?
Quote from: Grey Fox on October 13, 2022, 06:57:34 PMSoften's t is silent?
In this part of the world it is.
Quote from: Grey Fox on October 13, 2022, 06:57:34 PMSoften's t is silent?
I switch back and forth with no rhyme or reason.
Quote from: HVC on October 13, 2022, 07:49:25 PMQuote from: Grey Fox on October 13, 2022, 06:57:34 PMSoften's t is silent?
I switch back and forth with no rhyme or reason.
You say sof ten?
Why are you putting an s on often?
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 14, 2022, 07:36:16 AMQuote from: HVC on October 13, 2022, 07:49:25 PMQuote from: Grey Fox on October 13, 2022, 06:57:34 PMSoften's t is silent?
I switch back and forth with no rhyme or reason.
You say sof ten?
Why are you putting an s on often?
Basically yes. Both sound right to my ear, but that doesn't mean much :D
I feel like I am a silent t on all of them - but now I'm not sure if that's right or just because I'm thinking how I pronounce them.
Quote from: Sheilbh on October 14, 2022, 07:47:32 AMI feel like I am a silent t on all of them - but now I'm not sure if that's right or just because I'm thinking how I pronounce them.
Or option 3, glottal. Probably where I am. Certainly can hear the difference between my no t and the American no t.
Soften with a pronounced t sounds odd. Can't think I've encountered it.