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Title: Fitness 2022 thread.
Post by: mongers on January 02, 2022, 10:49:13 AM
Just for a laugh I thought I'd start one.

Me?, I ain't doing nothing. :bowler:


edit:
Well I gave in and went for a long afternoon walk into the next county, Dorset; a round trip all of 0.98 miles. :bowler:
Title: Re: Fitness 2022 thread.
Post by: 11B4V on January 02, 2022, 05:03:27 PM
Always doing something
Title: Re: Fitness 2022 thread.
Post by: mongers on January 02, 2022, 06:21:39 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on January 02, 2022, 05:03:27 PM
Always doing something

:thumbsup:

Happen to buy a 12.75kg bag of birdseed the other day and carried it in a rucksac on the bus home, quite a weight; then it occurred to me today, I used to be able to shoulder a sac 50% more than that for 25-30 miles a day and for multiple following days; whatever happened?  :(
Title: Re: Fitness 2022 thread.
Post by: alfred russel on January 03, 2022, 07:15:11 PM
It is hard to break your body back into something in one day...carry the same weight a few days in a row and it will seem much easier than now.
Title: Re: Fitness 2022 thread.
Post by: Malthus on January 03, 2022, 07:58:46 PM
My household has taken great strides fitness-wise — not my doing, exactly!

My son has been working out a bit at the gym at school, and asked for some weights for Christmas - I decided to make it a combined present, and got a weight bench, squat rack, weights and dumbbells, all in advance of Christmas. Converted a room in the basement into a home gym.

So, for the last three weeks, we've been working out together - we spot for each other, etc. It helps a lot to work out with someone.

Hopefully this will continue and the stuff won't end up gathering dust. With gyms closing down again, having a home gym makes sense.
Title: Re: Fitness 2022 thread.
Post by: mongers on January 03, 2022, 08:25:42 PM
Quote from: Malthus on January 03, 2022, 07:58:46 PM
My household has taken great strides fitness-wise — not my doing, exactly!

My son has been working out a bit at the gym at school, and asked for some weights for Christmas - I decided to make it a combined present, and got a weight bench, squat rack, weights and dumbbells, all in advance of Christmas. Converted a room in the basement into a home gym.

So, for the last three weeks, we've been working out together - we spot for each other, etc. It helps a lot to work out with someone.

Hopefully this will continue and the stuff won't end up gathering dust. With gyms closing down again, having a home gym makes sense.

What excellent teamwork.  :)
Title: Re: Fitness 2022 thread.
Post by: crazy canuck on January 05, 2022, 12:54:51 PM
Gyms here are closed until the 18th.  It sucks for many reasons - but most of all I was looking forward to benching with the youngest CC boy - who is back for a couple of weeks and has become quite large and strong.  It will likely be my last chance to bench more than him with him present...  :D
Title: Re: Fitness 2022 thread.
Post by: Darth Wagtaros on January 05, 2022, 01:13:44 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 05, 2022, 12:54:51 PM
Gyms here are closed until the 18th.  It sucks for many reasons - but most of all I was looking forward to benching with the youngest CC boy - who is back for a couple of weeks and has become quite large and strong.  It will likely be my last chance to bench more than him with him present...  :D
Bench the couch at your house.
Title: Re: Fitness 2022 thread.
Post by: crazy canuck on January 05, 2022, 03:45:20 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on January 05, 2022, 01:13:44 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 05, 2022, 12:54:51 PM
Gyms here are closed until the 18th.  It sucks for many reasons - but most of all I was looking forward to benching with the youngest CC boy - who is back for a couple of weeks and has become quite large and strong.  It will likely be my last chance to bench more than him with him present...  :D
Bench the couch at your house.

Too light
Title: Re: Fitness 2022 thread.
Post by: 11B4V on January 05, 2022, 07:09:15 PM
Bands
Title: Re: Fitness 2022 thread.
Post by: Darth Wagtaros on January 05, 2022, 07:33:01 PM
Bench the couch with your whole family on it.
Title: Re: Fitness 2022 thread.
Post by: mongers on January 22, 2022, 03:19:55 PM
 :hmm:
Title: Re: Fitness 2022 thread.
Post by: crazy canuck on January 24, 2022, 03:04:43 PM
Gyms opened up again - but need to make an appointment to go 25 hours in advance.  Which is ok because there is not a great demand for the 5:30 am slot.

Lost some strength in the down time.  Two plates was a bit of a challenge on the bench.
Title: Re: Fitness 2022 thread.
Post by: 11B4V on January 24, 2022, 07:11:04 PM
Gyms and Movie Theaters give me the willies
Title: Re: Fitness 2022 thread.
Post by: Malthus on January 24, 2022, 08:28:41 PM
Home gym is the way to go, if you have the space.

Quite aside from COVID worries, it's so much better for me since I set it up.

I'm exercising much more regularly than when gyms were open. I can play my music loud as I like. Obviously not as big a range of equipment, but really I don't need that much. Bench for pressing, bar with a bunch of weights, squat rack, dumbbells.
Title: Re: Fitness 2022 thread.
Post by: mongers on April 03, 2022, 03:50:58 PM
been a quiet couple of months for myself and this thread also!

My excuse is I buggered up some muscles in my arm and shoulder, what's yours?
Title: Re: Fitness 2022 thread.
Post by: Josquius on April 03, 2022, 11:21:16 PM
Baby. Hard to get permission to go outside.
Title: Re: Fitness 2022 thread.
Post by: Eddie Teach on April 04, 2022, 12:00:18 AM
I don't wanna.
Title: Re: Fitness 2022 thread.
Post by: crazy canuck on April 04, 2022, 12:31:58 PM
Still working out, the guy who I benched with screwed up his shoulder so now I have no spotter.  So I don't push the weight too much.  Just go up to 245 for reps of 10.  Not sure what my max is now.  Deadlifts are doing well, but still don't want to push the weight too much. Shoulder press doing much better - had to get some new work shirts to fit the shoulders.  :)
Title: Re: Fitness 2022 thread.
Post by: Threviel on April 05, 2022, 12:23:05 AM
I dislocated my shoulder practicing turns when swimming. Hurt as hell and I haven't been able to really do anything for a month or so.
Title: Re: Fitness 2022 thread.
Post by: merithyn on April 05, 2022, 09:51:40 AM
I started a new medicine last October which has helped my weight loss tremendously. I'm down 22 pounds since the end of September. Only 8 pounds to go to hit my first goal, which is my pre-COVID weight. Then, another 10 after that. Hoping to lose the eight before my trip to Mexico with my daughter.

However, it (obviously) doesn't do anything for muscle development. Now that it's nice out, I'm planning to walk more. I also have kettle bells and a rowing machine that I'm planning to put to work soon. And I'm standing/walking in place at my desk more than I'm sitting. Baby steps... baby steps.
Title: Re: Fitness 2022 thread.
Post by: 11B4V on April 07, 2022, 09:02:41 PM
I'm down for a little while with a hamstring strain....shit.
Title: Re: Fitness 2022 thread.
Post by: Syt on April 26, 2022, 07:14:05 AM
Struggling to get a regular workout in. However, after topping at about 143kg last year ca. Dec 1st, I dropped under 130 for the first time in ages this morning. :)
Title: Re: Fitness 2022 thread.
Post by: Darth Wagtaros on April 28, 2022, 08:16:01 AM
Haven't gotten as much exercise lately. Wife was sick so I couldn't go out, then I got sick a few times and missed my workout and yoga classes, then other events came up blah blha blah.

My Yoga/HIIT class is tonight. HOpefully I won't throw up.

I have been walking a mile or two a day at least.
Title: Re: Fitness 2022 thread.
Post by: celedhring on May 11, 2022, 02:31:58 AM
I'd add myself to the injury list: I've had a bad knee that refuses to heal (strained ligaments), for months now. However, after getting a new doc and a new treatment, it seems to finally be getting better.

Since I had to dial down my lower body exercises these past months, I've kinda overdone upper body stuff, and I'm now lifting more than ever. I'm slowly ramping up lower body, though, since my knee is finally feeling stronger.
Title: Re: Fitness 2022 thread.
Post by: crazy canuck on May 11, 2022, 11:48:17 AM
Good news Cel.

I am really trying to focus on appropriate warm up, dynamic stretching etc to avoid injury.  I am also trying for personal bests a lot less now - I am happy with staying at this level for now.  Don't want to push it too much and risk injury.
Title: Re: Fitness 2022 thread.
Post by: celedhring on May 11, 2022, 12:24:25 PM
I do that, too, it was a bit of a freak injury after I slipped at home.
Title: Re: Fitness 2022 thread.
Post by: merithyn on May 12, 2022, 11:39:27 AM
I am 12.5 pounds away from my first goal weight; 17.5 pounds from my stretch goal. I'm down 22.8 pounds since September.

That's a lot of weight for someone my size, but honestly, I'm pretty happy (for the most part) with where I'm at. I definitely still have fat to lose, but I can feel bones where I couldn't before, and my muscles are pretty well defined.

Now, if this stupid heat wave would die so I could get back out to walk/run again.  <_<
Title: Re: Fitness 2022 thread.
Post by: Syt on May 12, 2022, 12:06:47 PM
:cheers:
Title: Re: Fitness 2022 thread.
Post by: celedhring on May 12, 2022, 12:12:29 PM
That's awesome, Meri.

I've gained weight since my injury, but fortunately not a whole lot. Still, I'm 5 kg above my post-pandemic target weight.

Title: Re: Fitness 2022 thread.
Post by: Syt on May 12, 2022, 12:32:32 PM
I've lost about 15kg since December (under 130kg! :w00t: ), but I've kinda leveled out in recent weeks out despite eating around 2000 kcal per day. <_<
Title: Re: Fitness 2022 thread.
Post by: merithyn on May 12, 2022, 12:49:27 PM
Quote from: Syt on May 12, 2022, 12:32:32 PMI've lost about 15kg since December (under 130kg! :w00t: ), but I've kinda leveled out in recent weeks out despite eating around 2000 kcal per day. <_<

Damn. My "maintain" calories are only 1500. :unsure:

Right now, I'm keeping to between 1000-1200/day.
Title: Re: Fitness 2022 thread.
Post by: Syt on May 12, 2022, 01:19:27 PM
According to this calculator, leading a sedentary lifestyle, I should require ca. 2600 to maintain, and 2100 to lose weight: https://www.healthline.com/health/fitness-exercise/how-many-calories-do-i-burn-a-day#calorie-calculator
Title: Re: Fitness 2022 thread.
Post by: merithyn on May 12, 2022, 01:30:29 PM
Quote from: Syt on May 12, 2022, 01:19:27 PMAccording to this calculator, leading a sedentary lifestyle, I should require ca. 2600 to maintain, and 2100 to lose weight: https://www.healthline.com/health/fitness-exercise/how-many-calories-do-i-burn-a-day#calorie-calculator

Not questioning your counts. Just jealous.

According to that website, maintain is 1533, lose is 1242, and lose fast is 1000. :(
Title: Re: Fitness 2022 thread.
Post by: Syt on May 12, 2022, 01:42:29 PM
:console:
Title: Re: Fitness 2022 thread.
Post by: merithyn on May 12, 2022, 01:50:43 PM
Heh. Sitting in the doctor's office right now for my leg, and he's sending me for a body fat scan.  :lol:
Title: Re: Fitness 2022 thread.
Post by: celedhring on May 12, 2022, 01:53:57 PM
According to that website my maintain calories are 3100  :P
Title: Re: Fitness 2022 thread.
Post by: merithyn on May 12, 2022, 02:48:57 PM
Quote from: celedhring on May 12, 2022, 01:53:57 PMAccording to that website my maintain calories are 3100  :P

 :blink:

I don't think I could eat that much in two days!
Title: Re: Fitness 2022 thread.
Post by: mongers on May 30, 2022, 02:57:38 PM
Done about 320 miles on the bikes this month vs about 32 miles walking. :hmm:
Title: Re: Fitness 2022 thread.
Post by: crazy canuck on May 30, 2022, 06:30:07 PM
Back up to 295 bench  :)
Title: Re: Fitness 2022 thread.
Post by: celedhring on June 01, 2022, 06:47:11 AM
I'm on 110 kg * 10 on bench, which is actually my all time max. I don't do that much bench because most of the time I don't have a spotter available.

Anyway, slowly getting strength back in my knee. So far, so good, I'm around 2/3 of my pre-injury maxs, for stuff involving the knee  :)
Title: Re: Fitness 2022 thread.
Post by: Maladict on June 06, 2022, 01:23:51 PM
Haven't posted in this thread for ages. Had a rough time last winter keeping up with exercise. I was pretty motivated during the first two lockdowns but the last one sucked.
Been doing well since then though, just finished two 50k walks back to back over the weekend, and I feel somewhat ready to take on another 8 day death march to Switzerland two weeks from now.
Title: Re: Fitness 2022 thread.
Post by: mongers on June 06, 2022, 02:31:08 PM
Quote from: Maladict on June 06, 2022, 01:23:51 PMHaven't posted in this thread for ages. Had a rough time last winter keeping up with exercise. I was pretty motivated during the first two lockdowns but the last one sucked.
Been doing well since then though, just finished two 50k walks back to back over the weekend, and I feel somewhat ready to take on another 8 day death march to Switzerland two weeks from now.

:cool:

Good grief Mal, that's some going; wish I could still do those sorts of distances.
Title: Re: Fitness 2022 thread.
Post by: celedhring on July 01, 2022, 06:13:26 AM
Finally slimmed down back to my pre-injury weight (which is still overweight, but a little less  :lol: ).

Title: Re: Fitness 2022 thread.
Post by: crazy canuck on July 01, 2022, 07:48:42 AM
 :cool:

Title: Re: Fitness 2022 thread.
Post by: mongers on August 08, 2022, 06:50:06 AM
:whistle:
Title: Re: Fitness 2022 thread.
Post by: mongers on August 26, 2022, 07:11:36 PM
Quote from: Maladict on June 06, 2022, 01:23:51 PMHaven't posted in this thread for ages. Had a rough time last winter keeping up with exercise. I was pretty motivated during the first two lockdowns but the last one sucked.
Been doing well since then though, just finished two 50k walks back to back over the weekend, and I feel somewhat ready to take on another 8 day death march to Switzerland two weeks from now.

Mal, how did you Swiss death-march go?
Title: Re: Fitness 2022 thread.
Post by: Threviel on August 27, 2022, 09:33:09 AM
Dieting during the summer has brought my BMI under 25 for the first time in many years. I'm at 77 kg right now, which is 5-7 kg above my ideal weight.

The swimming has also given results, today I graduated to a more advanced group for the swimming club's Saturday training, where all adults swim together. I'm no longer in the beginner/low effort group but in the exercise group for those that can swim and only do it for exercise. Today that meant 3.5 km instead of 2.7.

I'm probably in the best form of my life right now, having previously mostly been lazy and fat.
Title: Re: Fitness 2022 thread.
Post by: Valmy on August 27, 2022, 10:08:36 AM
I spent a few months on my father's bedside as he died last year and I gained weight and unfortunately my a1c went up again so I took my health pretty seriously this year. I joined the gym that opened across the street from my house and hired a nutritionist. It's worked out really well, I have lost 40 lbs (from 215 lbs/97.5 kg to 175 lbs/79.4 kg) though I won't get my next a1c test until October. I have reached that unlikely American status of no longer being overweight according to the holy BMI. All glory to the BMI!

So now I have to stop losing weight but not gain weight. A needle I have found very hard to thread in my life  :lol:
Title: Re: Fitness 2022 thread.
Post by: celedhring on August 27, 2022, 10:24:12 AM
Since I began recovering from my knee injury I've lost 5 kg. I'm currently at 103 Kg, which is usually my wall every time I try to lose weight.

It seems a lot given that I'm only 183cm tall, but I have a massive frame and carry a lot of muscle mass (last time I had a six pack I weighed 94 kg). Still, I'd love to get under 100 Kg.
Title: Re: Fitness 2022 thread.
Post by: mongers on August 27, 2022, 11:24:56 AM
Quote from: Threviel on August 27, 2022, 09:33:09 AMDieting during the summer has brought my BMI under 25 for the first time in many years. I'm at 77 kg right now, which is 5-7 kg above my ideal weight.

The swimming has also given results, today I graduated to a more advanced group for the swimming club's Saturday training, where all adults swim together. I'm no longer in the beginner/low effort group but in the exercise group for those that can swim and only do it for exercise. Today that meant 3.5 km instead of 2.7.

I'm probably in the best form of my life right now, having previously mostly been lazy and fat.

:cool:

The more so with the swimming, I need to do something like that, as my swimming is pitiful :blush:
Title: Re: Fitness 2022 thread.
Post by: mongers on August 27, 2022, 11:26:08 AM
Quote from: Valmy on August 27, 2022, 10:08:36 AMI spent a few months on my father's bedside as he died last year and I gained weight and unfortunately my a1c went up again so I took my health pretty seriously this year. I joined the gym that opened across the street from my house and hired a nutritionist. It's worked out really well, I have lost 40 lbs (from 215 lbs/97.5 kg to 175 lbs/79.4 kg) though I won't get my next a1c test until October. I have reached that unlikely American status of no longer being overweight according to the holy BMI. All glory to the BMI!

So now I have to stop losing weight but not gain weight. A needle I have found very hard to thread in my life  :lol:

That's rather impressive, especially so during such trying times.
Title: Re: Fitness 2022 thread.
Post by: Crazy_Ivan80 on August 27, 2022, 11:49:25 AM
managed about 5kg since the start of the year. About 5 more to go at least. Getting below 80 would be nice (especially for the back)
Title: Re: Fitness 2022 thread.
Post by: celedhring on August 27, 2022, 11:52:52 AM
Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on August 27, 2022, 11:49:25 AMmanaged about 5kg since the start of the year. About 5 more to go at least. Getting below 80 would be nice (especially for the back)

Yeah, losing some weight made such a difference for my back. I was at 120 Kg 6-7 years ago, and I had a shitload of back issues. They all went away after my doctor made me lose 10 Kg at gunpoint.
Title: Re: Fitness 2022 thread.
Post by: Crazy_Ivan80 on August 27, 2022, 03:28:24 PM
Quote from: celedhring on August 27, 2022, 11:52:52 AM
Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on August 27, 2022, 11:49:25 AMmanaged about 5kg since the start of the year. About 5 more to go at least. Getting below 80 would be nice (especially for the back)

Yeah, losing some weight made such a difference for my back. I was at 120 Kg 6-7 years ago, and I had a shitload of back issues. They all went away after my doctor made me lose 10 Kg at gunpoint.

yeah, preach it!
The scar on my back (from a double hernia 20 years ago) is a constant reminder not to expand too much... And the last quarter of last year was a bit too much expansion  :(
Title: Re: Fitness 2022 thread.
Post by: Maladict on August 28, 2022, 08:11:02 AM
Quote from: mongers on August 26, 2022, 07:11:36 PM
Quote from: Maladict on June 06, 2022, 01:23:51 PMHaven't posted in this thread for ages. Had a rough time last winter keeping up with exercise. I was pretty motivated during the first two lockdowns but the last one sucked.
Been doing well since then though, just finished two 50k walks back to back over the weekend, and I feel somewhat ready to take on another 8 day death march to Switzerland two weeks from now.

Mal, how did you Swiss death-march go?

It was pretty good. The Black Forest is so beautiful, so absolutely lush even in this dry season. Unexpectedly the best moment came later, in the seemingly less interesting part leading to Lake Constance.
I climbed a nondescript hill with a wooded crest, before entering it looking back for one last look at the Black Forest in the distance. There was a short, straight path leading through the wood, like a tunnel to the other side of the hill. And there the ground fell away, opening to the most beautiful panorama I've ever seen. Rolling hills with early morning fog hanging inbetween, a couple of jagged volcanic plugs sticking out. The fields a golden yellow and a clear blue sky. And all along the horizon, out of nowhere, the Alps.
I must have stood there for almost an hour, just taking it in. No sounds except birdsong, no visible movement apart from a zeppelin slowly gliding in front of the mountains.

I took a rest day in Constance to check out the town and take a boat trip across the lake to see Meersburg and the Zeppelin museum in Friedrichshafen.
Then I crossed into Switzerland at the break of dawn, a forced march to Sankt Gallen to get to the wonderful Abbey library before it closed. It had been hot and humid for days, thunderstorms forecast never materialised.
The next day was going to be the big one, 35k with a 1800 meter mountain at the end, sleeping at the top and going down the next day.
It was very hot and humid again, very bad thunderstorms forecast but not a sign of it until I got nearer the mountain. At the last town I started asking locals for advice, they all firmly said don't do it. Under clear blue skies I cancelled the greatest leg of the trip and found a route around the mountain. Good thing I did, clouds started appearing shortly after, and in the end I half ran down the lower pass to stay ahead of near-black thunderclouds. I would have been stuck halfway up the mountain in a terrible thunderstorm, with real risk of hypothermia. Sobering thoughts all around.
Low clouds obscured all scenery the entire next day and it rained nonstop. Even if I'd made it up the mountain I would have been holed up there for at least a day. I stuck to the valley and my rain gear held out fairly well.
 
The last day from Vaduz to Chur was a 42k slog along the Rhine with one steep ascent and descent. Halfway down part of the path had been swept away by what looked like a very recent landslide. I probably should have turned back, but couldn't handle the thought of an additional 5 to 10k and crawled across on all fours.
I'm disappointed not to have gotten real mountain experience, which I'll badly need crossing the Alps next year. But once again it was a pretty epic trip.


Title: Re: Fitness 2022 thread.
Post by: mongers on August 28, 2022, 09:18:06 AM
Quote from: Maladict on August 28, 2022, 08:11:02 AM
Quote from: mongers on August 26, 2022, 07:11:36 PM
Quote from: Maladict on June 06, 2022, 01:23:51 PMHaven't posted in this thread for ages. Had a rough time last winter keeping up with exercise. I was pretty motivated during the first two lockdowns but the last one sucked.
Been doing well since then though, just finished two 50k walks back to back over the weekend, and I feel somewhat ready to take on another 8 day death march to Switzerland two weeks from now.

Mal, how did you Swiss death-march go?

It was pretty good. The Black Forest is so beautiful, so absolutely lush even in this dry season. Unexpectedly the best moment came later, in the seemingly less interesting part leading to Lake Constance.
I climbed a nondescript hill with a wooded crest, before entering it looking back for one last look at the Black Forest in the distance. There was a short, straight path leading through the wood, like a tunnel to the other side of the hill. And there the ground fell away, opening to the most beautiful panorama I've ever seen. Rolling hills with early morning fog hanging inbetween, a couple of jagged volcanic plugs sticking out. The fields a golden yellow and a clear blue sky. And all along the horizon, out of nowhere, the Alps.
I must have stood there for almost an hour, just taking it in. No sounds except birdsong, no visible movement apart from a zeppelin slowly gliding in front of the mountains.

I took a rest day in Constance to check out the town and take a boat trip across the lake to see Meersburg and the Zeppelin museum in Friedrichshafen.
Then I crossed into Switzerland at the break of dawn, a forced march to Sankt Gallen to get to the wonderful Abbey library before it closed. It had been hot and humid for days, thunderstorms forecast never materialised.
The next day was going to be the big one, 35k with a 1800 meter mountain at the end, sleeping at the top and going down the next day.
It was very hot and humid again, very bad thunderstorms forecast but not a sign of it until I got nearer the mountain. At the last town I started asking locals for advice, they all firmly said don't do it. Under clear blue skies I cancelled the greatest leg of the trip and found a route around the mountain. Good thing I did, clouds started appearing shortly after, and in the end I half ran down the lower pass to stay ahead of near-black thunderclouds. I would have been stuck halfway up the mountain in a terrible thunderstorm, with real risk of hypothermia. Sobering thoughts all around.
Low clouds obscured all scenery the entire next day and it rained nonstop. Even if I'd made it up the mountain I would have been holed up there for at least a day. I stuck to the valley and my rain gear held out fairly well.
 
The last day from Vaduz to Chur was a 42k slog along the Rhine with one steep ascent and descent. Halfway down part of the path had been swept away by what looked like a very recent landslide. I probably should have turned back, but couldn't handle the thought of an additional 5 to 10k and crawled across on all fours.
I'm disappointed not to have gotten real mountain experience, which I'll badly need crossing the Alps next year. But once again it was a pretty epic trip.

Thank you Mal, a beautifully described epic journey; I think I've found some inspiration from it. :cheers:
Title: Re: Fitness 2022 thread.
Post by: Maladict on August 29, 2022, 01:41:30 PM
Quote from: mongers on August 28, 2022, 09:18:06 AMI think I've found some inspiration from it. :cheers:

:cheers:

We need all the help we can get in this thread  :lol: