A Gamespot sneek peek:
QuoteMassively multiplayer games: the final frontier, where your make-believe characters go on adventures in a persistent online world, beating rats over the head with a rusty dagger in the hopes of one day gaining an experience level, which will one day make them strong enough to fight larger rats. Or, maybe not anymore. Developer Cryptic Studios is working on a new online game that will go in a completely different direction, a game based on the Star Trek universe where you'll not only touch down onto different planets on foot to explore strange new worlds and seek out new life and new civilizations, but will also be captain of your own starship and explore the reaches of space, engaging in starship dogfights with hostile aliens and space pirates. And since we have the exclusive first look at the game, you could say we've boldly gone where no one has gone before. (Sorry, we couldn't resist.)
Star Trek Online is currently in development at California-based Cryptic Studios, a team of developers who are working in tandem with CBS, the current license holder of the Star Trek franchise. The game will apparently be set in the year 2409, some 30 years after the events in the motion picture Star Trek Nemesis--which means that most characters with normal human life spans probably won't be sticking around. However, you can expect to see plenty of authentic Star Trek content in the game, since the development studio is working closely with the license holder. Yes, the United Federation of Planets (better known simply as "the Federation") will be in the game. Yes, the Klingons will be in the game. Yes, you will visit planets by beaming down to them and will carry a phaser on your belt. And yes, you will travel the galaxy at warp speed and fire photon torpedoes at enemy ships.
The stage in Star Trek Online is set for intergalactic war since the Khitomer Accords--an uneasy peace agreement between the Federation and the Klingons--have been broken. As a result, you can play as either a Federation character or a cadet in the Klingon Defense Force, working your way up through the military ranks of either side. Playing as the Klingons will definitely be a different experience than playing as the Federation, though the exact details of the Klingon experience have not yet been revealed. And according to the game's overarching story, even though the war between the two factions has begun in earnest, a "dark, ancient threat" has returned to the Alpha Quadrant (the home sector of the Federation), and players from both factions will find themselves at odds with this mysterious new adversary. (Who could it possibly be, we wonder?)
Apparently, there will be a bit more to creating a new character than just choosing starting clothes and how big your character's eyebrows will be. All-new characters will be able to choose from an array of low-ranking starter ships to command and will choose a bridge officer and crew. Your bridge officer will be a computer-controlled character--not unlike a "pet" in other massively multiplayer games--and will, like your character, gain experience levels and new items over the course of your career.
When you decide to beam down, it will always be in an away team of five characters--yourself and any combination of up to four computer-controlled crew members and/or up to four other player characters. Depending on the mission, you may wish to vary your away-team composition to include officers with different specialties, such as field medicine, tactical operations, or engineering (though there's no word yet on whether computer-controlled crew members will all wear red shirts).
And for your own character, and your crew, the game will offer what executive producer Craig Zinkievich refers to as "total customization" for each character, including each one's appearance and away-team equipment. This isn't surprising coming from a studio that made a name for itself with the powerful character customization tools of City of Heroes. Among other options, you'll be able to create characters from such races as humans, Vulcans (the race of Mr. Spock's father), Bajorans (the race to which Major Kira Nerys from the Deep Space Nine TV show belonged), Klingons, and Gorn (a race of tall, lizardlike humanoids--William Shatner's Captain Kirk character grappled with one in the original Star Trek episode "Arena"). To make allowances for the fact that the universe is indeed enormous and that other, undiscovered life-forms exist somewhere out there, the game will also feature an "alien race creator" tool that will let you create your own alien species to which your character can belong.
Zinkievich suggests that at present, the game is planned to offer an "even split" between away-team exploration and interstellar starship exploration--the latter includes the game's tactical, real-time starship combat system. We actually had a chance to witness an early version of the starship combat in motion, which the executive producer likened to battle between tall ships during the Age of Sail. Just like how sea captains of that era chose different types of cannon shot to damage an enemy vessel's hull or sails, you can use different weapon types in Star Trek Online, such as a continuous and withering stream of phaser fire to eat away at energy shields, or a salvo of photon torpedoes to tear up your foe's exposed hull.
In practice, Star Trek Online's combat engine currently does seem to keep that kind of naval pace, with elements of the traditional 2D movement of a massively multiplayer game (using the W, A, S, and D keys to move) and even traces of the Super Melee mode of the classic Star Control II. Cryptic is apparently attempting to build in a strategic preparation aspect to ship combat. That is, the best way to come out ahead in battle is to prepare beforehand, ideally with some advance recon on your enemies, including what kinds of weapons they have access to. Your preparation will include choosing the proper crew, equipping the appropriate weapons, and installing the proper shields.
The battle we watched took place at the tail end of an exploration mission for a Federation convoy (or, to be more precise, three Cryptic employees adventuring as a group, each controlling his own ship) exploring the reaches of space, which is full of star systems, asteroid belts, beautifully colorful nebulas, and, in this case, angry alien pirates--namely Orion smugglers who were grumpy enough at being discovered that they warmed up their photon torpedo bays for us. Though space combat will clearly be a big part of what you do in Star Trek Online's outer-space zones, the game will, according to Zinkievich, also include plenty of other things to do in space that will reward exploration and following the game's overarching story. The reaches of space will offer both procedurally generated spaces as well as hand-built, story-specific areas that are built around quests.
In combat, your ships can pitch to port or starboard while you hit the throttle to move in different directions, though once you sight the enemy, it will also be important to carefully manage your ship's power supply. You can route power to your ships' engines, weapons, or shields, the latter of which are currently represented as transparent, colored arcs surrounding your ship's bow, stern, and two sides. In the current version of the game, shields appear green when at full power and undamaged, and when you begin to take fire to your shields, they'll change color to yellow, then red, and then will finally give way to nothing and your ship will begin taking direct damage to its hull. Space combat so far, at least with the ship classes we've seen in action, seems to be a matter of jousting with enemy ships, making daring strafing runs in range of your foes while tossing out salvos of torpedos and phaser blasts, carefully keeping an eye on your own shields to ensure your own ship doesn't get incinerated, and rerouting power to specific shields if you happen to be taking heavy fire from a certain quarter, though if you aren't currently taking fire, your ship will automatically recover from hull damage at a rate that depends on your character's and crew's race, experience levels, and engineering levels.
The early version of the game we watched had a rudimentary interface that showed the ship's current hull and ship strength and throttle levels, as well as a bank of hotkeys to trigger special abilities. These will include things like a crew repair skill to address severe damage, maneuvering boosts that temporarily increase your ship's speed or enhance your turning radius, and even tractor beams to drag in your enemies for the kill. Presumably, your captain will be able to acquire various technical goodies, as well as character- and crew-based skills that can be set to hotkeyed abilities in space. Oh, and one other thing about space combat: When you destroy an enemy in space, think twice about that triumphant flyby, since the final explosion will bake your ship with additional splash damage if you get too close.
While we weren't able to see on-foot gameplay in action, we did get some additional details on Star Trek Online's world and how the game experience will change as players become more accomplished officers. Like City of Heroes, Star Trek Online will offer many ways for you to find and get into the action. As a Federation officer, you may receive standard quests from the Federation, or you can call into Federation radio space for additional missions if your plate is clear, and you'll also be able to find new missions while exploring space, such as responding to distress signals. You may also decide to spend some time harvesting resources, and for the true explorers, Cryptic apparently even has plans to include some sort of achievement badge system to reward those who truly set out on a mission of discovery.
However, there will be a much more important sign of your characters' progress: the size of their fleets. And as you gain more experience and more prestige as a military officer, you'll be able to amass a hangar of different ships of varying sizes and classes to perform different roles, such as heavier combat escort ships that can quickly deal heavy damage, or science ships for exploration and analysis. We're told you'll also see appearances from canonical spacecraft, including Miranda-class ships like the USS Reliant from Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, and we assume the game will also have Constitution-class ships like the most famous Star Trek ship of all, the Enterprise.
And fortunately, though the universe will be divided into individual sectors, you'll be able to travel the vast reaches of space through some form of quick travel by using a star map. Because it will be such a big place, it will have various types of currency that may include replicator credits, transporter credits, and the prized currency of the greedy Ferengi race, gold-pressed latinum. At later stages, it will also offer high-end "raid" content for advanced players--Zinkievich suggests that you may be tasked with thwarting a large-scale Borg invasion, for instance. (Yes, the Borg will be in the game, as will the Romulans.) More-competitive players will also eventually get to butt heads, and phasers, in high-end player-versus-player faction battles that will let high-ranking Federation and Klingon players vie for control of contested star systems, for sector-specific bonuses. In the meantime, Cryptic expects to implement the sort of social options you'd expect from a massively multiplayer game, such as "fleets," which are long-standing associations of players that act the way player guilds do in other games. The developer also plans to implement some form of "sidekicking," the game mechanic it developed for City of Heroes, which lets players of different experience levels play with one another by temporarily evening out the level difference.
We've waited a long time to see Star Trek Online with our own eyes, and what we've seen so far looks promising indeed. However, there's still a lot more that we have yet to see and experience ourselves, such as on-foot content and higher-end player-versus-player stuff, but since the game is already in an internal beta state at Cryptic's offices, hopefully this won't be too far away. In the meantime, anyone with any interest in Star Trek or just looking for a fresh new take on massively multiplayer games should keep an eye out for more updates on the game as they appear on GameSpot.
I really hope it's good. :)
This will suck. it should be about multiple players per ship, lots players per big ship or starbase actually with instanced quests. Not this BS.
Change is good. Anything is better than some trying to be WoW 4.0
Will it let PCs wear red shirts?
Now, I could pay to annoy Trekkies.
Quote from: Tamas on May 16, 2009, 10:01:31 AM
This will suck. it should be about multiple players per ship, lots players per big ship or starbase actually with instanced quests. Not this BS.
:thumbsup:
Quote from: Tamas on May 16, 2009, 10:01:31 AM
This will suck. it should be about multiple players per ship, lots players per big ship or starbase actually with instanced quests. Not this BS.
Forcing player cooperation in MMO's is generally a losing strategy (look at how many people solo WoW the vast majority of the time), forcing it among trekkies would be outright disastrous. Everyone wants their own ship, not giving everyone their own ship would significantly cut into the play base.
Of course, since it's a fee-based MMO, it'll suck anyway.
It isn't about forcing people it is about allowing and encouraging cooperation. Besides a MMORPG that involves running a ship and sending portions of the crew to planets is just begging for multiple players to be involved. As is it went from a game focused on people to a game focused on ships. Sounds like ship to ship battle will feel like an older arcade game then a new cutting edge MMORPG. <_<
Quote from: JacobL on May 16, 2009, 01:52:02 PM
It isn't about forcing people it is about allowing and encouraging cooperation. Besides a MMORPG that involves running a ship and sending portions of the crew to planets is just begging for multiple players to be involved. As is it went from a game focused on people to a game focused on ships. Sounds like ship to ship battle will feel like an older arcade game then a new cutting edge MMORPG. <_<
:yes:
Quote from: JacobL on May 16, 2009, 01:52:02 PMSounds like ship to ship battle will feel like an older arcade game then a new cutting edge MMORPG. <_<
Considering it's still in initial in-house beta, that's pretty prejudicial, doncha think?
Quote from: JacobL on May 16, 2009, 01:52:02 PM
It isn't about forcing people it is about allowing and encouraging cooperation. Besides a MMORPG that involves running a ship and sending portions of the crew to planets is just begging for multiple players to be involved. As is it went from a game focused on people to a game focused on ships. Sounds like ship to ship battle will feel like an older arcade game then a new cutting edge MMORPG. <_<
:yeah:
If they made the ship to ship battles feel like SFB I'd actually be sorely tempted, but probably no one else would play. :D
Quote from: vinraith on May 16, 2009, 03:01:25 PM
If they made the ship to ship battles feel like SFB I'd actually be sorely tempted, but probably no one else would play. :D
Oooo! I'll take a D-7C with fast drones.
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 16, 2009, 03:20:08 PM
Quote from: vinraith on May 16, 2009, 03:01:25 PM
If they made the ship to ship battles feel like SFB I'd actually be sorely tempted, but probably no one else would play. :D
Oooo! I'll take a D-7C with fast drones.
There's a reason that SFC2: Orion Pirates is still installed on both my laptop and my desktop.
Oh, and I'll see your D-7C and raise you a D-6D, because you can never have too many drones.
My Star Fleet Command discs disappeared during my moves. Except SFC 3. <_<
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 16, 2009, 03:39:05 PM
My Star Fleet Command discs disappeared during my moves. Except SFC 3. <_<
That sucks. For what it's worth, if you can find Orion Pirates you don't actually need SFC 2 at all, there's a mod that runs all the SFC2 content under the Orion Pirates .exe.
Each player gets to create their own "pet"-like crew and away-teams?
I foresee most of Star Fleet being made up of guys with all-female crews composed of giant-breasted Vulcans.
I still have my First Starfleet command disc. Just double checked and found it.
Quote from: Tonitrus on May 16, 2009, 07:45:17 PM
Each player gets to create their own "pet"-like crew and away-teams?
I foresee most of Star Fleet being made up of guys with all-female crews composed of giant-breasted Vulcans.
Surely Trekkies are not like that.
Are they? :unsure:
Quote from: Seen on May 17, 2009, 06:08:44 AM
Quote from: Tonitrus on May 16, 2009, 07:45:17 PM
Each player gets to create their own "pet"-like crew and away-teams?
I foresee most of Star Fleet being made up of guys with all-female crews composed of giant-breasted Vulcans.
Surely Trekkies are not like that.
Are they? :unsure:
You don't know any Trekkies, do you? :P
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 17, 2009, 06:13:17 AM
Quote from: Seen on May 17, 2009, 06:08:44 AM
Quote from: Tonitrus on May 16, 2009, 07:45:17 PM
Each player gets to create their own "pet"-like crew and away-teams?
I foresee most of Star Fleet being made up of guys with all-female crews composed of giant-breasted Vulcans.
Surely Trekkies are not like that.
Are they? :unsure:
You don't know any Trekkies, do you? :P
:whistle:
:blush:
Quote from: vinraith on May 16, 2009, 03:01:25 PM
If they made the ship to ship battles feel like SFB I'd actually be sorely tempted, but probably no one else would play. :D
have it as it was in Bridge Commander. Much more accessible and you still need a sense of strategy as you cycle through your shields while keeping as many phasor banks to the enemy as possible.
I plan on getting this game. I also plan on naming my ship the U.S.S. Robert E. Lee, crewed by an all-White, all-Southern crew.
These are the voyages of the starship Bobby Lee
it's continuing mission: To explore strange new worlds,
to seek out new life and new civilizations,
and enslave all the nigger aliens and make them pick cotton
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 16, 2009, 01:05:35 PM
Now, I could pay to annoy Trekkies.
United Federation of Griefers
Quote from: FunkMonk on May 17, 2009, 09:23:00 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 16, 2009, 01:05:35 PM
Now, I could pay to annoy Trekkies.
United Federation of Griefers
it's called Goonswarm / BoB (depending for who you're rooting) :p
Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on May 18, 2009, 08:00:44 AM
Quote from: FunkMonk on May 17, 2009, 09:23:00 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 16, 2009, 01:05:35 PM
Now, I could pay to annoy Trekkies.
United Federation of Griefers
it's called Goonswarm / BoB (depending for who you're rooting) :p
We've made too many compromises already; too many retreats. They invade our space and we fall back. They grief entire corps and we fall back. Not again. The line must be drawn here! This far, no further! And *I* will make them pay for what they've done.
Quote from: FunkMonk on May 18, 2009, 05:42:09 PM
We've made too many compromises already; too many retreats. They invade our space and we fall back. They grief entire corps and we fall back. Not again. The line must be drawn here! This far, no further! And *I* will make them pay for what they've done.
:D
Everybody griefed deserved it.
Quote from: Tamas on May 16, 2009, 10:01:31 AM
This will suck. it should be about multiple players per ship, lots players per big ship or starbase actually with instanced quests. Not this BS.
sounds likes it's Star Fleet Battles Online. its not BS, but its just one element of Star Trek.
I imagine a planet-exploring RPG would also alienate a given amount of potential MMP-ers.
I don't get you guys. This will suck sweaty gorilla balls and its written all over it. Not because it will be different from the WoW clones, but because IT WILL BE a WoW clone. Its so obvious it hurts.
Well I for one hope that it's great, although I expect it won't be. :)
And I for one would have no interest in playing Redshirt #3 on some Federation starship whose captain is some 19 year old university dropout. Gimme my own damn ship thank you very much.
Hell, I would be all for the "characters" in the game being the ships themselves, with the crew being one of the many attributes that can be upgraded, like a skill.
Quest #4354.5: Collect 25 Cardassian Gas Polarity Modules from the Gamma Quadrant. Bring friends.
Reward: Science Officer 3rd Class Bob!
Quote from: Barrister on May 22, 2009, 10:30:55 AM
And I for one would have no interest in playing Redshirt #3 on some Federation starship whose captain is some 19 year old university dropout. Gimme my own damn ship thank you very much.
Well since you've played WoW you should be used to that sort of thing by now. I assume you've been in a guild. :)
Quote from: Barrister on May 22, 2009, 10:30:55 AM
Well I for one hope that it's great, although I expect it won't be. :)
And I for one would have no interest in playing Redshirt #3 on some Federation starship whose captain is some 19 year old university dropout. Gimme my own damn ship thank you very much.
sure. but the federation could be controlled by a cabal of 14 year old girls who'll order your starship to be painted pink.
if your playing MMORPG's, your game-mates are essentially random. I guess you can inoculate yourself by forming guilds, and ignoring the rest of them, but then that raises the question: why be massive?
Quote from: saskganesh on May 22, 2009, 08:00:33 PM
Quote from: Barrister on May 22, 2009, 10:30:55 AM
Well I for one hope that it's great, although I expect it won't be. :)
And I for one would have no interest in playing Redshirt #3 on some Federation starship whose captain is some 19 year old university dropout. Gimme my own damn ship thank you very much.
sure. but the federation could be controlled by a cabal of 14 year old girls who'll order your starship to be painted pink.
if your playing MMORPG's, your game-mates are essentially random. I guess you can inoculate yourself by forming guilds, and ignoring the rest of them, but then that raises the question: why be massive?
And the Federation will essentially be a bunch of guilds/gangs, like all other MMORPGS.
"d00d, i ned halp aginst the r0mulans, halp!"
"no wai, joo ganked my gorn batlecruser last nite,, fu"
Quote from: Berkut on May 22, 2009, 10:34:30 AM
Hell, I would be all for the "characters" in the game being the ships themselves, with the crew being one of the many attributes that can be upgraded, like a skill.
Quest #4354.5: Collect 25 Cardassian Gas Polarity Modules from the Gamma Quadrant. Bring friends.
Reward: Science Officer 3rd Class Bob!
that would not be a bad way to go about it.
It is indeed bad sounding but MMORPGs aren't great anyway.
A game where people crew the ship and go to planets on missions and stuff...That would be much better as a single player game.
Quote from: Berkut on May 22, 2009, 10:34:30 AM
Hell, I would be all for the "characters" in the game being the ships themselves, with the crew being one of the many attributes that can be upgraded, like a skill.
Quest #4354.5: Collect 25 Cardassian Gas Polarity Modules from the Gamma Quadrant. Bring friends.
Reward: Science Officer 3rd Class Bob!
That would be cool.
The Space Network has been running some old Star Trek movies, so I thought I'd check on the progress of Star Trek: Online.
Apparently it goes live February 2nd.
Doesn't seem like a very long development time, and search I couldn't find any full in-game screenshots. But still they're taking pre-orders on Steam.
Man I hope against all reason that this doesn't suck.
Yeah I am not re-subbing to any MMO until some initial impressions on this come in, but it will probably suck.
Quote from: Barrister on December 28, 2009, 12:58:57 AM
Doesn't seem like a very long development time, and search I couldn't find any full in-game screenshots. But still they're taking pre-orders on Steam.
Man I hope against all reason that this doesn't suck.
Well, shit. That's never a good sign. No beta shots, no convention interviews, no press.
It's gonna suck.
Isn't it from the same team/devs/publisher/whatever who brought out Champions Online last year? That game left me rather: meh. :mellow:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 28, 2009, 05:26:56 AM
Quote from: Barrister on December 28, 2009, 12:58:57 AM
Doesn't seem like a very long development time, and search I couldn't find any full in-game screenshots. But still they're taking pre-orders on Steam.
Man I hope against all reason that this doesn't suck.
Well, shit. That's never a good sign. No beta shots, no convention interviews, no press.
It's gonna suck.
Yeah, the hype machine should be whirling at full speed already.
I find it weird to see Klingons enemies of the Federation at that later timeperiod. Wouldn't have been more sensible to place Romulans and Cardassians as enemies? Or at least a three faction war among the humans, romulans and klingons? With the ferengi as a trading race and the Borg as an enemy that forces the three sides to cooperate...
And Tamas is right. A Star Trek MMORPG should be about team exploration, team warfare etc... Ok, let the players solo but favor through game machanics the ones that prefer to join a starship vessel. Who wouldn't want to be Wesley Crusher? :rolleyes:
Yeah however, sadly, and very ironically, team-based MMOs fail. Vanguard tried to force team content heavily and it sunk it, Warhammer is dying despite having done the teamplay aspect way, way better than Vanguard.
This game is going to be great.
If all else fails and it does suck, we can just go around the sun quick and tell the developers what they needed to do 6 months ago.
Been looking online. While I still have the same reservations I had as before, there's no chance I won't be buying this. :blush:
The open beta with pre-order starts January 12th.
And if I spend an extra $10 on the Atari Deluxe Digital Download, you get such extras as:
QuoteTOS Uniform Set (in-game item): 3 Uniforms from the Original series (blue, red, yellow)
Joined Trill: Play as a Joined Trill. Joined Trill come with a symbiote that grants you several lifetimes of experience. The "Joined" species trait grants you a bonus to 5 skills.
Exclusive "KHAAAN!" Emote (in-game item): An unforgettable moment from the second Star Trek Film. This exclusive emote allows players to relive Kirk's unforgettable moment of fury, with the timeless cry... "KHAAAN!"
Exclusive Klingon Blood Wine Toast Emote (in-game item): Raise a glass like a Klingon! Greet and interact with other players with an exclusive Klingon gesture -the blood wine toast.
Unique Registry Prefix (in-game item): Give your ship the coveted NX prefix, seen only on a handful of elite Starfleet vessels like the Defiant, 22nd century Enterprise, and Prometheus."
Unique Ship Item (in-game item): - Automated Defense Battery. This Tactical Module that grants any ship a passive 360 arc attack power with a short range.
:nerd:
I'm holding off till the Star Wars MMO comes out. -_-
I'm going to play & It's going to be awesome.
Altho, I have no intention to pre-order, I'll wait for the January 16th Open Beta.
People of the No Screenshot or Video crowd :
Did you not look on IGN's website?
http://media.pc.ign.com/media/142/14270158/vids_1.html
Quote from: Grey Fox on December 28, 2009, 01:00:17 PM
People of the No Screenshot or Video crowd :
Did you not look on IGN's website?
http://media.pc.ign.com/media/142/14270158/vids_1.html
There are lots of screenshots and video, but non appear to be 'true' screenshots - that is screenshots just as it would appear if you were playing.
The Star Trek game I want is a multiplayer, 64 person, simulator. Option of more than 2 sides and multiple solar systems. Ships could be commanded by a single person, but preferably by a small crew. You'd fight it out to accomplish your mission objectives, optionally as part of a larger campaign.
As I mentioned months before, it sounds very boring to me to play, say, the medical officer and be stuck in sick bay while other players are doing away missions or what not.
I think I like the model they've gone with. You play a ship's captain, but you have persistent Bridge Officers who can gain experience and skills with you. To put it in WoW terms it's as if every player is a hunter and can have multiple pets out at the same time.
Quote from: Syt on December 28, 2009, 12:44:06 PM
I'm holding off till the Star Wars MMO comes out. -_-
You're looking forward to more grinding? :hmm:
EDIT: More grinding *and* 72900000 jedis/siths
G.
Don't bring WOW references in here please, thanks.
Quote from: Alcibiades on December 28, 2009, 02:11:41 PM
Don't bring WOW references in here please, thanks.
WoW is everywhere, one cannot escape it.
Quote from: Grallon on December 28, 2009, 02:11:38 PM
Quote from: Syt on December 28, 2009, 12:44:06 PM
I'm holding off till the Star Wars MMO comes out. -_-
You're looking forward to more grinding? :hmm:
EDIT: More grinding *and* 72900000 jedis/siths
G.
You're forgetting 70000000 bounty hunters. ;)
Classes are:
Trooper, smuggler, jedi knight, jedi consular (Republic)
Bounty Hunter, Sith warrior, Imperial agent, Sith inquisitor (Sith)
http://www.swtor.com/info/holonet/classes
Old Republic doesn't look like it's going to be ready anytime soon tho.
Quote from: Grey Fox on December 28, 2009, 02:44:18 PM
Old Republic doesn't look like it's going to be ready anytime soon tho.
Probably not. OTOH Bioware doesn't have a reputation of pushing out half finished products.
Already pre-ordered this past week :nerd:
:nerd:
Any info on how many servers there will be?
As usual, we should all atleast try to play together & join the same Fleet/Guild/whatever they are call.
Um not sure about server yet.
but to answer a few other questions
QuoteQ: How will I be able to play with my friends?
A: In space, you can form teams and do missions together. Space battles will occur between multiple player and NPC vessels. When you do a ground mission, the mission owner can build an away team that consists of other players. Outside of combat, there will be numerous community building features, locations, hubs and events that will bring players together.
Q: What races will I be able to play?
A: The plan is Human, Vulcan, Andorian, Klingon, Orion, Gorn and several others. You will also be able to create your own race with its own custom look and attributes.
Oh and GF open beta is the 12th.
Well, Yay!
Quote from: katmai on December 28, 2009, 04:28:34 PM
Oh and GF open beta is the 12th.
You shouldn't pimp out your girlfriend on an open Beta. If you need to test her out you should have a closed beta with a strict NDA.
I'll check out the beta, but that's it I guess
Meh, it still smells like a bomb.
QuoteWhen you do a ground mission, the mission owner can build an away team that consists of other players. Outside of combat, there will be numerous community building features, locations, hubs and events that will bring players together.
Away teams filled with nothing but Captains? Meh.
QuoteYou will also be able to create your own race with its own custom look and attributes.
Great. Looking forward to servers filled with Dildoz from the planet Vulva.
This is starting to remind me of an intergalactic
Pirates of The Burning Seas.
Not like you were gonna stay with it anyways, ya quitter.
Quote from: Grey Fox on December 28, 2009, 04:14:03 PM
:nerd:
Any info on how many servers there will be?
As usual, we should all atleast try to play together & join the same Fleet/Guild/whatever they are call.
Count me in! I still have my Kirk and Spock dolls along with the Enterprise bridge set. :nerd:
Strix sounds like a good Vulcan name.
Man, I miss Bridge Commander. That was a badass game.
Can I grief people? Griefing the languish bridge crew would sound like fun.
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 28, 2009, 07:57:39 PM
Can I grief people? Griefing the languish bridge crew would sound like fun.
No, their are no kubelwagens in space!
Quote from: katmai on December 28, 2009, 08:04:34 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 28, 2009, 07:57:39 PM
Can I grief people? Griefing the languish bridge crew would sound like fun.
No, their are no kubelwagens in space!
Screw this game then.
Quote from: Grallon on December 28, 2009, 02:11:38 PM
Quote from: Syt on December 28, 2009, 12:44:06 PM
I'm holding off till the Star Wars MMO comes out. -_-
You're looking forward to more grinding? :hmm:
EDIT: More grinding *and* 72900000 jedis/siths
G.
:hmm:
You can be my number 1 Jaron. :wub:
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 28, 2009, 07:57:39 PM
Can I grief people? Griefing the languish bridge crew would sound like fun.
I'd make Beverly Crusher fuck her own son, with Troi and Data running a train on them both afterwards.
Quote from: Grey Fox on December 28, 2009, 04:14:03 PM
:nerd:
Any info on how many servers there will be?
As usual, we should all atleast try to play together & join the same Fleet/Guild/whatever they are call.
Only one unified server.
Game appears to be heavily instanced, and PvP is all instanced, so no griefing at least (and no worries when Klingons are outnumbered 10:1 by Federation).
And I have: pre-ordered the Digital Deluxe version. :blush:
Quote from: Barrister on December 28, 2009, 09:30:39 PM
(and no worries when Klingons are outnumbered 10:1 by Federation).
I dunno, I can see a lot of annoying fanbois choosing Federation with names like "JOHN LUCK PICKERD", but even more annoying fanbois choosing Klingon--and speaking the fucking language in local.
Fuck it. I'd be V'ger and fuck a bald Eurochick.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 28, 2009, 09:33:07 PM
Quote from: Barrister on December 28, 2009, 09:30:39 PM
(and no worries when Klingons are outnumbered 10:1 by Federation).
I dunno, I can see a lot of annoying fanbois choosing Federation with names like "JOHN LUCK PICKERD", but even more annoying fanbois choosing Klingon--and speaking the fucking language in local.
Fuck it. I'd be V'ger and fuck a bald Eurochick.
Actually she was a Deltan, a highly sexual species of telepaths. Unfortunately for you they have to swear celibacy upon joining Starfleet, lest they break your fragile psyche in the act. :nerd:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 28, 2009, 09:33:07 PM
Quote from: Barrister on December 28, 2009, 09:30:39 PM
(and no worries when Klingons are outnumbered 10:1 by Federation).
I dunno, I can see a lot of annoying fanbois choosing Federation with names like "JOHN LUCK PICKERD", but even more annoying fanbois choosing Klingon--and speaking the fucking language in local.
Fuck it. I'd be V'ger and fuck a bald Eurochick.
Oh, there'll be both. But if WoW is any indication more people want to be pretty, which means Vulcans and Humans will predominate.
Of course you can be damn sure that with my new pre-order benefit I'm going to have an all female bridge crew all wearing TOS-era miniskirts. :blush:
Quote from: Barrister on December 28, 2009, 10:19:19 PM
Oh, there'll be both. But if WoW is any indication more people want to be pretty, which means Vulcans and Humans will predominate.
Of course you can be damn sure that with my new pre-order benefit I'm going to have an all female bridge crew all wearing TOS-era miniskirts. :blush:
Did you make sure to pre-order from a vendor giving away the TOS uniform?
Quote from: katmai on December 28, 2009, 10:25:42 PM
Quote from: Barrister on December 28, 2009, 10:19:19 PM
Oh, there'll be both. But if WoW is any indication more people want to be pretty, which means Vulcans and Humans will predominate.
Of course you can be damn sure that with my new pre-order benefit I'm going to have an all female bridge crew all wearing TOS-era miniskirts. :blush:
Did you make sure to pre-order from a vendor giving away the TOS uniform?
Why on earth would I otherwise order directly from Atari?
Quote from: Barrister on December 28, 2009, 10:26:56 PM
Quote from: katmai on December 28, 2009, 10:25:42 PM
Quote from: Barrister on December 28, 2009, 10:19:19 PM
Oh, there'll be both. But if WoW is any indication more people want to be pretty, which means Vulcans and Humans will predominate.
Of course you can be damn sure that with my new pre-order benefit I'm going to have an all female bridge crew all wearing TOS-era miniskirts. :blush:
Did you make sure to pre-order from a vendor giving away the TOS uniform?
Why on earth would I otherwise order directly from Atari?
Because it was only place to ship to your backwoods town?
Where did you all pre-order from?
I'm leaning Direct2drive so far.
Says the man in Anchorage.
At least I live in a civilized time zone.
Quote from: Grey Fox on December 28, 2009, 10:35:08 PM
Where did you all pre-order from?
I'm leaning Direct2drive so far.
That's where I have mine the Digital Deluxe Edition.
And beeb I live in a
city of 300,000 people. :P
Also what can i say, Alaska is big enough and important enough to have It's own time zone. ^_^
Actually I just realized that you can order the DDE from people other than Atari. So I would have been better off to download from D2D. Nice of them to point that out. :mad:
Quote from: Grey Fox on December 28, 2009, 02:31:15 PM
WoW is everywhere, one cannot escape it.
I hear people talk about "tanks" and "dps" as though they were words in a real language and just lol at the geeks.
Having said that, using one MMORPG term in a thread about another MMORPG is probably fair. They types who play the one probably play another, and those of us who don't play WoW don't play any Star Trek MMO games either.
I don't think there is a hope that one could make a successful ST MMORPG. The very ethos of the canon is about "special people" and everyone cannot be 'special" without the term losing its meaning.
Quote from: grumbler on December 28, 2009, 10:52:02 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on December 28, 2009, 02:31:15 PM
WoW is everywhere, one cannot escape it.
I hear people talk about "tanks" and "dps" as though they were words in a real language and just lol at the geeks.
Having said that, using one MMORPG term in a thread about another MMORPG is probably fair. They types who play the one probably play another, and those of us who don't play WoW don't play any Star Trek MMO games either.
I don't think there is a hope that one could make a successful ST MMORPG. The very ethos of the canon is about "special people" and everyone cannot be 'special" without the term losing its meaning.
You acknowledge the very response I would make. The terms are accepted within MMO games, so they are fair game in discussing another MMO. I'm certain there must be terms of art in miniature gaming that I am unaware of, but would make sense to others within the community.
And that's what first surprised me about MMOs in general - how can we ALL be heroes? Yet that's how they all seem to work. WoW has everyone being heroes of the realm, so STO could as well.
Whether it will be successful or not is an open question, but that is not the reason it would fail...
Quote from: Barrister on December 28, 2009, 01:14:27 PM
As I mentioned months before, it sounds very boring to me to play, say, the medical officer and be stuck in sick bay while other players are doing away missions or what not.
I think I like the model they've gone with. You play a ship's captain, but you have persistent Bridge Officers who can gain experience and skills with you. To put it in WoW terms it's as if every player is a hunter and can have multiple pets out at the same time.
An all-female crew of large-breasted Vulcans, or no deal. :P
Quote from: Tonitrus on December 28, 2009, 11:57:23 PM
Quote from: Barrister on December 28, 2009, 01:14:27 PM
As I mentioned months before, it sounds very boring to me to play, say, the medical officer and be stuck in sick bay while other players are doing away missions or what not.
I think I like the model they've gone with. You play a ship's captain, but you have persistent Bridge Officers who can gain experience and skills with you. To put it in WoW terms it's as if every player is a hunter and can have multiple pets out at the same time.
An all-female crew of large-breasted Vulcans, or no deal. :P
Quote from: BarristerOf course you can be damn sure that with my new pre-order benefit I'm going to have an all female bridge crew all wearing TOS-era miniskirts. :blush:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 28, 2009, 09:33:07 PM
I dunno, I can see a lot of annoying fanbois choosing Federation with names like "JOHN LUCK PICKERD", but even more annoying fanbois choosing Klingon--and speaking the fucking language in local.
Fuck it. I'd be V'ger and fuck a bald Eurochick.
I figured you'd be JonBenet Picard. -_-
Quote from: Caliga on December 29, 2009, 07:52:27 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 28, 2009, 09:33:07 PM
I dunno, I can see a lot of annoying fanbois choosing Federation with names like "JOHN LUCK PICKERD", but even more annoying fanbois choosing Klingon--and speaking the fucking language in local.
Fuck it. I'd be V'ger and fuck a bald Eurochick.
I figured you'd be JonBenet Picard. -_-
So wrong! :lmfao:
Quote from: Caliga on December 29, 2009, 07:52:27 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 28, 2009, 09:33:07 PM
I dunno, I can see a lot of annoying fanbois choosing Federation with names like "JOHN LUCK PICKERD", but even more annoying fanbois choosing Klingon--and speaking the fucking language in local.
Fuck it. I'd be V'ger and fuck a bald Eurochick.
I figured you'd be JonBenet Picard. -_-
Don't worry, I've already considered JeanBenet Picard.
Spocked> Picard is the better captain
JT Mirk> No! Kirk is, you idiot
Spocked> HIGHLY ILLOGICAL
JT Mirk> Fuck you, you vulcan pansy
88> HEIL HITLER!
Bobby Brady> I just ate my own spunk!
Yep, sounds like fun
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 29, 2009, 08:43:46 AM
Spocked> Picard is the better captain
JT Mirk> No! Kirk is, you idiot
Spocked> HIGHLY ILLOGICAL
JT Mirk> Fuck you, you vulcan pansy
88> HEIL HITLER!
Bobby Brady> I just ate my own spunk!
Yep, sounds like fun
Not at all scientific, but from reading the forums it seems to be an older crowd then most MMO's
Thinking about it, I don't think today's nerds are all that into Star Trek.. It certainly hasn't been cool amongst the nerd-set for at least a decade.
So it probably is the 20 to 30 somethings that even care about this game.
Quote from: Barrister on December 29, 2009, 02:02:37 PM
Thinking about it, I don't think today's nerds are all that into Star Trek.. It certainly hasn't been cool amongst the nerd-set for at least a decade.
So it probably is the 20 to 30 somethings that even care about this game.
There is one thread asking how old the folks on forum are, some 20 somethings, but mostly 35-50.
So anybody besides katmai and I thinking of trying this one out?
Quote from: katmai on December 29, 2009, 02:10:41 PM
Quote from: Barrister on December 29, 2009, 02:02:37 PM
Thinking about it, I don't think today's nerds are all that into Star Trek.. It certainly hasn't been cool amongst the nerd-set for at least a decade.
So it probably is the 20 to 30 somethings that even care about this game.
There is one thread asking how old the folks on forum are, some 20 somethings, but mostly 35-50.
so a mature, if not old, crowd :p
could actually make for good gameplay :D
Quote from: katmai on December 29, 2009, 01:56:00 PM
Not at all scientific, but from reading the forums it seems to be an older crowd then most MMO's
Sure. There will be in depth chats on sperm, masturbation and other subjects. I know the internets.
Official forums are a dangerous place to judge a game by though, as only the hard-core fans hang out there.
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 29, 2009, 02:43:26 PM
Quote from: katmai on December 29, 2009, 01:56:00 PM
Not at all scientific, but from reading the forums it seems to be an older crowd then most MMO's
Sure. There will be in depth chats on sperm, masturbation and other subjects. I know the internets.
But if you aren't there maybe there won't be.
Quote from: katmai on December 29, 2009, 02:46:47 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 29, 2009, 02:43:26 PM
Quote from: katmai on December 29, 2009, 01:56:00 PM
Not at all scientific, but from reading the forums it seems to be an older crowd then most MMO's
Sure. There will be in depth chats on sperm, masturbation and other subjects. I know the internets.
But if you aren't there maybe there won't be.
What's the one common denominator of all the places Ed Anger has visited on the internet...
Quote from: katmai on December 29, 2009, 02:46:47 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 29, 2009, 02:43:26 PM
Quote from: katmai on December 29, 2009, 01:56:00 PM
Not at all scientific, but from reading the forums it seems to be an older crowd then most MMO's
Sure. There will be in depth chats on sperm, masturbation and other subjects. I know the internets.
But if you aren't there maybe there won't be.
:cry:
If I can't get into open beta, I'll wait for initial word from you guys then get in.
As for the crowd, Fallen Earth pre-order crowd was magnificent compared to your usual WoWtards. Then came official release and the tards flooded everything. So don't get your hopes up.
Quote from: Tamas on December 29, 2009, 03:00:52 PM
If I can't get into open beta, I'll wait for initial word from you guys then get in.
As for the crowd, Fallen Earth pre-order crowd was magnificent compared to your usual WoWtards. Then came official release and the tards flooded everything. So don't get your hopes up.
Reminds me of Battlefield 1942. The period between its release and Christmas was a golden age of multiplayer fun.
Then the 'tards arrived at Christmas and the game turned to shit. Then I decided if I couldn't beat 'em, I'd join them.
Quote from: Barrister on December 29, 2009, 02:02:37 PM
Thinking about it, I don't think today's nerds are all that into Star Trek.. It certainly hasn't been cool amongst the nerd-set for at least a decade.
Yeah, what are nerds into these days? ST and SW seem to appeal mostly to the 30+ crowd for reasons of childhood nostalgia.
Quote from: Barrister on December 29, 2009, 02:37:52 PM
So anybody besides katmai and I thinking of trying this one out?
Interested, but not at all expecting it to be any good.
Quote from: Barrister on December 29, 2009, 03:39:47 PM
Quote from: Tamas on December 29, 2009, 03:35:57 PM
Quote from: Syt on December 29, 2009, 03:32:06 PM
Yeah, what are nerds into these days?
Anime
:bleeding:
You're probably right though. :(
Trust me. I work together with a lot of early-20s nerds. Aside from total tech-heads who just don't care much about anything but some techy geek stuff, it is anime.
Quote from: Barrister on December 29, 2009, 02:37:52 PM
So anybody besides katmai and I thinking of trying this one out?
Hai
Btw, wonder how the experience will feel.... will it be more like in TOS, with the player making all sorts of landings and going forward with phasers in hand, screaming "For the Federation" or, like in TNG, sitting comfortably in the commander's chair, sipping bad whiskey from the replicator while exploring the universe in the most relaxed manner? I bet it's more like the first one :glare:
Quote from: Alexandru H. on December 29, 2009, 06:25:26 PM
Btw, wonder how the experience will feel.... will it be more like in TOS, with the player making all sorts of landings and going forward with phasers in hand, screaming "For the Federation" or, like in TNG, sitting comfortably in the commander's chair, sipping bad whiskey from the replicator while exploring the universe in the most relaxed manner? I bet it's more like the first one :glare:
More like the first one. I've read a couple of previews, or experiences by people playing the current closed beta. It's much more combat focused (probably because no one has ever done a good non-combat MMO), and away teams are always led by the Captain (since that's the PC).
Quote from: Alexandru H. on December 29, 2009, 06:25:26 PM
Btw, wonder how the experience will feel.... will it be more like in TOS, with the player making all sorts of landings and going forward with phasers in hand, screaming "For the Federation" or, like in TNG, sitting comfortably in the commander's chair, sipping bad whiskey from the replicator while exploring the universe in the most relaxed manner? I bet it's more like the first one :glare:
TNG federation was lame as hell. Kirk would never have been allowed to rise to the top in that kind of environment.
Thankfully the Borg and the Dominion beat the complacency out of them.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 29, 2009, 07:52:10 PM
Quote from: Alexandru H. on December 29, 2009, 06:25:26 PM
Btw, wonder how the experience will feel.... will it be more like in TOS, with the player making all sorts of landings and going forward with phasers in hand, screaming "For the Federation" or, like in TNG, sitting comfortably in the commander's chair, sipping bad whiskey from the replicator while exploring the universe in the most relaxed manner? I bet it's more like the first one :glare:
TNG federation was lame as hell. Kirk would never have been allowed to rise to the top in that kind of environment.
Thankfully the Borg and the Dominion beat the complacency out of them.
TOS was like a bad B-Movie. Terrible.
TNG seemed very realistic in presenting a highly bureaucratic society, as any future Human Federation would surely look like. It did have its faults (Wesley Crusher, the useless Deanna or the obsession of high-ranking officers to teleport right in the eye of the storm), but it was an obvious improvement from the trash of Kirk and his crew...
You're dead to me.
Quote from: Barrister on December 29, 2009, 08:58:09 PM
You're dead to me.
Not like I ever payed attention to him anyways :lol:
Fair enough.
Quote from: Alexandru H. on December 29, 2009, 08:04:48 PM
TOS was like a bad B-Movie. Terrible.
Clearly, you don't know much about TOS. Any generalizations about TOS are going to be both correct and incorrect, because the show changed so much over the three short years it was on.
First season stuff was almost uniformly terrific; though the heros 'won" every time, it was always at a cost, and the endings were somber.
Third-season shows were almost uniformly drek, with "Nazi planet" followed by "gangster planet" and the "Roman planet" and "Commie planet;" on at least half the planets Kirk was kidnapped and when that didn't happen (and sometimes when it did) he lost his memory.
Second-season shows were in between. Still some excellent stuff, especially that written by the "real SF writers" but a fair amount of crap from DC Fontana and Gene Coon.
Everytime you criticize the nazi planet and the Vic Tayback gangster planet, I die a little inside.
Quote from: grumbler on December 30, 2009, 01:33:32 PM
Third-season shows were almost uniformly drek, with "Nazi planet" followed by "gangster planet" and the "Roman planet" and "Commie planet;"
I liked those planets. :(
I liked the episodes wherein Kirk got action. :cool:
I was thinking about the episode with the white-black dudes locked in eternal chase through the ruins of their suicided civilization last night. Somber indeed.
Gangster planet seemed to me to be an intentionally comic episode.
The rest were overly ponderous in style.
Quote from: grumbler on December 30, 2009, 01:33:32 PM
Third-season shows were almost uniformly drek, with "Nazi planet" followed by "gangster planet" and the "Roman planet" and "Commie planet;"
Did those episodes really follow one after the other? :blink:
Quote from: Barrister on December 30, 2009, 08:49:07 PM
Quote from: grumbler on December 30, 2009, 01:33:32 PM
Third-season shows were almost uniformly drek, with "Nazi planet" followed by "gangster planet" and the "Roman planet" and "Commie planet;"
Did those episodes really follow one after the other? :blink:
No. Gangster planet was episode 46, Nazi planet episode 50, and Roman planet episode 54. Those episodes are all from Season 2, actually.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Star_Trek:_The_Original_Series_episodes#Season_2_.281967.E2.80.931968.29
Not sure which was meant to be "commie planet."
You have to forgive Grumbler. His memory was shot after fighting the German in Teutoburger Wald.
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 30, 2009, 09:03:41 PM
You have to forgive Grumbler. His memory was shot after fighting the German in Teutoburger Wald.
His ears are pure titanium. Happened at Iwo Jima or Little Bighorn. The one without the Indians.
Quote from: ulmont on December 30, 2009, 08:54:47 PM
Quote from: Barrister on December 30, 2009, 08:49:07 PM
Quote from: grumbler on December 30, 2009, 01:33:32 PM
Third-season shows were almost uniformly drek, with "Nazi planet" followed by "gangster planet" and the "Roman planet" and "Commie planet;"
Did those episodes really follow one after the other? :blink:
No. Gangster planet was episode 46, Nazi planet episode 50, and Roman planet episode 54. Those episodes are all from Season 2, actually.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Star_Trek:_The_Original_Series_episodes#Season_2_.281967.E2.80.931968.29
Not sure which was meant to be "commie planet."
Okay, late second season (I said that some of the second season stuff was bad), if one wants to be pedantic.
Third season had "American Indian Planet" (58) "Western Planet" (61) and "Ancient Greece Planet" (65). if that matters.
The point is that, while there were some good, original stories in ST, there was also a lot of derivative stuff done because it was cheap to do (yes, I will grant that some of it was attempted humor, and so at least a little bit forgivable ven though the "humor" utterly failed).
Stargate SG-1 did the same thing, but was generally not intended as serious SF.
ST is worth watching if you are watching one of the good episodes, but frankly a fair number of them should be burned so no one ever has to see them again.
For the most part I don't think even the ST fans are disagreeing with you. There was some derivative work. Not that the Roman Empire planet wasn't fan, but yes, they went to that particular well a few too many times.
It could probably be called "serious" sci-fi considering the time and place it was made (what other sci-fi was on network tv back then - Lost in Space?), but that is all.
To be fair, I think on the Nazi planet it was the fuhrer that lost his memory, not Kirk. :P
Kirk trying to dramatically belt out the Preamble of the US Constitution sticks with ya.
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on December 31, 2009, 12:33:19 PM
Kirk trying to dramatically belt out the Preamble of the US Constitution sticks with ya.
Yes, and the identical wording to the US Constitution was explained as parallel evolution! :lmfao:
That was commie-planet, as I recall.
Why does grumbler have to come in here and shit on my childhood :cry:
Quote from: katmai on December 31, 2009, 02:13:04 PM
Why does grumbler have to come in here and shit on my childhood :cry:
I miss the mini skirts :cry:
Quote from: grumbler on December 31, 2009, 02:11:25 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on December 31, 2009, 12:33:19 PM
Kirk trying to dramatically belt out the Preamble of the US Constitution sticks with ya.
Yes, and the identical wording to the US Constitution was explained as parallel evolution! :lmfao:
That was commie-planet, as I recall.
Yes. The Yangs and the whatevers. Not enough klingon killin' in that episode.
Quote from: grumbler on December 31, 2009, 10:28:55 AM
if one wants to be pedantic.
Coming from you that's cute. Or, in this thread: Q-t. ;)
Quote from: Barrister on December 31, 2009, 11:49:13 AM
For the most part I don't think even the ST fans are disagreeing with you. There was some derivative work. Not that the Roman Empire planet wasn't fan, but yes, they went to that particular well a few too many times.
It could probably be called "serious" sci-fi considering the time and place it was made (what other sci-fi was on network tv back then - Lost in Space?), but that is all.
My point is that saying "it" as though
ST were monolithic fails completely to capture what the show was like. The first season was serious SF by any standards whatever. Good people died. Monsters were revealed to be pitiable. Optimal solutions failed, and there were weeping widows when that happened.
The third season was not serious SF with a very few exceptions. Stories were derivative and contrived. Episodes always ended with everyone on the bridge laughing. Even Roddenberry gave up on it.
These changes were deliberate. NBC didn't know how to make SF work, so they slowly made it into just another show. The
ST show of the third season was a far different show than the one of the first season. It wasn't
nearly as good, IMO. Not even
DS9 changed so much over the course of its run.
The point is, though, that ST wasn't "sucky" and it wasn't "great." It was both. Just at different times.
Just a quick excerpt from MMORPG.COM reviewer who was playing beta test.
QuoteOne comment I read on the forums is that this game sounds like a "massively single-player game." I am not convinced it is, largely when it comes to these previews that's because I personally tend to solo and thus you don't hear as much about groups and massive content.
While STO is very, very instanced, they have done a good job of making other players part of the world. On starbases, even though you're within an instance, there are always lots of people about and in sector space, other ships are flying around all over the place.
The game has all of the usual grouping bells and whistles out there to find friends and get together. I generally, by default, would play alone but the game constantly offered me chances to play with others.
For example, when you enter some mission areas, you have the choice to play solo or play with others. This matches you with some others to get things done. Also on the map are areas that are not unlike Warhammer Online's public quests. These are giant space battles that are ongoing with specific zone goals.
The game does a good job of encouraging appropriate behavior. Without grouping or even talking to other players, we naturally formed a fleet in one of these scenarios and worked our way toward our goals. The space combat is slow enough (in a good way) that people can see what's going on and stick together to take on targets.
On away missions, when solo, you just bring four Bridge Crew with you. When you're in a group of two, the group leader brings two bridge crew and the other partner brings one, along with their Captains. It continues as such all the way up to a five man group of Captains. The advantage of this system is that they don't have to scale the content, it's already balanced to five avatars, they just give those who group smarter teammates to play with, which makes levels a lot easier to get through.
Oh and for Beeb about Bridge Officers
QuoteAt first, I felt detached from them. They are randomly generated physically when you activate them and have them join your crew. When you go to a Bridge Officer Requisition Officer or get one as a reward from a quest you only know what type they are and what skills they will have at each level. It lets you make an informed gameplay decision, but it doesn't tell you "who" they are.
Then I discovered the customization NPCs. It didn't fix all of my problems, but it did help a lot. I first changed all of their names. Then, I begin to fiddle with their uniforms, faces and bodies. The controls are exactly like the player creation, save a few decisions are locked. Unfortunately, gender reassignment and race changes were not in the cards at that point. Although, according to my inbox, race changes have been added. Nonetheless, it was enough.
Cryptic did a good job here, although I wish that they gave you the option to create them yourselves from scratch when they joined the crew, rather than auto-generating them and making you go fix them (with constraints) later. A random button could be there for those that don't care, but for me, that would be ideal.
Needs more yeoman rape.
Yeah I've been reading a bunch of stuff (especially at MMORPG) about the game, and am actually getting fairly jazzed about it.
Oh and just letting folks know, i'm getting the CE which comes with 3 10day guest passes, so if anyone wants to try out the game without buying the whole thing let me know.
Quote from: katmai on December 31, 2009, 05:57:39 PM
Unfortunately, gender reassignment and race changes were not in the cards at that point. Although, according to my inbox, race changes have been added. Nonetheless, it was enough.
Deal's off.
Don't want too many dicks on the dance floor.
Quote from: katmai on December 31, 2009, 11:28:45 PM
Oh and just letting folks know, i'm getting the CE which comes with 3 10day guest passes, so if anyone wants to try out the game without buying the whole thing let me know.
1 please! :w00t:
Quote from: katmai on December 31, 2009, 11:28:45 PM
Oh and just letting folks know, i'm getting the CE which comes with 3 10day guest passes, so if anyone wants to try out the game without buying the whole thing let me know.
that would be most handy...
but only if there's no way to get into the open beta other than via pre-ordering.
Quote from: katmai on December 31, 2009, 11:28:45 PM
Oh and just letting folks know, i'm getting the CE which comes with 3 10day guest passes, so if anyone wants to try out the game without buying the whole thing let me know.
I would love one kat.
Wait - I thought you were getting the Digital Download version?
Not sure how crazy I am about their pre-order system. There are so many potential benefits, many of which seem rather sizable. That being said I am expecting them to have a 'microtransaction' system where you can buy minor stuff (like if you want the DS9 uniforms from the CE) eventually.
Quote from: Barrister on January 01, 2010, 12:24:18 PM
Wait - I thought you were getting the Digital Download version?
Not sure how crazy I am about their pre-order system. There are so many potential benefits, many of which seem rather sizable. That being said I am expecting them to have a 'microtransaction' system where you can buy minor stuff (like if you want the DS9 uniforms from the CE) eventually.
They have that for Champions Online (extra costumes, more character slots etc.).
And since both are developed by Cryptic...
I don't have a major problem with that kind of system, as long as it's nothing "essential".
I am a little skeptical that this is going to work.
Is this a game based around space combat, or on the ground interactions?
Having a hard time believing that they can do both well.
Quote from: Berkut on January 01, 2010, 01:08:30 PM
I am a little skeptical that this is going to work.
Is this a game based around space combat, or on the ground interactions?
Having a hard time believing that they can do both well.
Both.
Apparently a lot of PvE missions involve going to a planet, having a space battle, then going down to the surface and having ground battles.
The previews have gushed more about the space battles than the ground combat. The ground combat had comments about the animations and AI still needing work.
I'm still excited! I wish it would hurry up so I can keep not buying Champions Online.
Me too. I have: drank the kool-aid. :blush:
But I am something of a trekkie, so this only has to be fairly average and I bet I'll like it. It does seem to focus more on PvE than PvP which I also prefer.
hmmm... I have dug out the classic "Birth of the Federation". Now to see if I can get my old disk to install and run...
Quote from: Barrister on January 01, 2010, 01:44:26 PM
hmmm... I have dug out the classic "Birth of the Federation". Now to see if I can get my old disk to install and run...
:pinch: notoriously hard to get that one to function on a modern system.
Quote from: Cecil on January 01, 2010, 04:01:31 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 01, 2010, 01:44:26 PM
hmmm... I have dug out the classic "Birth of the Federation". Now to see if I can get my old disk to install and run...
:pinch: notoriously hard to get that one to function on a modern system.
As I am discovering. Install went fine, but seemed to barf on running a vid clip to start the game.
Found an unofficial patch and everything looks fine. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Barrister on January 01, 2010, 01:13:26 PM
Quote from: Berkut on January 01, 2010, 01:08:30 PM
I am a little skeptical that this is going to work.
Is this a game based around space combat, or on the ground interactions?
Having a hard time believing that they can do both well.
Both.
Apparently a lot of PvE missions involve going to a planet, having a space battle, then going down to the surface and having ground battles.
The previews have gushed more about the space battles than the ground combat. The ground combat had comments about the animations and AI still needing work.
And they are also stressing that not all "episodes" as they are calling them have to be resolved with combat, in the spirit of the show.
Quote from: Barrister on January 01, 2010, 12:24:18 PM
Wait - I thought you were getting the Digital Download version?
Not sure how crazy I am about their pre-order system. There are so many potential benefits, many of which seem rather sizable. That being said I am expecting them to have a 'microtransaction' system where you can buy minor stuff (like if you want the DS9 uniforms from the CE) eventually.
I am leaning towards getting D2D DDE (comes with the TOS unis, and the joined trill possible PC) and CE from Gamestop (which has the DS9 unis, the Constitution class cruiser, the guest passes, and the cool communicator badge) I think :blush:
Star Trek along with comics were my big :nerd: from childhood
I'm gonna wait for katmai to piss away his money on this before I make the decision to piss away mine.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 01, 2010, 06:46:49 PM
I'm gonna wait for katmai to piss away his money on this before I make the decision to piss away mine.
Well If Crazy Ivan gets in open beta without preorder I think I will still have 1 more 10day pass to give away (tamas and Berks have the other two)
Quote from: katmai on January 01, 2010, 06:51:06 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 01, 2010, 06:46:49 PM
I'm gonna wait for katmai to piss away his money on this before I make the decision to piss away mine.
Well If Crazy Ivan gets in open beta without preorder I think I will still have 1 more 10day pass to give away (tamas and Berks have the other two)
I would like to give this a try, just to try an MMO with some of the other 'toons here.
If someone is serious about getting a trial to see if they want to buy the game, then by all means give it to them, as I am pretty sure that i would just crank out during the ten days and then drop it because my attention span for MMOs isn't that impressive.
:D understood mr. blue
I read the 3-part preview on mmorpg.com, and my initial take is that the launch will be messy, but with just a little luck the game can actually maintain my interest on the longterm.
So thanks for the trial key katmai, I can't wait :)
Quote from: Tamas on January 01, 2010, 07:07:21 PM
I read the 3-part preview on mmorpg.com, and my initial take is that the launch will be messy, but with just a little luck the game can actually maintain my interest on the longterm.
So thanks for the trial key katmai, I can't wait :)
Sure, and as it's apparently like EVE with one world server you'll be able to play with GF/Beeb/Berkie and myself.
Now don't forget I won't get the guest passes till actual release of 2.2.10, so if you get into open beta you might not even want/need it :D
Speaking of pissing away money, can one of you Wowtards send some gold to Divhur? Shit is too expensive in this game if you don't have an 80 handy.
Quote from: Berkut on January 01, 2010, 08:26:36 PM
Speaking of pissing away money, can one of you Wowtards send some gold to Divhur? Shit is too expensive in this game if you don't have an 80 handy.
On the hoof? I can log in and see what i have, might not be too much though since haven't been doing dailies :P
Quote from: Berkut on January 01, 2010, 08:26:36 PM
Speaking of pissing away money, can one of you Wowtards send some gold to Divhur? Shit is too expensive in this game if you don't have an 80 handy.
Do you still need?
I'm sure I still have 80g on the Hoof.
Been thinking about getting this.....
Screw a trill, you can get a borg bridge officer if you pre-order from the Uk. :lol:
Quote from: Alcibiades on January 01, 2010, 09:55:01 PM
Been thinking about getting this.....
Screw a trill, you can get a borg bridge officer if you pre-order from the Uk. :lol:
You can get Borg from Amazon.com no need to buy the UK one.
Quote from: Berkut on January 01, 2010, 08:26:36 PM
Speaking of pissing away money, can one of you Wowtards send some gold to Divhur? Shit is too expensive in this game if you don't have an 80 handy.
Okay I sent what i could ( like 550 gold) sorry it's not more.
So what's the way of applying for open beta?
To my knowledge, just have to keep checking the STO website as they haven't posted anything yet.
Quote from: katmai on January 01, 2010, 06:51:06 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 01, 2010, 06:46:49 PM
I'm gonna wait for katmai to piss away his money on this before I make the decision to piss away mine.
Well If Crazy Ivan gets in open beta without preorder I think I will still have 1 more 10day pass to give away (tamas and Berks have the other two)
tnx for the pass kat :) but lets cross our fingers that the open beta is truly open so that 1 pass can be saved for someone else :)
Quote from: Tamas on January 02, 2010, 04:48:37 AM
So what's the way of applying for open beta?
Wait for January 12th is step 1.
Are Trill considered cool? I never heard of them before googling it last nite. Sounds like I'll get to play as a Goa'uld.
I wanna be a Gorn, and have pasta strainers for eyes.
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 02, 2010, 11:36:18 AM
Quote from: Tamas on January 02, 2010, 04:48:37 AM
So what's the way of applying for open beta?
Wait for January 12th is step 1.
Are Trill considered cool? I never heard of them before googling it last nite. Sounds like I'll get to play as a Goa'uld.
According to DS9, Trill women are HOTT
Quote from: katmai on January 02, 2010, 03:57:41 AM
Quote from: Berkut on January 01, 2010, 08:26:36 PM
Speaking of pissing away money, can one of you Wowtards send some gold to Divhur? Shit is too expensive in this game if you don't have an 80 handy.
Okay I sent what i could ( like 550 gold) sorry it's not more.
Awesome kay, appreciate it. I will send it back
if when I quite again.
Quote from: Berkut on January 02, 2010, 08:32:55 PM
Quote from: katmai on January 02, 2010, 03:57:41 AM
Quote from: Berkut on January 01, 2010, 08:26:36 PM
Speaking of pissing away money, can one of you Wowtards send some gold to Divhur? Shit is too expensive in this game if you don't have an 80 handy.
Okay I sent what i could ( like 550 gold) sorry it's not more.
Awesome kay, appreciate it. I will send it back if when I quite again.
No worries, It's been sitting on my characters collecting virtual dust as it were :P
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 02, 2010, 11:36:18 AM
Quote from: Tamas on January 02, 2010, 04:48:37 AM
So what's the way of applying for open beta?
Wait for January 12th is step 1.
Are Trill considered cool? I never heard of them before googling it last nite. Sounds like I'll get to play as a Goa'uld.
They are okay, the biggest thing from game persepective is you get an extra skill bonus to start (i've seen it quoted as 500 skill points/ 38% higher) over other characters to represent the memories of the trill.
Well I'm torn over whether to go with the borg, trill, or the constitution class. :yuk:
Quote from: Alcibiades on January 02, 2010, 08:46:32 PM
Well I'm torn over whether to go with the borg, trill, or the constitution class. :yuk:
Heh, yeah which is why I'm spending too much money as apparently you can combine all the pre-orders into one account if I've been reading the forums correctly.
But on the plus side is i'll start with 2months "free" playtime :P
:lol:
I can't find any Canadian Retailer selling the Collector's Ed.*
*I will not shop at EB Games/Gamestop.
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 02, 2010, 08:51:08 PM
:lol:
I can't find any Canadian Retailer selling the Collector's Ed.*
*I will not shop at EB Games/Gamestop.
From the game company website they tell folks to order from Amazon.com not .ca if you want to try them.
From the website.
QuoteQ: Can I order Star Trek Online through Amazon if I am in Canada?
A: Absolutely. However, Canadian customers cannot order Star Trek Online through Amazon.ca. They must order through Amazon.com.
Q: What about Canadian retailers and their exclusives?
A: EB/Gamestop is the only retailer participating in our exclusives program. EB/Gamestop receives the same bonus as in the U.S., namely a Constitution class cruiser.
Trying a link showing the ships of the fleet.
http://suricatasblog.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/stoshiptierchart11.png (http://suricatasblog.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/stoshiptierchart11.png)
Quote from: katmai on January 02, 2010, 08:49:14 PM
Quote from: Alcibiades on January 02, 2010, 08:46:32 PM
Well I'm torn over whether to go with the borg, trill, or the constitution class. :yuk:
Heh, yeah which is why I'm spending too much money as apparently you can combine all the pre-orders into one account if I've been reading the forums correctly.
But on the plus side is i'll start with 2months "free" playtime :P
if they're anywhere smart they'll eventually sell most of the pre-order specials as micro-dlcs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIRGoVMARTc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIRGoVMARTc)
10min video showing character creation, and some of the options/customizations available in game (Race(Characteristics, Looks), Uniform design)
Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on January 03, 2010, 04:29:26 AM
Quote from: katmai on January 02, 2010, 08:49:14 PM
Quote from: Alcibiades on January 02, 2010, 08:46:32 PM
Well I'm torn over whether to go with the borg, trill, or the constitution class. :yuk:
Heh, yeah which is why I'm spending too much money as apparently you can combine all the pre-orders into one account if I've been reading the forums correctly.
But on the plus side is i'll start with 2months "free" playtime :P
if they're anywhere smart they'll eventually sell most of the pre-order specials as micro-dlcs.
Yeah they have said farther down the line they will likely do that.
I loved it in the new Star Trek movie when the voice recognition software at the helm denied Chekov access because he couldn't pronounce "wessel".
Quote from: katmai on January 03, 2010, 04:29:59 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIRGoVMARTc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIRGoVMARTc)
10min video showing character creation, and some of the options/customizations available in game (Race(Characteristics, Looks), Uniform design)
one problem I can see: it allows people to make heads that look like butts.... lol
I don't like the idea of customized races. Likely the result will be 80% of players will be from some stupid looking race instead of from one of the ones that actually widely populate the universe in the ST setting.
Quote from: katmai on January 03, 2010, 04:29:59 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIRGoVMARTc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIRGoVMARTc)
10min video showing character creation, and some of the options/customizations available in game (Race(Characteristics, Looks), Uniform design)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6A6pMO_WKM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6A6pMO_WKM)
Quote from: Caliga on January 03, 2010, 09:57:51 AM
I don't like the idea of customized races. Likely the result will be 80% of players will be from some stupid looking race instead of from one of the ones that actually widely populate the universe in the ST setting.
Too bad there was this recent sci-fi action movie titled Star Trek, otherwise the assmonkey teenagers and Ed would stay away from it.
Quote from: Tamas on January 03, 2010, 10:03:31 AM
Quote from: Caliga on January 03, 2010, 09:57:51 AM
I don't like the idea of customized races. Likely the result will be 80% of players will be from some stupid looking race instead of from one of the ones that actually widely populate the universe in the ST setting.
Too bad there was this recent sci-fi action movie titled Star Trek, otherwise the assmonkey teenagers and Ed would stay away from it.
I am staying away from it. I don't want to be in the same fleet with the rest of you people.
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 03, 2010, 10:14:05 AM
I am staying away from it. I don't want to be in the same fleet with the rest of you people.
Monkeybutt's mailbox says "Ceti Alpha V" on it.
Quote from: katmai on January 02, 2010, 08:49:14 PM
Quote from: Alcibiades on January 02, 2010, 08:46:32 PM
Well I'm torn over whether to go with the borg, trill, or the constitution class. :yuk:
Heh, yeah which is why I'm spending too much money as apparently you can combine all the pre-orders into one account if I've been reading the forums correctly.
But on the plus side is i'll start with 2months "free" playtime :P
:rolleyes:
Of course I was tempted to do that as well... :blush:
Some ingame footage of one of the tutorials to see how world looks. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXNiQEUQ-OU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXNiQEUQ-OU)
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 03, 2010, 01:29:40 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 03, 2010, 10:14:05 AM
I am staying away from it. I don't want to be in the same fleet with the rest of you people.
Monkeybutt's mailbox says "Ceti Alpha V" on it.
We are not one big happy fleet!
And last leaked video, showing ground combat vs the Borg.
http://www.youtube.com/user/STOUniverse#p/a/u/0/PdEN1rrpTy4 (http://www.youtube.com/user/STOUniverse#p/a/u/0/PdEN1rrpTy4)
This actually does look more polished than about 99% of the mmos that get released.
Quote from: Jaron on January 03, 2010, 04:08:28 PM
This actually does look more polished than about 99% of the mmos that get released.
Well I know that Cryptic got the rights to game in 2008 when the previous company folded, so even though they have only been on it for about a year, it had quite a bit to start with content wise.
Quote from: katmai on January 03, 2010, 04:10:53 PM
Quote from: Jaron on January 03, 2010, 04:08:28 PM
This actually does look more polished than about 99% of the mmos that get released.
Well I know that Cryptic got the rights to game in 2008 when the previous company folded, so even though they have only been on it for about a year, it had quite a bit to start with content wise.
I thought I read they acquired almost nothing usable beyond a few artistic drawings. Certainly since they're using their own in-house engine they didn't acquire any useful code.
Quote from: Barrister on January 03, 2010, 04:23:08 PM
Quote from: katmai on January 03, 2010, 04:10:53 PM
Quote from: Jaron on January 03, 2010, 04:08:28 PM
This actually does look more polished than about 99% of the mmos that get released.
Well I know that Cryptic got the rights to game in 2008 when the previous company folded, so even though they have only been on it for about a year, it had quite a bit to start with content wise.
I thought I read they acquired almost nothing usable beyond a few artistic drawings. Certainly since they're using their own in-house engine they didn't acquire any useful code.
I'll defer to you, I just knew that the previous company had been on the game since like 2006 :lol:
And seems like more and more videos popping up with the Closed beta ending this week.
http://www.youtube.com/user/HailingFrequency#p/u/0/vx8HEH7Tmvc (http://www.youtube.com/user/HailingFrequency#p/u/0/vx8HEH7Tmvc)
They learned alot from Champions, hopefully that is.
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 03, 2010, 04:35:34 PM
They learned alot from Champions, hopefully that is.
And don't forget Cryptic were the guys behind City of Heroes as well. So been in MMO's since before 2004
Quote from: katmai on January 03, 2010, 04:25:29 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 03, 2010, 04:23:08 PM
Quote from: katmai on January 03, 2010, 04:10:53 PM
Quote from: Jaron on January 03, 2010, 04:08:28 PM
This actually does look more polished than about 99% of the mmos that get released.
Well I know that Cryptic got the rights to game in 2008 when the previous company folded, so even though they have only been on it for about a year, it had quite a bit to start with content wise.
I thought I read they acquired almost nothing usable beyond a few artistic drawings. Certainly since they're using their own in-house engine they didn't acquire any useful code.
I'll defer to you, I just knew that the previous company had been on the game since like 2006 :lol:
Wiki states that no code was transfered to Cryptic, which would seem to be the important part of developing an MMO.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_Entertainment
Quote from: Barrister on January 03, 2010, 04:38:26 PM
Wiki states that no code was transfered to Cryptic, which would seem to be the important part of developing an MMO.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_Entertainment
Curious as to what game content (all the backstory?) entails.
Quote from: Barrister on January 03, 2010, 04:38:26 PM
Wiki states that no code was transfered to Cryptic, which would seem to be the important part of developing an MMO.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_Entertainment
Note how carefully that info is (not) footnoted! :lol:
which isn't to say that any code was transferred, it is just to note that "Wiki says X" has the same credibility as "I just made up X."
Quote from: katmai on January 03, 2010, 03:55:53 PM
And last leaked video, showing ground combat vs the Borg.
http://www.youtube.com/user/STOUniverse#p/a/u/0/PdEN1rrpTy4 (http://www.youtube.com/user/STOUniverse#p/a/u/0/PdEN1rrpTy4)
I don't see a James T Kirk Double-Fisted Hammer option.
Combat: Fail.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 03, 2010, 05:18:55 PM
Quote from: katmai on January 03, 2010, 03:55:53 PM
And last leaked video, showing ground combat vs the Borg.
http://www.youtube.com/user/STOUniverse#p/a/u/0/PdEN1rrpTy4 (http://www.youtube.com/user/STOUniverse#p/a/u/0/PdEN1rrpTy4)
I don't see a James T Kirk Double-Fisted Hammer option.
Combat: Fail.
Go stare at one of your unpunched wargames will ya :P
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Quote from: Barrister on January 03, 2010, 04:38:26 PM
Wiki states that no code was transfered to Cryptic, which would seem to be the important part of developing an MMO.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_Entertainment
Note how carefully that info is (not) footnoted! :lol:
which isn't to say that any code was transferred, it is just to note that "Wiki says X" has the same credibility as "I just made up X."
For what it's worth, I recall seeing that information elsewhere.
A quick google reveals:
QuoteJack Emmert of Cryptic confirmed with AP that even though they purchased the license from Perpetual Entertainment shortly before they went belly up, Cryptic started over: Emmert stated:
We took no assets. There was nothing to be had, to be honest. We're building everything from the ground up.
http://trekmovie.com/2008/08/09/first-details-emerge-on-new-star-trek-online-new-in-game-images/
It gives a link to an AP story, but that link appears to be dead due to the age of it.
Or straight from the horses mouth:
QuoteQ: What is Cryptic using from the previous development?
A: Star Trek Online is entirely based on Cryptic's design and built entirely using Cryptic Studios' technology and assets. The former studio that we acquired the Star Trek game rights from had a huge amount of concept art created for their game – much of that is applicable, and we are taking advantage of it. But Cryptic's engine, technology platform and content pipelines have become so mature that with a small team we can quickly ramp up a project.
http://startrekonline.com/faq#18
So if I understand it now since i'm a glutton and getting the DDE and CE I'll have a 2nd Open beta code if anyone is interested and then the three 10 day passes for when game goes live.
I have no plan to preorder before the Beta starts (Money technicalities), If I dont get in that way, I'll take it sure.
Does that mean you get 2 early starts as well?
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 03, 2010, 07:12:20 PM
I have no plan to preorder before the Beta starts (Money technicalities), If I dont get in that way, I'll take it sure.
Does that mean you get 2 early starts as well?
I think so, i'm still not sure how it all works with early start and pre order bonuses (trying to decided between Borg Officer or Connie class ship)
Go Borg officer.
The Connie ship is only 'usable' for your first 10 or so hours of play, then you'll want to move up to a better ship.
The Borg officer can be useful for the entire game.
Better than a trill? :hmm:
Quote from: Alcibiades on January 03, 2010, 07:21:59 PM
Better than a trill? :hmm:
Now that's an interesting question. First anyone can be a trill - but only through the DDE can you be a joined trill.
Joined trill is part of the Deluxe Digital version, which costs $10 more (and with no physical media, but with several other bonuses). Borg officer is from ordering from Amazon at the regular price.
You can't combine the DDE version with Amazon, but you can combine the Collector's Edition with Amazon. CE is even more pricey, but gives other advantages.
Really - this is all way too confusing, but I guess it works since they managed to get katmai to buy the same game twice. :rolleyes: :P
Quote from: Barrister on January 03, 2010, 07:17:10 PM
Go Borg officer.
The Connie ship is only 'usable' for your first 10 or so hours of play, then you'll want to move up to a better ship.
The Borg officer can be useful for the entire game.
Yeah I know, it's interesting was looking at Amazon's shipping options
But with Amazon unless i go for $20 in shipping charges I won't get that copy till like the 4th or 5th, where Gamestop I should have pickup at store on 2nd.
Quote from: Barrister on January 03, 2010, 07:26:29 PM
Really - this is all way too confusing, but I guess it works since they managed to get katmai to buy the same game twice. :rolleyes: :P
And i've read folks buying from 3 different places to get all the bonuses :lol:
grumbler :hmm: What can I bitch about in this post? HMMMMMMMM I DO see only one space after that period.
Quote from: katmai on January 03, 2010, 07:31:19 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 03, 2010, 07:26:29 PM
Really - this is all way too confusing, but I guess it works since they managed to get katmai to buy the same game twice. :rolleyes: :P
And i've read folks buying from 3 different places to get all the bonuses :lol:
Yeah, I'll probably do the same goddamned thing.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 03, 2010, 08:20:58 PM
Yeah, I'll probably do the same goddamned thing.
Well pulled the trigger on the CE from Amazon for the Borg officer, not to decide to pick up pain vanilla from gamestop for the Constitution for the trifecta :lol:
I have to admit though - can you manage to order the pre-order, then cancel for the $5 cost?
For $5 I might try it... :sadblush:
Quote from: Barrister on January 03, 2010, 09:47:13 PM
I have to admit though - can you manage to order the pre-order, then cancel for the $5 cost?
For $5 I might try it... :sadblush:
Um yes you could, but why, didn't you get a pre-order from Amazon already?
Anyone know how PvP will work? Are they going to have mutliple servers with different rulesets?
Quote from: Berkut on January 03, 2010, 10:56:46 PM
Anyone know how PvP will work? Are they going to have mutliple servers with different rulesets?
The best i can tell it will be like EVE with one server.
PvP will be able through instancing like WoW bg's and also if you venture into the Neutral zone for open world pvp.
I feel myself slipping on this....must remain strong....
Quote from: Berkut on January 03, 2010, 11:03:12 PM
I feel myself slipping on this....must remain strong....
Well don't take my word as gospel as I haven't really read up on PvP for the game.
Quote from: Berkut on January 03, 2010, 11:03:12 PM
I feel myself slipping on this....must remain strong....
Fuck it. I'll be there with my double-fist hammer throws. In the Kirk alternate green tunic, with the waist wrap-around and V-neck.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 03, 2010, 11:28:33 PM
Quote from: Berkut on January 03, 2010, 11:03:12 PM
I feel myself slipping on this....must remain strong....
Fuck it. I'll be there with my double-fist hammer throws. In the Kirk alternate green tunic, with the waist wrap-around and V-neck.
That would be unwise Captain.
http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/james-t-kirk-fighting-method/
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 03, 2010, 11:46:55 PM
That would be unwise Captain.
Fuck you. It always worked for Kirk, I've seen the footage.
:lol:
I'll probably get it, play with you guys for like a month, and then get bored. it's worked for WoW and City of Heroes lol
Quote from: Berkut on January 03, 2010, 10:56:46 PM
Anyone know how PvP will work? Are they going to have mutliple servers with different rulesets?
Katmai is correct.
One big server, so no multiple rule sets.
Universe seems to be heavily instanced. PvP in instanced 'battlegrounds'. I think there is also PvP in the neutral zone. Seems heavily designed around a "no ganking" ruleset.
Klingons are designed as the PvP-heavily faction, with not so much PvE content. However (supposedly) Klingons can advance entirely through PvP, in particular because they can do Klingon factional PvP combat.
And I don't know about the double arm chop, but the game does have hand-to-hand combat...
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 03, 2010, 05:47:01 PM
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never noticed how KHAAAANNN! was a michael jackson fan.
Quote from: Barrister on January 03, 2010, 07:26:29 PM
Really - this is all way too confusing, but I guess it works since they managed to get katmai to buy the same game twice. :rolleyes: :P
If plausible, maybe I'll offer to take one off his hands. :P
It's going to be like Champions Online, 1 server multiple instances of the same area.
Quote from: HVC on January 04, 2010, 12:30:00 AM
I'll probably get it, play with you guys for like a month, and then get bored. it's worked for WoW and City of Heroes lol
That's why I try to resist.
OTOH it'll probably look like shit on my laptop, anyways. :P
Yeah - this could be a game I get really into. But I have no hopes about any of you fickle musheads sticking around to play it either. So I think the trick will be to try and find a decent guild (or whatever they're called) fairly early on.
If I play this game, my name shall be "Captain Eo." :cool:
Quote from: Barrister on January 04, 2010, 11:44:42 AM
Yeah - this could be a game I get really into. But I have no hopes about any of you fickle musheads sticking around to play it either. So I think the trick will be to try and find a decent guild (or whatever they're called) fairly early on.
You are not that different from us :P
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 04, 2010, 11:50:32 AM
Quote from: Barrister on January 04, 2010, 11:44:42 AM
Yeah - this could be a game I get really into. But I have no hopes about any of you fickle musheads sticking around to play it either. So I think the trick will be to try and find a decent guild (or whatever they're called) fairly early on.
You are not that different from us :P
*cough* Republic of Rome *cough*
What happened with RoR?
Oh I admit I'm a fickle mushead when it comes to playig boardgames online. :(
It won't really matter for the Open Beta, but trying to think of interesting archtypes I might want to play as my permanent toon. There are so many 'canon' species in Star Trek I doubt I'll just holus-bolus invent a new one, but using the character creation tools you can create a race that looks like just about anything ever seen in Star Trek.
-I could stick with what I know and try for a HOTT female human/vulcan/bajoran/trill/whatever
-Andriod science office
-Klingon or Romulan traitor/defector
-an old-school Tellarite
-straight up Human male (makes naming a lot easier)
-Cardassian refugee
-try to make a Caitian (ST: The Animated Series FTW!)
-a Dominion race traitor/defector
-a Betazoid (looks just like human, but telepathic!)
As you can tell, I'm bored at work. :blush:
:lol:
I know I'll try my own creation for Beta, as for final game,
I wanna see what exactly the perks the joined trill get since I bought the DDE.
maybe an Andorian.
Or plain old human.
For ship names I think I'll borrow from names of Yukon River Boats. :nerd:
U.S.S. Klondike anyone? How about the U.S.S. Tutshi or U.S.S. Tanana?
Oh and good point about the joined trill benefits...
Quote from: Barrister on January 04, 2010, 03:37:00 PM
For ship names I think I'll borrow from names of Yukon River Boats. :nerd:
U.S.S. Klondike anyone? How about the U.S.S. Tutshi or U.S.S. Tanana?
Oh and good point about the joined trill benefits...
I've already decided if I make a science based captain I'll have the U.S.S. Beagle :p
But I like the idea you have there, as far as i read the Ship names won't be exclusive so want to have something you won't see 50 gazillon of.
Ah fun, can't wait to see the hordes of USS Worfsballs, USS Tigers Woody, etc....
D2D offers:
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Open Beta Access
This is only available when you preorder.
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Early Start Program
This is only available when you preorder.
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Personal Shield
Multi-Spatial Personal Shield. This advanced personal shield system is based on Borg technology, which constantly regenerates itself and the health of its wearer. Exlusively on Direct2Drive!
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Original Star Trek Uniform Set
Three uniforms from the original series (blue, red, yellow).
#
Exclusive "KHAAAN!" Emote
An unforgettable moment from the second Star Trek Film. This exclusive emote allows players to relive Kirk's unforgettable moment of fury, with the timeless cry... "KHAAAN!"
#
Exclusive Klingon Blood Wine Toast Emote
Raise a glass like a Klingon! Greet other players with an exclusive Klingon gesture –the blood wine toast.
#
Unique Registry Prefix
Give your ship the coveted NX prefix, seen only on a handful of elite Starfleet vessels like the Defiant, 22nd century Enterprise, and Prometheus.
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Unique Ship Item
Automated Defense Battery. This Tactical Module grants any ship a passive 360 arc attack power with a short range.
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Joined Trill Race
The ability to play as a "Joined Trill" – a symbiote that grants you several lifetimes of experience.
For 45 GBP (or 50 EUR).
I'll stick with my ME2 preorder, though; with both games coming out at the same time I guess that's the one out of which I get the most mileage.
U.S.S. Hussar!
I pre-ordered.
:blush:
See you all on the 12th....
Quote from: Berkut on January 04, 2010, 06:41:11 PM
I pre-ordered.
:blush:
See you all on the 12th....
:lol:
Alright seems like I'll have an open beta key since i've ordered two copies, if anyone is interested...
I might have a 3rd if my insanity grows so i buy a gamestop copy for the bonus from there.
I'll take it. Captain Eo to the rescue! :cool:
Quote from: Caliga on January 04, 2010, 06:48:02 PM
I'll take it. Captain Eo to the rescue! :cool:
Anyone else? As I refuse to be the cause of Captain Eo!
:P
Fine. Captain Janks then. :rolleyes:
Damn it, you guys are going to make me pre-order before I actually have money for it!
Yes, we are physically twisting your arm Foxy. :rolleyes:
Ouch, ouch!
Quote from: Berkut on January 04, 2010, 06:41:11 PM
I pre-ordered.
:blush:
See you all on the 12th....
If you're a MMO fan, and a Star Trek fan, and have some disposable income, I don't see how you can resist pre-ordering. :blush:
OK, as I can't be bothered to scroll through all these pages, somebody please post a summation of which places to pre-order from for which pre-order bonuses, please.
And yes, Lt. Commander Katmai, I'm looking at you. MAKE IT SO NUMBAH ONE
Question the first:
What is your opinion on digital downloads? Do you prefer to have a physical media?
With an MMO, having a physical media serves no real purposes after a couple of months of the game & it's update.
Think about it, who would reinstall Wow from scratch instead of downloading the client from blizz?
Steam has finally listed STO & it's pre-order bonus is a personal Shield.
Chromodynamic Armor: This armor is based on technology brought back from the Delta Quadrant by U.S.S. Voyager and is personal body armor that improves the damage and critical hits of your energy weapons. The following are the bonus attributes for the armor:
Stats : 6.1% Physical Resistance
6.1% Kinetic Resistance
2.6% Energy Resistance
+15% Critical Damage
+5% Critical Chance
+3% Energy Damage
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 04, 2010, 07:59:38 PM
With an MMO, having a physical media serves no real purposes after a couple of months of the game & it's update.
Think about it, who would reinstall Wow from scratch instead of downloading the client from blizz?
Yes. Bandwidth is precious...
Okay there are three versions for sale.
1st is vanilla version. the following is list of places and their pre-order perks
Country Retailer Exclusive Features
United States GameStop[3] * Pre-Order Perk, Constitution Class Starship
United States Amazon[4] * Pre-Order Perk, Borg Bridge Officer
United States Best Buy[5] * Pre-Order Perk, Tribble Pet (Federation) or Targ Pet (Klingon)
United States Steam[6] * Pre-Order Perk, Chromodynamic Armor
United States Walmart[7] Pre-Order Perk, Additional Skill Points
United States Target[8] * Pre-Order Perk, TR-116 Ground Rifle
United States Direct2Drive[9] * Pre-Order Perk, Multi-Spatial Personal Shield
2nd is Collectors Edition which comes with DS9 uniforms, the cheesy communicator pin.
So you can order the CE from those vendors and get whatever their bonuses and the CE material
Lastly is the Digital Deluxe Editon which has all they stuff that Syt mentioned, once again depending where you ordered that from you get the vendors bonus as well.
Current vendors with DDE is D2D, Atari and Gamestop, Steam hasn't started selling it yet.*
* they literally just put that up for sale.
I dunno - I'd worry about DLing from Steam. It might force you to log on to BOTH Steam AND the MMO in order to play.
If I was going to digital download I'd get the DDE (digital deluxe edition) from Direct2Drive. Katmai, are you sure Gamestop does digital downloads?
As for me I bought the DDE from D2D, and Collector's Edition from Amazon. and trying to resist the urge to pick up vanilla from Gamestop.
Don't do it.
Quote from: Barrister on January 04, 2010, 08:03:03 PM
I dunno - I'd worry about DLing from Steam. It might force you to log on to BOTH Steam AND the MMO in order to play.
Katmai, are you sure Gamestop does digital downloads?
Yes I am. It was an option when i was looking as still contemplating ordering from them for Bonus of that ship. Yes I know it won't be useful after first 20hours of gameplay as the dev's put it, but it's the original Enterprise dammit!
Quote from: katmai on January 04, 2010, 08:05:50 PM
but it's the original Enterprise dammit!
No shit. If anything, you're cruising in style.
OK, I'm going to be silly as shit. I want the TOS uniforms, the original Constellation class, and the Borg Officer. I will name him Mono.
Quote from: Barrister on January 04, 2010, 07:54:22 PM
Question the first:
What is your opinion on digital downloads? Do you prefer to have a physical media?
Never had a problem with DDs, except from those faggots at Paradox.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 04, 2010, 08:27:47 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 04, 2010, 07:54:22 PM
Question the first:
What is your opinion on digital downloads? Do you prefer to have a physical media?
Never had a problem with DDs, except from those faggots at Paradox.
Then buy the digital deluxe (has TOS unis) from Gamestop (has original Constellation).
Quote from: Barrister on January 04, 2010, 09:01:04 PM
Then buy the digital deluxe (has TOS unis) from Gamestop (has original Constellation).
I'd hold off on that, as too many conflicting reports from people who have asked if the Connie comes with the DDE from gamestop.
Ah.
Ultimately Count, I decided what I wanted most (TOS uniforms) and ordered something that gave me that. Unlike Moneybags Katmai I only purchased the game once.
Quote from: Barrister on January 04, 2010, 09:15:34 PM
Ah.
Ultimately Count, I decided what I wanted most (TOS uniforms) and ordered something that gave me that. Unlike Moneybags Katmai I only purchased the game once.
I'm sorry some of us aren't silly enough to go into gubmint work!
:P
I'm sure all the wargamers here have spent more for a single game then the $125.00 I did for two copies of this.
Quote from: katmai on January 04, 2010, 09:20:25 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 04, 2010, 09:15:34 PM
Ah.
Ultimately Count, I decided what I wanted most (TOS uniforms) and ordered something that gave me that. Unlike Moneybags Katmai I only purchased the game once.
I'm sorry some of us aren't silly enough to go into gubmint work!
:P
I'm sure all the wargamers here have spent more for a single game then the $125.00 I did for two copies of this.
Are you seriously referencing wargamers as people exhibiting sound fiscal prudence? Really? Honestly?
Quote from: Barrister on January 04, 2010, 09:22:50 PM
Are you seriously referencing wargamers as people exhibiting sound fiscal prudence? Really? Honestly?
God no, just saying people are worse than me. :)
And as i've said before my biggest :nerd: things from growing up were Wargames, Comics and Star Trek. I don't collect comics so much, and wargames even less as when i do buy them, they never get played (I'm talking to you seedy!) so I'm a sucker lapping up the money making bonus offers they are selling :blush:
Quote from: Barrister on January 03, 2010, 05:53:29 PM
A quick google reveals:
QuoteJack Emmert of Cryptic confirmed with AP that even though they purchased the license from Perpetual Entertainment shortly before they went belly up, Cryptic started over: Emmert stated:
We took no assets. There was nothing to be had, to be honest. We're building everything from the ground up.
http://trekmovie.com/2008/08/09/first-details-emerge-on-new-star-trek-online-new-in-game-images/
It gives a link to an AP story, but that link appears to be dead due to the age of it.
See, now that wasn't so hard, was it? Why not just do that to start with, rather than citing some random anonymous dude writing in wikipedia?
Quote from: grumbler on January 04, 2010, 09:38:23 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 03, 2010, 05:53:29 PM
A quick google reveals:
QuoteJack Emmert of Cryptic confirmed with AP that even though they purchased the license from Perpetual Entertainment shortly before they went belly up, Cryptic started over: Emmert stated:
We took no assets. There was nothing to be had, to be honest. We're building everything from the ground up.
http://trekmovie.com/2008/08/09/first-details-emerge-on-new-star-trek-online-new-in-game-images/
It gives a link to an AP story, but that link appears to be dead due to the age of it.
See, now that wasn't so hard, was it? Why not just do that to start with, rather than citing some random anonymous dude writing in wikipedia?
Because it took several additional minutes than initially linking Wikipedia.
You know the large majority of the time wikipedia is correct. As such I think that a wikipedia link should be considered
prima facie proof of what it says. In the absence of evidence to the contrary, wiki can be accepted. It is however not definitive proof, and someone should always be at liberty to try and disprove what wiki says.
Quote from: Barrister on January 04, 2010, 09:42:47 PM
You know the large majority of the time wikipedia is correct. As such I think that a wikipedia link should be considered prima facie proof of what it says. In the absence of evidence to the contrary, wiki can be accepted. It is however not definitive proof, and someone should always be at liberty to try and disprove what wiki says.
Well, you can cite any made-up stuff you like, but frankly, it is more credible if you just say "I think that..." than if you say "I read on wiki that..."
But whatever works. I am perfectly happy to mock you for being credulous enough to believe that "in the absence of evidence to the contrary, wiki can be accepted." Just don't try that line with anyone whose proper reaction to that kind of gullibility can harm your career (bosses, co-workers, judges, etc).
Quote from: grumbler on January 04, 2010, 10:19:45 PM
Well, you can cite any made-up stuff you like, but frankly, it is more credible if you just say "I think that..." than if you say "I read on wiki that..."
I disagree with that statement. :mellow:
Stop, just stop. Take it to another thread or PM's will ya?
I am too much of a trekkie, so I will get it. But it will probably suck. And that makes me sad. :cry:
Quote from: katmai on January 04, 2010, 10:27:07 PM
Stop, just stop. Take it to another thread or PM's will ya?
Never! Grumbler's black on the right side face is obviously wrong! I mean look at him!
Any word on the gameplay? Is it much like Champions Online (i.e. 95% action) or is there some other angle involved (crafting, exploration ...)?
Only heard from 3-4 sources as in closed beta it's still covered by NDA but more action than not.
I have yet to see crafting mentioned, which is of course good, there are replicators of course (which, btw, act as low-price selling tools for your phat loot)
And as others here, I am having serious problems resisting to preorder :blush:
I'll most likely crack here soon.
Is there any way that I can get the borg and trill in one package? Those are the only two that I'm really trying to get. :shutup:
Quote from: Alcibiades on January 05, 2010, 04:40:32 AM
Is there any way that I can get the borg and trill in one package? Those are the only two that I'm really trying to get. :shutup:
Sadly nope, Trill is only by buying the Online Deluxe versions (Gamestop, Steam, D2D and Atari)
Borg as you know is from Amazon which only sells the vanilla and the Collectors.
I watched that combat clip again, and on second time through, I am a lot less impressed.
Grpahically it does look pretty good but....it seems like you just fly around in a circle wailing away. I noticed that the ship weapon arcs are very wide - basically seems to be "everything but directly behind" and "everything but directly ahead", which is rather unfortuante, since it means there isn't much point to maneuver except to bring differing shields to bear.
And that seems a bit to easy to do as well. Since your weapons ahve such wide arcs, there is no real need to keep a desired facing towards your target, so it seems like you are just going to circle each other switching out your shields.
Torpedoes are either front only or aft only
OMFG I dared to venture into the ST Online forum on mmorpg.com.
OMFG the very new topics to QQ about an MMO, like "WHY KLINGONS TRANSLATE TO PVP GAMEPLAY AUTOMATICALLY THEY HAVE PEOPLE PILOTING TRANSPORTS, BUILDING BUILDINGS AND MAKING BLOODWINE FFS!" :bleeding:
Altough there was one long post which did raise some good points:
QuoteIve been looking at this game, trying to decide for myself whether its worth looking into and if it has the legs to last. But Im not getting it. Ive read every part of the facts explaining what will be in the game, and it really seems to me like they have struck well short and wide of what this game should have been. My views are as someone who is not a die hard fan, quit likes the genre and the movies. So please no flaming from Trekky fan bois who would defend a paper bag if it had Star Trek written on the front of it.
The videos of the ships flying and in combat look more akin to arial dog fights in planes. Hard to explain as Im sure people will reply with "well what do you expect?", but it just doesnt look real. Ships will tend to fly at a level horizon and just do circles around each other.. Cryptic even said thats what they want to happen. Source: "You can move around and fight in three dimensions, but often players will just naturally choose to keep fairly "level" during combat. [CCMG]
The economy looks sketchy at best with the line of "well they didnt have money sooooo".
You can name your ship anything you want. Oh my god what a bad idea. In SWG you had naming policies, everyone had a sensible name that fit the genre. No one complained about it, it worked great. People will have stupid names like the USS KillZ0r! and PWNmobile etc etc. Immersion? None.
You loose nothing if you die. Okay, so people dont like losing things. But really, whats the point. End result will be everybody in pretty much the same or similar ships with the same or similar fittings. i.e. "This fit wins all, therefore if you don't use it you won win".
Ship interiors are not visible other than possibly in missions. So the immersion goes as far as a permanent external view of your ship..
I could go on with bits and bats, but generally speaking I really am struggling to latch onto something that makes me think "wow, cant wait to get stuck into that!". Seems the only people that will enjoy it regardless are the die hard fans who would play it even if it was made with black and white line drawings.
My personal predictions for how I see this game unfolding; Its going to be Pirates of the Burning Sea in space. That game had similar ideas. People in highest tear ships flying around for top spot. Fun for a month, boring for anything longer than that. Outside of PvP you'll have the Trekkies who will be writing down their own personal star logs in a diary, pretending something interesting is happening and that they are living the dream...
So please, someone who is more in the know, explain to me what on earth is happening in the game that will keep people interested long term.
Every bad points he raises, is actually a plus for me.
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 05, 2010, 09:24:43 AM
Every bad points he raises, is actually a plus for me.
There are advantages to games without legs, fer sher.
It has no appeal to me as a ST fan because it just seems to be the ST vversion of "all hat, no cattle," but I wouldn't be buying it if it
didn't have the ST name, either! :lol:
Maybe that's the difference, I'd be buying it no matter the IP it was designed around. If it can be just anything like Earth and Beyond was, then it's a success in my book.
I am thinking I will play in the beta, and if the game seems like it is going to EPICFAIL at launch, I simply won't pick up my pre-order.
Quote from: Berkut on January 05, 2010, 08:53:50 AM
I watched that combat clip again, and on second time through, I am a lot less impressed.
Grpahically it does look pretty good but....it seems like you just fly around in a circle wailing away. I noticed that the ship weapon arcs are very wide - basically seems to be "everything but directly behind" and "everything but directly ahead", which is rather unfortuante, since it means there isn't much point to maneuver except to bring differing shields to bear.
And that seems a bit to easy to do as well. Since your weapons ahve such wide arcs, there is no real need to keep a desired facing towards your target, so it seems like you are just going to circle each other switching out your shields.
I dunno. I think all we can draw from those videos is "it looks pretty".
The combat all seems to be drawn from the first few hours of gameplay. It's the equivalent of watching a video of someone slaying wolves in Elwynn Forest. So whether it is good or it is bad it isn't going to be what combat is like later on in the game when you have more skills and talents.
I do remember reading for example that every ship is heavily customizable. So you can choose weapons with very wide firing arcs (but of course much weaker), or you can have weapons with narrow firing arcs that are very strong. Of course I also remember reading a review of Klingon PvP a9also from very early in the game) that said the tighter turning radius of the Bird of Prey made for what seemed a very large advantage in PvP.
Of course there is absolutely nothing wrong with not picking up your pre-order if the game sucks.
My big worry about the game is that it just gets monotonous. Whatever you can say about WoW it's combat is pretty fast (too fast when it comes to PvP). If each ship to ship battle takes 60 seconds or more that could get really boring...
(Gamestop, Steam, D2D and Atari)
Which one has the least intrusive copyprotection and allows multiples downloads?
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 05, 2010, 09:24:43 AM
Every bad points he raises, is actually a plus for me.
I pretty much agree. HIs complaints are either fairly meaningless because we don't have any information, or are actually plusses.
Lets see...
'Ship combat doesn't look real'. Okayyyyyyy... how should it look?
'the economy looks sketchy' we don't know anything about the game economy
'You can name your ship anything you want.' While I absolutely agree I'll hate it when I see the USS Pewpewpew, I don't see how you'll really be able to enforce naming restrictions.
'You loose nothing if you die.' While I'm sure there's some modest death penalty, I play to have fun, and serious death penalties aren't fun.
'End result will be everybody in pretty much the same or similar ships' Meh - the minmaxers will do this I'm sure. There's always some combination that makes 2% more damage than anything else. Me, I'll do what seems right.
'Ship interiors are not visible other than possibly in missions.' A: it's not true (you can view your bridge). B: they've said they'd like to introduce more interiors. C: Exactly what are you going to do wandering around your ship? It's like player housing - sounds great, but who wants to stand in Engineering when you could be out adventuring.
Finally, it could be like Pirates of the Burning Seas. In the end that game had mediocre land combat, and ship combat was too long and drawn out (IMHO). But that guys complaints are very poorly thought out.
Quote from: starbright on January 05, 2010, 12:02:54 PM
(Gamestop, Steam, D2D and Atari)
Which one has the least intrusive copyprotection and allows multiples downloads?
Only ever used Steam and D2D before. Steam has its own copy protection on top of whatever else the game comes with, while D2D only has whatever the game has.
I've ordered from Atari, which charges you something like $3 to be able to do multiple downloads over a 2 year period (otherwise it's 30 days). I think Steam allows multiple downloads, not too sure about D2D.
Quote from: starbright on January 05, 2010, 12:02:54 PM
(Gamestop, Steam, D2D and Atari)
Which one has the least intrusive copyprotection and allows multiples downloads?
D2D.
Steam is cool but you probably need to run steam in the background.
Gamestop, don't shop there.
Atari, don't know really.
well, for Trek ship-to-ship combat we actually have a fairly realistic simulator and that's Bridge Commander. When it comes to that BC should be the benchmark.
I'll be doing like Berkut though: try to play the beta, and then decide. Same as I did with POTBS, and as I should have done with fallen earth
I got into the last two night of closed beta (tomorrow and sat) so i'll give some feedback to you guys.
How'd you manage that?
Quote from: Barrister on January 05, 2010, 02:36:30 PM
How'd you manage that?
subscriber of fileplanet
they are giving away beta keys that get you closed access from 11am PST to 8pm PST tomorrow, and 10am PST on Sat till 10am PST Monday.
Then open beta access as well.
Quote from: katmai on January 05, 2010, 02:35:44 PM
I got into the last two night of closed beta (tomorrow and sat) so i'll give some feedback to you guys.
Thank God its you and not Marti.
Eeek 8gb beta client, i know what my connections will be doing all day.
Quote from: katmai on January 05, 2010, 02:38:40 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 05, 2010, 02:36:30 PM
How'd you manage that?
subscriber of fileplanet
they are giving away beta keys that get you closed access from 11am PST to 8pm PST tomorrow, and 10am PST on Sat till 10am PST Monday.
Then open beta access as well.
So you paid ANOTHER $12 to play this game. :lol:
Moneybags Katmai indeed!
I can wait a week.
Quote from: Barrister on January 05, 2010, 02:51:17 PM
So you paid ANOTHER $12 to play this game. :lol:
Moneybags Katmai indeed!
I can wait a week.
Um no, I've been a fileplanet subscriber for years, I only just found out about them doing this promo last night. :rolleyes:
12$? Shit has gotten expensive.
must be fun to be rich :p
regardless: let us know how it is eh :)
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 05, 2010, 02:53:12 PM
12$? Shit has gotten expensive.
I have no idea where he got that from. If one was inclined to buy the subscription start at $6.95 per month, but I'm on quarterly of $15.95.
Quote from: katmai on January 05, 2010, 02:55:04 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 05, 2010, 02:53:12 PM
12$? Shit has gotten expensive.
I have no idea where he got that from. If one was inclined to buy the subscription start at $6.95 per month, but I'm on quarterly of $15.95.
From what I remembered reading on the STO forums.
There was, predictably, much gnashing of teeth about how "unfair" it was that fileplanet got access to the closed beta. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on January 05, 2010, 02:54:35 PM
must be fun to be rich :p
regardless: let us know how it is eh :)
With great wealth comes great responsibility. Katmai must now undertake the task of giving the first full review.
Quote from: Barrister on January 05, 2010, 02:56:22 PM
There was, predictably, much gnashing of teeth about how "unfair" it was that fileplanet got access to the closed beta. :rolleyes:
Heh yeah since the 1st of year the tone over there has gotten considerably whinier.
You posting over there?
Quote from: Barrister on January 05, 2010, 02:58:49 PM
You posting over there?
Very little bit, my screen name is katmai523 since my account is one i created for Champions Online
Gotcha.
Quote from: Barrister on January 05, 2010, 03:08:05 PM
Gotcha.
mainly been answering questions like seedy has about where/how to purchase as i spent too many hours pouring over it all myself :lol:
:D
I've posted a handful of times as BarristerBoy.
Oh and to let folks know if they do stick around the game :P
Apparently the game has somewhat of a "sidekick" system like the CoH and Champions games. So friends of different ranks can help each other out on their missions as the respective parties are scaled to their friends lvl, not power leveling like other games :P
Game installed, now just have to wait till 11am PST tomorrow to get to play around with it.
Quote from: Tamas on January 05, 2010, 09:16:05 AM
Altough there was one long post which did raise some good points:
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My personal predictions for how I see this game unfolding; Its going to be Pirates of the Burning Sea in space. That game had similar ideas. People in highest tear ships flying around for top spot. Fun for a month, boring for anything longer than that. Outside of PvP you'll have the Trekkies who will be writing down their own personal star logs in a diary, pretending something interesting is happening and that they are living the dream...
Quote from: Me, December 28, 2009, 06:31:00 pm
This is starting to remind me of an intergalactic Pirates of The Burning Seas.
The one problem with PotBS is it really didn't feel polished, and the quests seemed pretty lame from what I recall.
We'll see. I'm hardly promising anyone this'll be the greatest game of all time.
Quote from: Barrister on January 05, 2010, 06:44:54 PM
The one problem with PotBS is it really didn't feel polished, and the quests seemed pretty lame from what I recall.
We'll see. I'm hardly promising anyone this'll be the greatest game of all time.
You are the lead spokesman so far. Dont drop the flag now.
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 05, 2010, 06:54:20 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 05, 2010, 06:44:54 PM
The one problem with PotBS is it really didn't feel polished, and the quests seemed pretty lame from what I recall.
We'll see. I'm hardly promising anyone this'll be the greatest game of all time.
You are the lead spokesman so far. Dont drop the flag now.
Oh I'm pumped for this, no doubt about it.
But I'm not a stockholder, and I'm not going to advocate for a game I've never played. I don't want to be caught out like Tamas was on Vanguard. :ph34r:
I'll try out as much of game as i can tomorrow and let you guys know how it's feeling, but it also seems to me most MMO's at start are unpolished, I have to just recall all the complaints when WoW came out, and i didn't even start playing it till 3 months after it was released.
The Problem with PotBS was the lack of the jumping ability. That was just stupid.
been reading up on the beta forums...
Open beta is set to start next tues at 10PST/2pm EST/ ??whatever time in tamas land :P
QuoteSkills in STO are attributes that provide enhancement to powers and make players better at using their powers. As players advance, skills get more specific, and they can stack. There are currently 100 skills in the game, and each skill has nine ranks. Some skills are common across all careers, and some will be career-specific.
Powers are similar to skills and abilities in fantasy-based MMOs, such as the ability to fire a barrage of quantum torpedoes or the martial arts ability of close-combat melee. For players, powers also come from kits, which are career-specific, though there are many abilities that are common across all careers.
There are five Starship Captain Ranks: Lieutenant, Lieutenant Commander, Commander, Captain and Admiral. Each rank has 10 levels, yielding a total of 50 levels. Rank is dependent on skills attained, so if you gain a great number of Skill Points but never use them, you can remain a lowly Lieutenant and never be able to promote your crew.
Bridge Officer Points are used to level Bridge Officer Powers. Starfleet Merit is used for promoting bridge officers and acquiring new ships when a player is at the rank to unlock them. Energy is used to equip ships, characters and crews — in customizing looks as well as purchasing and upgrading equipment. Kits are a separate feature and used by captains only on away or ground missions. Each career has access to three different types of kits, and everyone has access to hypo-syringes, which are used for healing and can be obtained through drops and from vendors.
Tactical has access to Soldier, Security and Special Ops kits, which provide abilities such as team buffs and martial arts, threat management and escort (the ability to beam down other team members), and stealth, respectively.
Engineering has access to Fabrication, Technician and Combat kits, which provide turrets and shields, buff/debuff of equipment, and mines and grenades.
Sciences has access to Medical, Research and Scientist kits, which provide better personal and group heals, direct personal debuffs (such as decreasing speed and health), and crowd control (such as stasis fields).
Quote from: katmai on January 05, 2010, 09:02:13 PM
QuoteThere are five Starship Captain Ranks: Lieutenant, Lieutenant Commander, Commander, Captain and Admiral.
:bleeding: I'm sure most of the Navy types around here will get why that rank system annoys me.
Hint: Frigates can be commanded by lieutenant commanders.
Holding out. I've been thinking this may be the MMO to get me into the online pay-to-play scene, but I'm 1) broke and 2) incredibly skittish about 99% of the crap that's been happening with the franchise since the finale of Voyager.
If any of you want to download the installer (8gigs) before next tuesday sign up for free fileplanet account and you can pick it up there.
Quote from: katmai on January 05, 2010, 03:13:25 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 05, 2010, 03:08:05 PM
Gotcha.
mainly been answering questions like seedy has about where/how to purchase as i spent too many hours pouring over it all myself :lol:
And don't think I haven't appreciated it.
Quote from: katmai on January 05, 2010, 10:47:51 PM
If any of you want to download the installer (8gigs) before next tuesday sign up for free fileplanet account and you can pick it up there.
Are you sure that works with the free accounts? I just tried and it keeps going back to the "FilePlanet subscribers only" page.
Quote from: DontSayBanana on January 05, 2010, 11:30:47 PM
Quote from: katmai on January 05, 2010, 10:47:51 PM
If any of you want to download the installer (8gigs) before next tuesday sign up for free fileplanet account and you can pick it up there.
Are you sure that works with the free accounts? I just tried and it keeps going back to the "FilePlanet subscribers only" page.
That's what i was told/read on their forums. :(
Quote from: katmai on January 05, 2010, 11:35:45 PM
That's what i was told/read on their forums. :(
No dice. Closed beta for paid subscribers only, it seems. :(
Stuck waiting until the 12th for the open beta.
Um you fail at life shame, as i just started a new free account and could dl'd the installer.
http://www.fileplanet.com/208768/200000/fileinfo/Star-Trek-Online-:-Downloader---Utility (http://www.fileplanet.com/208768/200000/fileinfo/Star-Trek-Online-:-Downloader---Utility)
Is working for me.
Well, it's downloading. It will take years at this rate however.
Quote from: Barrister on January 06, 2010, 12:45:50 AM
Is working for me.
Well, it's downloading. It will take years at this rate however.
You were main reason i posted this, so you won't have it fully downloaded just as open beta ends :hug:
And actually the rate has picked up, hitting between 250-300 KB/s. :yeah: Should easily finish before the night is out.
Quote from: Barrister on January 06, 2010, 12:54:01 AM
And actually the rate has picked up, hitting between 250-300 KB/s. :yeah: Should easily finish before the night is out.
Cool I was getting around 500-1.3mb and that took me about 3 hours.
I didn't actually say it - thanks for the link kat. :hug:
Quote from: Barrister on January 05, 2010, 07:06:58 PM
But I'm not a stockholder, and I'm not going to advocate for a game I've never played. I don't want to be caught out like Tamas was on Vanguard. :ph34r:
Didn't Max and meri originally introduce that game?
Quote from: Syt on January 06, 2010, 01:28:53 AM
Quote from: Barrister on January 05, 2010, 07:06:58 PM
But I'm not a stockholder, and I'm not going to advocate for a game I've never played. I don't want to be caught out like Tamas was on Vanguard. :ph34r:
Didn't Max and meri originally introduce that game?
Too busy LARPing.
Quote from: Syt on January 06, 2010, 01:28:53 AM
Quote from: Barrister on January 05, 2010, 07:06:58 PM
But I'm not a stockholder, and I'm not going to advocate for a game I've never played. I don't want to be caught out like Tamas was on Vanguard. :ph34r:
Didn't Max and meri originally introduce that game?
Yes, but the meme was to bust on Tamas about it. ;)
:P
Everyone and their dog here was all "OMG I will SOOOO play Vanguard!" I just jumped the bandwagon. Then of course you, in true Languish fashion, abandoned the game faster than Marty does with his moods, and I did stick around for a while.
My solid persistence is what sets me apart from the Languish crowd. :sleep:
I never touched that pile of poo.
Quote from: DontSayBanana on January 05, 2010, 11:39:22 PM
Quote from: katmai on January 05, 2010, 11:35:45 PM
That's what i was told/read on their forums. :(
No dice. Closed beta for paid subscribers only, it seems. :(
Stuck waiting until the 12th for the open beta.
it is possible to dl the client with a free account, but you can't get a key :p
Quote from: Tamas on January 06, 2010, 02:52:00 AM
:P
Everyone and their dog here was all "OMG I will SOOOO play Vanguard!" I just jumped the bandwagon. Then of course you, in true Languish fashion, abandoned the game faster than Marty does with his moods, and I did stick around for a while.
My solid persistence is what sets me apart from the Languish crowd. :sleep:
While I definitely purchased Vanguard (much as I have purchased pretty much every major MMO since WoW) I was never effusive in it's praise. Indeed it was probably the MMO I played the least.
Quote from: katmai on January 05, 2010, 08:18:39 PM
been reading up on the beta forums...
Open beta is set to start next tues at 10PST/2pm EST/ ??whatever time in tamas land :P
that would be 18.00 or 19.00 hours I believe
Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on January 06, 2010, 03:15:02 AM
Quote from: katmai on January 05, 2010, 08:18:39 PM
been reading up on the beta forums...
Open beta is set to start next tues at 10PST/2pm EST/ ??whatever time in tamas land :P
that would be 18.00 or 19.00 hours I believe
i think its 8pm/20.00 actually
8PM yes
I never played Vanguard.
Will downloading the closed beta really help?
Ah well. No key and a fast connection means I may as well sit on it for a while.
BTW, Kat, it seems I do fail at life. I tried using that link and I got errors every time I tried to queue the file. <_<
Is this: sneak preview of STO's servers? :P
Quote from: katmai on January 05, 2010, 11:45:21 PM
http://www.fileplanet.com/208768/200000/fileinfo/Star-Trek-Online-:-Downloader---Utility (http://www.fileplanet.com/208768/200000/fileinfo/Star-Trek-Online-:-Downloader---Utility)
If I download that do I get to play? I'd like something to fill my time before impending employment :weep:
No, not before you go back to work.
Quote from: Sheilbh on January 06, 2010, 11:32:31 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 06, 2010, 11:16:13 AM
No, not before you go back to work.
.....Why not?
Beta starts January 12th.
Game is release Feb 2nd, January 26th for Pre-Orders.
I guess maybe you could, when do you go back to work exactly?
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 06, 2010, 11:43:18 AM
Beta starts January 12th.
Game is release Feb 2nd, January 26th for Pre-Orders.
I guess maybe you could, when do you go back to work exactly?
Oh crap. I start January 11th :weep:
Quote from: Sheilbh on January 06, 2010, 11:44:37 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 06, 2010, 11:43:18 AM
Beta starts January 12th.
Game is release Feb 2nd, January 26th for Pre-Orders.
I guess maybe you could, when do you go back to work exactly?
Oh crap. I start January 11th :weep:
It's what I thought. I didn't want to say, to avoid breaching TBR :shutup:
Downloader ran all night, only got to 55% complete.
Perhaps it's a good thing I'm trying to grab this so early.
What's your nominal speed BB?
3mb?
5
But as I've discovered the entire territory is connected via one very thing strand of fibre running alongside the Alaska highway.
oh :lol:
Quote from: Barrister on January 06, 2010, 11:58:02 AM
Downloader ran all night, only got to 55% complete.
Perhaps it's a good thing I'm trying to grab this so early.
lol, took me all of 2 hours. :p
sorry :Embarrass:
Thinking about it my wife has sometimes downloaded some torrents, so it's possible my provider has throttled my connection.
But it's probably just the crappy backbone connecting Yukon.
Quote from: Barrister on January 06, 2010, 01:56:43 PM
Thinking about it my wife has sometimes downloaded some torrents
:o :o :o
Quote from: Barrister on January 06, 2010, 01:56:43 PM
Thinking about it my wife has sometimes downloaded some torrents, so it's possible my provider has throttled my connection.
But it's probably just the crappy backbone connecting Yukon.
They can't throttle you all the time, if they did it probably would be against some law & the CRTC wouldn't be happy about it.
Well I don't know exactly what the problem is because I'm only getting around 150k downloads.
Thank goodness I can't actually use the game once it's downloaded until Tuesday at least.
I'm gonna join you in the "This is going to take forever at this rate" clan. 50kbs :bleeding:
:hug:
Got to play for about 3 hours so far, have to run and do errands then i'll hop back on till they shut servers at 8pPST.
So i'll have a mini review later tonight :P
Quote from: katmai on January 06, 2010, 06:12:29 PM
Got to play for about 3 hours so far, have to run and do errands then i'll hop back on till they shut servers at 8pPST.
So i'll have a mini review later tonight :P
:ultra:
So this will be free to play from the 12th till release?
How big is the download?
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on January 06, 2010, 06:30:54 PM
So this will be free to play from the 12th till release?
How big is the download?
I don't think so. You need to pre-order.
That being said apparently you can pre-order from Amazon for free.
8gb for me.
Upon relaunching my DL speed has slowed to a glacial 75 kb/s. :bleeding:
I think the problem is on Cryptic's end.
I read people get to name their ships without restrictions. Are there a lot of stupid ship names in the game?
Bound to be, yes. :(
Quote from: Barrister on January 06, 2010, 09:21:32 PM
Bound to be, yes. :(
The "U.S.S. Ask For Anal" :contract:
Quote from: HVC on January 06, 2010, 10:05:41 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 06, 2010, 09:21:32 PM
Bound to be, yes. :(
The "U.S.S. Ask For Anal" :contract:
I'm sure that would still get someone swiftly booted from the server... might be able to get away with playing a Negh'var as the "IKC AskF'r An'l," though. :contract:
Quote from: Barrister on January 06, 2010, 09:21:32 PM
Bound to be, yes. :(
:D thankfully not too bad in the beta tonight.
And yeah beeb so many people trying to dl'd the client plus the larger amount of people in beta trying to dl'd the patch before todays playtest have killed the speeds I reckon.
Though it means they are adding another day of beta testing for tomorrow :w00t:
Where's my review! :mad:
Quote from: Barrister on January 06, 2010, 11:06:58 PM
Where's my review! :mad:
The test period just ended, give me a few mins sheesh!
So it was interesting...
:mad:
Just teasing ya Beeb, I took a few screenshots so bear with me while I try to cover what i was able to see in about 6-7 hours of play time.
EDIT: NVM. Your response just came in at the same time I was whining. :blush:
Quote from: katmai on January 06, 2010, 11:31:34 PM
Just teasing ya Beeb, I took a few screenshots so bear with me while I try to cover what i was able to see in about 6-7 hours of play time.
I figured you were, but since you were looking for a response I figured I needed to give you one. :hug:
My download is up to 67%.
These are the voyages of the Starship Paulet*, to boldy go where no other Languishite has gone before!
So if you've seen the character creator video that was leaked, it looked the same, there was some mention in patch notes of adding some Betazoid, Trill and another species features, so gives you an idea how they are still adding stuff. Like I said this patch was just over 3 gigs, giving you and idea how big the updates are.
Anyways after spending a short amount of time (like 20mins :P ) my first character is a Tactical branch alien species.
A pic of how he looks (you bet your ass i put him back into gold as that is the only correct color for a captain!) :D
Pedro Paulet Peruvian Rocket pioneer.
Quote from: Barrister on January 06, 2010, 11:35:38 PM
My download is up to 67%.
Hasn't it been almost 24 hours. :lol:
After character creation you are plopped down on ship that is being besieged by the Borg!
You are given a ground tutorial by the EMH voiced by Shame's favorite Spock!.
After completing it you are able to choose your first bridge officer, i ended up with Andorian Engineer.
Then there is quick jaunt through space in your ship to learn controls. Then finally face the Borg planet side. After successfully defeating Borg you are recalled back to Starbase to be promoted to take command of first ship.
On the starbase you can visit tailor (where you can change your appearance and that of your Bridge officers. Not race as of yet though)
Also can visit vendors for Personal equipment and ones for Modifications to your ship. There is a bank and non-operating Auction house as well.
There is also a vendor where you can modify the appearance of your ship (pick and choose between three ships in each class, or even pick and choose parts from each for the 4 different parts of ship, (Nacelles, Saucer, Struts and ...crap don't recall the 4th))
My customized low rider. :P
and another
That's one ugly-ass ship you made.
After being promoted you are sent out on first mission.
The worlds are cut up into Systems and Sectors, all instanced so while seeing a bunch of other ships in Sector space don't really interact with them unless you are in Systems.
I liked it for fact when ended up in a Fleet Action with 19 other ships vs a Klingon raid the system never lagged, how it works on in PvP space I can't say yet, should know this weekend.
The space combat was fun, if basic, I mean it's mainly make sure shields are rotated and keep enemies in decent arc for you weapon systems, pick Bridge Officers with good skills (buffs) for your play style.
Ground combat is okay, still seems to need more work with animations as it looked odd when a Klingon races past me to attack my away team and after i fire on them they do the moonwalk instead of turning around to come back and attack me :P
In away missions you lead a team of 5, so it could be you and your bridge crew or you can take down generic redshirt security :P
Quote from: Barrister on January 06, 2010, 11:59:15 PM
That's one ugly-ass ship you made.
Non of the starter ships are lookers <_<
Oh and to give idea, i spent 7 hours and made it halfway to what would be lvl 5.
If ya have any particular questions on gameplay feel free to ask Beeb :P
Quote from: katmai on January 07, 2010, 12:51:35 AM
If ya have any particular questions on gameplay feel free to ask Beeb :P
Was it fun?
Does the ship combat look like it will get more involved with more skills?
How were the quests/missions?
You regretting spending $125 on it yet? :P
My download is up to 72%...
Quote from: Barrister on January 07, 2010, 01:06:40 AM
Quote from: katmai on January 07, 2010, 12:51:35 AM
If ya have any particular questions on gameplay feel free to ask Beeb :P
Was it fun?
Yes it was, i look forward to getting a chance to really play around with it tomorrow
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Does the ship combat look like it will get more involved with more skills?
It might, the Fleet Actions were amazing, i made mistake of getting too far ahead of the fleet and was quickly vaporized by those pesky Klingons!
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How were the quests/missions?
Lets see so far I saved a freighter from Orion Pirates, defeated Klingon attack on Starbase, found a Changeling spy in Federation Command, patrolled 4 systems in the war against the Klingon/Gorn/Orion tripartite. :P
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You regretting spending $125 on it yet? :P
Nope, for the quirks I did see i can easily remember that this is a beta status and reading their forums they are still a lot of things they want to add over next month before game goes live.
Besides I can't wait to see what my real character will look like in the TOS/DS9 uni's :P
I like the skill system as it is as there isn't really any classes per most other MMO's i've played.
Your comments that ground combat still looked rough was something I remember from some of the previews. And is something that is fixable.
It sounds good.
But very few games suck immediately upon logging in.
I'm potentially interested in playing with you kat, but I NEED ( NEEEED ) to know how the game stacks up after you get a little deeper in. Let me know!
Quote from: katmai on January 07, 2010, 12:07:16 AM
Quote from: Barrister on January 06, 2010, 11:59:15 PM
That's one ugly-ass ship you made.
Non of the starter ships are lookers <_<
Unless you get the Constellation Class bonus. :wub:
Quote from: katmai on January 07, 2010, 12:06:34 AM
After being promoted you are sent out on first mission.
The worlds are cut up into Systems and Sectors, all instanced so while seeing a bunch of other ships in Sector space don't really interact with them unless you are in Systems.
I liked it for fact when ended up in a Fleet Action with 19 other ships vs a Klingon raid the system never lagged, how it works on in PvP space I can't say yet, should know this weekend.
The space combat was fun, if basic, I mean it's mainly make sure shields are rotated and keep enemies in decent arc for you weapon systems, pick Bridge Officers with good skills (buffs) for your play style.
Ground combat is okay, still seems to need more work with animations as it looked odd when a Klingon races past me to attack my away team and after i fire on them they do the moonwalk instead of turning around to come back and attack me :P
In away missions you lead a team of 5, so it could be you and your bridge crew or you can take down generic redshirt security :P
The Klingons have made it to the doorstep of Wolf 359! They're not the Borg who just send in one ship and plow through all opposition until they reach Earth, they must have overrun dozens of systems to be able to raid that deep into the Federation.
When I left home for work my download was up to 77%.
How does the game handle death in away missions? Especially for your bridge crew?
Key bindings, fully customable?
Well when I woke up my install was at 99.52% complete. BY the time I was out of the shower it was complete, and by the time my toast was ready the install was finished.
Of course my account doesn't work yet. <_<
GF, I think I can answer the death question. Like most MMOs these days it has a pretty lite death penalty. If one of your party members dies they can be resussitated. If your entire party dies you just spawn again at an early save point.
Same with your ship. If you die in combat you spawn again a short distance later.
Not very realistic, but more fun I suppose. I think there is some loss in money or whatever STO uses.
Lite Death is a requiste, I'm not paying 15$ a month to look at a 10 min timeclock before I can play again.
With that being said, wth is pricing scheme for this thing?
They haven't announced pricing, but since every game known to man charges $15 per month, and Amazon is selling time cards for STO for $29.99, we can safely assume the charge will be $15 (US).
There may be a lifetime subscription, or cheaper prices for longer periods of time, but the base rate will be $15.
Katmai is going to corner Taco production in the sector.
I tried out Klingon side today.
And? :w00t:
I'm installed & ready to patch. Can't log in :(
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 07, 2010, 09:25:03 PM
I'm installed & ready to patch. Can't log in :(
2PM Your time on Tuesday.
Quote from: Barrister on January 07, 2010, 09:09:22 PM
And? :w00t:
Birds of Prey seem squishy on first go around or i just suck at PvP :lol:
Oh and half way through lvl 6 after playing in beta today.
Quote from: katmai on January 07, 2010, 11:02:34 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 07, 2010, 09:09:22 PM
And? :w00t:
Birds of Prey seem squishy on first go around or i just suck at PvP :lol:
Well, they were squishy. STAY CLOAKED DAMMIT
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 07, 2010, 03:28:42 AM
The Klingons have made it to the doorstep of Wolf 359!
:huh:
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 07, 2010, 12:24:10 PM
Lite Death is a requiste, I'm not paying 15$ a month to look at a 10 min timeclock before I can play again.
With that being said, wth is pricing scheme for this thing?
Then you'll like this game, if you die in either ground or space combat you have a 10 second cooldown then you are able to respawn at a save point like Beeb said.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 07, 2010, 11:36:22 PM
Quote from: katmai on January 07, 2010, 11:02:34 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 07, 2010, 09:09:22 PM
And? :w00t:
Birds of Prey seem squishy on first go around or i just suck at PvP :lol:
Well, they were squishy. STAY CLOAKED DAMMIT
It takes getting use to after flying in heavily shield Federations ships!
Quick pick of some beta testers flying around in task force for fleet actions.
and battle pic
Quote from: katmai on January 08, 2010, 02:19:52 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 07, 2010, 03:28:42 AM
The Klingons have made it to the doorstep of Wolf 359!
:huh:
It's in your screenshot, only 2.31 light years away. It's the second closest star to Earth IIRC, so that's really deep in Federation space.
Ah sorry for the confusion, Wolf 359 wasn't where I fought the Klingon TF. That fight was quite a bit away over by neutral zone.
That was just a pic so people could see the sector map that you fly on in between Systems.
Where's my damn beta key? :huh:
uh, no....?
Quote from: Caliga on January 08, 2010, 06:33:37 AM
uh, no....?
Then why would you expect to have a beta key? :huh:
oh wait nvm :shutup:
Quote from: Caliga on January 08, 2010, 06:36:45 AM
oh wait nvm :shutup:
I told you they said it would be sent between 8th and 10th. It's barely 6:30am on the 8th ya impatient git! :P
Quote from: katmai on January 08, 2010, 06:38:05 AM
Quote from: Caliga on January 08, 2010, 06:36:45 AM
oh wait nvm :shutup:
I told you they said it would be sent between 8th and 10th. It's barely 6:30am on the 8th ya impatient git! :P
Any extra beta keys to give to me? :goodboy:
Not atm, :P
As it is Starbright would get next one :P
Damn, I have to think about a ship name. USS Space Wolf, maybe.
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 08, 2010, 06:56:30 AM
Damn, I have to think about a ship name. USS Space Wolf, maybe.
I'm sure it will be better than Caliga and Captain Eo in the U.S.S. Doubledeez
HOW DO I GET INTO OPEN BETA?!!!
Step 1. Wait until Tuesday
Step 2. ...
Step 3. Profit
Quote from: katmai on January 08, 2010, 06:57:46 AM
I'm sure it will be better than Caliga and Captain Eo in the U.S.S. Doubledeez
I was actually thinking of going with USS Saline :cool:
Quote from: katmai on January 08, 2010, 06:57:46 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 08, 2010, 06:56:30 AM
Damn, I have to think about a ship name. USS Space Wolf, maybe.
I'm sure it will be better than Caliga and Captain Eo in the U.S.S. Doubledeez
:lol:
Or maybe USS Jimmy Carter
Maybe I'll do USS Hymen G Rickover. :showoff:
Quote from: Caliga on January 08, 2010, 09:07:35 AM
Maybe I'll do USS Hymen G Rickover. :showoff:
Somebody will complain about that one. :lol:
Other, semi serious choices include: USS Archerfish (or Archer-Fish), USS Nantahala, USS Blue Licks, USS Perryville, USS Shiloh, USS Chickmauga.
What are the specs necessary to play?
USS CLEVELAND STEAMBOAT
Katmai, time for the indepth preliminary report.
I think I will go with ACW battlefields.
Alright so let me tell you, half a day before leaving home for about 36 hours, I started downloading the beta client, following katmai's sound advice, and beside a couple of torrents, I left my computer alone.
I have just returned and I find: download stuck and stopped at 86%, EXACTLY at where I left it nearly two days ago. Fuck that.
Quote from: Berkut on January 08, 2010, 11:34:02 AM
I think I will go with ACW battlefields.
You can be: Ball's Bluff.
Actually I'm going to call my 1st ship the USS Le Téméraire.
It's probably not all that important to try and download the beta client now. The files I have are from a December 28th build. There will almost certainly be some changes for the beta build for the open beta.
The next question to decide is what kind of ship to play: cruiser, escort or science.
Is there a crafting system in this game?
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 08, 2010, 12:13:23 PM
Is there a crafting system in this game?
Supposedly, but I've seen few details.
I think it involves taking peices of random alien stuff you find and fixing them up into components for this or that.
So, cruiser is tank, escort is support, science is what?
Or cruiser is DPS, escort is tank?
Cruiser is tank, escort is DPS, science is... support.
I'm a little fuzzy on science. I think it has (depending on ship and your own build) debuff and maybe healing capabilities.
In beta I'll try all of them.
In Live, Tank probably.
Sigh, the more I hear about this, the more I suspect it will end up as WoW in space.
Tank? Are you kidding me?
I don't recall ships healing each other in any ST I have ever seen.
For me it'll depend on how much beta lags. If not, tank, if yes, support.
Quote from: Berkut on January 08, 2010, 12:41:18 PM
Sigh, the more I hear about this, the more I suspect it will end up as WoW in space.
Tank? Are you kidding me?
Well, hopefully its just player skills, and not that a cruiser will have less DPS than a frigate, for example
Quote from: Berkut on January 08, 2010, 12:41:18 PM
Sigh, the more I hear about this, the more I suspect it will end up as WoW in space.
Tank? Are you kidding me?
I don't recall ships healing each other in any ST I have ever seen.
It *is* going to be a lot like WoW in space. They are setting out to make a MMO, and are following a lot of the most successful modes of doing so.
For tank and DPS the model works pretty well for ship combat. The Cuiser/Tank (think Enterprise D) is a very large, tough ship that attracts a lot of attention and can take a lot of damage. The Escort/DPS (think Defiant) is smaller and can't take as much damage, but can dish out a ton.
As I said I'm a little fuzzy on the exact abilities of a science-type vessel (think Voyager). I know they can have tractor beams (slow enemy ships), can detect cloaked ships, can maybe cut through/lower enemy shields. I'm not sure they have any "healing" capability, but that could make sense in ST. Perhaps it's a "sheild regenerating field", or they can beam engineers over to assist in repairing ship systems.
It's confusing though since STO doesn't have exact 'classes', and is much more a skill-based game, so you can have all kinds of different combinations. There are classes of ships, but even that can greatly change based on the captain, the bridge officers, and the subsystems installed.
Quote from: Tamas on January 08, 2010, 12:42:21 PM
Quote from: Berkut on January 08, 2010, 12:41:18 PM
Sigh, the more I hear about this, the more I suspect it will end up as WoW in space.
Tank? Are you kidding me?
Well, hopefully its just player skills, and not that a cruiser will have less DPS than a frigate, for example
Why can't an MMO shake up the tank/healer/dps/buff/debuff paradigm? More importantly, why can't they ditch the basic strategy in every single MMO-type game of concentration of fire that leads to that paradigm?
Every single game boils down to getting the "bad guys" to focus on one target, and then keeping that target alive while everyone else kills the bad guys. BORING!
I would much rather see specialization in a very different way, especially in a space combat game. There needs to be some reason to not focus fire, for one. Declining damage as multiple targets engage the same target, due to sensor interference or something?
Specialization is good - tank/dps/healer specialization is tired.
1. Acastus
2. Admetus
3. Aethalides
4. Amphion
5. Ancaeus
6. Argus
7. Ascalaphus
8. Atalanta
9. Autolycus
10. Bellerophon
11. Butes
12. Calais
13. Canthus
14. Castor
15. Cytissorus
16. Echion
17. Erginus
18. Euphemus
19. Euryalus
20. Heracles/Hercules
21. Hylas
22. Idas
23. Idmon
24. Iolaus
25. Iphitos
26. Jason
27. Laertes
28. Laocoon
29. Lynceus
30. Medea
31. Melas
32. Meleager
33. Mopsus
34. Nestor
35. Oileus
36. Orpheus
37. Palaemon
38. Palaimonius
39. Peleus
40. Philoctetes
41. Phrontis
42. Poeas
43. Polydeuces (or Pollux)
44. Polyphemos
45. Poriclymenus
46. Talaus
47. Telamon
48. Theseus
49. Tiphys
50. Zetes
These were the Argonauts. There are some acceptable-or-better names there. Argonaut is itself a great name, of course, but will be taken.
Argos would be more appropriate, though.
Quote from: Berkut on January 08, 2010, 12:50:43 PM
Why can't an MMO shake up the tank/healer/dps/buff/debuff paradigm? More importantly, why can't they ditch the basic strategy in every single MMO-type game of concentration of fire that leads to that paradigm?
While I agree with you it'd be nice to see an entirely different paradigm, it'd be rather hard to do. And it's very unlikely on a "AAA" title, with what is likely a very expensive license for the Star Trek name. The problem with trying something completely new is it very often fails, whereas by following the tried and true you increase your chances of the game being "fun", even if derivative.
You have to look at smaller more independent companies to come up with the innovative new concepts. It's not going to be a Star Trek game.
But that being said, this game does break quite a bit of new ground. It's the only game (besides PotBS, which wasn't successful) to have both ship combat, and ground combat. It's one of very few space MMOs. This is a lot riskier than, say, Warhammer was, which followed very closely to the MMO standard.
Quote from: grumbler on January 08, 2010, 12:53:53 PM
These were the Argonauts. There are some acceptable-or-better names there. Argonaut is itself a great name, of course, but will be taken.
Would would someone name their ship after a second-rate CFL franchise? :huh:
Apparently because this is a single server, which will hopefully have 100,000s of players, ship names are not unique. I
think your registry number will be unique (as in NCC 176543), but I'm not certain.
Apparently because of this, and because the game is instanced (there might be multiple copies of, say, Sector 001 at the same time) the game will always try and not put you in an instance with a ship of the same name.
The more I read BB's posts the more I am thinking I might have to pre-order this.
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 08, 2010, 01:06:17 PM
The more I read BB's posts the more I am thinking I might have to pre-order this.
You should probably pay more attention to Katmai's posts than mine, since he's actually played the game. :P
I've just gotten all keyed up for this and have read as much as I could get my hands on.
Berkut, because no one has an any good idea of what that could be.
Quote from: Barrister on January 08, 2010, 01:01:10 PM
Quote from: Berkut on January 08, 2010, 12:50:43 PM
Why can't an MMO shake up the tank/healer/dps/buff/debuff paradigm? More importantly, why can't they ditch the basic strategy in every single MMO-type game of concentration of fire that leads to that paradigm?
While I agree with you it'd be nice to see an entirely different paradigm, it'd be rather hard to do.
Only because so few game developers actually develop games anymore - they jsut slap a new graphics model on the same game.
But it isn't THAT hard to do, especially when you are dealing with an evolving game like a MMO. You get lots of chances to tweak things, but you can only tweak so far, so you have to at least try to create a new foundation.
QuoteAnd it's very unlikely on a "AAA" title, with what is likely a very expensive license for the Star Trek name. The problem with trying something completely new is it very often fails, whereas by following the tried and true you increase your chances of the game being "fun", even if derivative.
The problem with never trying anything new is it limits your potential success.
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You have to look at smaller more independent companies to come up with the innovative new concepts. It's not going to be a Star Trek game.
it certainly could be - it's not like Cryptic is Blizzard or something -they are a small company in the overall scheme of things.
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But that being said, this game does break quite a bit of new ground. It's the only game (besides PotBS, which wasn't successful) to have both ship combat, and ground combat.
Doing two things in the exact same manner that they have already been done before is not "breaking new ground" by any definition of the term.
And when the "two" things are really just 1 thing with different graphics and a different environment (as this is looking to be - I could of course be wrong on this), then it *certainly* is not breaking new ground.
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It's one of very few space MMOs. This is a lot riskier than, say, Warhammer was, which followed very closely to the MMO standard.
And look how well Warhammer did in the long run. IN fact, I would argue that Warhammer was MUCH more innovative than this appears to be, since at least it is a game that is primarily focused on PvP combat, where the standard tank/healer/dps paradigm does not apply nearly as strictly.
What is frustrating about this is that you have a enw franchise, with a radically different environment than traditional sword and board MMO, and they look like they are going to just regurgitate the same old thing that evolved from Everquest. That is pathetic on a variety of different levels.
This is ship-ship combat, not person-person. The idea that it is reasonable to just transplant that same paradigm into space is setting the bar rather low.
I dunno Berkut - I can think of a lot of supposedly "innovative" games that fell flat on their face. MOO3. Vanguard. Spore. I think it's a lot harder than you'd give it credit for.
And Cryptic may not be as large as Blizzard, they're paying a whole heck of a lot of money for the Star Trek license. Which tends to promote rather conservative game design.
And Blizzard has never really done anything new and innovative. WoW followed Everquest pretty closely. Warcraft and Starcraft followed the RTS formula pretty closely. EA of course doesn't have an innovative bone in it's corporate body, and it's pretty successful.
But anyways - that is what the game is. I didn't make the game, so I'm not offended if you don't like it, or refuse to buy it.
Quote from: Barrister on January 08, 2010, 01:13:17 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 08, 2010, 01:06:17 PM
The more I read BB's posts the more I am thinking I might have to pre-order this.
You should probably pay more attention to Katmai's posts than mine, since he's actually played the game. :P
I've just gotten all keyed up for this and have read as much as I could get my hands on.
I would but he hasnt given me a good review yet.
It's hard to disagree with Berkut ascessment that Tank/Heal/DPS paradigm is rather boring & overdone by atleast 1000.
It's just that no one has any idea how else to make it work. How do we make individual players play together as a group without assigning them a role? If enemies attack all players at once, how do you increase difficulty of the encounters without making every player use exactly the same settings/items/etc?
Berkut do raise good points, but the question arises: do you want a competitive computer game? Yeah, you should be innovative on this market. Or, do you want an MMO giving the chance for people to immerse into the ST world? Then sadly, going the traditional MMO way is a far safer bet for success not just financially but also in achieving that objective.
If someone had a good way to break the traditional mold of MMOs in a financially successful way, they would not be posting it here. ;)
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 08, 2010, 01:41:25 PM
It's hard to disagree with Berkut ascessment that Tank/Heal/DPS paradigm is rather boring & overdone by atleast 1000.
It's just that no one has any idea how else to make it work. How do we make individual players play together as a group without assigning them a role? If enemies attack all players at once, how do you increase difficulty of the encounters without making every player use exactly the same settings/items/etc?
Aye. You want to promote people playing together. You want to promote people to have differentiated roles (and not have everyone identical), as it makes for more interesting gameplay.
Plus, the idea at least of 'concentrating fire' is one of the oldest and most basic combat techniques. You want to amass a lot of damage on the enemies weakest front.
And if you want Berkut, it does sound like ground combat will be fairly innovative. First there's a cover/expose system that I don't fully understand.
Second, and for the first time I've ever heard of in a MMO, there is: a pause button. :o
And even for space, it'll be significantly different from your typical MMO in that there's the third dimension, and everyone and everything is moving. I think it should be a lot more fluid, and reaction based, rather than a WoW encounter.
Quote from: Barrister on January 08, 2010, 01:04:41 PM
Would would someone name their ship after a second-rate CFL franchise? :huh:
Using the term "second rate" in the same sentence as "CFL" is redundent. :P
Quote from: Tamas on January 08, 2010, 01:43:44 PM
Berkut do raise good points, but the question arises: do you want a competitive computer game? Yeah, you should be innovative on this market. Or, do you want an MMO giving the chance for people to immerse into the ST world? Then sadly, going the traditional MMO way is a far safer bet for success not just financially but also in achieving that objective.
My beef is that by going with a combat mechanic that is grossly unsuited to space combat, it destroys the ST universe immersiveness.
hell, even the ship classes as described don't make any fucking sense from a grammatical perspective. Since when is an "escort" class ship a damage dealer? Do these people own dictionaries?
Quote from: Berkut on January 08, 2010, 02:09:35 PM
Quote from: Tamas on January 08, 2010, 01:43:44 PM
Berkut do raise good points, but the question arises: do you want a competitive computer game? Yeah, you should be innovative on this market. Or, do you want an MMO giving the chance for people to immerse into the ST world? Then sadly, going the traditional MMO way is a far safer bet for success not just financially but also in achieving that objective.
My beef is that by going with a combat mechanic that is grossly unsuited to space combat, it destroys the ST universe immersiveness.
hell, even the ship classes as described don't make any fucking sense from a grammatical perspective. Since when is an "escort" class ship a damage dealer? Do these people own dictionaries?
Yeah I agree but lets wait on katmai's take on this, he is the only one actually playing this.
Quote from: grumbler on January 08, 2010, 02:02:55 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 08, 2010, 01:04:41 PM
Would would someone name their ship after a second-rate CFL franchise? :huh:
Using the term "second rate" in the same sentence as "CFL" is redundent. :P
There are definitely some very classy, well, run, first rate franchises in the CFL. :mad:
It's just that the Argos aren't one of them.
Quote from: Berkut on January 08, 2010, 02:09:35 PM
Quote from: Tamas on January 08, 2010, 01:43:44 PM
Berkut do raise good points, but the question arises: do you want a competitive computer game? Yeah, you should be innovative on this market. Or, do you want an MMO giving the chance for people to immerse into the ST world? Then sadly, going the traditional MMO way is a far safer bet for success not just financially but also in achieving that objective.
My beef is that by going with a combat mechanic that is grossly unsuited to space combat, it destroys the ST universe immersiveness.
hell, even the ship classes as described don't make any fucking sense from a grammatical perspective. Since when is an "escort" class ship a damage dealer? Do these people own dictionaries?
I dunno - the Defiant seems like a perfect example of what is being described. Escort seems like as good a name for that role as any.
Quote from: Barrister on January 08, 2010, 02:25:59 PM
I dunno - the Defiant seems like a perfect example of what is being described. Escort seems like as good a name for that role as any.
"Escort" actually has a distinct meaning when referring to warships, though, and Defiant does not match that description.
I seem to recall something from the series that the term "escort" was simply applied to the Defiant class as a sort of political ruse, to allow the fiction that Starfleet was not massively increasing its strength by the addition of these vessels (deliberately calling offensive ships by a defensive ship title).
That would not seem to be an issue in the MMO ST world, so calling them "destroyers" or "frigates" would seem a better choice than "escort."
Quote from: Barrister on January 08, 2010, 02:25:59 PM
Quote from: Berkut on January 08, 2010, 02:09:35 PM
Quote from: Tamas on January 08, 2010, 01:43:44 PM
Berkut do raise good points, but the question arises: do you want a competitive computer game? Yeah, you should be innovative on this market. Or, do you want an MMO giving the chance for people to immerse into the ST world? Then sadly, going the traditional MMO way is a far safer bet for success not just financially but also in achieving that objective.
My beef is that by going with a combat mechanic that is grossly unsuited to space combat, it destroys the ST universe immersiveness.
hell, even the ship classes as described don't make any fucking sense from a grammatical perspective. Since when is an "escort" class ship a damage dealer? Do these people own dictionaries?
I dunno - the Defiant seems like a perfect example of what is being described. Escort seems like as good a name for that role as any.
No, it doesn't since its role is not to escort anything. This is, I realize, a very fine distinction, that a ship called an 'escort' ought to, in fact, escort things.
Now, if they created a combat system where there actually WAS a need for escorts for the cruiser or even capital ships, that would be pretty damn cool, in fact.
EVE has done a pretty decent job of creating a real space based combat system that is not based on a fantasy MMO paradigm. it can be done. The idea that it isn't possible is ludicrous, especially given that this is a known universse franchise, and that known universe does not include any examples of space combat that included ships healing one another, or "tanks".
Escort is a stupid name, indeed.
Damn, Berkut is on a roll today. Keep pointing out stuff we can all agree on.
Quote from: grumbler on January 08, 2010, 02:36:44 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 08, 2010, 02:25:59 PM
I dunno - the Defiant seems like a perfect example of what is being described. Escort seems like as good a name for that role as any.
"Escort" actually has a distinct meaning when referring to warships, though, and Defiant does not match that description.
I seem to recall something from the series that the term "escort" was simply applied to the Defiant class as a sort of political ruse, to allow the fiction that Starfleet was not massively increasing its strength by the addition of these vessels (deliberately calling offensive ships by a defensive ship title).
That would not seem to be an issue in the MMO ST world, so calling them "destroyers" or "frigates" would seem a better choice than "escort."
Well I'd have no problem with them calling ships in that role a frigate or destroyer. However if the Defiant was classed as an "escort" in the shows (no idea if it was or not) then that title would have the advantage of being true to Star Trek. I can not recall (but could easily be proven wrong) any use of the terms frigate or destroyer, at least in reference to starfleet.
Quote from: Berkut on January 08, 2010, 02:38:34 PM
No, it doesn't since its role is not to escort anything. This is, I realize, a very fine distinction, that a ship called an 'escort' ought to, in fact, escort things.
Now, if they created a combat system where there actually WAS a need for escorts for the cruiser or even capital ships, that would be pretty damn cool, in fact.
EVE has done a pretty decent job of creating a real space based combat system that is not based on a fantasy MMO paradigm. it can be done. The idea that it isn't possible is ludicrous, especially given that this is a known universse franchise, and that known universe does not include any examples of space combat that included ships healing one another, or "tanks".
It's role is to support capital ships. It would probably do poorly on its own, however when it 'escorts' other ships it can be formidable.
As for being a known universe, despite all the computer and board games dedicated to space combat, combat between vessels is an extremely minor component of the television shows. Even when such combat does take place it seems to revolve around typicaly gimmicky technobabble solutions (Enterprise lower's reliant's sheilds remotely, Enterprise modifies a solar probe to detect the cloaked Kliingon's exhaust), or it makes no effort at all to describe any strategy or technique, and is just a few shots of spaceships milling around and phasers filling the skies (almost any ship combat in DS9). In order to take that known universe and turn it into meaningful and consistent space combat does require some additions to the canon.
Now I don't know a lot about how Eve does space combat. So I'd love for Berkut to tell me what lessons could be learned from Eve. I do recognize however that Eve is designed very differently and so some of what Eve does wouldn't work all that well in STO (#1 being the serious death denalties in Eve, and the general lack of them in STO). Eve can get away with having an enormously powerful, but really expensive and rare ship for example, while that would be quite overpowering in STO.
Well, EVE is actually a poor comparison - the combat in EVE is totally designed around PvP, with the PvE aspect simply an afterthought. The death penalty in EVE is not that harsh at all - it is just whatever your ship costs - this can be very little, depending on what you are flying around in.
This is probably a mostly pointless argument though - we don't really know enough yet. So far though, I have been pretty dissapointedthat it seems so derivative, and derivative of a mechanic that doesn't even make sense in the ST canon.
And I disagree that we don't really know much about how combat works in ST - we know plenty. Certainly enough to know that ships don't "heal" one another for example, or that particular ships are designed to "hold aggro" and get beat on while other ships dish out damage.
Quote from: Barrister on January 08, 2010, 02:43:47 PM
Well I'd have no problem with them calling ships in that role a frigate or destroyer. However if the Defiant was classed as an "escort" in the shows (no idea if it was or not) then that title would have the advantage of being true to Star Trek. I can not recall (but could easily be proven wrong) any use of the terms frigate or destroyer, at least in reference to starfleet.
The series didn't use terms like "cruiser" or "battlecruiser" either. Those (and frigate and the like) were added by the Technical Manual.
Berkie-
The mistake people have been making is trying to shoehorn the three ship classes into the trinity of mmos.
From what i've seen* it's not so much the case here. Between your starting traits for race, choosing your branch and ability to choose what starship skills to focus on, not to mention pick any of the three ship classes can effect what your ship will do.
The classes pretty much have same amount of weapon slots, main difference being science will have one more Science BO, Escort one more tactical, etc.. and cruisers have a little bit more hull hp's, it comes down to your skills and the skills of your BO's you've assigned.
Tier 2 (Lieutenant Commander)
* Science (Nova/Aurora/Quasar)
o Weapons
+ 2 Forward
+ 2 Rear
o Modifications
+ 1 Tactical
+ 1 Engineering
+ 2 Science
o Bridge Officers
+ 1 Tactical Ensign
+ 1 Engineering Ensign
+ 1 Science Ensign
+ 1 Science Lieutenant
o Other
+ Crew: 100
+ Power bonus: +10 Aux
+ Hull Strength: 10000
+ Shield Strength: 3867
+ Inertia: 60
+ Turn rate: 11
+ Impulse modifier: .15
*
* Escort (Saber/Rapier/Ushaan)
o Weapons
+ 3 Forward
+ 1 Rear
o Modifications
+ 2 Tactical
+ 1 Engineering
+ 1 Science
o Bridge Officers
+ 1 Tactical Lieutenant
+ 1 Tactical Ensign
+ 1 Engineering Ensign
+ 1 Science Ensign
o Other
+ Crew: 50
+ Power bonus: +10 Weapons
+ Hull Strength: 11250
+ Shield Strength:
+ Inertia: 70
+ Turn rate: 16
+ Impulse modifier: .20
* Cruiser (Constitution/Excalibur/Vesper)
o Weapons
+ 2 Forward
+ 2 Rear
o Modifications
+ 1 Tactical
+ 2 Engineering
+ 1 Science
o Bridge Officers
+ 1 Tactical Ensign
+ 1 Engineering Lieutenant
+ 1 Engineering Ensign
+ 1 Science Ensign
o Other
+ Crew: 400
+ Power bonus: +5 All Systems
+ Hull Strength: 16250
+ Shield Strength:
+ Inertia: 40
+ Turn rate: 8
+ Impulse modifier: .15
Quote from: Barrister on January 08, 2010, 02:43:47 PM
Well I'd have no problem with them calling ships in that role a frigate or destroyer. However if the Defiant was classed as an "escort" in the shows (no idea if it was or not) then that title would have the advantage of being true to Star Trek.
If the Defiant was called an escort in order to conceal its true role in the show, then calling all ships with its true role (being a straight up combat ship that doesn't escort anything at all) would most certainly NOT be "true to Star Trek" at all.
You are arguing that since Spock said it would take three days to fix the Enterprise in ST2, then in fact it should always take three days to do so -
even though Spock was lying!Jesus, BB, quit being such an apologetic fanboix!
The Defiant was NOT an escort - which was the entire point of calling it an escort!
Quote from: Tamas on January 08, 2010, 08:57:32 AM
HOW DO I GET INTO OPEN BETA?!!!
They have said there will be keys for open beta besides pre-ordering, but limited supply. So i'd guess keep checking their forums to see about tie-ins from websites etc..
Quote from: grumbler on January 08, 2010, 03:13:39 PM
The series didn't use terms like "cruiser" or "battlecruiser" either. Those (and frigate and the like) were added by the Technical Manual.
Not quite true. The Enterprise was called a battlecruiser in Star Trek III. Other than that and the Defiant, the only "classified" ship that pops to mind is the Centaur, classified as a frigate.
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 08, 2010, 11:32:52 AM
Katmai, time for the indepth preliminary report.
Well they are still adding tons of stuff between now and the open beta so everything I say must have big qualification that it could change.
I'm enjoying it, but as it stands now the missions are 90/10% go here, face x amount of y ships, beam down to planet and rescue/repair/investigate planet.
A few missions yet that have non-combat resolution.
There really isn't a crafting system per se, what they have is the ability to scan anomalies and collect artifacts, you then take the 4/5 different types of artifacts to Memory Alpha and exchange them for upgrades from Federation Scientists.
They are expecting to have the Bridges and genesis system for planets running this weekend.
And again remember I have only made it halfway through lvl 6 of 50 so higher lvl stuff is all unknown to me so far.
Quote from: Berkut on January 08, 2010, 03:33:42 PM
Jesus, BB, quit being such an apologetic fanboix!
The Defiant was NOT an escort - which was the entire point of calling it an escort!
Do I come across as being an apologetic fanboi? I've said numerous times the game might suck.
I also said I have no idea what the Defiant was called in DS9. I don't remember any such thing about it being called an "escort" as part of some fabrication. If anyone would care to fill me in on the details I'm all ears.
So katmai, what are some of the abilities of science vessels (or science officers)?
Can they "heal" other vessels?
So what's the synopsis of this 34 page thread?
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on January 08, 2010, 04:50:38 PM
So what's the synopsis of this 34 page thread?
There's a new MMO based on Star Trek coming out.
:P
Has anybody here *played* it yet?
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on January 08, 2010, 04:54:39 PM
:P
Has anybody here *played* it yet?
Moneybags katmai got into the closed beta. He seemed to like it.
OPen beta starts next Tuesday. I should get access from my pre-order. AT least one other person has also pre-ordered.
Only Katmai so far.
Quote from: Barrister on January 08, 2010, 04:20:58 PM
So katmai, what are some of the abilities of science vessels (or science officers)?
Can they "heal" other vessels?
Not that i noticed yet, at lower lvl like i am i've noticed more along the lines of de-buffs. Tractor beams to hold ships so you can keep firing on exposed ships, tachyon beams to disrupt cloaked ships, etc...
Quote from: katmai on January 08, 2010, 05:00:37 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 08, 2010, 04:20:58 PM
So katmai, what are some of the abilities of science vessels (or science officers)?
Can they "heal" other vessels?
Not that i noticed yet, at lower lvl like i am i've noticed more along the lines of de-buffs. Tractor beams to hold ships so you can keep firing on exposed ships, tachyon beams to disrupt cloaked ships, etc...
Does that make you feel any better Berkut?
I'm pretty sure I read there was ground based healing. I read something that they tried to have such healing touch-based (that is the medic had to go right beside the injured player) but it just didn't work and they reluctantly introduced some form of ranged healing. Most healing was supposed to be done by hypos that officers would carry though.
I can see "healing" ships in that they beam over engineers to fix certain things on a friendly ship. They won't fix the haul, but they misht be able to raise the shield level, or provide temperary boosts to power that that you can have more power to your weapons. But that being the case they should only be able to do that one ship at a time.
Quote from: Syt on January 08, 2010, 01:01:03 PM
Argos would be more appropriate, though.
USS Raghib Ismail?
Quote from: Barrister on January 08, 2010, 05:33:12 PM
I'm pretty sure I read there was ground based healing.
Science officers or Science BO's can carry tricorders to heal, and yes if not science branch you have hypos.
Quote from: HVC on January 08, 2010, 05:41:59 PM
I can see "healing" ships in that they beam over engineers to fix certain things on a friendly ship. They won't fix the haul, but they misht be able to raise the shield level, or provide temperary boosts to power that that you can have more power to your weapons. But that being the case they should only be able to do that one ship at a time.
The shielding of ships and beaming of engineers falls under the cruiser iirc.
Kat's ship looks like a Taco truck
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 08, 2010, 06:37:30 PM
Quote from: Syt on January 08, 2010, 01:01:03 PM
Argos would be more appropriate, though.
USS Raghib Ismail?
:lol:
Wait till someone throws a frozen slurpee at it.
Quote from: DontSayBanana on January 08, 2010, 03:45:23 PM
Quote from: grumbler on January 08, 2010, 03:13:39 PM
The series didn't use terms like "cruiser" or "battlecruiser" either. Those (and frigate and the like) were added by the Technical Manual.
Not quite true. The Enterprise was called a battlecruiser in Star Trek III. Other than that and the Defiant, the only "classified" ship that pops to mind is the Centaur, classified as a frigate.
So what was added in the 1975 technical manual was used in the 1984 movie? Okay. What is "not quite true" about my statement, then? I admit that I am not up to date enough in my geekness to state that the Centaur was rated as a frigate, but I seem to recall that the concept of calling Star Fleet ship battlescruisers and dreadnoughts and stuff was added by the Tech Manual, in 1975.
Quote from: katmai on January 08, 2010, 05:00:37 PM
Not that i noticed yet, at lower lvl like i am i've noticed more along the lines of de-buffs. Tractor beams to hold ships so you can keep firing on exposed ships, tachyon beams to disrupt cloaked ships, etc...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03E68F6599Q&feature=related
:P
So grumbler, any chance you're going to join us in Star Trek Online?
Quote from: Berkut on January 08, 2010, 03:10:04 PM
And I disagree that we don't really know much about how combat works in ST - we know plenty. Certainly enough to know that ships don't "heal" one another for example, or that particular ships are designed to "hold aggro" and get beat on while other ships dish out damage.
In The Original series episode
Mudd's Women, the Enterprise expends it's dylithium crystals in an effort to extend it's deflector shield to Mudd's ship in the beginning of the episode to keep it safe in an asteroid belt while it's crew are beamed aboard the Enterprise. While not healing, this seems like something a healer type class would be able to do to give another ship longevity/hitpoints/protection at the cost of it's own power/mana/equivalent in short bursts and stay within established continuity.
Quote from: Barrister on January 08, 2010, 07:25:14 PM
So grumbler, any chance you're going to join us in Star Trek Online?
I would have played the free bit, just to hang with you guys online for a few days, but I have no real interest in MMORPGs in general (I played LOTRO when it was free, but stopped when that ran out). Nothing against this game or any other; the genre just isn't my cup of tea.
Thanks for asking, though. I will follow this with interest,* like the others.
*Interest in you guys, not the games.
Quote from: Judas Iscariot on January 08, 2010, 07:34:20 PM
In The Original series episode Mudd's Women, the Enterprise expends it's dylithium crystals in an effort to extend it's deflector shield to Mudd's ship in the beginning of the episode to keep it safe in an asteroid belt while it's crew are beamed aboard the Enterprise. While not healing, this seems like something a healer type class would be able to do to give another ship longevity/hitpoints/protection at the cost of it's own power/mana/equivalent in short bursts and stay within established continuity.
Okay, you got me: was this brilliant deliberate satire, or the nerdiest thing written in the thread so far?
Just finished downloading the client. :cool:
Woohoo, a login screen! :)
Quote from: grumbler on January 09, 2010, 07:40:23 AM
Quote from: Judas Iscariot on January 08, 2010, 07:34:20 PM
In The Original series episode Mudd's Women, the Enterprise expends it's dylithium crystals in an effort to extend it's deflector shield to Mudd's ship in the beginning of the episode to keep it safe in an asteroid belt while it's crew are beamed aboard the Enterprise. While not healing, this seems like something a healer type class would be able to do to give another ship longevity/hitpoints/protection at the cost of it's own power/mana/equivalent in short bursts and stay within established continuity.
Okay, you got me: was this brilliant deliberate satire, or the nerdiest thing written in the thread so far?
:lol: It's not my fault! I've been watching The Original Series for the first time the past few days via Netflix.
I don't usually do this but I agree with Berkut. Using the tank/dps/healer roles for starships is very very silly.
Quote from: grumbler on January 08, 2010, 07:17:21 PM
So what was added in the 1975 technical manual was used in the 1984 movie? Okay. What is "not quite true" about my statement, then? I admit that I am not up to date enough in my geekness to state that the Centaur was rated as a frigate, but I seem to recall that the concept of calling Star Fleet ship battlescruisers and dreadnoughts and stuff was added by the Tech Manual, in 1975.
I'm not arguing about where it originated; I'm just saying that yes, Constitution-class ships were called Battlecruisers in a fully canon source. That's all. IIRC, the Centaur's classification came from the
DS9TM, so you can pick or choose whether you want it to be canon or not.
Katmai, et al.
Start a separate thread and post your initial impressions that don't violate the NDA. I gots to know the down low about this.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 10, 2010, 09:42:20 AM
Katmai, et al.
Start a separate thread and post your initial impressions that don't violate the NDA. I gots to know the down low about this.
I'll do that after the EUIII MP today, I've only been putzing around the closed beta since Wed , and they have added about 3 gigs worth of stuff in that short time :P
Fuck NDAs, If I played I'd tell ya everything.
Quote from: katmai on January 10, 2010, 10:51:59 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 10, 2010, 09:42:20 AM
Katmai, et al.
Start a separate thread and post your initial impressions that don't violate the NDA. I gots to know the down low about this.
I'll do that after the EUIII MP today, I've only been putzing around the closed beta since Wed , and they have added about 3 gigs worth of stuff in that short time :P
:contract:
Tuesday can't get here soon enough. I'm embarrassed how jazzed I am for the game. :blush:
For those of us that downloaded the fileplanet closed beta version it's not at all clear if we can just patch that version, or if we need to reinstall the whole installer.
For what it's worth, I do not expect to actually be playing this on Tuesday. It sounds like the only access to be able to download/patch the game will start on Tuesday, so completing it will probably take a day or two.
Sorry I haven't played at all today, between playing the MP game and them dealing with server restarts as they keep updating content/quashing bugs.
The beta is suppose to start at 10am your time Beeb.
I do know in this weekend's build they bumped up default races to about 12 or so for Federation. They added so much that the devs were suggesting folks should re-roll even.
The biggest complaints I'm hearing (besides bugs in missions) is what is the point? Where is the endgame? As it doesn't have raids like most MMOs
I am looking forward to playing with you guys and hitting lvl 11 so i can see the 2nd tier of ships myself :D
I think the game will be a bit wonky at start, but willing to give Cryptic the chance to work on it.
Quote from: Barrister on January 10, 2010, 08:42:37 PM
For those of us that downloaded the fileplanet closed beta version it's not at all clear if we can just patch that version, or if we need to reinstall the whole installer.
For what it's worth, I do not expect to actually be playing this on Tuesday. It sounds like the only access to be able to download/patch the game will start on Tuesday, so completing it will probably take a day or two.
You can use that version just fine. I'd expect them to release whatever patch for open beta Mon night late (around 11pm-1am Pacific time)
Quote from: katmai on January 10, 2010, 08:45:13 PM
The biggest complaints I'm hearing (besides bugs in missions) is what is the point? Where is the endgame? As it doesn't have raids like most MMOs
I thought there were going to be "fleet actions" that were the end game equivalent to raids.
But perhaps they haven't been introduced yet.
And 12 races? Can you say what they all are? That's pretty badass if they have that many.
Apparently people who ordered direct from Atari bitched enough at the lack of any special pre-order bonus, so we now get 500 free "cryptic points".
I'm willing to bet a lot that most, if not all, of the pre-order bonuses eventually become available as 'microtransactions'.
Quote from: Barrister on January 10, 2010, 08:48:55 PM
Quote from: katmai on January 10, 2010, 08:45:13 PM
The biggest complaints I'm hearing (besides bugs in missions) is what is the point? Where is the endgame? As it doesn't have raids like most MMOs
I thought there were going to be "fleet actions" that were the end game equivalent to raids.
But perhaps they haven't been introduced yet.
And 12 races? Can you say what they all are? That's pretty badass if they have that many.
Well as the game is set up now the Borg and species 8472 are the two end game baddies, this i know to be true. let's see give me a min to log in and i give you the whole list :P
okay so federation races as of now*
Human
Andorian
Bajoran
Benzite
Betazoid
Bolian
Saurian
Trill
Vulcan
Klingon side
Klingon
Gorn
Lethean
Nausican
Orion
Ah 12, total, not 12 federation.
Gratzi.
Quote from: katmai on January 10, 2010, 09:02:07 PM
okay so federation races as of now*
Human
Andorian
Bajoran
Benzite
Betazoid
Bolian
Saurian
Trill
Vulcan
Stuck in the "B"s, huh?
Quote from: Barrister on January 10, 2010, 09:08:42 PM
Ah 12, total, not 12 federation.
Gratzi.
That could be different by Tues, as I said it was only 5 races in mid week.
Quote from: katmai on January 10, 2010, 09:20:52 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 10, 2010, 09:08:42 PM
Ah 12, total, not 12 federation.
Gratzi.
That could be different by Tues, as I said it was only 5 races in mid week.
Beyond Tellarite (and perhaps Ferengi) I can't think of too many that are missing.
Romulan?
Romulus is no more :contract:
And they are a disarrayed peoples. but you still face them in later game from what I've seen.
Why are the Klingons and Federation fighting?
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on January 10, 2010, 10:47:48 PM
Why are the Klingons and Federation fighting?
It's 30 years in the future (from ST: Nemesis). They invented a whole backstory to explain it.
Quote from: Barrister on January 10, 2010, 10:57:42 PM
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on January 10, 2010, 10:47:48 PM
Why are the Klingons and Federation fighting?
It's 30 years in the future (from ST: Nemesis). They invented a whole backstory to explain it.
Do you know what the basic backstory is? Is there some place to read about it?
Basically after the Romulans home world is destroyed by the SuperNova mentioned in the last Star Trek, the Klingons start reclaiming territory they had given up to Romulans. In the mid 2390's while also re conquering that territory they start a war vs the Gorn and their Nausican allies.
In the game you find out the reason is because members of species 8472 which were introduced in the Voyager TV series have been secretly impersonating high levels of all the Alpha quadrant races as they consider them a threat. When the Klingons bring this to the Federation, who at that time were still their allies (roughly in year 2400) they weren't satisfied with the Federations response and cut off diplomatic relations.
The Klingons become more isolationist and distrusting of all, in 2405 after requesting that Federation move off colonists from worlds bordering Klingon space they declare war on Federation.
Anybody else ever get upset when Scotty beamed all the tribbles onto the Klingon ship?
I mean, it's not like the Klingons were going to be humane with them.
I remember being very little, and that upset me very much.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 10, 2010, 11:29:19 PM
Anybody else ever get upset when Scotty beamed all the tribbles onto the Klingon ship?
I mean, it's not like the Klingons were going to be humane with them.
I remember being very little, and that upset me very much.
In the game if you have tribbles in your inventory along with food, they will multiple and eat all your food to boot :lol:
Alternate time-line. :yuk:
Quote from: Alcibiades on January 11, 2010, 12:15:15 AM
Alternate time-line. :yuk:
? No alternate timeline at all.
This is the timeline where Spock disappeared in 2387.
Quote from: Alcibiades on January 11, 2010, 12:15:15 AM
Alternate time-line. :yuk:
This is the main time line. :contract:
JJ Abrams is the alternate timeline.
Quote from: katmai on January 11, 2010, 12:17:08 AM
This is the timeline where Spock disappeared in 2387.
Didn't this and Romulus blowing up happen first in the last movie? I wish they would have just ignored everything in that.
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on January 11, 2010, 12:42:22 AM
Quote from: katmai on January 11, 2010, 12:17:08 AM
This is the timeline where Spock disappeared in 2387.
Didn't this and Romulus blowing up happen first in the last movie? I wish they would have just ignored everything in that.
? They detect SuperNova
Spock in a ship designed by Geordie Leforge (all this is in 4 part comic series that explained up to JJverse Star Trek) heads to try and contain it before it reaches Romulus, only to fail to reach it in time. He's attacked by Nero and then they are both sucked through the Black Hole and start the Alternate timeline.
In this game he just disappears in 2387 and Romulans are spread out through their portion of galaxy with infighting for leadership of the Romulans.
I know, I just wish they would just ignore everything in the events leading up to the reboot and move on with the old universe as if it never happened. They destroyed Romulus solely as a set up for rebooting the series as they were abandoning the old one.
I don't like Romulus destroyed.... Good faction to get rid of for no reason too. :sleep:
Quote from: katmai on January 11, 2010, 12:48:16 AM
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on January 11, 2010, 12:42:22 AM
Quote from: katmai on January 11, 2010, 12:17:08 AM
This is the timeline where Spock disappeared in 2387.
Didn't this and Romulus blowing up happen first in the last movie? I wish they would have just ignored everything in that.
? They detect SuperNova
Spock in a ship designed by Geordie Leforge (all this is in 4 part comic series that explained up to JJverse Star Trek) heads to try and contain it before it reaches Romulus, only to fail to reach it in time. He's attacked by Nero and then they are both sucked through the Black Hole and start the Alternate timeline.
In this game he just disappears in 2387 and Romulans are spread out through their portion of galaxy with infighting for leadership of the Romulans.
That's crap! The Romulans are black hole experts, they don't need Spock's help.
Quote from: Alcibiades on January 11, 2010, 01:14:24 AM
I don't like Romulus destroyed.... Good faction to get rid of for no reason too. :sleep:
The Romulans are no more destroyed by the destruction of Romulus than the Klingons were destroyed by the destruction of Praxis. :nerd:
They're just... distracted at the moment.
Quote from: Barrister on January 11, 2010, 01:28:36 AM
Quote from: Alcibiades on January 11, 2010, 01:14:24 AM
I don't like Romulus destroyed.... Good faction to get rid of for no reason too. :sleep:
The Romulans are no more destroyed by the destruction of Romulus than the Klingons were destroyed by the destruction of Praxis. :nerd:
They're just... distracted at the moment.
But....how much of the population was killed eh?
Quote from: Alcibiades on January 11, 2010, 02:00:06 AM
Quote from: Barrister on January 11, 2010, 01:28:36 AM
Quote from: Alcibiades on January 11, 2010, 01:14:24 AM
I don't like Romulus destroyed.... Good faction to get rid of for no reason too. :sleep:
The Romulans are no more destroyed by the destruction of Romulus than the Klingons were destroyed by the destruction of Praxis. :nerd:
They're just... distracted at the moment.
But....how much of the population was killed eh?
Lots. But when did that ever stop someone in Sci Fi?
I'm willing to bet the Cardassians will be back too, no matter the destruction of their planet in the Dominion Wars.
Oh my I didn't realize it was Destroyed. :weep:
For some odd reason I like the Cardassians.... Especially their ships. :hide:
Cardassians seemed a bit like WW2 Germans in space. Individually mostly rather nice folks, but as a society militaristic, ruthless oppressors.
Quote from: Alcibiades on January 11, 2010, 02:15:41 AM
Oh my I didn't realize it was Destroyed. :weep:
For some odd reason I like the Cardassians.... Especially their ships. :hide:
I always liked the Cardassians. They lacked whatever 'coolness' the Romulans or the Klingon possessed. Instead they were just good people doing bad things. There was something refreshing about that for sci fi,
Quote from: Syt on January 11, 2010, 02:18:54 AM
Cardassians seemed a bit like WW2 Germans in space. Individually mostly rather nice folks, but as a society militaristic, ruthless oppressors.
Something like that. They didn't overpower the nazi aspect, but they were definitely outer space fascists.
Cardassians are in the game, from what i've heard their area is for about lvl 20-30 or so.
I want to pilot a Galor, what expansion can I do that, huh?! :menace:
Couple of points:
-it is good they add so much so late, but that also mean this will be yet another rushed-out MMO. At least they are working heavily on patching it up.
-I don't get the 'tards who are crying for end-game content days after they started playing. I don't get how powergaming yourself to the very end of the game ASAFP can be the chief objective in an MMO.
Quote from: Tamas on January 11, 2010, 02:40:55 AM
Couple of points:
-it is good they add so much so late, but that also mean this will be yet another rushed-out MMO. At least they are working heavily on patching it up.
-I don't get the 'tards who are crying for end-game content days after they started playing. I don't get how powergaming yourself to the very end of the game ASAFP can be the chief objective in an MMO.
I agree with you on both counts. I get a chuckle from all these folks complaining they spent 8 hours playing and still hadn't hit lvl x1 and new ship.
Quote from: Syt on January 11, 2010, 02:18:54 AM
Cardassians seemed a bit like WW2 Germans in space. Individually mostly rather nice folks, but as a society militaristic, ruthless oppressors.
Cardassians seem too inept to be Space Germans
No idea Alci,
from scuttlebutt the first added group will be Romulans.
Woo got my pre-order bonus from Amazon, but Caliga i need to clarify that if i give it to someone else i'm not losing the bonus, once i do that I'll pass it along to ya.
Quote from: Alcibiades on January 11, 2010, 02:15:41 AM
Oh my I didn't realize it was Destroyed. :weep:
For some odd reason I like the Cardassians.... Especially their ships. :hide:
I don't think it was destroyed, though the Jem H'dar (spelling?) killed 800 million before their orbital bombardment was stopped IIRC.
Quote from: Barrister on January 11, 2010, 02:04:34 AM
Quote from: Alcibiades on January 11, 2010, 02:00:06 AM
Quote from: Barrister on January 11, 2010, 01:28:36 AM
Quote from: Alcibiades on January 11, 2010, 01:14:24 AM
I don't like Romulus destroyed.... Good faction to get rid of for no reason too. :sleep:
The Romulans are no more destroyed by the destruction of Romulus than the Klingons were destroyed by the destruction of Praxis. :nerd:
They're just... distracted at the moment.
But....how much of the population was killed eh?
Lots. But when did that ever stop someone in Sci Fi?
I'm willing to bet the Cardassians will be back too, no matter the destruction of their planet in the Dominion Wars.
Even if they lost 5-10 billion, surely they have at least another 100 billion Romulans spread our over their empire. It's bad, but the Soviets had worse and bounced back. As long as they've avoided conflict in the last 20 some years they should be fine.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 11, 2010, 03:14:47 AM
Quote from: Alcibiades on January 11, 2010, 02:15:41 AM
Oh my I didn't realize it was Destroyed. :weep:
For some odd reason I like the Cardassians.... Especially their ships. :hide:
I don't think it was destroyed, though the Jem H'dar (spelling?) killed 800 million before their orbital bombardment was stopped IIRC.
Yeah, that's what I read on the wikeh.
O cant wait to try this out :)
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on January 11, 2010, 02:47:46 AM
Quote from: Syt on January 11, 2010, 02:18:54 AM
Cardassians seemed a bit like WW2 Germans in space. Individually mostly rather nice folks, but as a society militaristic, ruthless oppressors.
Cardassians seem too inept to be Space Germans
Right, because the Kaiser and Adolph got it all right.
Quote from: katmai on January 11, 2010, 03:11:41 AM
Woo got my pre-order bonus from Amazon, but Caliga i need to clarify that if i give it to someone else i'm not losing the bonus, once i do that I'll pass it along to ya.
:cool:
I thought I had my ship choice I'll figured out. Cruiser but now, Dervish looks so attractive.
Quote from: katmai on January 11, 2010, 03:11:41 AM
Woo got my pre-order bonus from Amazon, but Caliga i need to clarify that if i give it to someone else i'm not losing the bonus, once i do that I'll pass it along to ya.
I'm pretty sure you do lose it kat. Unlike the Admiral's uniform code, the pre-order codes are unique.
Quote from: katmai on January 10, 2010, 08:45:13 PM
The biggest complaints I'm hearing (besides bugs in missions) is what is the point? Where is the endgame? As it doesn't have raids like most MMOs
This just started looking better to me. The thing I hate most about MMOs is the rush to get to the end game where all you do is sit around waiting for your party to form for a instance and then have a key tank or healer not show up so the whole thing gets scrubed.
If the whole purpose of this game is to just play through the game and not to rush to do a couple instances repeatedly then this has some promise.
edit: It gets better and better. The Klingons and the Federation are fighting again. I am really interested now.
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 11, 2010, 01:07:00 PM
This just started looking better to me. The thing I hate most about MMOs is the rush to get to the end game where all you do is sit around waiting for your party to form for a instance and then have a key tank or healer not show up so the whole thing gets scrubed.
It drives me crazy too. I like levelling, I like exploring.
But there will always be people who are trying to "win" the game, which means get to max level as fast as possible. And to keep people on the MMO treadmill you do have to make sure there's always something to do. But I certainly won't worry if I don't become an Admiral for a really long time.
Quote from: Barrister on January 11, 2010, 11:40:38 AM
Quote from: katmai on January 11, 2010, 03:11:41 AM
Woo got my pre-order bonus from Amazon, but Caliga i need to clarify that if i give it to someone else i'm not losing the bonus, once i do that I'll pass it along to ya.
I'm pretty sure you do lose it kat. Unlike the Admiral's uniform code, the pre-order codes are unique.
Yes but the code with the actual item comes from the the retail key, this key is suppose to be for open beta/headstart.
Waiting to hear back from cryptic as i wrote them an e-mail.
Quote from: katmai on January 11, 2010, 01:54:58 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 11, 2010, 11:40:38 AM
Quote from: katmai on January 11, 2010, 03:11:41 AM
Woo got my pre-order bonus from Amazon, but Caliga i need to clarify that if i give it to someone else i'm not losing the bonus, once i do that I'll pass it along to ya.
I'm pretty sure you do lose it kat. Unlike the Admiral's uniform code, the pre-order codes are unique.
Yes but the code with the actual item comes from the the retail key, this key is suppose to be for open beta/headstart.
Waiting to hear back from cryptic as i wrote them an e-mail.
Oh, those. Yeah, I
think there are separate codes for the open beta, then for the pre-order goodies, but I'm not positive. I did see several people mention that for the Joined Trill in particular, the headstart wasn't very helpful as we wouldn't get the pre-order goodies until February 2nd by way of an email.
When does the early start arrive? I am not sure I want to spend time in the open beta but getting some pre-order goodies seems to have some advantages.
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 11, 2010, 02:01:35 PM
When does the early start arrive? I am not sure I want to spend time in the open beta but getting some pre-order goodies seems to have some advantages.
The Friday or Saturday before the official Tuesday launch.
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 11, 2010, 02:01:35 PM
When does the early start arrive? I am not sure I want to spend time in the open beta but getting some pre-order goodies seems to have some advantages.
Open beta is 1.12.10-1.26.10
Head start is 1.29.10-2.2.10
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 11, 2010, 02:01:35 PM
When does the early start arrive? I am not sure I want to spend time in the open beta but getting some pre-order goodies seems to have some advantages.
Beyond the cosmetic uniforms, the only two pre orders that supposedly are worth something after first 10 lvls is the borg bridge officer(amazon.com orders) or joined trill(digital deluxe downloads from steam, D2D and gamestop)
Quote from: katmai on January 11, 2010, 02:05:33 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 11, 2010, 02:01:35 PM
When does the early start arrive? I am not sure I want to spend time in the open beta but getting some pre-order goodies seems to have some advantages.
Beyond the cosmetic uniforms, the only two pre orders that supposedly are worth something after first 10 lvls is the borg bridge officer(amazon.com orders) or joined trill(digital deluxe downloads from steam, D2D and gamestop)
I dunno - the red matter device sounded cool for your CE.
Quote from: katmai on January 11, 2010, 02:05:33 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 11, 2010, 02:01:35 PM
When does the early start arrive? I am not sure I want to spend time in the open beta but getting some pre-order goodies seems to have some advantages.
Beyond the cosmetic uniforms, the only two pre orders that supposedly are worth something after first 10 lvls is the borg bridge officer(amazon.com orders) or joined trill(digital deluxe downloads from steam, D2D and gamestop)
I was going to go with either D2D or Steam.
Yeah, I can't decide which of the two I want either. :rolleyes:
D2D.
Just because you wont have to start Steam each time too.
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 11, 2010, 02:44:24 PM
D2D.
Just because you wont have to start Steam each time too.
This.
Despite the fact that a MMO by definition has it's own security features, if you buy through Steam you'll always have to have Steam running in order to play.
Good point. D2D it is then.
It would be a good point, if it wasn't false.
I've bought plenty of games through Steam that do not require Steam to be running to play.
Woops bad read, I'm stuck between the Joined Trill and the borg bridge officer. :Embarrass:
Quote from: Berkut on January 11, 2010, 02:54:48 PM
It would be a good point, if it wasn't false.
I've bought plenty of games through Steam that do not require Steam to be running to play.
When I bought Fallen Earth through Steam, Steam did have to play and I had no end of trouble with that. Eventually someone here told me a work around. I never did get it running properly.
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 11, 2010, 03:12:25 PM
Quote from: Berkut on January 11, 2010, 02:54:48 PM
It would be a good point, if it wasn't false.
I've bought plenty of games through Steam that do not require Steam to be running to play.
When I bought Fallen Earth through Steam, Steam did have to play and I had no end of trouble with that. Eventually someone here told me a work around. I never did get it running properly.
It may be the case that some games from Steam require you to have Steam running. It is *certainly* the case that not all game bought from Steam require you to have Steam running.
I do not know for certain that STO will fall into the latter category, but considering how MMO work as far as updating and connecting to servers, I would be *very* surprised if that was not the case.
I just wished they would tell how we're suppose to get Open beta keys without having pre-ordered.
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 11, 2010, 03:54:45 PM
I just wished they would tell how we're suppose to get Open beta keys without having pre-ordered.
If you figure it out, report it ASAP
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 11, 2010, 03:54:45 PM
I just wished they would tell how we're suppose to get Open beta keys without having pre-ordered.
I don't think you're supposed to get open beta keys without pre-ordering. :mellow:
Quote from: Barrister on January 11, 2010, 04:17:03 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 11, 2010, 03:54:45 PM
I just wished they would tell how we're suppose to get Open beta keys without having pre-ordered.
I don't think you're supposed to get open beta keys without pre-ordering. :mellow:
Then they are lieying, this is not an Open beta. I don't see how they are going to properly test their systems without handing out free keys. There probably isn't enough pre-orders.
I don't mind pre-ordering, I just don't want to do it before Saturday.
Well maybe they'll see how it goes after Tuesday.
Honestly I've only ever gotten this geeked over a MMO (where I followed the forums, pre-ordered, etc.) once before for LOTRO. I don't know if most games open beta is truly open, or just a pre-order bonus / stress test.
I am slightly disappointed at this point however about the open beta process. The official forums are of course awash in nerd rage, but they have a point: it starts tomorrow (supposedly), but there's nary an official word on what time, how to download the client, etc.
When I purchased by digital download it game me a link (www.startrekonline.com/download) that didn't go anywhere - it just redirected to the STO homepage!
Eh - we'll see how it goes. It is only beta, and it's oly the release I should really worry about.
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 11, 2010, 04:49:03 PM
Then they are lieying, this is not an Open beta. I don't see how they are going to properly test their systems without handing out free keys. There probably isn't enough pre-orders.
Isnt there a way to stress test their system by adjusting for the amount of players they do have? In other words, if the only way they can properly test before launch is to have all the players on that will be playing at launch then isnt it impossible to test before launch?
That's pretty much it. That's mainly why all MMOs have poor launches. You have to stress test with tens of thousands of players.
Katmai, I think I found your answer in the pre-order Q&A thread pinned in the developers forum.
QuoteCan you tell us if the pre-order codes are the same as the retail cd key codes, is it just the one code?
They're different codes. The pre-order ones get you into open beta and the head start. The retail keys provide the extra stuff.
if, it's 2 codes can someone buy multiple copies of the game, stack the different pre-orders, on their account, then pass the other cd keys on to their friends/family to use without the pre-order items?
No, unfortunately the items are connected to the retail key. So you couldn't pass it on to someone else.
BY the way, a different FAQ acknowledged it was possible that pre-order goodies may well be available by way of the "Cryptic store" later on.
Looks like their forum server just crashed. Does not bode well.
Ok, their site is back up.
Here is the FAQ on the background. Notice Ferengi is in. I fear I am getting BBitis as the more I read about this the better it sounds.
QuoteThe game takes place in the classical timeline, not in that of the 2009 movie. [Source]
The game takes place in 2409; roughly 30 years after Star Trek: Nemesis.
The Khitomer Accords are "long past". [LVWc] The Federation and the Klingons are at the verge of war with each other.
Gorn, Nausicaans and Orion are on the Klingon side. [CZ4] Humans, Vulcans, Bajorans, Andorians, Ferengi, and Tellarites are playable Federation races. [GI186]
An ancient threat out of Star Trek canon will reemerge. [GCI08]
On top of being at war with the Federation, the Klingon Empire has annexed Romulan space, reclaiming Khitomer, and apparently entering into hostilities with the Gorn Hegemony.
The Romulan Empire is crumbling, as is the Cardassian Union. Romulus and Remus have been destroyed in an event that also killed the contemporary Praetor along with the ruling council of the Senate.
Bajor is on the way to Federation membership.
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 11, 2010, 05:41:03 PM
Looks like their forum server just crashed. Does not bode well.
Meh - a forum server doesn't need to be designed for anywhere near the same loads as their game server. WoW's forum servers have gone a number of times for example (usually, like for STO, when the game is down and people want to know what's happening).
Tamas and foxy,
they have said there will be a link on the STO frontpage starting tomorrow i think to apply for open beta for those who don't pre-order.
One nice thing is I got a higher internal access speed this weekend (6 instead of 3) so downloading this puppy from D2D tonight should, hopefully, go faster.
Hey Grey Fox and Tamas, the link to apply to open beta is now up on the STO website frontpage.
Or not, the graphic says join open beta, but when you click it says not accepting anymore closed beta apps, but keep checking for them to update it :P
Finally some updates! So far only pre-order keys are accepter but it does bode well.
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 11, 2010, 07:43:44 PM
Finally some updates! So far only pre-order keys are accepter but it does bode well.
Oh and Open beta starts at 1pm your time not 2 like i was saying. :blush:
Damn, I'll still be at work tho :s
I decided to get the open beta client from fileplanet in the meantime, Holy hell batman, this is going to take a while.
http://www.startrekonline.com/factions (http://www.startrekonline.com/factions)
It would seem Cardassians and Romulans are both up next for content.
Downloading now but only at about 645 kbs instead of 6m so it will take about 3 hours.
Got my open beta password in the D2D email as well so I will be ready to nerd out tomorrow.
We can start downloading???!!! :w00t:
if want to coordinate at all tomorrow night after you guys have done tutorial let me know. :P
Quote from: katmai on January 11, 2010, 08:12:01 PM
if want to coordinate at all tomorrow night after you guys have done tutorial let me know. :P
sure about 8 or so?
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 11, 2010, 08:14:28 PM
Quote from: katmai on January 11, 2010, 08:12:01 PM
if want to coordinate at all tomorrow night after you guys have done tutorial let me know. :P
sure about 8 or so?
sounds about the time they should have servers back up after the rush of people trying to log in at 10am :lol:
I'm getting 50kbs from Fileplanet.
Link to the manual to read while waiting for download grey fox :P
http://www.startrekonline.com/manual (http://www.startrekonline.com/manual)
:lol:
Don't have access to it.
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 11, 2010, 08:30:33 PM
:lol:
Don't have access to it.
ah guess you need to have entered key to see it sorry :P
Oh and CC,
per the instructions from Cryptic I uninstalled the closed beta client and dl'd open beta client from D2D and only getting 400kb.
Just to make you feel better :P
Well when I fire up the launcher I now get "Account error - please contact Billing Support". Which I assume is because OB isn't running yet.
I can see the manual though.
:shifty:
Quote from: katmai on January 11, 2010, 08:45:55 PM
Oh and CC,
per the instructions from Cryptic I uninstalled the closed beta client and dl'd open beta client from D2D and only getting 400kb.
Just to make you feel better :P
fool. :P
Quote from: Barrister on January 11, 2010, 08:46:25 PM
Well when I fire up the launcher I now get "Account error - please contact Billing Support". Which I assume is because OB isn't running yet.
I can see the manual though.
:shifty:
:thumbsup:
Quote from: Barrister on January 11, 2010, 08:46:41 PM
fool. :P
What?
they asked all closed beta folks to do it.
I have : Pre-Ordered.
Rent be damned!
Direct2Drive
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 11, 2010, 09:00:04 PM
Direct2Drive
if still trying to download from FP might want to restart at d2d for better speeds?
Oh yeah.
Well, you're a FB subscriber, I don't think theres a difference.
finished making super. Now I will read the manual to while I wait for everyone to get home.
Thanks for the link Katmai.
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 11, 2010, 09:04:09 PM
Oh yeah.
Well, you're a FB subscriber, I don't think theres a difference.
CC isn't and he is getting faster speeds than me. :P
Quote from: katmai on January 11, 2010, 09:15:20 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 11, 2010, 09:04:09 PM
Oh yeah.
Well, you're a FB subscriber, I don't think theres a difference.
CC isn't and he is getting faster speeds than me. :P
I'm getting 450 from my d2d download.
Gawd, I miss having a 2mb down speed.
Hey Katmai, tell me it's like Champions Online & I can remap all the controls?
Please.
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 11, 2010, 09:27:40 PM
Hey Katmai, tell me it's like Champions Online & I can remap all the controls?
Please.
i think you can, but didn't try it myself
I'd hate to have to use WASDQE
:bleeding:
Quote from: katmai on January 11, 2010, 08:00:36 PM
http://www.startrekonline.com/factions (http://www.startrekonline.com/factions)
It would seem Cardassians and Romulans are both up next for content.
I hope their writing gets better than this :lol:
QuoteThey call themselves the United Federation of Planets. In reality, they're the United Federation of nosy, gossipy, meddlesome do-gooders!
:cry:
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 11, 2010, 09:27:40 PM
Hey Katmai, tell me it's like Champions Online & I can remap all the controls?
Please.
The info says you can remap everything.
Also this is cool
QuoteIssuing orders to your away team in a phaser fight can be difficult to manage with everything else going on! You can briefly pause the action by pressing the "T" key while you are on an away mission if no other players are in the map with you. While the action is paused, you can issue orders to your away team, and queue up powers for them to use. However, you only have a short amount of time to do this, and once that time is used up, it will take a little while for this ability to recharge.
yeah it gives you :45 pause if soloing ground content.
I am hooked. But will wait a few days before I preorder. Maybe by the 15th things will be smoother.
Trill officer is the bonus I want.
Then make sure to do a digital Deluxe download. :)
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 11, 2010, 06:00:32 PM
Ok, their site is back up.
Here is the FAQ on the background. Notice Ferengi is in. I fear I am getting BBitis as the more I read about this the better it sounds.
QuoteThe game takes place in the classical timeline, not in that of the 2009 movie. [Source]
Gorn, Nausicaans and Orion are on the Klingon side. [CZ4]
On top of being at war with the Federation, the Klingon Empire has annexed Romulan space, reclaiming Khitomer, and apparently entering into hostilities with the Gorn Hegemony.
So, which is it?
I am installed and ready to go...
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 11, 2010, 11:36:28 PM
I am installed and ready to go...
Lucky bum.
And they beat the Gorn Timmay.
I don't see anything about pricing anywhere. Is this going to be the standard ~$15 a month, or is this going to be like Guild Wars where you just buy the game and expansions? I'd get it if it's the Guild Wars type, but I'm not sure I can justify spending $45 a month ( :ph34r: ) on internet spaceships.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 11, 2010, 11:42:06 PM
I don't see anything about pricing anywhere. Is this going to be the standard ~$15 a month, or is this going to be like Guild Wars where you just buy the game and expansions?
Monthly fee. Just not set yet.
Pretty sure it will be standard $14.99 per month
with discounts if you buy in 6 months blocks etc...
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 11, 2010, 11:44:31 PM
Monthly fee. Just not set yet.
Quote from: katmaiPretty sure it will be standard $14.99 per month
with discounts if you buy in 6 months blocks etc...
Oh okay. Thanks guys.
You can buy time cards on Amazon for $30. $15 per month is all but announced.
Doesn't sound like the Klingons are developed very well...
And MBM - why two Eve accounts?
Quote from: Alcibiades on January 12, 2010, 12:29:33 AM
Doesn't sound like the Klingons are developed very well...
The Klingons are designed as a PvP faction. They have a few PvE scenarios, but mostly it's intended you'll PvP for most of your experience.
For good or bad, they were never intended as a faction equal to the Federation.
Heh - my launcher is now patching.
Only a 2.5 GB patch.
But that's a good thing since it's my fileplanet CB launcher, and there was always a small risk the game would tell me to start from scratch.
Quote from: Barrister on January 12, 2010, 12:29:46 AM
And MBM - why two Eve accounts?
I have two eve accounts, and so does CDM. One for pvp, one for making money and mining... :sleep:
Quote from: Barrister on January 12, 2010, 12:29:46 AM
And MBM - why two Eve accounts?
One (the main) for fun, scouting, and hauling, the other for not fun (mining), jihading or stealth bombing, and sitting in a capital ship 24/7 ready to jump wherever the hell. Three players per account in Eve, and you can only train skills on one per acct.
Eve kinda sucks like that.
QuoteI have two eve accounts, and so does CDM. One for pvp, one for making money and mining... :sleep:
Yeah. Berkut has at least a couple, and vM has a whole fleet of alts.
Damn, I am reminded yet again that Eve = serious business.
Yeah, no way I'm paying for a third. I second guess two accounts every once in a while!
Quote from: Alcibiades on January 12, 2010, 12:45:23 AM
Yeah, no way I'm paying for a third. I second guess two accounts every once in a while!
Same. It's too bad really. I was kinda looking forward to nerding it up in a Star Trek game. Oh well. BACK TO THE SPREADSHEETS
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 12, 2010, 12:47:27 AM
Quote from: Alcibiades on January 12, 2010, 12:45:23 AM
Yeah, no way I'm paying for a third. I second guess two accounts every once in a while!
Same. It's too bad really. I was kinda looking forward to nerding it up in a Star Trek game. Oh well. BACK TO THE SPREADSHEETS
Hunt around, there's a fair chance you can at least get an open beta account. Then see if you like it.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 12, 2010, 12:47:27 AM
Same. It's too bad really. I was kinda looking forward to nerding it up in a Star Trek game. Oh well. BACK TO THE SPREADSHEETS
Just train your miner for a dread. You don't need a dedicated Dred pilot. :yuk:
Quote from: Barrister on January 12, 2010, 12:49:22 AM
Hunt around, there's a fair chance you can at least get an open beta account. Then see if you like it.
I'll probably just end up waiting until it's released and firing up whatever they have for a trial account and checking it out then.
The thing is, I actually find Eve to be pretty fun (although I take regular breaks from it), so I'm not going to cancel/pause any accounts in favor of this one unless it's just exceptional. Better to wait for the launch bugs to be ironed out, etc, before giving it it's shot.
I'll definitely try it in a little while though.
QuoteJust train your miner for a dread. You don't need a dedicated Dred pilot. :yuk:
I do if the dread pilot is going to be in Goonfleet (he is). I don't like having to sneak around avoiding wardecs and shit in my miner. The damn jihadis and whatever copycats are around are bad enough.
I'll probably end up with a pair of dread pilots, since the main is only a couple of skills away from hopping into a dread as it is and I'm sure I'll finally cave and train them at some point. :nerd:
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 12, 2010, 12:56:34 AM
I do if the dread pilot is going to be in Goonfleet (he is). I don't like having to sneak around avoiding wardecs and shit in my miner. The damn jihadis and whatever copycats are around are bad enough.
I'll probably end up with a pair of dread pilots, since the main is only a couple of skills away from hopping into a dread as it is and I'm sure I'll finally cave and train them at some point. :nerd:
:yucky:
Ten Ton Hammer promises free OB keys:
http://www.tentonhammer.com/node/79119
Quote from: Barrister on January 08, 2010, 04:20:58 PM
So katmai, what are some of the abilities of science vessels (or science officers)?
Can they "heal" other vessels?
Wouldn't that be an engineering skill?
Quote from: Barrister on January 12, 2010, 01:28:38 AM
Ten Ton Hammer promises free OB keys:
http://www.tentonhammer.com/node/79119
Looks like I got one, thanks Beeb. :Cheers:
Now to even begin trying to download the client.... :lol:
2 hours waiting on fileplanet to even start so far :D
Glad it at least sort of worked Alci.
And we're all stuck DL'ing at one point or another.
It's almost too bad I have curling tomorrow night and won't be able to play for long. I say almost because I have my doubts that between server crashes and long downloads I'd actually be able to log in tomorrow. :hmm:
I'm trying to think of some kind of ridiculous character to make as my beta toon...
Yeah, from how GF said it was I doubt I'll be done downloading by tomorrow night, that is if I can start tonight, hopefully.
Down to 36/660 after 2 1/2 hours :cool:
My patching of the launcher is going... okay. After a couple of hours I'm at 40% complete. However I fear another patch after this one.
Kat - you should send me your fileplanet info so I can download this in under 3 days.... :secret:
No...seriously. <_<
Err... when I downloaded from fileplanet, the downloader was very small, under 50 MB. It then forced a download from Cryptic of 8gb+, which took two days.
Quote from: Alcibiades on January 12, 2010, 02:29:22 AM
Kat - you should send me your fileplanet info so I can download this in under 3 days.... :secret:
No...seriously. <_<
how fast is it :P
Quote from: Barrister on January 12, 2010, 02:31:00 AM
Err... when I downloaded from fileplanet, the downloader was very small, under 50 MB. It then forced a download from Cryptic of 8gb+, which took two days.
Huh both of the downloads i'm doing from fileplanet have been 7+ gigs
Weird. It caused me to download a very small program, then I had to download the 8GB from Cryptic.
Thanks for the Tentonhammer info, now I have got: AN OPEN BETA KEY!
Now, only 8 hours left before I can START the download at home :(
Quote from: Tamas on January 12, 2010, 02:35:55 AM
Thanks for the Tentonhammer info, now I have got: AN OPEN BETA KEY!
Now, only 8 hours left before I can START the download at home :(
that will give you 3 hours to dl'd it before beta start! :w00t:
Quote from: Tamas on January 12, 2010, 02:35:55 AM
Thanks for the Tentonhammer info, now I have got: AN OPEN BETA KEY!
Now, only 8 hours left before I can START the download at home :(
You're welcome.
Quote from: katmai on January 12, 2010, 02:32:06 AM
Quote from: Barrister on January 12, 2010, 02:31:00 AM
Err... when I downloaded from fileplanet, the downloader was very small, under 50 MB. It then forced a download from Cryptic of 8gb+, which took two days.
Huh both of the downloads i'm doing from fileplanet have been 7+ gigs
It *says* 100 kb/sec, but its really much slower. I've been downloading for 45 minutes as of right now and I have completed 103 megabytes. :cry:
Edit: the reason it is so much slower is because it goes in bursts.
Hey alci when you dl'd the client and start game you'll have 172mb dl'd to get too.
A lot better than 7.7 gigabytes. :bleeding:
Downloading is done & installed. All ready to go, well except that ~150 mb patch. Couldn't log in, apparently their are doing maintenance.
Damn, Tentonhammer, me & my inability to wait.
I am: downloading the beta client. Beeb made it too easy with that link (thanks for the link). :P
NOOOOO! I went home for lunch and forgot to launch the client download!!!!!!!! NOOOO!!!
Dude, go back.
Can't :( Won't be playing this before Tuesday night by the looks of it :(
Got a key, thanks for the link BB.
Quote from: Tamas on January 12, 2010, 07:55:34 AM
Can't :( Won't be playing this before Wednesday night by the looks of it :(
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 11, 2010, 04:58:18 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 11, 2010, 04:49:03 PM
Then they are lieying, this is not an Open beta. I don't see how they are going to properly test their systems without handing out free keys. There probably isn't enough pre-orders.
Isnt there a way to stress test their system by adjusting for the amount of players they do have? In other words, if the only way they can properly test before launch is to have all the players on that will be playing at launch then isnt it impossible to test before launch?
GF is talking out his ass - an "open" beta does not mean anyone can test, it means the beta is not covered by an NDA. They are not under any obligation to give everyone total access at all.
Fair Point but it's still suck.
Anyway, there's free keys available.
Quote from: Berkut on January 12, 2010, 09:08:56 AM
GF is talking out his ass - an "open" beta does not mean anyone can test, it means the beta is not covered by an NDA. They are not under any obligation to give everyone total access at all.
I never knew that. I assumed it meant what GF assumed it meant.
Every use of open beta I've seen means open to most anyone or at least a very large group. They typically do drop the nda at the start of open beta, it'd be impossible to keep anyway. You could have a closed beta with no nda though, Warhammer online lifted the nda during their closed beta.
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on January 12, 2010, 10:15:48 AM
Every use of open beta I've seen means open to most anyone or at least a very large group. They typically do drop the nda at the start of open beta, it'd be impossible to keep anyway. You could have a closed beta with no nda though, Warhammer online lifted the nda during their closed beta.
Open means it is open - the people in the beta are not under any NDA, and it is usually a larger group not specifically selected for by the developers. Obviously it does not mean that everyone and anyone gets to play - they are still going to limit the numbers in SOME manner. Sometimes that is by requiring people to register, or download from fileplanet, or whatever.
Sometimes it may mean everyone who wants to play can - that is certainly an open beta as well (obviously if you are letting a large number of people play, it is open, since you are not expecting them all to abide by an NDA).
But it doesn't mean that you have to let anyone get a key. In other words, yeah, if you do let everyone get a key, then it is certainly an open beta, but that does not mean all open betas include giving away keys to anyone.
Is everyone planning on playing Fed?
Can you have multiple characters per account?
You have to play Fed a "little"* to be able to play the Klingon.
*Don't know how long.
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 12, 2010, 11:11:03 AM
You have to play Fed a "little"* to be able to play the Klingon.
*Don't know how long.
I read this last night, its 5 or 6 levels iirc. I assume they dont want you jumping directly into pvp without learning some of the basics of the game first.
I dont know the answer to Berk's question though. I am not sure you can play a Klingon and a Federation toon on the same account. I suspect not given that they are different factions but that is just my experience with WoW. Cryptic could have things organized differently.
I think you can play a Klingon on the same account.
I have the feeling that it's alot like LOTR's monster play.
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 12, 2010, 11:40:28 AM
I think you can play a Klingon on the same account.
I have the feeling that it's alot like LOTR's monster play.
I dont think it will be like monster play. All the FAQs talk about pvp play being in remote neutral territory. That doesnt make sense if it is just Klingons fighting other factions of Klingons.
I am pretty sure there will be disappointment if Klingon and Federation players cant actually fight eachother.
Berkut, with Klingons only being unlocked after finishing the first 6 levels, and with STO only having one server, yes you can have both Klingon and Federation characters. While I'm sure there will be some gaming the system, with it's 'consentual PvP' model it shouldn't be too bad.
Klingons can fight other Klingons, plus the Federation. From what I gather PvP happens either in scenarios, or maybe in a PvP zone like the Neutral zone.
So my download did finish overnight. I did start the game up this morning, heard the opening music, saw where your character would stand, before it kicked me out.
The launcher had a new warning - for right now players are limited to lvl 16, and only Federation and Klingon sectors. That should be lifted fairly shortly in open beta.
Still trying to think of a silly beta character. Maybe an orion slave girl captain...
The real question is whether I run home during lunch to try it out or not. I do sometimes go home for lunch, but given the time to drive there and back, plus, you know, eat, I'm not sure if I'd just be teasing myself.
Quote from: Barrister on January 12, 2010, 12:14:37 PM
The real question is whether I run home during lunch to try it out or not. I do sometimes go home for lunch, but given the time to drive there and back, plus, you know, eat, I'm not sure if I'd just be teasing myself.
Personally I see a lot on my desk that can wait until tomorrow.
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 12, 2010, 12:18:55 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 12, 2010, 12:14:37 PM
The real question is whether I run home during lunch to try it out or not. I do sometimes go home for lunch, but given the time to drive there and back, plus, you know, eat, I'm not sure if I'd just be teasing myself.
Personally I see a lot on my desk that can wait until tomorrow.
Unfortunately I have bail court at 1pm. :(
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 12, 2010, 11:49:06 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 12, 2010, 11:40:28 AM
I think you can play a Klingon on the same account.
I have the feeling that it's alot like LOTRO's monster play.
I dont think it will be like monster play. All the FAQs talk about pvp play being in remote neutral territory. That doesnt make sense if it is just Klingons fighting other factions of Klingons.
I am pretty sure there will be disappointment if Klingon and Federation players cant actually fight eachother.
Okay, I guess not exactly like Monster play.
I thought it was Player controlled monster vs normal character in LOTRO?
but I just meant that you could opt on your Klingon Character at anytime.
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 12, 2010, 12:24:35 PM
but I just meant that you could opt on your Klingon Character at anytime.
From what BB said, you are probably right.
ah, I managed to geet into open beta too
so I guess I won't need the guest pass kat :)
Quote from: Barrister on January 12, 2010, 12:23:00 PM
Unfortunately I have bail court at 1pm. :(
If I wake up tomorrow to news reports that everyone was released on bail I will know why.
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 12, 2010, 12:58:27 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 12, 2010, 12:23:00 PM
Unfortunately I have bail court at 1pm. :(
If I wake up tomorrow to news reports that everyone was released on bail I will know why.
I thought you knew me better than that. I may love Star Trek and online gaming, but I love keeping people in jail even more. :menace:
So the Open Beta starts... now. Someone tell me if they're able to log in at all.
I can't.
Reason : At Work.
How Jaronesque of me.
Quote from: Barrister on January 12, 2010, 01:00:08 PM
So the Open Beta starts... now. Someone tell me if they're able to log in at all.
My download will finish in about 8-10 hours, just in time for me to turn off the computer before heading for work :thumbsup:
My download keep stopping at a little past 50%, 3 times now. Should I : call my ISP? :hmm:
Quote from: Tamas on January 12, 2010, 01:34:11 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 12, 2010, 01:00:08 PM
So the Open Beta starts... now. Someone tell me if they're able to log in at all.
My download will finish in about 8-10 hours, just in time for me to turn off the computer before heading for work :thumbsup:
:thumbsup:
Quote from: Alcibiades on January 12, 2010, 01:34:39 PM
My download keep stopping at a little past 50%, 3 times now. Should I : call my ISP? :hmm:
Tell me you are using some download agent so you are not starting from sratch each time.
And BB, my thumbsup was ironic :P
The one I'm using doesnt seem to want to let File planet recover. Same situation as my last download manager if I recall. :shutup:
Ran home at lunch.
Logged in.
Character creation looks very cool.
Could not log into gameworld however, and got kicked. Not enough time to try again.
Tried a second time. Could log in.
Just for GF I jumped.
Then I logged off to go back to work.
The god damn hype you guys are making (better than any marketing team, screw you nerds), will probably make me wake up an hour early so I can launch patching and MAYBE glance at character generation.
Do you guys know if you can keep your open beta character after launch? I guess unlikely especially if you did not preorder.
So U.S.S. Hunyadi will hav to wait.
Quote from: Tamas on January 12, 2010, 03:41:01 PM
So U.S.S. Hunyadi will hav to wait.
USS Hyundai?
http://www.hyundaiusa.com/vehicle-lineup/sport-hatches.aspx
Quote from: ulmont on January 12, 2010, 03:45:22 PM
Quote from: Tamas on January 12, 2010, 03:41:01 PM
So U.S.S. Hunyadi will hav to wait.
USS Hyundai?
http://www.hyundaiusa.com/vehicle-lineup/sport-hatches.aspx
:rolleyes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janos_Hunyadi
Quote from: Barrister on January 12, 2010, 02:51:39 PM
Just for GF I jumped.
:yeah: That's what I'm talking about :showoff:
@Tamas, no you can't.
finished tutorial on my guy and he's sitting in spacedock waiting for you hosers.
Completed Character Génération.
Whats your name Katmai?
Hangs on retrieving list of characters. :)
Hangs on retreaving list of maps
Quit and try again.
It is only the first day of beta, and if they wanted a stress test they sure are getting one.
I'm out for the day... will try again tomorrow
Well the UI & Options feel familiar. Oh, right, it's Champion Online.
I like it.
My name is....Artie@Couchaddict
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 12, 2010, 04:44:25 PM
Well the UI & Options feel familiar. Oh, right, it's Champion Online.
I like it.
My name is....Artie@Couchaddict
They were quite unapologetic that they took the engine and much of the basic code right from CO. They said this way it allowed them to focus more on content.
So, anyone, name?
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 12, 2010, 04:52:31 PM
So, anyone, name?
I made a real quick toon that I intend to delete. I'll post my name here when I come up with one.
I'll be @BarristerBoy if that helps.
Can't advance, map is full.
I guess I'll keep reporting UI bugs.
Yeah, I cant get in, map is full.
Jason of the USS Argo....
Did the tutorial and the rescue mission and then got caught in lag trying to warp to one of the parol areas. Some bright bulb suggested that relogging would be a good idea for everyone having the same problem and now I cant get back in.
edit: strike that. As I was typing this I got in.
See ya.
LULZ, I had downloaded the beta client over the weekend. I activated my key tonight and logged in only to find I need to download a 2.5 Gb patch :blink:
Quote from: Caliga on January 12, 2010, 06:10:32 PM
LULZ, I had downloaded the beta client over the weekend. I activated my key tonight and logged in only to find I need to download a 2.5 Gb patch :blink:
Did you miss my bitching from last night about needing a 2.5 GB patch?
Obviously. :cool:
my guys will be
@katmai523
Well currently 32 jasons (either character or chat handle name on, so no idea which one is CC)
Invite sent to GF who is offline
Plan for the moment is to make Cpt. Sam Steele of the USS Klondike.
@BarristerBoy of course.
Quote from: Barrister on January 12, 2010, 07:37:30 PM
Plan for the moment is to make Cpt. Sam Steele of the USS Klondike.
@BarristerBoy of course.
Well let me know when you do later on, as I can't send friend invite to non-existent chracter :P
Quote from: katmai on January 12, 2010, 07:42:29 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 12, 2010, 07:37:30 PM
Plan for the moment is to make Cpt. Sam Steele of the USS Klondike.
@BarristerBoy of course.
Well let me know when you do later on, as I can't send friend invite to non-existent chracter :P
You're just not trying hard enough.
This game is: unstable.
Captain Kaligos of the USS Shiloh is portrayed by notable actor Tom Skerritt. :cool:
Quote from: Caliga on January 12, 2010, 08:56:40 PM
This game is: unstable.
Captain Kaligos of the USS Shiloh is portrayed by notable actor Tom Skerritt. :cool:
Aw i thought you make a female since you can adjust chest size. :P
I am the Vulcan engineer Sulla, of the USS Caska.
Quote from: katmai on January 12, 2010, 09:04:04 PM
Aw i thought you make a female since you can adjust chest size. :P
O FUCK I HAD NO IDEA YOU COULD DO THAT. :o
Some long ass loading times.
I made a girl, she has a reasonable breast size.
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 12, 2010, 09:10:52 PM
I made a girl, she has a reasonable breast size.
You're no fun.
The download failed at some point while I wasn't home. <_< Would have been done by now.
Kat got your friend request just as I was logging off.
Have to go to curling. :scots: Will play more later.
Quote from: Barrister on January 12, 2010, 09:20:31 PM
Kat got your friend request just as I was logging off.
Have to go to curling. :scots: Will play more later.
No worries, now if grey fox would accept the friend request <_<
Its gotten really bad now. When all you guys were at work things were much better.
If I could log in, I'd play.
I made a giant breasted female from a fishman species. She's like 10 feet tall and real gangly except for the giant boobs. Oh and she's blue with gills, little horn things all over her face, yellow spots, slit pupils, and blonde dreadlocks. :cool:
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 12, 2010, 09:28:02 PM
Its gotten really bad now. When all you guys were at work things were much better.
Yeah it wasn't bad at all this morning.
Okay, STO doesn't like having torrents downloading in the background.
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 12, 2010, 10:05:36 PM
Okay, STO doesn't like having torrents downloading in the background.
Well they did announce bringing it down to patch it as well :P
Yeah but I mean, I couldn't connect at all with it in the background. I kill it & it logs in quickly.
Stop being a leech....leech.
Server is up.
The patch seems to have fixed a lot of the stability issues.
Wow - that was fast for the first patch.
I'll be in as soon as it finishes up.
For alci, cal and GF, CI and any others.
Created an languish chat channel ingame, makes it easier to keep in contact.
My handle is Larex@Vonlutt
No clue how to find that game channel though. :hmm:
Ok, got it patched and quick-created a tactical officer, whatshisname, see pic. Will give it a go after work.
Okay, so it's only the tutorial.
But that was fun.
Tamas you are hideous!
Oh and so is your character! :P
Like i said there is a languish chat channel as that is the easiest way to find others if you are so interested :P
Lesson to the wise.
Exit the zone channel. Much better...
I'm at @crazy_ivan80
no idea what my toon is named :D
Doesn't matter anyway as it's beta :p
So I still fully reserve the right to change my mind on this. But after completing the tutorial... this game rocks.
Quote from: Tamas on January 13, 2010, 01:16:43 AM
Ok, got it patched and quick-created a tactical officer, whatshisname, see pic. Will give it a go after work.
Ugh. I forgot how much I dislike the latest Federation uniforms. If I bought the game, I'd definitely go the Classic Trek uniform deal route.
Quote from: Barrister on January 13, 2010, 02:09:12 AM
So I still fully reserve the right to change my mind on this. But after completing the tutorial... this game rocks.
You realize that if this tanks, this is your Vanguard, no?
Quote from: Judas Iscariot on January 13, 2010, 03:17:37 AM
Quote from: Tamas on January 13, 2010, 01:16:43 AM
Ok, got it patched and quick-created a tactical officer, whatshisname, see pic. Will give it a go after work.
Ugh. I forgot how much I dislike the latest Federation uniforms. If I bought the game, I'd definitely go the Classic Trek uniform deal route.
They added in the open beta CC the TNG movie uniform.
Caliga's Yeoman? :lol:http://img259.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=41183_fetish_evolution_2009_0598_123_549lo.jpg (http://img259.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=41183_fetish_evolution_2009_0598_123_549lo.jpg) (Possibly NSFW)
Quote from: katmai on January 13, 2010, 12:17:16 AM
For alci, cal and GF, CI and any others.
Created an languish chat channel ingame, makes it easier to keep in contact.
Aight, I'll check it out tonight.
The download failed again (not from fileshack this time). What's the deal with that? I just ended up going with the torrent this time...should be done in a little while (~3 to 4 hours), unless something else fucks up somehow. :huh:
I'll actually be around to eyeball this one to see exactly when it fails this time.
Quote from: katmai on January 13, 2010, 01:30:36 AM
Tamas you are hideous!
Oh and so is your character! :P
Like i said there is a languish chat channel as that is the easiest way to find others if you are so interested :P
How do we join said channel?
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 13, 2010, 06:36:21 AM
The download failed again (not from fileshack this time). What's the deal with that? I just ended up going with the torrent this time...should be done in a little while (~3 to 4 hours), unless something else fucks up somehow. :huh:
I'll actually be around to eyeball this one to see exactly when it fails this time.
Computer goes to sleep? HDD are turned off when the Monitor is too?
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 13, 2010, 06:51:41 AM
Computer goes to sleep? HDD are turned off when the Monitor is too?
Yeah, that stuff messes things up sometimes, but I don't even have the monitor turn itself off anymore, since it got irritating when I was watching movies or just zoning out for hours ( :P) or whatever. Last night, I just turned the monitor off and left everything else running. Came back downstairs this morning, and there's nothing there. A 1kb zip file and that's it in the target folder (when I went to bed, the DL was at about 35%). :hmm:
Eh...oh well...the torrent is downloading pretty quickly/smoothly. It'll be done right around 9am, then I guess I'll have to DL whatever large patch they released.
Uhm, by default, your network card may have the hardware setting of allowing Windows to put it to sleep in case on inactivity. Turn that off.
Quote from: Tamas on January 13, 2010, 07:12:27 AM
Uhm, by default, your network card may have the hardware setting of allowing Windows to put it to sleep in case on inactivity. Turn that off.
Nope that's still unchecked. vOv
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 13, 2010, 06:49:59 AM
Quote from: katmai on January 13, 2010, 01:30:36 AM
Tamas you are hideous!
Oh and so is your character! :P
Like i said there is a languish chat channel as that is the easiest way to find others if you are so interested :P
How do we join said channel?
R-click on Chat window in lower left corner, it brings up a window, click the center tab that says channel and in the join/create window type in languish
Finally got this patched and everything early this morning before work.
Fired it up....and it locked up on the loading screen with some kind of data compression error.
hmmmm
First program that has actually managed to lock up my Windows7 box, so that is something anyway.
Rebooted, restarted, and while it didn't lock up the box, it did crash at the same spot with the same error. Does it every time now.
Maybe there will be a patch when I get home later tonight.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 13, 2010, 07:11:29 AM
Yeah, that stuff messes things up sometimes, but I don't even have the monitor turn itself off anymore, since it got irritating when I was watching movies or just zoning out for hours ( :P) or whatever. Last night, I just turned the monitor off and left everything else running. Came back downstairs this morning, and there's nothing there. A 1kb zip file and that's it in the target folder (when I went to bed, the DL was at about 35%). :hmm:
Eh...oh well...the torrent is downloading pretty quickly/smoothly. It'll be done right around 9am, then I guess I'll have to DL whatever large patch they released.
Was having the same problem when I'd let it download over night, failed on me three times. Worked during the day though.
Quote from: garbon on January 13, 2010, 03:21:01 AM
Quote from: Barrister on January 13, 2010, 02:09:12 AM
So I still fully reserve the right to change my mind on this. But after completing the tutorial... this game rocks.
You realize that if this tanks, this is your Vanguard, no?
Nope - I have very wisely put weasle words in everything I've said. You know, like "I still fully reserve the right to change my mind". :P
I am: boldly going....through the tutorial, it seems. My dude's name is Kenny. :)
QuoteWas having the same problem when I'd let it download over night, failed on me three times. Worked during the day though.
Where were you DLing it from?
After the patch last night things were a lot more smooth.
Granted this is early days but I am liking the immersion of the missions and the ship combat. Tactics, maneuvering and use of skills/ships components make a difference. Also, on ground missions flanking makes a huge difference and so it is often best not to have your party focus fire. Instead it is better to have your party engage individual targets while you move to flank.
I Havent run into any boss type missions where I will need to group with other players yet so I may yet run into the traditional tank/dps/healer model but so far it doesnt feel like WoW. It feels like I am a Federation Starfleet Captain.
Oh and having Spock's voice congratulate me on gaining a level is a nice touch. :nerd:
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 13, 2010, 11:37:04 AM
I am: boldly going....through the tutorial, it seems. My dude's name is Kenny. :)
What's your @handle? (Account name)
I just ordered you stupid fucks. I'll be on the USS Wallenstein.
But the D2D download doesn't seem to work. :unsure:
Quote from: Syt on January 13, 2010, 11:45:18 AM
I just ordered you stupid fucks. I'll be on the USS Wallenstein.
:cool:
Too bad BBs weaseling means that if this does turn out to be awesome, he won't be able to take any credit.
Quote from: Syt on January 13, 2010, 11:50:52 AM
But the D2D download doesn't seem to work. :unsure:
Worked great for me on Monday.
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 13, 2010, 12:14:41 PM
Quote from: Syt on January 13, 2010, 11:50:52 AM
But the D2D download doesn't seem to work. :unsure:
Worked great for me on Monday.
I'm getting error messages. Worked fine with DA:O. The Cryptic downloader and the torrent are both ass slow (under 150k/s).
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 13, 2010, 11:43:23 AM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 13, 2010, 11:37:04 AM
I am: boldly going....through the tutorial, it seems. My dude's name is Kenny. :)
What's your @handle? (Account name)
@madburgermaker
Ah well, torrent is downloading now at 450 k/s.
Quote from: Berkut on January 13, 2010, 12:02:20 PM
Too bad BBs weaseling means that if this does turn out to be awesome, he won't be able to take any credit.
Not sure how BB could take any credit if it were otherwise since none of us have seen enough of the game to make any decisions one way or the other. If he told us this was the best game ever he would be no better then Marti not liking Warhammer because of the way the horses moved.
Quote from: Berkut on January 13, 2010, 12:02:20 PM
Too bad BBs weaseling means that if this does turn out to be awesome, he won't be able to take any credit.
Since I don't work for Cryptic, it'd hardly be fair for me to take any credit. -_-
So far (as far as I can tell) the game is fairly well done for what it is. The fact that I was able to play at all on the very first day of open beta actually means its fairly stable.
Where I could see the game failing is by not holding my interest long term. Every MMO is a grind, but some hide that fact better than others. If the "espisodes" all start seeming the same, if it doesn't capture that 'just one more level' sense of anticipation that WoW does, I could see me playing, enjoying it, and cancelling my subscription after 2-3 months.
Quote from: Barrister on January 13, 2010, 01:12:43 PM
So far (as far as I can tell) the game is fairly well done for what it is. The fact that I was able to play at all on the very first day of open beta actually means its fairly stable.
Where I could see the game failing is by not holding my interest long term. Every MMO is a grind, but some hide that fact better than others. If the "espisodes" all start seeming the same, if it doesn't capture that 'just one more level' sense of anticipation that WoW does, I could see me playing, enjoying it, and cancelling my subscription after 2-3 months.
So far the catch isnt just one more level but one more upgrade for my ship components, one more encounter so I can get more bridge crew skill points and more skill points for me etc.
This game is not so much level based as skill point based and you can spend your points between levels as you acquire them after each mission.
Well, this could be great, or crap, still.
The immersion factor is very good. The first non-patrol quest you can do after the tutorial was particularly nice. The "boss fight" at the end was perfect for an introductory quest: being the smaller faster ship I was able to stay in the enemy's behind and concentrate on keeping the shield down on that arc, up until near the end when my front damage got untolerable and manouvering made me drift away to an other angle, but still managed to finish it off, altough hull integrity was down to 75% by the end of the battle.
However, there are major bugs. Other languish people report stuff like ground team glitching to death (no problem there for me), and I can't advance my skills for some reason, had to open a ticket about it. This is beta of course, but a month before release these are quite the bugs.
All in all, very promising so far, in fact I am not that worried about bugs, but more about replayability: I hate repeating quests in MMOs, and I will have to do that in a month when the full version will be out, for my new character, as there is only one side to choose.
Quote from: Tamas on January 13, 2010, 02:12:27 PM
All in all, very promising so far, in fact I am not that worried about bugs, but more about replayability: I hate repeating quests in MMOs, and I will have to do that in a month when the full version will be out, for my new character, as there is only one side to choose.
Aye. I am going to try and take this very easy during beta, maybe even restart a couple of times. I know if I get one character quite a distance I will be very disappointed to have to restart in 2 weeks.
Now that I have decided that I play the game after release the only reason for continuing to play prior to release is to get a better idea of what my starting character will be.
At first I thought I would go all tactical/escort but after getting some experience with the game I can see how important the science/engineering skills are going to be for things like scanners and shields etc. so now I am playing to find out how I really want to start out.
For Kat, CC, or anyone else playing tonight.
With no curling tonight (:scots:) I'll definitely be playing. But please don't be offended if I don't group up with you right away. I'm still trying to just figure out how all of this works, and I don't think I've even finished the tutorial yet.
You have finished the tutorial, but no worries, I'm striving to hit lvl 11. :P
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 13, 2010, 06:18:50 PM
Now that I have decided that I play the game after release the only reason for continuing to play prior to release is to get a better idea of what my starting character will be.
At first I thought I would go all tactical/escort but after getting some experience with the game I can see how important the science/engineering skills are going to be for things like scanners and shields etc. so now I am playing to find out how I really want to start out.
There's quite a bewildering array of different talents and skills (and for many, no way to 're-spec' if you make some less than optimal choices), so yeah I want to plot this out carefully.
Also I think I'm going to try and not do too many scripted missions, but spend more time on fleet actions or PvP or whatever.
Yeah lots and lots of choices.... But I'm afraid I'll get burnt out if I keep playing now. Level 4 or 5 already, still quite interesting, but very buggy at the moment.
Quote from: Barrister on January 13, 2010, 06:20:37 PM
For Kat, CC, or anyone else playing tonight.
With no curling tonight (:scots:) I'll definitely be playing. But please don't be offended if I don't group up with you right away. I'm still trying to just figure out how all of this works, and I don't think I've even finished the tutorial yet.
I dont think there is much point in grouping in the first few levels anyway. I havent run into anything yet where I thought I needed some help.
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 13, 2010, 06:52:36 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 13, 2010, 06:20:37 PM
For Kat, CC, or anyone else playing tonight.
With no curling tonight (:scots:) I'll definitely be playing. But please don't be offended if I don't group up with you right away. I'm still trying to just figure out how all of this works, and I don't think I've even finished the tutorial yet.
I dont think there is much point in grouping in the first few levels anyway. I havent run into anything yet where I thought I needed some help.
That tells me what missions you haven't done, cause there are a few that need to be group of some kind.
Supposedly various encounters will scale if you do them in a group.
Quote from: katmai on January 13, 2010, 06:56:31 PM
That tells me what missions you haven't done, cause there are a few that need to be group of some kind.
I am just that awsome. :D
So far I think I might play this after it goes live, but not immediately (not going to pre-order). I'll probably wait a few weeks and see how they've polished it up first.
Also, how do the fleets work?? I was doing a patrol mission, and when I arrived at the last system, for a mission that really didn't even require me to be there ("escort" a freighter a few kilometers to a mining base with no badguys or anything), I suddenly got spammed with all sorts of error messages as three people showed up in the system and were suddenly thrown in a little fleet together with me. All they were doing was zooming around while this freighter followed me to the little base, then the mission was over. :huh:
Is there any way to avoid that in the future? I know it's an MMO and all, but I really didn't need a fleet/buddies for a quick little mission like that.
You have to set up team setting under the social button.
The default is set to open team so you'll be added automatically to a team on missions like that.
Ah ha. Thanks Kat. I'll do that when I get home later.
Hey CC, Beeb and all they just brought down the server for maintence at 6:45 PST, expecting no more than two hours, so kinda like last night.
But it was needing it as there was some funky lag this afternoon.
Maybe they will fix their launchers verification problem so I can play!
Where did you dl'd the client?
Quote from: katmai on January 13, 2010, 09:58:10 PM
Where did you dl'd the client?
From STO.
Looks like I might have a corrupt file - but unfortunately the fix appears to be deleting all 10G worth of files and letting it re-download, since their file check code is broken and doesn't appear to actually find problems, just takes a long time looking for them.
Quote from: Berkut on January 13, 2010, 10:01:08 PM
Quote from: katmai on January 13, 2010, 09:58:10 PM
Where did you dl'd the client?
From STO.
Looks like I might have a corrupt file - but unfortunately the fix appears to be deleting all 10G worth of files and letting it re-download, since their file check code is broken and doesn't appear to actually find problems, just takes a long time looking for them.
Ah, yeah you are reading same stuff I have, about corrupted .hogg files or somesuch.
They need to stop going on maintenance in Primetime Eastern.
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 13, 2010, 10:14:17 PM
They need to stop going on maintenance in Primetime Eastern.
It's primetime across all of America :P
Quote from: Berkut on January 13, 2010, 10:01:08 PM
Quote from: katmai on January 13, 2010, 09:58:10 PM
Where did you dl'd the client?
From STO.
Looks like I might have a corrupt file - but unfortunately the fix appears to be deleting all 10G worth of files and letting it re-download, since their file check code is broken and doesn't appear to actually find problems, just takes a long time looking for them.
That sucks. :(
And yeah, I sit down for the first time with several hours I can play, and I find out about the maintenance.
:mad:
So instead of playing STO, I went to the bar with a bunch of jail guards. :huh:
No, really. Going away party for one of them (she house sat for us a couple years ago too).
But I came back for 8:45 (plus jail guards are boring company, in particular when you have to work tomorrow and they don't so are getting loaded), only to find the game STILL isn't up.
:(
Yeah they pushed it back to 9:30 first, now 10:00pm
Still downloading, 75% on torrent.
That thread on their forums is terrible.
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 13, 2010, 10:14:17 PM
They need to stop going on maintenance in Primetime Eastern.
aussi time should be used for it as no one lives there:p
Wow - the latest says downtime extended until 12am PST. Might as well say until tomorrow.
So there's some kind of wacky cross-promotion with Dell Taco, get open beta access, plus a "shuttle pet"?
Anyone want to buy some Del Taco and give me their code for the lame pet? :)
http://www.deltaco.com/coupons.html
You could ask Jaron or somebody else near a del taco :lol:
Oh hey it suddenly works. Perfect timing. Craig Ferguson finishes up a weird show with Richard Lewis, and now I can try to break this game here.
Er...nevermind...it just crapped out on me.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 14, 2010, 01:50:32 AM
Er...nevermind...it just crapped out on me.
yeah just went down again after they said it was fixed :D
I tried telling you to join languish channel :P
Quote from: katmai on January 14, 2010, 01:52:02 AM
yeah just went down again after they said it was fixed :D
I tried telling you to join languish channel :P
Yeah, I saw that just before I crashed. Figured something was wrong, since I was already in the channel. :P
No seriously - anyone live near a Del Taco? :)
I'm pretty sure I live several thousand miles away from one...
Quote from: Barrister on January 14, 2010, 02:02:27 AM
No seriously - anyone live near a Del Taco? :)
I'm pretty sure I live several thousand miles away from one...
Looking at their site, california Languishites seem to be best bet.
Or maybe fahdiz if he's willing to go across the border to Vancouver Wa. :P
Quote from: katmai on January 14, 2010, 02:08:09 AM
Quote from: Barrister on January 14, 2010, 02:02:27 AM
No seriously - anyone live near a Del Taco? :)
I'm pretty sure I live several thousand miles away from one...
Looking at their site, california Languishites seem to be best bet.
Or maybe fahdiz if he's willing to go across the border to Vancouver Wa. :P
Oh Jaron... :)
Quote from: katmai on January 14, 2010, 01:38:54 AM
You could ask Jaron or somebody else near a del taco :lol:
Is Jaron the only person near a del taco?
I have it on good authority that you would never go down to market st and help out beeb in such a manner
I like Del Taco.
Quote from: garbon on January 14, 2010, 02:20:02 AM
I like Del Taco.
If you bought a crappy fountain drink at Del Taco and gave me the code I'd owe you. :)
Quote from: Barrister on January 14, 2010, 02:02:27 AM
No seriously - anyone live near a Del Taco? :)
I'm pretty sure I live several thousand miles away from one...
Yeah there aren't any around here either. Oddly, the only one I ever went to was in Guam, even though I lived in California for a couple of years, I guess it was, after coming back from that deployment.
dammit everytime i keep trying to talk to MBM in game he breaks the server :(
*sigh*
Managed to log in for ~60 seconds.
Then kicked out again,
Got to go to bed,
:(
:lol:
"Nope, get out"
*servers take a shit*
So what do you lose when your ship gets blown up? I was shooting at badguys when everything crashed.
I was trying to say saw two different screens about the chat channel, one said no one was in it, other had us in so that is why i asked my question :P
Quote from: Barrister on January 14, 2010, 03:07:32 AM
*sigh*
Managed to log in for ~60 seconds.
Then kicked out again,
Got to go to bed,
:(
It was enough time for me to finish exploring sector and complete my mission.
only 3 lvls to go for 2nd ship.
I will give it an other whirl tonight, but I am pretty sure I will pre-order. And just about stop playing the beta, except for figuring out what my main will be.
As I said, I am quite impressed with the immersion level of these early missions but I am not going to ruin them by getting bored with them on this highly buggy beta thing. Let them fix it up, and I'll play for real from February.
lol Klingon PVP comment:
Quoteive noticed that alot in pvp, while im sure im not the master klingon yet, im always top dps because as a good klingon i know my weapon power setting needs to be as high as the gods of battle will let me set it, and then i overcharge it beyond that with my tacticle buffs. i also notice alot of others havent figured out strategic battle cloaking yet, you can actually park right up your enemies backside within otimal cannon range, pop all your dps buffs, decloak, wtfpwnthatnewbintheass, and escape to do it again.
Well thats nice if you can and should do that, because that is how it supposed to be with Klingon ships I guess
I think I completed the tutorial. I want to try other chars too but At this rate, I won't have time.
:lol:
hey tamas what is your handle in game?
Quote from: katmai on January 14, 2010, 08:10:20 AM
:lol:
hey tamas what is your handle in game?
Tarsyk, dont remember my character's name.
added to friends list
I got in yesterday; still in the tutorial, but the speed's been OK for me so far- I only started running into lag on Vega Colony. I was gonna say that it didn't hang at all, but I did have to kill it when the exit menu stopped responding.
If they can stabilize the servers somewhat, I'm afraid I may just have to plop down and get the game pre-ordered.
So, how would you rate the game at this point (buggy beta and server issues aside)? Is it like EVE or something different?
It is nothing like Eve. It's no spreadsheet in space
Nothing like Evefor good or bad depending on how much you like that game.
This is much easier, less learning curve, much more focused on PvE content, with very light death penalty.
So judging by the latest note, my ticket was WAD: they dont allow you to spend new skillpoints until they open up the non-human-and-non-klingon sectors.
Now, supposedly these are kept closed because they want you to focus. I do have fears, however, (since those sectors are level 16 and up sectors and so no newbs would venture there for long) that they are simply not ready properly, and as I type half a dozen level designers a Cryptic are sweating to get together something resembling content. I sure hope I am wrong.
You aren't.
It makes perfect sense, really. There is *never* enough time to get everything done that needs to be done for launch, so of course upper tier content goes unfinished, since they will tell themselves they have time for that later...
Depends on how long they keep those sectors off limits.
There was no such restriction during closed beta. The content exists. Whether it's 'finished' enough I don't know.
Quote from: Berkut on January 14, 2010, 01:03:08 PM
You aren't.
says the guy who hasnt even gotten into the game yet. :P
Quote from: Berkut on January 14, 2010, 01:03:08 PM
You aren't.
It makes perfect sense, really. There is *never* enough time to get everything done that needs to be done for launch, so of course upper tier content goes unfinished, since they will tell themselves they have time for that later...
And it is incredibly symmetrical with their release of Champions.
Watch for a launch-day quadrupling of the difficulty, folks.
Quote from: Habbaku on January 14, 2010, 01:16:37 PM
Watch for a launch-day quadrupling of the difficulty, folks.
Why? The patch notes show that they reduced difficulty on some encounters during the closed beta because they were far more difficult then intended.
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 14, 2010, 01:24:11 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on January 14, 2010, 01:16:37 PM
Watch for a launch-day quadrupling of the difficulty, folks.
Why? The patch notes show that they reduced difficulty on some encounters during the closed beta because they were far more difficult then intended.
Because Cryptic is full of retards. http://www.mmorpg.com/newsroom.cfm/loadNews/14850
I'm not going anywhere near this game until at least a month after release.
Okay after doing a public mission as part of a patrol mission of mine: I dont care.
I am not sure one bit that once maxing out a character in the full game I will ever start a new one, but I enjoy these early levels very much. It is very hard to resist playing more, but as I said, I know I must because I will have to complete these quests again soon.
Don't start playing this game to see something redefining what MMOs are about (like I did with Warhammer), but play it because you like the idea of blowing stuff up in a very good and authentic looking (and reading and sounding) Star Trek context. That is all this game will probably ever be, but I sure as hell like it a lot so far.
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 14, 2010, 01:24:11 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on January 14, 2010, 01:16:37 PM
Watch for a launch-day quadrupling of the difficulty, folks.
Why? The patch notes show that they reduced difficulty on some encounters during the closed beta because they were far more difficult then intended.
Apparently that's what happened on Champions Online. They greatly reduced the damage characters would do in between the open beta and launch, which got people upset. Of course crying over "nerfs" is old news in MMOs.
Quote from: Barrister on January 14, 2010, 01:31:54 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 14, 2010, 01:24:11 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on January 14, 2010, 01:16:37 PM
Watch for a launch-day quadrupling of the difficulty, folks.
Why? The patch notes show that they reduced difficulty on some encounters during the closed beta because they were far more difficult then intended.
Apparently that's what happened on Champions Online. They greatly reduced the damage characters would do in between the open beta and launch, which got people upset. Of course crying over "nerfs" is old news in MMOs.
I read the link Habbu gave I didnt see anything there to suggest that something will go wrong here. How many times was WoW rebalanced since release? The main issue seems to have been that not everyone got to do a free respec.... after they found that their uber power once so uber anymore.
Quote from: Tamas on January 14, 2010, 01:30:16 PM
Don't start playing this game to see something redefining what MMOs are about (like I did with Warhammer), but play it because you like the idea of blowing stuff up in a very good and authentic looking (and reading and sounding) Star Trek context. That is all this game will probably ever be, but I sure as hell like it a lot so far.
That's pretty much my take on it. I don't know if I'll play this for months and years, but the bits I have played are fun. It probably wouldn't be as much fun if it wasn't Star Trek, but they do have a nice amount of chrome. The shots of your ship warping in and out of orbit, the beaming effects, phasers, the opening music... :wub:
And that being said, while it doesn't redefine MMOs, it is significantly different from MMOs. Ground combat for one, with the player controlling a team instead of an individual, and with it's focus on flanking. The fact that it has ship combat as well.
Now I'm trying to stay objective here. I had said the fact I could play on the first day of open beta was a good sign. Well the fact I couldn't play on the second is not a good sign. I'll give the developers a couple days to raise the beta level cap, but if it remains in place for awhile I'll be worried.
But Habs and Berkut seem really negative about this game. I'm not sure why...
Counter effect to You really.
Quote from: Barrister on January 14, 2010, 01:46:56 PM
And that being said, while it doesn't redefine MMOs, it is significantly different from MMOs. Ground combat for one, with the player controlling a team instead of an individual, and with it's focus on flanking.
Last night I decided to test out how important flanking was. I went straight in guns blazing. The Klingons moved around me and my group to take up flanking positions and handed my ass to me on a platter. It was great to see.
edit: I must have picked exactly the right time to play last night from the sounds of it.
Quote from: Barrister on January 14, 2010, 01:46:56 PM
But Habs and Berkut seem really negative about this game. I'm not sure why...
I don't think we are negative, just reasonably skeptical.
It seems "really negative" to you because despite your protestations, your "objectivity" is pretty much non-existent.
Actual objectivity always looks weird to the non-objective. :P
Quote from: Berkut on January 14, 2010, 02:05:12 PM
I don't think we are negative, just reasonably skeptical.
It seems "really negative" to you because despite your protestations, your "objectivity" is pretty much non-existent.
Actual objectivity always looks weird to the non-objective. :P
No shit! It actually is quite funny, looking at it from the outside.
I don't blame BB for being excited, but that he thinks that his reaction is the objective one is... well, I will be kind and say "cute." :P
Quote from: Berkut on January 14, 2010, 02:05:12 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 14, 2010, 01:46:56 PM
But Habs and Berkut seem really negative about this game. I'm not sure why...
I don't think we are negative, just reasonably skeptical.
:rolleyes:
GF made a post that he is concerned something might happen but that he might be wrong and then you responded he was not wrong - unreasonably confirming that his concerns would in fact occur.
GF's post was reasonably skeptical. Yours are dogmatically negative.
Quote from: grumbler on January 14, 2010, 02:22:21 PM
Quote from: Berkut on January 14, 2010, 02:05:12 PM
I don't think we are negative, just reasonably skeptical.
It seems "really negative" to you because despite your protestations, your "objectivity" is pretty much non-existent.
Actual objectivity always looks weird to the non-objective. :P
No shit! It actually is quite funny, looking at it from the outside.
I don't blame BB for being excited, but that he thinks that his reaction is the objective one is... well, I will be kind and say "cute." :P
Not at all. I acknowledge my bias. I said I am "trying to" remain objective. It is an ideal I doubt I have reached.
But what I find funny is for Berkut to turn around and claim he is the objective one.
Just playing around with the char generator. I guess I'll go with a "standard" race, though. And lower details; my laptop doesn't like this at full.
If you put it at maximum, go to advanced & disable post processing. That will lag even the best set up out there.
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 14, 2010, 02:25:05 PM
Quote from: Berkut on January 14, 2010, 02:05:12 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 14, 2010, 01:46:56 PM
But Habs and Berkut seem really negative about this game. I'm not sure why...
I don't think we are negative, just reasonably skeptical.
:rolleyes:
GF made a post that he is concerned something might happen but that he might be wrong and then you responded he was not wrong - unreasonably confirming that his concerns would in fact occur.
GF's post was reasonably skeptical. Yours are dogmatically negative.
What is dogmatically negative about pre-ordering a game that I want to play? If I was dogmatically negative, I would simply ignore this - lord knows I ignore plenty of MMOs I don't care about at all.
And it is not at all unreasonable to conclude that upper tier content is not done yet - quite the opposite in fact, since pretty much every MMO ever released has had that problem, as I explained. It is the nature of the beast.
Pointing out that this one will likely be the same is not negative at all, if anything, it is putting a positive spin on the issue.
I have played the beta for a grand total of 2-3 hours so far (did finish the tutorial), and so far I neither love nor hate the game.
Quote from: Barrister on January 14, 2010, 02:26:09 PM
Quote from: grumbler on January 14, 2010, 02:22:21 PM
Quote from: Berkut on January 14, 2010, 02:05:12 PM
I don't think we are negative, just reasonably skeptical.
It seems "really negative" to you because despite your protestations, your "objectivity" is pretty much non-existent.
Actual objectivity always looks weird to the non-objective. :P
No shit! It actually is quite funny, looking at it from the outside.
I don't blame BB for being excited, but that he thinks that his reaction is the objective one is... well, I will be kind and say "cute." :P
Not at all. I acknowledge my bias. I said I am "trying to" remain objective. It is an ideal I doubt I have reached.
But what I find funny is for Berkut to turn around and claim he is the objective one.
:lmfao:
So you think I have some kind of axe to grind? What in the world would my motivation be for
a game I personally hope is as good as you are convinced it must be because you want it to be?That makes no sense at all beebs - I have nothing to gain by the game being crap, and I certainly hope it is NOT crap. being able and willing to dispassionately discuss its potential problems does not make one un-objective - quite the opposite in fact. It is the very definition of being objective.
Rationally, there are a lot of reasons to be skeptical - hell, that is true from a purely statiscitcan standpoint - most MMOs are failures. I was as jazzed abut WHO, for example, as anyone, and even that in the long run turned out to be a dissapointment.
The list of failed MMOs is long, and the list of successful ones very short. I hope STO falls into the latter, but so far the data is pretty mixed.
Quote from: Caliga on January 14, 2010, 02:50:54 PM
I have played the beta for a grand total of 2-3 hours so far (did finish the tutorial), and so far I neither love nor hate the game.
I've played it for zero hours, and so far remain neutral on it. I've heard some things that make me more optimisitc, and I've heard some things that make me less. Overall, I think it is likely that the game will be cool and fun for a while, but only because of the franchise, and that won't last.
Well, it's certainly an excellent IP to be building an MMO on, that's for sure. I think it has a reasonable chance of being another second-tier MMO like LOTRO, but it certainly won't be a WoW-killer (not that anyone predicted it would be, but still).
Quote from: Caliga on January 14, 2010, 02:56:31 PM
Well, it's certainly an excellent IP to be building an MMO on, that's for sure. I think it has a reasonable chance of being another second-tier MMO like LOTRO, but it certainly won't be a WoW-killer (not that anyone predicted it would be, but still).
I am using my own personal definition of success - something good enough, deep enough, and interesting enough to keep me playing beyond the honeymoon period.
So far, the total MMOs that have done that are:
Everquest
Anarchy Online
EVE Online
World of Warcraft
LOTRO
Really though EQ and AO probably don't belong, since in the case of EQ there wasn't really any other choice, and I played AO because I was sick of EQ - ditched both for EQ2 when that came out, and ditched that for WoW.
So really, you could argue that my list is just WoW, EVE, and LOTRO.
My list consists of:
World of Warcraft
LOTRO
Anyway, I'll be beta testing Star Trek more tonight. Ironically, at the same time I will be deploying a functional change to production for work (which I signed off on the QA for yesterday) :cool:
Quote from: Caliga on January 14, 2010, 02:56:31 PM
Well, it's certainly an excellent IP to be building an MMO on, that's for sure. I think it has a reasonable chance of being another second-tier MMO like LOTRO, but it certainly won't be a WoW-killer (not that anyone predicted it would be, but still).
I should think that, as a player, you wouldn't want this to be another WoW. You'd want it to be limited in appeal to people who are most like you, so the numbers and ganking don't get out of hand, but still appeal to enough people to support upgrades.
Quote from: grumbler on January 14, 2010, 03:04:19 PM
I should think that, as a player, you wouldn't want this to be another WoW. You'd want it to be limited in appeal to people who are most like you, so the numbers and ganking don't get out of hand, but still appeal to enough people to support upgrades.
You're absolutely right that I don't want it to be another WoW. :yes:
Quote from: grumbler on January 14, 2010, 03:04:19 PM
Quote from: Caliga on January 14, 2010, 02:56:31 PM
Well, it's certainly an excellent IP to be building an MMO on, that's for sure. I think it has a reasonable chance of being another second-tier MMO like LOTRO, but it certainly won't be a WoW-killer (not that anyone predicted it would be, but still).
I should think that, as a player, you wouldn't want this to be another WoW. You'd want it to be limited in appeal to people who are most like you, so the numbers and ganking don't get out of hand, but still appeal to enough people to support upgrades.
:yes:
This is actually the root of my earlier alarm over comments about "tank/healer/dps" - the concern that the game was going to try hard to be WoW In Space! rather than an actual Star Trek game, so as to appeal to as many as possible, even if that appeal is rather shallow.
Well, for what it's worth, my "serious" beta char.
One way you could try to get away from the "tank" group encounter mechanic would be to create a substantial penalty for NOT engaging every target.
Lets say that in a typical fight, anyone who is not being fired at by someone (suppresssed) does 3x as much damage.
Then, the combat mechanics start revolving around trying to suppress everyone else, while having someone on your side NOT be suppressed. Maybe the better way to think of it is that anyone suppressed does 1/3rd damage, or whatever.
STO seems to be trying to break the paradigm a little bit with the flanking thing, which is cool, but a little limiting, since it won't always apply in every situation. What if there aren't any flanks? What if you are fighting in a corridor? Seems a little odd to have a core combat mecahnic be based on particular geography of a fight, but I like that they seem to be aware of the issue.
That is actually really important - much MORE important than whether or not their particular solution actually works, since all MMOs are works in progress, so whether some particular mechanic actually works is not nearly as important as whether or not they are trying to make something work.
However it works at release, we can be fairly certain it won't work that way 6 months out.
Quote from: Berkut on January 14, 2010, 03:07:12 PM
:yes:
This is actually the root of my earlier alarm over comments about "tank/healer/dps" - the concern that the game was going to try hard to be WoW In Space! rather than an actual Star Trek game, so as to appeal to as many as possible, even if that appeal is rather shallow.
I'm actually a tiny bit concerned that they should have gone more like WoW in space in this regard. I've read some comments about fleet actions have very little strategy, with people just flying around aimlessly shooting at the enemy.
But it's very early days. Maybe more co-ordination and tactics will be required.
I do have to say that *so far* I strongly dislike the space navigation/combat model, but haven't messed with that for more than an hour tops, so it's kinda early to make any sort of call on it.
Quote from: Barrister on January 14, 2010, 03:30:37 PM
Quote from: Berkut on January 14, 2010, 03:07:12 PM
:yes:
This is actually the root of my earlier alarm over comments about "tank/healer/dps" - the concern that the game was going to try hard to be WoW In Space! rather than an actual Star Trek game, so as to appeal to as many as possible, even if that appeal is rather shallow.
I'm actually a tiny bit concerned that they should have gone more like WoW in space in this regard. I've read some comments about fleet actions have very little strategy, with people just flying around aimlessly shooting at the enemy.
But it's very early days. Maybe more co-ordination and tactics will be required.
Sounds like a WoW Pug to me! Which is really all we have seen so far- the real proof is whether that actually works when you get to decent content.
I mean, you can go run the Deadmines with a Pug and get by without any real strategy, right?
Quote from: Berkut on January 14, 2010, 02:51:11 PM
So you think I have some kind of axe to grind? What in the world would my motivation be for a game I personally hope is as good as you are convinced it must be because you want it to be?
That makes no sense at all beebs - I have nothing to gain by the game being crap, and I certainly hope it is NOT crap. being able and willing to dispassionately discuss its potential problems does not make one un-objective - quite the opposite in fact. It is the very definition of being objective.
Nope, it doesn't make any sense at all. Yet that's how it seems.
But I don't want to make this personal so I'm going to let it drop.
anyone able to log on there btw? Server says its up but not logging in for me, and the launcher as well as site are throwing up server error 500s or somesuch stuff.
edit: never mind, they took the thing offline :p
Quote from: Barrister on January 14, 2010, 03:39:29 PM
Quote from: Berkut on January 14, 2010, 02:51:11 PM
So you think I have some kind of axe to grind? What in the world would my motivation be for a game I personally hope is as good as you are convinced it must be because you want it to be?
That makes no sense at all beebs - I have nothing to gain by the game being crap, and I certainly hope it is NOT crap. being able and willing to dispassionately discuss its potential problems does not make one un-objective - quite the opposite in fact. It is the very definition of being objective.
Nope, it doesn't make any sense at all. Yet that's how it seems.
If your perception of my actions makes no sense, then perhaps it makes sense to wonder if perhaps your perception is the issue.
Which is pretty much what I said from the start of the discussion - you are not objective, and objective people always look like haters from the perspective of the fans.
Quote
But I don't want to make this personal so I'm going to let it drop.
There is nothing to "make personal". In order for you to attempt to add something personal to this, you would have to start really being creative, since I am pretty sure I haven't said anything in the entire thread that could possibly be seen as having some kind of personal investment in STO not being a great game - rather the opposite in fact. From a personal standpoint, I have much more to gain by its success than its failure.
However, the fact that I *want* it to be awesome, sadly, does not effect in any way the odds of it actually *being* awesome...
Quote from: Barrister on January 14, 2010, 02:02:27 AM
No seriously - anyone live near a Del Taco? :)
I'm pretty sure I live several thousand miles away from one...
There are a couple in Metro Detroit. Do you still need someone to pick up a code for you?
Quote from: Caliga on January 14, 2010, 02:50:54 PM
I have played the beta for a grand total of 2-3 hours so far (did finish the tutorial), and so far I neither love nor hate the game.
Same. This game is pretty good compared to similar ones. But in the true Trekkie tradition, I can't help myself, I have to criticize.
*I have to move the camera too much during combat. Free camera is a nice feature, but durring combat it is annoying.
*Navigation lacks the nerd factor. It feels like I am looking at a magic map, not a 3D starmap. An old game called Klingon Academy had a great navigation system. You could pick any x,y,z coordinate and tell the computer to go there.
*The screen is too crowded and the colors are off. Space lacks the awe factor.
Space combat does not feel deep. (I still like it. I liked Bridge Commander. But not as much as I liked Starfleet Command 1 and 2.) Maneuvering, fitting out your ship, and waiting for a chance to sneak in a torpedo is all STO has to offer.
I am seriously never going to be able to play this thing in Beta.
Quote from: starbright on January 14, 2010, 03:57:45 PM
An old game called Klingon Academy
I loved that game! :nerd:
Had like 12 cds lol
I got kicked off the server while fighting Borg in the tutorial.
Quote from: Savonarola on January 14, 2010, 03:52:28 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 14, 2010, 02:02:27 AM
No seriously - anyone live near a Del Taco? :)
I'm pretty sure I live several thousand miles away from one...
There are a couple in Metro Detroit. Do you still need someone to pick up a code for you?
Yes please. :hug:
Quote from: starbright on January 14, 2010, 03:57:45 PM
Space combat does not feel deep. (I still like it. I liked Bridge Commander. But not as much as I liked Starfleet Command 1 and 2.) Maneuvering, fitting out your ship, and waiting for a chance to sneak in a torpedo is all STO has to offer.
Wait until you fight some of the harder battles and you acquire crew members with skills. Shifting shields, shifting power to various systems and using skills becomes more important.
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 14, 2010, 04:44:39 PM
Quote from: starbright on January 14, 2010, 03:57:45 PM
Space combat does not feel deep. (I still like it. I liked Bridge Commander. But not as much as I liked Starfleet Command 1 and 2.) Maneuvering, fitting out your ship, and waiting for a chance to sneak in a torpedo is all STO has to offer.
Wait until you fight some of the harder battles and you acquire crew members with skills. Shifting shields, shifting power to various systems and using skills becomes more important.
I used this analogy before. Fighting wolves in Elwynn forest at level 1 didn't feel deep either. It got better once you had more skills and abilities.
Question for someone who has done more than just the tutorial:
So for ground combat they've introduced the idea of personal shields. It rather niftily gets around the problem of how do you survive a disruptor blast, and it's somewhat "canon" since the Borg had them, and I guess the Federation learned how to build them.
But does the game give these shields to every enemy you fight, ever? Surely not everyone in the galaxy has developed this technology in the last 30 years?
:nerd:
Quote from: Berkut on January 14, 2010, 03:13:00 PM
One way you could try to get away from the "tank" group encounter mechanic would be to create a substantial penalty for NOT engaging every target.
Lets say that in a typical fight, anyone who is not being fired at by someone (suppresssed) does 3x as much damage.
Then, the combat mechanics start revolving around trying to suppress everyone else, while having someone on your side NOT be suppressed. Maybe the better way to think of it is that anyone suppressed does 1/3rd damage, or whatever.
This would be quite accurate in terms of historical long-range-gunfire warship combat, where ships not being fired at didn't have to jink and duck, reducing their own accuracy. A failure to engage every ship possible was considered a serious breakdown in command and control, as at Dogger Bank, where HMS
Tiger's failure to engage SMS
Moltke cost the British heavy damage.
Quote from: grumbler on January 14, 2010, 05:15:01 PM
Quote from: Berkut on January 14, 2010, 03:13:00 PM
One way you could try to get away from the "tank" group encounter mechanic would be to create a substantial penalty for NOT engaging every target.
Lets say that in a typical fight, anyone who is not being fired at by someone (suppresssed) does 3x as much damage.
Then, the combat mechanics start revolving around trying to suppress everyone else, while having someone on your side NOT be suppressed. Maybe the better way to think of it is that anyone suppressed does 1/3rd damage, or whatever.
This would be quite accurate in terms of historical long-range-gunfire warship combat, where ships not being fired at didn't have to jink and duck, reducing their own accuracy. A failure to engage every ship possible was considered a serious breakdown in command and control, as at Dogger Bank, where HMS Tiger's failure to engage SMS Moltke cost the British heavy damage.
This seems to be how the ground combat works. If someone is left alone they can "aim" and do much more damage. Plus the combination of moving to flank and firing an aimed shot is devastating.
I have not fought in a multiple ship combat yet so I am not sure whether similar dynamics are used in space but hopefully it is similar.
Beeb, no not every enemy has personal shields.
Quote from: Barrister on January 14, 2010, 04:47:09 PM
I used this analogy before. Fighting wolves in Elwynn forest at level 1 didn't feel deep either. It got better once you had more skills and abilities.
You have a point and so do I. People who played SFC2 and SFC3 will know what I am talking about. SFC3 had a very innovative combat system where accuracy was based on relative motion of two ships and power allocation mattered a little bit. It was fun, but SFC2 system was more fun. Ships felt more like ships than fighters.
Quote from: katmai on January 14, 2010, 07:49:47 PM
Beeb, no not every enemy has personal shields.
So can you disintegrate those enemies with a single phaser blast?
Quote from: Barrister on January 14, 2010, 08:13:02 PM
Quote from: katmai on January 14, 2010, 07:49:47 PM
Beeb, no not every enemy has personal shields.
So can you disintegrate those enemies with a single phaser blast?
Hmmm not usually, most will take 2 shots. and some of them do vaporize like in the movies.
I like the little app/widget they have on front page of STO that shows your friends status if they are ingame or not.
Quote from: Beebs
Quote from: grumbler on January 14, 2010, 05:15:01 PM
This would be quite accurate in terms of historical long-range-gunfire warship combat, where ships not being fired at didn't have to jink and duck, reducing their own accuracy. A failure to engage every ship possible was considered a serious breakdown in command and control, as at Dogger Bank, where HMS Tiger's failure to engage SMS Moltke cost the British heavy damage.
This seems to be how the ground combat works. If someone is left alone they can "aim" and do much more damage. Plus the combination of moving to flank and firing an aimed shot is devastating.
If true, this would seem to answer the 'how does this differ from WoW" argument (if I understand WoW combat, which isn't likely, quite frankly! :P)
$239 lifetime subscription. :hmm:
:lol:
Quote from: katmai on January 14, 2010, 08:21:43 PM
I like the little app/widget they have on front page of STO that shows your friends status if they are ingame or not.
QuoteThe friends service is currently down.
Yeah, I can run the game now!
Booo, I cannot get past the "Connecting to Login Server..." screen. It just times out eventuallly.
Worst.
Game.
Ever.
Quote from: Berkut on January 14, 2010, 09:17:34 PM
Yeah, I can run the game now!
Booo, I cannot get past the "Connecting to Login Server..." screen. It just times out eventuallly.
Worst.
Game.
Ever.
"Goddamn it I WANT A REFUND!" :ultra:
Oh wait...
Poor Berkut.
Damn, lifetime is expensive.
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 14, 2010, 10:08:27 PM
Poor Berkut.
Damn, lifetime is expensive.
Aye comes with playable borg incentive.
And the app is up for me, must be your sucky mac beeb.
As I was telling FD in-game, you can fly all around earth and it's neat to see how it looks from space... like the eastern half of the US is one giant city. Oh and Haiti is still a P.O.S. :Embarrass:
Also there are colonies all over the moon. :cool:
It's really funny. My Mac is usually super quiet. But when I fire up STO the fan soon starts going full blast. I just quit STO, and within a few seconds it starts spooling down.
I guess it just is really demanding on the processor/graphics card causing a lot of heat, but no other game has ever done that to it.
I like the space battles so far, they are like the simplified, or rather MMO-izied version of the star fleet battles games for the PC. Altough, despite it feels simplified, I haven't found the element which simplifies it, because it does have shield and weapon arcs, energy distribution management, plus officer skills.
Yeah it doesn't take a Nelson to win the battles but hey, the shield and weapon arcs alone raise the complexity well above normal MMO level.
And Berkut, why don't you redownload this thing, I have yet to get anything more serious than some lag, and I live on the other side of the world FFS.
Quote from: Barrister on January 15, 2010, 01:55:52 AM
It's really funny. My Mac is usually super quiet. But when I fire up STO the fan soon starts going full blast. I just quit STO, and within a few seconds it starts spooling down.
I guess it just is really demanding on the processor/graphics card causing a lot of heat, but no other game has ever done that to it.
I'm not alone! My computer is also super quiet but STO makes the HDD spin like a motherfucker.
Not enough RAM
That's true but Windows XP 32bit can only handle so much.
Quote from: Barrister on January 14, 2010, 08:13:02 PM
Quote from: katmai on January 14, 2010, 07:49:47 PM
Beeb, no not every enemy has personal shields.
So can you disintegrate those enemies with a single phaser blast?
Rifle, aim, use sniping ability from a flanking position and the guy is very dead. Even from non-flanink he gets near-dead at the very least
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 15, 2010, 07:23:21 AM
That's true but Windows XP 32bit can only handle so much.
Hm strange, I also have only that much but no problems, probably then there is (are) memory leak(s)
It's just a fast spinning, I'm not worried, just surprised.
PLayed the tutorial alst night, crashed after we killed the Borg shield array and I was supposed to bean back to my ship.
The space combat so far is kind of anemic. Seems like the ships are all right on top of each other flying around in a circle blasting away.
The ground combat seems pretty fun though. I like the importance of flanking.
Will play some more tonight I imagine.
Yeah, in my limited experience so far I like ground ops much better than ship ops. Part of that could be getting used to the controls. Because I'm left-handed I *hate* WASD keyboard configs and usually remap ASAP, but given the other hotkeys right near WASD you need for ship combat, I am trying not doing that, for at least a little while.
I'm also Left Handed. I have remapped everything.
What setup did you create for yourself?
I should note that, with ground combat at least, it's already possible to use the arrow keys to move around. I think you need the arrow keys (by default) in space for shield power redirection.
Oh that's might explain why I can't find how to do that :lol:
I have 2 mouse button that are map to Num Pad 3 & 8 which are skill 1 & 2.
Arrows for movement, Home is sprint.
Interact is Right Shift
Page Up & Page Down are throttle
Y is auto-run.
Haven't played much with the rest.
The basic problem I see right now with the spaceship combat is that it isn't ranged.
You basically have to be right on top of the other guy to shoot. So there really isn't any "maneuver" per se, just circling trying to keep a stronger shield facing their weaker shield, which is going to be done by running around in circles, then running around in a circle in the other direction.
Interstellar combat at knife fighting range. I suspect fleet battles will be a giant swirling mess of ships blasting away, with no reason to have any kind of formation.
Quote from: Berkut on January 15, 2010, 10:51:23 AM
Interstellar combat at knife fighting range. I suspect fleet battles will be a giant swirling mess of ships blasting away, with no reason to have any kind of formation.
So they remain true to the movies and tv shows? Cool.
Yeah. It'll probably look cool, though (though not resemble the naval battles I think we all want it to).
Quote from: Tamas on January 15, 2010, 07:16:43 AM
Not enough RAM
That shouldn't be a problem for me.
The problem instead is "Windows XP doesn't recognize enough RAM". <_<
Quote from: Berkut on January 15, 2010, 10:51:23 AM
You basically have to be right on top of the other guy to shoot. So there really isn't any "maneuver" per se, just circling trying to keep a stronger shield facing their weaker shield, which is going to be done by running around in circles, then running around in a circle in the other direction.
The basic range is 10k. Looking ahead at the skills and components it looks like that will vary depending on weaponry. You are using the basic craft.
Also, instead of just circling around to keep a strong shield at the target try shifting your shields while you stay in the arc of his weak shielded area.
One thing I would like to see is the ability to target mutiple craft. I assume that will come with skills/components as you progress.
I just picked up my first few skills and can already see how they'll add more options to space combat.
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 15, 2010, 06:53:43 AM
Quote from: Barrister on January 15, 2010, 01:55:52 AM
It's really funny. My Mac is usually super quiet. But when I fire up STO the fan soon starts going full blast. I just quit STO, and within a few seconds it starts spooling down.
I guess it just is really demanding on the processor/graphics card causing a lot of heat, but no other game has ever done that to it.
I'm not alone! My computer is also super quiet but STO makes the HDD spin like a motherfucker.
It's not my HDD though. It's the system fan than runs at full blast throughout the entire game.
It's been awhile so I'm going to blast some compressed air and clean it out. See if that helps at all.
One interesting (and not in a good way) thing I learned on the sTO forums:
The lifetims subscription gives you two extra character slots. That seems like it'll be a big thing, since Cryptic confirmed you'll only get two character slots. Once you unlock Klingons, you'll get a third slot (which you don't need to use for a Klingon).
Only 3 slots. Ever.
The tried to justify it saying how much more data is required for each STO character slot, since you have not just the character, but up to 5 ships, up to 10 bridge officers, etc. And there's less need I think for crafting alts or bank alts. But it doesn't seem like a lot.
Quote from: Barrister on January 14, 2010, 04:42:23 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on January 14, 2010, 03:52:28 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 14, 2010, 02:02:27 AM
No seriously - anyone live near a Del Taco? :)
I'm pretty sure I live several thousand miles away from one...
There are a couple in Metro Detroit. Do you still need someone to pick up a code for you?
Yes please. :hug:
PMed you the code, live long and prosper.
Hm. I don't feel like running these boring missions anymore. Where do I go for PvP? :hmm: Is there even any at all in the beta? If so, are there actually consequences when you die shooting at other players? There don't seem to be any when you get blown up while orbiting NPCs. Just the respawn timer, and if you're alone, the NPC ships seem to move back to their starting positions.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 15, 2010, 01:33:48 PM
Hm. I don't feel like running these boring missions anymore. Where do I go for PvP? :hmm: Is there even any at all in the beta? If so, are there actually consequences when you die shooting at other players? There don't seem to be any when you get blown up while orbiting NPCs. Just the respawn timer, and if you're alone, the NPC ships seem to move back to their starting positions.
:lol: Seems like this one is cut from the same cloth as the other MMOs - I'll pass.
G.
Quote from: Grallon on January 15, 2010, 01:35:59 PM
:lol: Seems like this one is cut from the same cloth as the other MMOs - I'll pass.
G.
It actually kind of feels like it's a regular single player type game with multiplayer instead of an MMO, if you know what I mean. To be fair though, I may be missing something, since this is only my second day in the beta.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 15, 2010, 01:59:54 PM
It actually kind of feels like it's a regular single player type game with multiplayer instead of an MMO, if you know what I mean. To be fair though, I may be missing something, since this is only my second day in the beta.
That is the sense I have of it, although Katmai thinks its just because I have not gone through the missions that require me to find a group yet.
Quote from: Grallon on January 15, 2010, 01:35:59 PM
:lol: Seems like this one is cut from the same cloth as the other MMOs - I'll pass.
Just in case there was any doubt:
this game may be sown together in a slightly different style, but it definitely cut from the same MMO cloth.
That being said G, it's not a bad cloth. Many people have enjoyed MMOs.
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 15, 2010, 02:03:11 PM
That is the sense I have of it, although Katmai thinks its just because I have not gone through the missions that require me to find a group yet.
I have, and there really isn't anything there that a swarm of NPC controlled friendly ships couldn't handle. It wouldn't be as good as a swarm of player controlled ships, I guess, but what difference does it really make? There's hardly any interaction between players at all, aside from maybe shooting the same NPC at the same time. Maybe some comments here or there in team/local chat. They might as well be NPCs as it is.
Edit: If you want to check out group combat right now, you can go to Station 24 or one of the enemy ships circling around on the warp map. Not really missions (unless you get assigned one that sends you to those places, I guess), but you can't do those solo, and there are usually some people there.
Quote from: Berkut on January 15, 2010, 10:51:23 AM
The basic problem I see right now with the spaceship combat is that it isn't ranged.
You basically have to be right on top of the other guy to shoot. So there really isn't any "maneuver" per se, just circling trying to keep a stronger shield facing their weaker shield, which is going to be done by running around in circles, then running around in a circle in the other direction.
Interstellar combat at knife fighting range. I suspect fleet battles will be a giant swirling mess of ships blasting away, with no reason to have any kind of formation.
So, it's more like aerial combat than naval?
Quote from: Strix on January 15, 2010, 02:26:21 PM
So, it's more like aerial combat than naval?
Combat takes place 10km and in, so even closer range than that can be.
Quote from: Strix on January 15, 2010, 02:26:21 PM
Quote from: Berkut on January 15, 2010, 10:51:23 AM
The basic problem I see right now with the spaceship combat is that it isn't ranged.
You basically have to be right on top of the other guy to shoot. So there really isn't any "maneuver" per se, just circling trying to keep a stronger shield facing their weaker shield, which is going to be done by running around in circles, then running around in a circle in the other direction.
Interstellar combat at knife fighting range. I suspect fleet battles will be a giant swirling mess of ships blasting away, with no reason to have any kind of formation.
So, it's more like aerial combat than naval?
Somewhere in between. Ships still seem like they have some weight and momentum, and can't turn on a dime. But they're a lot faster than actual naval vessels.
So far what seems like the best strategy is to stay at right angles to the enemy, so you can fire with both forward and aft phasers, then turn in and fire torpedoes when a shield is down. But with more abilities and more ship customization I'm sure it'll get more intricate.
Quote from: Barrister on January 15, 2010, 02:36:07 PM
But with more abilities and more ship customization I'm sure it'll get more intricate.
There are turrets that shoot 360 degrees. I have one of those slapped on the ass end of my ship, so I can just unload everything when the badguy is in the forward torpedo arc. It doesn't do as much damage as a regular phasor or disruptor bank, but it makes up for it by
always shooting, no matter what angle. There are also cannons with 45 (IIRC) and 90 degree firing cones that seem to be more irritating than they're worth with the shitty starter ship and it's lack of maneuverability.
Mine layers are kinda fun too, if you dump them out at the right time.
Quote from: Barrister on January 15, 2010, 02:36:07 PM
So far what seems like the best strategy is to stay at right angles to the enemy,
Thinking about it, that's actually a very naval combat concept. :nelson:
Quote from: Barrister on January 15, 2010, 02:45:26 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 15, 2010, 02:36:07 PM
So far what seems like the best strategy is to stay at right angles to the enemy,
Thinking about it, that's actually a very naval combat concept. :nelson:
Yeah, I am pretty sure that is what Incan torpedo boats do.
I finished the tutorials as Andorian "female" tac person. I have a human female engineer and a female betazoid science officer. :blush:
And I have a Miranda class ship.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ficanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com%2F2007%2F09%2F128340218662187500khaaan.jpg&hash=e49d878ce9313ad36a29ba0bcd6389756dfd8f61)
After obtaining a beta key, I am now downloading the beta client. Mayhap this shall be my replacement for WoW instead of LotRO.
I have given my beta acc to a friend of mine so Tarsyk will be someone else from here on out. I will buy it, prolly off Steam, and perhaps return to beta, but will likely wait until release
Okay my final account's handle is "Dansky"
Savonarola is awesome by the way. He in fact did buy some crap at Del Taco and give me the code. :hug:
I'm going to mail him a Yukon First Nations art post card in thanks. :Canuck:
So after several days of barely being able to play, my wife has gone out of town and I plan on geeking out with STO all weekend.
I think I might re-roll however. I'm not crazy about how my Vulcan looks, and would like to re-do the tutorial.
But anyways, look for me in the 25th century this weekend.
MBM
You want to head to the sector south of the starting area.
You should get a mission at lvl 6 to meet a Commander Wildman at Satrbase K7, she will give you access to pvp vs non ai klingons.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 15, 2010, 02:18:28 PM
Edit: If you want to check out group combat right now, you can go to Station 24 or one of the enemy ships circling around on the warp map. Not really missions (unless you get assigned one that sends you to those places, I guess), but you can't do those solo, and there are usually some people there.
And those fleet actions like defend starbase 24 are similar to the warhammer public instances that the higher 'score" you get at end of the battle the nicer the enhancement you will receive. I topped out in 1st place in one and recieved a nice sensor array for science slot.
I am in. :thumbsup: BenedictArnold. I figured out how to make a close aproximation of TOS Uniforms: Use the TNG Movie uniform and adjust the colors to make only the undershit black, with either Red, Yellow, or Blue on the rest.
Quote from: Barrister on January 15, 2010, 05:25:02 PM
But anyways, look for me in the 25th century this weekend.
We always look for you in the 25th century, BB. ;)
Quote from: Berkut on January 15, 2010, 10:51:23 AM
The basic problem I see right now with the spaceship combat is that it isn't ranged.
You basically have to be right on top of the other guy to shoot. So there really isn't any "maneuver" per se, just circling trying to keep a stronger shield facing their weaker shield, which is going to be done by running around in circles, then running around in a circle in the other direction.
Interstellar combat at knife fighting range. I suspect fleet battles will be a giant swirling mess of ships blasting away, with no reason to have any kind of formation.
Stop trying to make decisions from just playing tutorial, it's like judging wow from starter areas only :P
Quote from: Barrister on January 15, 2010, 12:11:01 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 15, 2010, 06:53:43 AM
Quote from: Barrister on January 15, 2010, 01:55:52 AM
It's really funny. My Mac is usually super quiet. But when I fire up STO the fan soon starts going full blast. I just quit STO, and within a few seconds it starts spooling down.
I guess it just is really demanding on the processor/graphics card causing a lot of heat, but no other game has ever done that to it.
I'm not alone! My computer is also super quiet but STO makes the HDD spin like a motherfucker.
It's not my HDD though. It's the system fan than runs at full blast throughout the entire game.
It's been awhile so I'm going to blast some compressed air and clean it out. See if that helps at all.
Found a thread on the Tech help forums. I'm not alone with the game causing overheating issues.
Crap was gonna log in and see that server is down for 1hr maintenance.
Quote from: katmai on January 15, 2010, 10:01:19 PM
Crap was gonna log in and see that server is down for 1hr maintenance.
Same. :(
Obviously.
Silly website is saying server down, but GF if playing :o
Quote from: Syt on January 15, 2010, 03:18:08 PM
I finished the tutorials as Andorian "female" tac person. I have a human female engineer and a female betazoid science officer. :blush:
And I have a Miranda class ship.
Andorians have 4 genders, it's not as simple as male or female.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 15, 2010, 11:07:30 PM
Quote from: Syt on January 15, 2010, 03:18:08 PM
I finished the tutorials as Andorian "female" tac person. I have a human female engineer and a female betazoid science officer. :blush:
And I have a Miranda class ship.
Andorians have 4 genders, it's not as simple as male or female.
That's non-canon. :nerd:
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Andorian
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 15, 2010, 11:07:30 PM
Quote from: Syt on January 15, 2010, 03:18:08 PM
I finished the tutorials as Andorian "female" tac person. I have a human female engineer and a female betazoid science officer. :blush:
And I have a Miranda class ship.
Andorians have 4 genders, it's not as simple as male or female.
I know that. Which is why I put female in quotation marks.
I also guess that while Andorians find fourways pretty normal, they probably frown on threesomes or fivesomes. Swinger parties would take one heck of an organization effort.
Quote from: katmai on January 15, 2010, 08:51:02 PM
Quote from: Berkut on January 15, 2010, 10:51:23 AM
The basic problem I see right now with the spaceship combat is that it isn't ranged.
You basically have to be right on top of the other guy to shoot. So there really isn't any "maneuver" per se, just circling trying to keep a stronger shield facing their weaker shield, which is going to be done by running around in circles, then running around in a circle in the other direction.
Interstellar combat at knife fighting range. I suspect fleet battles will be a giant swirling mess of ships blasting away, with no reason to have any kind of formation.
Stop trying to make decisions from just playing tutorial, it's like judging wow from starter areas only :P
Where is the fun in that???
Crap - another emergency maintenance?
On an unrelated note: the Barrister's house guests have got to go. It was a Friday night, wife is out of town, I planned to geek out on STO. But the resident nine year old just had to hang out in my man-cave/office, just had to watch crappy Disney channels shows, and generally hover around and engage me in inane conversations. Now he's a decent kid, but he's not my kid, so I just retreated into my bedroom. :mad:
Now it's 10:20, I can come back to my mancave/office, and the damn servers are down. :mad:
(by the way it isn't a cave at all - several nice big windows with mountain views. But you get the idea)
I thought they leave next month.
Quote from: katmai on January 16, 2010, 01:22:40 AM
I thought they leave next month.
I'm taking this to the back room.
Quote from: Berkut on January 16, 2010, 01:10:35 AM
Quote from: katmai on January 15, 2010, 08:51:02 PM
Quote from: Berkut on January 15, 2010, 10:51:23 AM
The basic problem I see right now with the spaceship combat is that it isn't ranged.
You basically have to be right on top of the other guy to shoot. So there really isn't any "maneuver" per se, just circling trying to keep a stronger shield facing their weaker shield, which is going to be done by running around in circles, then running around in a circle in the other direction.
Interstellar combat at knife fighting range. I suspect fleet battles will be a giant swirling mess of ships blasting away, with no reason to have any kind of formation.
Stop trying to make decisions from just playing tutorial, it's like judging wow from starter areas only :P
Where is the fun in that???
I DON"T KNOW!
Okay guys, I'm seriously tempted to buy the lifetime.
Someone give me a virtual slap upside the head, as there's only one MMO ever I've played for 16 months at a time, out of the many I've tried...
Quote from: Barrister on January 16, 2010, 01:31:06 AM
Okay guys, I'm seriously tempted to buy the lifetime.
Someone give me a virtual slap upside the head, as there's only one MMO ever I've played for 16 months at a time, out of the many I've tried...
:shutup:
Quote from: katmai on January 16, 2010, 01:32:01 AM
Quote from: Barrister on January 16, 2010, 01:31:06 AM
Okay guys, I'm seriously tempted to buy the lifetime.
Someone give me a virtual slap upside the head, as there's only one MMO ever I've played for 16 months at a time, out of the many I've tried...
:shutup:
Moneybags, don't tell me you...
Quote from: Barrister on January 16, 2010, 01:33:47 AM
Quote from: katmai on January 16, 2010, 01:32:01 AM
Quote from: Barrister on January 16, 2010, 01:31:06 AM
Okay guys, I'm seriously tempted to buy the lifetime.
Someone give me a virtual slap upside the head, as there's only one MMO ever I've played for 16 months at a time, out of the many I've tried...
:shutup:
Moneybags, don't tell me you...
Okay I won't tell you....
Okay tell me.....
Server is up!
Quote from: katmai on January 16, 2010, 01:37:46 AM
Server is up!
Okay, that's probably better news to tell me. :)
Quote from: Barrister on January 16, 2010, 01:31:06 AM
Okay guys, I'm seriously tempted to buy the lifetime.
Someone give me a virtual slap upside the head, as there's only one MMO ever I've played for 16 months at a time, out of the many I've tried...
I got the lifetime sub for LotRO and didn't regret it (granted, with the game etc, it was only 100 EUR), as I got more playing out of it than some other 50 EUR games combined. I still log on now and then when I feel like killing orcs with my elf championette.
THis really is a lot of fun. Even the space combat.
Quote from: katmai on January 15, 2010, 06:18:33 PM
MBM
You want to head to the sector south of the starting area.
You should get a mission at lvl 6 to meet a Commander Wildman at Satrbase K7, she will give you access to pvp vs non ai klingons.
Already met her and her two dudes there in the main room. They didn't give me shit to do. <_< Have to go back and slap them around.
Hey Beeb,
So played enough to hit lvl 11 and picked up my next ship.
Default name was this :D
Quote from: Berkut on January 15, 2010, 08:54:26 AM
PLayed the tutorial alst night, crashed after we killed the Borg shield array and I was supposed to bean back to my ship.
The space combat so far is kind of anemic. Seems like the ships are all right on top of each other flying around in a circle blasting away.
The ground combat seems pretty fun though. I like the importance of flanking.
Will play some more tonight I imagine.
You'll see some better battles. The battles against damaged Borg ships lulled me into a false sense of security; an Orion battleship toasted me once and damn near got me twice. Those buggers practically piss torpedoes.
Also picked up a Cruiser. the U.S.S. Sitka has the turning speed of, of, well something really slow :P
But with the 2nd engineering slot for BO's, my shields are rarely in danger.
I know this has been answered elsewhere in this thread, but damned if I'm going to go through nigh 70 pages to find one little detail: how do I find you guys in-game again?
Quote from: DontSayBanana on January 16, 2010, 09:46:52 AM
I know this has been answered elsewhere in this thread, but damned if I'm going to go through nigh 70 pages to find one little detail: how do I find you guys in-game again?
easiest way is to join the languish chat channel. :P
or you can try to add
@couchaddict=Grey Fox
@Barristerboy=:P
@katmai523=me
How do you avoid you guys?
Tell us you are a Swedish nuclear engineer. :)
LOL - it didn't take long to discover the first mission to replenish the dilithium crystals.
Got a cruiser, then the game started crashing constantly, so ffff. At least I got to test it out once.
Quote from: Star Trek OnlineThe Server is busy at the moment. Please try again later.
Pissing me off. <_<
At least introduce a queue to log in, rather than have me log in time after time...
Quote from: Barrister on January 16, 2010, 07:48:45 PM
Quote from: Star Trek OnlineThe Server is busy at the moment. Please try again later.
Pissing me off. <_<
At least introduce a queue to log in, rather than have me log in time after time...
I can't even get to that point right now. What the hell does it mean when it says "Verifying," and goes through listing file names and counting...well...the files, I assume. :huh: This is the second time it's done th
Oh it crashed last time I played it, and the time before it had also crashed previously. Actually, now that I think about it, those two crashes right after I bought that cruiser were the only times it has done that to me. Sure the servers shit out and all that, but the game itself had been pretty stable right up until that point. :(
That is weird that you are now crashing. but yeah I get the verify files after a ctd.
Quote from: katmai on January 16, 2010, 09:50:45 AM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on January 16, 2010, 09:46:52 AM
I know this has been answered elsewhere in this thread, but damned if I'm going to go through nigh 70 pages to find one little detail: how do I find you guys in-game again?
easiest way is to join the languish chat channel. :P
How?
Quote from: Syt on January 17, 2010, 12:45:50 AM
Quote from: katmai on January 16, 2010, 09:50:45 AM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on January 16, 2010, 09:46:52 AM
I know this has been answered elsewhere in this thread, but damned if I'm going to go through nigh 70 pages to find one little detail: how do I find you guys in-game again?
easiest way is to join the languish chat channel. :P
How?
Right click on your chat window.
It brings up a new window with three tabs, click on center one.
In the dialogue box for join/create type in languish
you should be in channel simple as that, no one on atm though :P
Woot. :lol:
Nice. :thumbsup:
I'd wondered if I could monkey around enough to make an Orion chick. I was: successful. :cool:
Quote from: Judas Iscariot on January 17, 2010, 03:53:42 AM
I'd wondered if I could monkey around enough to make an Orion chick. I was: successful. :cool:
The character generator does offer a lot of nice flexibility. :thumbsup:
The game play is not very satisfying. Anyone becoming disillusioned?
If Feds and Klinks are the only playable races, PvP will lack variety. And what happens if there is a large player imbalance?
Quote from: starbright on January 17, 2010, 02:30:13 PM
The game play is not very satisfying. Anyone becoming disillusioned?
Yeah, I think I'm done playing for a while. It stopped crashing last night though, at least.
I guess next up for me to try is the new Star Wars game whenever that becomes available to mess with, either in a beta or free trial.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 17, 2010, 02:34:40 PM
I guess next up for me to try is the new Star Wars game whenever that becomes available to mess with, either in a beta or free trial.
Around March 2011.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on January 17, 2010, 02:34:40 PM
Yeah, I think I'm done playing for a while. It stopped crashing last night though, at least.
This game is not buggy for me and lag has been minimal. I can't complain about that.
Graphics issue: I admit that the graphics engine is techinically very good. I saw one system where planet color and asteroid textures are done just right. I saw the shadow of my ship glide along the surface of a huge asteroid as I was making a slow orbit. On the majority of maps the textures and colors are shit.
What is the trigger to advance in level to lieutenant? It's one of the skills...
Quote from: Barrister on January 17, 2010, 04:27:38 PM
What is the trigger to advance in level to lieutenant? It's one of the skills...
Hover your mouse over the advancement bar thing at the top of the screen and see if it shows you what all is necessary skill wise.
Quote from: starbright on January 17, 2010, 02:30:13 PM
The game play is not very satisfying. Anyone becoming disillusioned?
If Feds and Klinks are the only playable races, PvP will lack variety. And what happens if there is a large player imbalance?
Because it's all instanced it should balance out. The only risk I suppose is that one side (likely Federation) have long waits to enter PvP battles, while the other side (likely Klingons) get almost immediate PvP.
But no, I'm not disillusioned. I quite like the game. :)
But the login problems are a pain in the ass. <_<
Haven't been able to log in since Friday nite. This is fun.
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 17, 2010, 07:10:57 PM
Haven't been able to log in since Friday nite. This is fun.
If you keep trying you do get in eventually. But there really should be a queue instead.
Of course, but I am not going to stand there & spam log in for 45mins everytime I want to play.
Of all the things that I could have been wrong with this game, this is pretty much the only one that could turn me off of it.
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 17, 2010, 07:17:08 PM
Of course, but I am not going to stand there & spam log in for 45mins everytime I want to play.
Of all the things that I could have been wrong with this game, this is pretty much the only one that could turn me off of it.
Hasn't taken me that long. But yeah, taking 15 minutes to log in does piss me off.
It's no consolation but on the front of their little launcher they mention how adding servers as fast as possible to help witht he log-in issues.
Has anyone rolled a Klingon yet?
Quote from: katmai on January 17, 2010, 07:56:33 PM
It's no consolation but on the front of their little launcher they mention how adding servers as fast as possible to help witht he log-in issues.
They mention they're trying some software solutions as well. I'd expect that to mean that they're at least dabbling with the idea of a queue to make sure stragglers get in eventually.
It is beta, you should expect crap like this.
Quote from: Berkut on January 17, 2010, 11:31:58 PM
It is beta, you should expect crap like this.
Not able to speak for the mob, but I'm not stressing about it. I was able to get in long enough to get my combat to level 3 earlier, wasn't surprised when I wasn't able to get in after umpteen attempts shortly after lunch, and will try to find some dead-hours play later.
Played the Azura mission yesterday (yes, I play slowly so I don't spoil too much for the live game). Was pretty fun, esp. going alone in a Miranda against the battleship in the end. Also, I took part in an "open patrol" or whatever it's called. Rather fun.
Is there any other mmo-oriented forum out there to read, except for mmorpg.com's? I have to vomit from the people there. Threads upon threads upon threads (and lots of posts in each, too) about "I have found one feature I would have liked to see, but the game does not have. I declare this game: the worst effort ever to see the light, and its mere existence is an insult to the entire history of mankind, the developers should be hanged on a lamppole after being savagely raped by a band of angry and horny rhinos"
And no, this is not only for STO, but for each and every newish game. Feeble attempts at constructive discussions are quickly drowned in the sea of shit.
Can't say I have found any either sorry :(
Massively?
Couldnt wait for the free beta key to arrive so I crumbled and bought it :blush:
Quote from: Tamas on January 18, 2010, 02:54:50 AM
Is there any other mmo-oriented forum out there to read, except for mmorpg.com's? I have to vomit from the people there. Threads upon threads upon threads (and lots of posts in each, too) about "I have found one feature I would have liked to see, but the game does not have. I declare this game: the worst effort ever to see the light, and its mere existence is an insult to the entire history of mankind, the developers should be hanged on a lamppole after being savagely raped by a band of angry and horny rhinos"
And no, this is not only for STO, but for each and every newish game. Feeble attempts at constructive discussions are quickly drowned in the sea of shit.
Ten Ton Hammer has forums, but I've never really read them, so they might be the same.
Quote from: Barrister on January 17, 2010, 08:04:00 PM
Has anyone rolled a Klingon yet?
yeah, didn't do much with it yet though.
Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on January 18, 2010, 02:13:26 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 17, 2010, 08:04:00 PM
Has anyone rolled a Klingon yet?
yeah, didn't do much with it yet though.
My friend with my other beta account said he enjoys flying the romulan ship, despite not adopting to it properly yet.
His opinion is far from being just positive, and I am not sure if he will buy it, but he has been a major WoW addict, and all he knew about Star Trek was that it exists, so it's nice to see him glued to the STO beta.
Heh, my (any) ati card isnt supported with AA. It seems to be a known issue since closed beta so lets hope there will be a fix. Besides that I like the first mission and it all, even without AA, looks nice enough.
I'm doing the Delta Volanis cluster, but the missions keep getting bugged.
I know, beta and all that...
Quote from: Barrister on January 18, 2010, 10:33:59 PM
I'm doing the Delta Volanis cluster, but the missions keep getting bugged.
I know, beta and all that...
The clusters are big part of their genesis system which they only introduced last weekend so it is still some of the buggiest content out there.
Mine went without bug but I did get my ass handed to me by a bunch of klingon.
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 19, 2010, 07:00:25 AM
Mine went without bug but I did get my ass handed to me by a bunch of klingon.
Yeah, I had a tought time with that one - didnt finish it.
Nor did I, it's actually the last time I could play which was Friday.
Stupid Cryptics. If you instance the shit out of everything, how the hell can you run out of place?
I have no idea what that means... :huh:
I do like being able to just talk to Starfleet via subspace to turn in your quests. No travelling back to Starbase just to hand them in. :)
Was thrown into a couple of groups last night. Nice little feature I think, although some people aren't real talkative...
You know what I'd like to be able to do? Log in. Hasn't been possible for the past 3 days. :cry:
I had no trouble getting on at all last night.
Yeah I was able to log right in last night (first time that's happened for 3 days).
Of course I made sure not to log off afterwards...
Troubles with tribbles
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncBAT8BRqlM
result of equipping BOs with them... funny
I was able to log in last nite! Finally reached lvl 5.
Launch can't get here fast enough. :(
I did the Starbase 24 battles last night. Fun, but kind of a mess. A whole bunch of player ships, and a whole bunch of AI Klingons, all swarming each other. It's amazing how a half dozen Mirandas can take down even a full Battlecruiser in not time flat.
Of course once or twice I managed to gain AI aggro, and I deid before I had any chance to react...
I flew in the Klingon Swarm before the rest of the group could get there. I died in half a second.
Stay with the group.
I beamed over to whatever ship is in that scenario to do the rescue mission and got my ass handed to me by a bunch of Klingons and their war dogs.
I assume what I was supposed to do was form a party before going down.
Had my first auto-group ground mission. That was freat fun except my teammates didnt say a single word and kept running as fast as they could trough it. At first I also was a bit stunned one teammate took all the goodies but it seems loot from fallen enemies is divided, just not the stationary loot? The mission itself was strange as well, the Klingons, that were angry at us for protecting the ambassador, protect him when it reveals who he is. Shouldnt they taunt "I told you so!" and shoot him when it runs towards them?
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 20, 2010, 04:14:23 PM
I beamed over to whatever ship is in that scenario to do the rescue mission and got my ass handed to me by a bunch of Klingons and their war dogs.
I assume what I was supposed to do was form a party before going down.
It was just me when I beamed down. I had one wipe, but was otherwise able to handle the Klingons fairly easily. Fairly standard MMO tactics really - try and take down the biggest Klingon first, then take down the others. The doggies are annoying but they can outflank you if you're not careful.
There's a bug that sometimes causes you to appear on a map alone, when your away team is actually supposed to be with you.
Quote from: Barrister on January 20, 2010, 04:46:03 PM
try and take down the biggest Klingon first, then take down the others. The doggies are annoying but they can outflank you if you're not careful.
I havent figured out how to tell which is the hardest foe yet.
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 20, 2010, 05:46:57 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 20, 2010, 04:46:03 PM
try and take down the biggest Klingon first, then take down the others. The doggies are annoying but they can outflank you if you're not careful.
I havent figured out how to tell which is the hardest foe yet.
In that particular instance, the Swordmaster was a bitch (as he'd run up to you and skewer you with a bat'leth). I think there was also sometimes a Heavy Munitions Officer that packed a wallop. But in any group there was usually one Klingon with a different title than the others.
Wow - new patch. Having trouble even updating the launcher.
And just as I post that, it updates.
They replaced the "Engage!" button with "Play". Boo. :thumbsdown:
Ugh. Game's starting to grate because I'm stuck with the Miranda variant and missions where I keep getting Zilants and Negh'vars and K'tingas thrown at me. The "rescue the researchers" mission went horribly- I had to abort because I couldn't put a dent in the Zilant at the end.
They are patching atm and it's the patch lifting the level cap.
Not that any of you are anywhere near the cap :P
Quote from: katmai on January 20, 2010, 11:07:44 PM
They are patching atm and it's the patch lifting the level cap.
Not that any of you are anywhere near the cap :P
Hell, no. I've got four grades to go before I hit Lt. Cmdr. Gotta admit, though, complaints aside, I'm hooked. Right now, I'm just wondering who I can get to foot the purchase since I probably shouldn't be doing it myself at present...
EDIT: Besides, I'm not too worried about getting an awesome character together, since I know all the character data's gonna be deleted in a little over a week. ;)
I'm actually trying very hard to not play too much, for fear of burning out when release hits.
Quote from: Barrister on January 21, 2010, 02:13:45 AM
I'm actually trying very hard to not play too much, for fear of burning out when release hits.
:yes: I am not playing AT ALL
QuoteHeadline Updates!
Level Cap Removed!
•Cardassian and Romulan Sectors are now open for Federation Players.
•All bridge officer candidates offer a free basic customization option when they join your crew.
•You can now use the scan button on the MiniMap HUD to direct you towards the closest anomaly.
•Bridge Officers will now request transfer to your crew at various levels.
•Leonard Nimoy has provided an audio journal overview as you enter each new Sector Block.
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•Leonard Nimoy has provided an audio journal overview as you enter each new Sector Block.
Feels like I discovered a new tech :lol:
I'm impressed with the additions with the new patch. Went and picked up a escort class ship to round out the trio of ships.
Quote from: Seen on January 21, 2010, 12:50:13 PM
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•Leonard Nimoy has provided an audio journal overview as you enter each new Sector Block.
Feels like I discovered a new tech :lol:
That, and the Zach Quinto voiceover on the tutorial, feel very 'tacked-on' somehow, since there's otherwise no voice work in the game.
Btw, D2D is having a small contest:
http://www.direct2drive.co.uk/promos/star-trek-online/contest/
QuoteOnly at D2D!
Pre-order Star Trek Online or Star Trek Online Digital Deluxe Edition anytime by February 3, 2010, at 17:59 GMT to be automatically entered to win one of the following:
• 1 of 4 Lifetime subscriptions to Star Trek Online
or
• 1 of 30 6-month subscriptions to Star Trek Online
Already pre-ordered the game? No problem! You've already been entered to win!
Small print:
Quote3. ELIGIBILITY: Sweepstakes is open to legal residents of the United Kingdom who are at least 18 years of age. Entrant must have internet access as of Start Date.
:glare:
I've never seen an Online contest where Quebec residents were included.
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 21, 2010, 02:17:53 PM
I've never seen an Online contest where Quebec residents were included.
:nelson:
In other news, I am leaning towards buying a lifetime membership. :homestar:
Quote from: Barrister on January 21, 2010, 02:18:29 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 21, 2010, 02:17:53 PM
I've never seen an Online contest where Quebec residents were included.
:nelson:
In other news, I am leaning towards buying a lifetime membership. :homestar:
Not even the Klingons are ready, by the time you can actually play Borg, it will be available as an expansion. Plus later as initial player numbers will start to drop, lifetime membership will be cheaper. Dont do it now.
Quote from: Barrister on January 21, 2010, 02:18:29 PM
In other news, I am leaning towards buying a lifetime membership. :homestar:
It's 175 EUR over here, which is 75% more than the LotRO lifetime sub cost at release (AND that included the game pack itself).
The early start, btw, coincides with the ME2 release for me. :glare:
Quote from: Tamas on January 21, 2010, 02:35:07 PM
Plus later as initial player numbers will start to drop, lifetime membership will be cheaper. Dont do it now.
Not sure, as LotRO only offered lifetime sub at release (mabye they've re-introduced it now, have to check), but that was a different publisher.
Quote from: Tamas on January 21, 2010, 02:35:07 PM
Not even the Klingons are ready, by the time you can actually play Borg, it will be available as an expansion. Plus later as initial player numbers will start to drop, lifetime membership will be cheaper. Dont do it now.
If I get a lifetime membership, then the only time it makes sense is to buy it when you start playing, not down the road.
I doubt very much the Borg will be playable. You're part of a friggin hive mind. You can't learn skills or display independent thought. The Borg captain that comes with the lifetime is a "liberated borg" ala Seven of Nine or Cpt. Picard. I'm not all that interested in that benefit anyways.
They have announced that lifetime memberships will be available after initial launch, but at an increased price.
Quote from: Syt on January 21, 2010, 02:38:46 PM
Quote from: Tamas on January 21, 2010, 02:35:07 PM
Plus later as initial player numbers will start to drop, lifetime membership will be cheaper. Dont do it now.
Not sure, as LotRO only offered lifetime sub at release (mabye they've re-introduced it now, have to check), but that was a different publisher.
lotro has offered lifetime subs on several occassions after launch.
Quote from: Syt on January 21, 2010, 02:36:34 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 21, 2010, 02:18:29 PM
In other news, I am leaning towards buying a lifetime membership. :homestar:
It's 175 EUR over here, which is 75% more than the LotRO lifetime sub cost at release (AND that included the game pack itself).
The early start, btw, coincides with the ME2 release for me. :glare:
incorrect:
lifetime subscription for LOTRO at gamelaunch was 149.99 euros.
edit: I've still got the early launch box in which the offer for lifer was made. if needed I can scan the thing :p
Reached level nine. Game is becoming more fun, but I don't think it will last more than a year.
Why buy lifetime now?
Well, then it was 150 EUR. :P
Anyways, it included the game, whereas with STO the lifetime sub comes on top of buying the game, so it's easily over 200 EUR.
Don't listen to the naysayers Beeb!
Quote from: Syt on January 21, 2010, 03:11:52 PM
Well, then it was 150 EUR. :P
Anyways, it included the game, whereas with STO the lifetime sub comes on top of buying the game, so it's easily over 200 EUR.
are you sure it included the game?
cause I remember that either you had to use the voucher included in the pre-launch participation box (which was not the game) or yu had to buy that big book thing (which costed way over 200€ but came with a lifetime sub included.). Not sure if the lower tier collector's edition carried it, I think they had to go through the voucher.
That prelaunch box costed either 2.5€ or 10€ (can't remember, think it's 10), together with the game you ended up at 200€ at least.
Indeed cheaper than cryptic's effort at lifetime subbing, but not by much :p
Quote from: starbright on January 21, 2010, 03:10:58 PM
Reached level nine. Game is becoming more fun, but I don't think it will last more than a year.
Why buy lifetime now?
Because it makes no sense at all to pay for several months, and then buy a (more expensive) lifetime subscription. :huh:
Really guys, I don't get how "why now" is the question. The question is whether to do it at all.
And won't last a year - your interest, or the game itself? And while a few big MMOs have gone under, most manage to keep going, so I very much doubt the game will stop working. And with STO's "one server" philosophy you won't get the feeling of empty servers that other games have run into.
Quote from: Barrister on January 21, 2010, 04:02:45 PM
Because it makes no sense at all to pay for several months, and then buy a (more expensive) lifetime subscription. :huh:
Really guys, I don't get how "why now" is the question. The question is whether to do it at all.
Your logic confuses and frightens me.
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I saw that grumbler posted in this thread, and I assumed he was going to rant about getting stiffed on a lifetime magazine subscription during the Pelopennesian Wars.
Instead he went with an unfrozen caveman lawyer joke. :huh:
Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on January 21, 2010, 03:42:17 PM
are you sure it included the game?
cause I remember that either you had to use the voucher included in the pre-launch participation box (which was not the game) or yu had to buy that big book thing (which costed way over 200€ but came with a lifetime sub included.). Not sure if the lower tier collector's edition carried it, I think they had to go through the voucher.
That prelaunch box costed either 2.5€ or 10€ (can't remember, think it's 10), together with the game you ended up at 200€ at least.
Indeed cheaper than cryptic's effort at lifetime subbing, but not by much :p
:unsure: I'd have to dig out all those old receipts.
Motherfucking STO going down when I actually have the entire fucking night to play. :ultra:
Quote from: Barrister on January 22, 2010, 10:01:09 PM
Motherfucking STO going down when I actually have the entire fucking night to play. :ultra:
I thought you weren't playing too much as didn't want to get burned out?
:P
Server is up now.
Engage is back.
So whats the word? So far are you all still having fun? Would you recommend?
Quote from: Jaron on January 22, 2010, 11:05:29 PM
So whats the word? So far are you all still having fun? Would you recommend?
Terrible, awful game. You wouldn't like it. Don't waste your money.
Quote from: Barrister on January 22, 2010, 11:28:55 PM
Quote from: Jaron on January 22, 2010, 11:05:29 PM
So whats the word? So far are you all still having fun? Would you recommend?
Terrible, awful game. You wouldn't like it. Don't waste your money.
Thanks. :)
Well, the game survived my rather skeptical and critical view, and I definintely like it.
However, it looks like I won't be picking up my pre-order, as Berkutian family finances are in somewhat dire straits at the moment.
Quote from: Berkut on January 22, 2010, 11:41:15 PM
Well, the game survived my rather skeptical and critical view, and I definintely like it.
However, it looks like I won't be picking up my pre-order, as Berkutian family finances are in somewhat dire straits at the moment.
:(
That sucks.
Quote from: Barrister on January 22, 2010, 11:42:08 PM
Quote from: Berkut on January 22, 2010, 11:41:15 PM
Well, the game survived my rather skeptical and critical view, and I definintely like it.
However, it looks like I won't be picking up my pre-order, as Berkutian family finances are in somewhat dire straits at the moment.
:(
That sucks.
Meh, its temporary. Just one of those deals where everything unusual seems to happen at the same time, so discretionary fundage dries up for a little while.
But on the plus size, they changed the "Play" button back to "Engage". :thumbsup:
Berkie i give you the same advice i gave fahdizzle oh so many moons ago.
Sell one of the kids.
Quote from: katmai on January 23, 2010, 01:26:39 AM
Berkie i give you the same advice i gave fahdizzle oh so many moons ago.
Sell one of the kids.
That's bit drastic.... just lease 'em out a year at a time
So unless you buy the 12 month or lifetime you'll only be able to save three games at any given time? that sucks
Got a beta key myself.
This is actually my first MMO but reading this thread (barristers massive Tim'ian hype) and liking the Star Trek universe I decided to try it out. So far I like it. The question is if I like enough to pay the subscription fees. How does that work anyway? can you pause your subscription?
Anyway look out for Lt. Centius of the U.S.S. Legio
Quote from: Octavian on January 23, 2010, 05:01:35 PM
Got a beta key myself.
This is actually my first MMO but reading this thread (barristers massive Tim'ian hype)
:mad: I'm very restrained in my massive hype.
Quote from: Octavian
The question is if I like enough to pay the subscription fees. How does that work anyway? can you pause your subscription?
You pay for a month at a time. You can cancel your subscription at any time, and then once the month is up you have no further charges (but can not play any more). You can re-subscribe at any time, even after months or years. I've never heard of a MMO deleting your characters if you're inactive.
Quote from: Barrister on January 23, 2010, 05:04:18 PM
Quote from: Octavian on January 23, 2010, 05:01:35 PM
Got a beta key myself.
This is actually my first MMO but reading this thread (barristers massive Tim'ian hype)
:mad: I'm very restrained in my massive hype.
Quote from: Octavian
The question is if I like enough to pay the subscription fees. How does that work anyway? can you pause your subscription?
You pay for a month at a time. You can cancel your subscription at any time, and then once the month is up you have no further charges (but can not play any more). You can re-subscribe at any time, even after months or years. I've never heard of a MMO deleting your characters if you're inactive.
:P
thanks for the reply.
You bastards got to me. Fuck.
Tried the beta.
Yeah probably wont be getting this.
Quote from: Barrister on January 23, 2010, 05:04:18 PM
Quote from: Octavian on January 23, 2010, 05:01:35 PM
Got a beta key myself.
This is actually my first MMO but reading this thread (barristers massive Tim'ian hype)
:mad: I'm very restrained in my massive hype.
Quote from: Octavian
The question is if I like enough to pay the subscription fees. How does that work anyway? can you pause your subscription?
You pay for a month at a time. You can cancel your subscription at any time, and then once the month is up you have no further charges (but can not play any more). You can re-subscribe at any time, even after months or years. I've never heard of a MMO deleting your characters if you're inactive.
I think Age of Conan did :o
Starbase 24 keeps crashing on me :(
I am enjoying this. Vulcan Ensign Nerva, commander of the USS Bunker Hill. Shazaam!
Quote from: Scipio on January 24, 2010, 09:34:56 AM
I am enjoying this. Vulcan Ensign Nerva, commander of the USS Bunker Hill. Shazaam!
:D
Quote from: katmai on January 24, 2010, 09:36:14 AM
Quote from: Scipio on January 24, 2010, 09:34:56 AM
I am enjoying this. Vulcan Ensign Nerva, commander of the USS Bunker Hill. Shazaam!
:D
Engineering officers rock. We make excellent captains.
Yeah so far Engineering is my favorite branch. Thinking I'll be Engineer in Science Vessel or Cruiser in live game.
Federation took over my ship and im still alive!
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The dishonor!
Yeah, Engies are the best.
Sorry GF - as soon as I started zoning in the server booted me, and I can't get back in :(
Quote from: Barrister on January 24, 2010, 01:41:21 PM
Sorry GF - as soon as I started zoning in the server booted me, and I can't get back in :(
Same here.
Gawd, this game is aggravating.
It has more bugs than I'd like to see this late in development. :(
So we get back on, manage to zone into the right system together, but then it crashes.
:yeah:
Stuck at "getting account information".
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 24, 2010, 01:50:57 PM
:yeah:
Stuck at "getting account information".
Same. :yeah:
Confirmed: server is down.
Quote from: Barrister on January 24, 2010, 01:44:32 PM
It has more bugs than I'd like to see this late in development. :(
Yeah I'm a bit worried about that as well.
This is normal. You guys are spoiled. In my day...
I am: a STO Lifer. :ph34r:
I still haven't bought this.... Dunno if I'm going to or not yet either. :mellow:
Quote from: Alcibiades on January 24, 2010, 11:16:18 PM
I still haven't bought this.... Dunno if I'm going to or not yet either. :mellow:
Nothing wrong with that. :mellow:
It's possible I might not get my money's worth out of a lifetime subscription. I'm pretty sure it'll at least be close though, and I'll like not having to worry about monthly fees. I can play even just a few times a month and not worry about 'getting my money's worth'.
I shouldn't complain, abut another 'emergency maintenance'... :(
At least they warned us this time.
Quote from: Barrister on January 25, 2010, 12:51:35 AM
I shouldn't complain, abut another 'emergency maintenance'... :(
At least they warned us this time.
Lotro Europe had a few of those even after launch.
Quote from: Barrister on January 24, 2010, 11:18:46 PMIt's possible I might not get my money's worth out of a lifetime subscription.
Depends on how you look at it. I don't look at how long the subscription period would be for that price (roughly two years, I think), but rather at how many other games I could buy for that money and if I would spend as much time with STO as I might with them (and knowing how I have paid full price for some games I didn't spend more than 10 hours with, that threshld is not too high).
Quote from: Syt on January 25, 2010, 02:13:32 AM
Quote from: Barrister on January 24, 2010, 11:18:46 PMIt's possible I might not get my money's worth out of a lifetime subscription.
Depends on how you look at it. I don't look at how long the subscription period would be for that price (roughly two years, I think), but rather at how many other games I could buy for that money and if I would spend as much time with STO as I might with them (and knowing how I have paid full price for some games I didn't spend more than 10 hours with, that threshld is not too high).
I'm leaning towards going lifetime as well, I just need to look and see how much I have spent on WoW, City of heroes, and Lotro to see it makes sense for me to buy a lifetime. Even more so when factoring in my Trek :nerd:
Quote from: katmai on January 25, 2010, 02:46:15 AM
Quote from: Syt on January 25, 2010, 02:13:32 AM
Quote from: Barrister on January 24, 2010, 11:18:46 PMIt's possible I might not get my money's worth out of a lifetime subscription.
Depends on how you look at it. I don't look at how long the subscription period would be for that price (roughly two years, I think), but rather at how many other games I could buy for that money and if I would spend as much time with STO as I might with them (and knowing how I have paid full price for some games I didn't spend more than 10 hours with, that threshld is not too high).
I'm leaning towards going lifetime as well, I just need to look and see how much I have spent on WoW, City of heroes, and Lotro to see it makes sense for me to buy a lifetime. Even more so when factoring in my Trek :nerd:
How would pre-ordering the game three times count in that equation?
Quote from: sbr on January 25, 2010, 02:49:05 AM
Quote from: katmai on January 25, 2010, 02:46:15 AM
Quote from: Syt on January 25, 2010, 02:13:32 AM
Quote from: Barrister on January 24, 2010, 11:18:46 PMIt's possible I might not get my money's worth out of a lifetime subscription.
Depends on how you look at it. I don't look at how long the subscription period would be for that price (roughly two years, I think), but rather at how many other games I could buy for that money and if I would spend as much time with STO as I might with them (and knowing how I have paid full price for some games I didn't spend more than 10 hours with, that threshld is not too high).
I'm leaning towards going lifetime as well, I just need to look and see how much I have spent on WoW, City of heroes, and Lotro to see it makes sense for me to buy a lifetime. Even more so when factoring in my Trek :nerd:
How would pre-ordering the game three times count in that equation?
I kept my composure and only ordered it twice!
But as it stands I will have payed $140 for all the pre-order bonuses i wanted get 60 days of "free" game time and then have paid the once time fee of $240 for grand total of $380.
Considering I spent about double that in WoW fees for 4 years time I'll be content if game is still around in similar time frame.
Quote from: katmai on January 25, 2010, 02:46:15 AMI'm leaning towards going lifetime as well, I just need to look and see how much I have spent on WoW, City of heroes, and Lotro to see it makes sense for me to buy a lifetime. Even more so when factoring in my Trek :nerd:
Well, I got some mileage out of SWG, then later out of WoW which I played a couple months. I tried others (Vanguard, Conan, EVE) which I didn't like. Champions was not worth my investment. I still return to LotRO now and then (one day I'll crack level 30 :P ). I like the exploration aspect of MMORPGs a fair bit, and also a chance to hang back and just do some crafting or socializing.
STO seems geared a lot more towards instant action (though what I see of it I like), so I doubt at this point that I will stay with it beyond my "free" month, even though what I've seen so far is fun. But I think a Star Trek game should be about more than PWNIGN the opposition.
Star Wars: The Old Republic seems to be more up my alley (or so I hope), but as that one's still over a year away I can't say, really.
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Quote from: katmai on January 25, 2010, 02:46:15 AM
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Quote from: Barrister on January 24, 2010, 11:18:46 PMIt's possible I might not get my money's worth out of a lifetime subscription.
Depends on how you look at it. I don't look at how long the subscription period would be for that price (roughly two years, I think), but rather at how many other games I could buy for that money and if I would spend as much time with STO as I might with them (and knowing how I have paid full price for some games I didn't spend more than 10 hours with, that threshld is not too high).
I'm leaning towards going lifetime as well, I just need to look and see how much I have spent on WoW, City of heroes, and Lotro to see it makes sense for me to buy a lifetime. Even more so when factoring in my Trek :nerd:
How would pre-ordering the game three times count in that equation?
I kept my composure and only ordered it twice!
But as it stands I will have payed $140 for all the pre-order bonuses i wanted get 60 days of "free" game time and then have paid the once time fee of $240 for grand total of $380.
Considering I spent about double that in WoW fees for 4 years time I'll be content if game is still around in similar time frame.
*serious now*
So you bought it twice for $70? What is the "one time fee of $240"? Is that the lifetime subscription?
EDIT: No longer tainted. :yeah:
Quote from: Syt on January 25, 2010, 02:55:01 AM
Quote from: katmai on January 25, 2010, 02:46:15 AMI'm leaning towards going lifetime as well, I just need to look and see how much I have spent on WoW, City of heroes, and Lotro to see it makes sense for me to buy a lifetime. Even more so when factoring in my Trek :nerd:
Well, I got some mileage out of SWG, then later out of WoW which I played a couple months. I tried others (Vanguard, Conan, EVE) which I didn't like. Champions was not worth my investment. I still return to LotRO now and then (one day I'll crack level 30 :P ). I like the exploration aspect of MMORPGs a fair bit, and also a chance to hang back and just do some crafting or socializing.
STO seems geared a lot more towards instant action (though what I see of it I like), so I doubt at this point that I will stay with it beyond my "free" month, even though what I've seen so far is fun. But I think a Star Trek game should be about more than PWNIGN the opposition.
Star Wars: The Old Republic seems to be more up my alley (or so I hope), but as that one's still over a year away I can't say, really.
See i'm liking the game because i can log in and do just a few quests here and there, some discovery, others are resolve disputes and don't feel need to be blasting away. And except for a few toughies I can do them on my own time if my friends aren't available to play.
Quote from: sbr on January 25, 2010, 02:55:12 AM
*serious now*
So you bought it twice for $70? What is the "one time fee of $240"? Is that the lifetime subscription?
EDIT: No longer tainted. :yeah:
$60 for the Digital Deluxe and $80 with shipping for the Collectors hard copy edition. And yeah the discounted lifetime subscription is $240 till Feb 1st, after that it will be $299 and won't come with the "perks" of playable borg (meh) and extra character slots.
Quote from: katmai on January 25, 2010, 02:58:37 AM
See i'm liking the game because i can log in and do just a few quests here and there, some discovery, others are resolve disputes and don't feel need to be blasting away. And except for a few toughies I can do them on my own time if my friends aren't available to play.
The apparent soloability of the game, however, is a drawing point for me. It's a bit of a conundrum here.
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Just had a very very long ground combat mission PvE as my klingon. Only in the end was the team working together enough to plough trough the endless starfleet spawns. It is however the only easy way to get ground loot as a klingon I found till date so a well. It did show me the potential of a starfleet engineer (man they are annoying).
I think ill start an engineer starfleet friday, switch to klingon at level 6 and when the game goes live start enjoying quest with my joined trill as a tactical or engineering officer.
Quote from: Syt on January 25, 2010, 02:55:01 AM
STO seems geared a lot more towards instant action (though what I see of it I like), so I doubt at this point that I will stay with it beyond my "free" month, even though what I've seen so far is fun. But I think a Star Trek game should be about more than PWNIGN the opposition.
That's what appeals about it to me. It seems that I can log in knowing I have one hour to play, finish a mission (that is generally timed to last about that long) and have a satisfying game experience. :)
Quote from: Barrister on January 25, 2010, 11:56:04 AM
Quote from: Syt on January 25, 2010, 02:55:01 AM
STO seems geared a lot more towards instant action (though what I see of it I like), so I doubt at this point that I will stay with it beyond my "free" month, even though what I've seen so far is fun. But I think a Star Trek game should be about more than PWNIGN the opposition.
That's what appeals about it to me. It seems that I can log in knowing I have one hour to play, finish a mission (that is generally timed to last about that long) and have a satisfying game experience. :)
:yes:
Quote from: Barrister on January 25, 2010, 11:56:04 AM
Quote from: Syt on January 25, 2010, 02:55:01 AM
STO seems geared a lot more towards instant action (though what I see of it I like), so I doubt at this point that I will stay with it beyond my "free" month, even though what I've seen so far is fun. But I think a Star Trek game should be about more than PWNIGN the opposition.
That's what appeals about it to me. It seems that I can log in knowing I have one hour to play, finish a mission (that is generally timed to last about that long) and have a satisfying game experience. :)
As said, I see how this is a plus, but I'm not sure how long it will make the game last for me.
Quote from: Barrister on January 25, 2010, 11:56:04 AM
That's what appeals about it to me. It seems that I can log in knowing I have one hour to play, finish a mission (that is generally timed to last about that long) and have a satisfying game experience. :)
This is what draws me to the game as well. Sit down, play for a half hour or so and have some fun.
Quote from: Syt on January 25, 2010, 02:55:01 AM
I still return to LotRO now and then (one day I'll crack level 30 :P ).
And I thought I was slow... :p
anyways: if you're not in a kin and need a laid back one: look up the true taters. They're quite large and cater to kinnies both high and low.
So trying to decide between rolling a joined trill (extra slot over any other toon), liberated borg (their bonus sounds cool, plus it's 'exclusive'), or saying screw the extra bonuses.
Pretty sure I'm going to go science officer on a science ship. Keep things straight forward.
And I can start to see what you'll waste your time on once you hit max level: bridge officers. Trying to maximize their skill sets, learn rare new skills, get separate officers for bridge duty and away missions...
I have no advice to offer :P
As I haven't made up my mind as what main will be except Engineering with Cruiser or Science ship :P
I'm sad; tomorrow, I wave bye-bye to my Benzite, and since I have exactly $7.50 to my name at the moment, it seems as though it'll be some time before I can recreate him. :(
PS - sell the freaking batteries. You respawn a bit, but as soon as I took on a policy of selling all the useless loot, I got myself both a cruiser and an escort in a couple of hours.
Kat - game crash on you too?
And I agree Carrot - sell, sell, and sell more stuff.
Apparently as useful as the replicator is, you supposedly get much better prices back a starbase. And, as I found, since you can't sell stuff while on an away mission...
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Quote from: Syt on January 25, 2010, 02:55:01 AM
I still return to LotRO now and then (one day I'll crack level 30 :P ).
And I thought I was slow... :p
anyways: if you're not in a kin and need a laid back one: look up the true taters. They're quite large and cater to kinnies both high and low.
I might. I levelled a dorf Guardian - Gurukhoin - to 8 yesterday (they sure streamlined the n00b areas). I saw an ad for Mithril Guard, which made me smile for nostalgia's (WoW) sake.
Quote from: Barrister on January 26, 2010, 12:22:45 AM
Kat - game crash on you too?
And I agree Carrot - sell, sell, and sell more stuff.
Apparently as useful as the replicator is, you supposedly get much better prices back a starbase. And, as I found, since you can't sell stuff while on an away mission...
What I'd taken to doing is maxing out my inventory, hailing Starfleet to "phone in" my mission status, then mashing the transwarp back to Sol. Even as long as it took me to break into stride, I could probably get up another rank today, but I decided to wean myself from the beta so I'm not so PO'ed when I go down in the middle of a mission.
One thing that concerns me now that I've gotten the extra classes available to Lt. Cmdrs. is balance. With the light cruiser, all it took was wandering into a squadron with both a K'Tinga and a Negh'Var at -5 to hand my ass to me. I still got grued when I wandered into a big squadron with the cruiser, but it took a freakishly large squadron- latest one was -8 (was using secure missions for some quick skill points) consisting of 2 Negh'Vars, 2 K'Tingas, 3 Raptors, and 3 Bird of Preys. I dunno if any of you guys got far enough to earn the exploration cruisers or even the heavy cruisers, but with the way they seem to be ramping up ship power, it won't take long before the only replay experience you get from the Sirius and Regulus sector blocks is repetitive strain injuries from mashing buttons.
I got to lvl 5.
This game is never on!
Quote from: DontSayBanana on January 26, 2010, 11:21:56 AM
I dunno if any of you guys got far enough to earn the exploration cruisers or even the heavy cruisers, but with the way they seem to be ramping up ship power, it won't take long before the only replay experience you get from the Sirius and Regulus sector blocks is repetitive strain injuries from mashing buttons.
It's a MMO. That's how it works. When you get the bigger ships you're supposed to move on to different sectors.
And they're doing an End of Beta thing today. That ends at 6pm PST. <_<
Alright, I'm close to buying it....Beeb can you sell me on it?
And, which pre-order really? I was thinking joined trill, but is that any good really? And you can't use it in head start can you?
Quote from: Alcibiades on January 26, 2010, 12:38:56 PM
Alright, I'm close to buying it....Beeb can you sell me on it?
And, which pre-order really? I was thinking joined trill, but is that any good really? And you can't use it in head start can you?
The thing is I don't want to sell you on it, because I don't want you to blame me if it isn't fun. You should make up your own mind. In part it depends on your gaming budget. I've certainly blown more money on games I've already played less than STO, so the game itself is a win for me (the lifetime sub: no that's open for debate). But if you're not so free with your money...
That's right - you can't use any pre-order bonus during the head start. That's because the head start is really just a re-start of open-beta that lasts for a few days. It's only once you enter your purchase code (which you should get Feb 2nd) that you'll officially be playing the game.
Which pre-order to get? Right off the bat, I think any of the items aren't going to be all that useful. You'll probably get better stuff down the road anyways.
The Amazon borg bridge officer is a popular one. No other way to get one.
So, if ypu put aside any of the items, you're left with either the Constitution starter ship, or the bonueses from the DDO or the CE. It's largely cosmetic (TNG or TOS uniforms), but dammit that kind of stuff is fun. I bought the DDO for the TOS uniforms.
The joined trill is useful - you get 5 traits (2 racial, plus 3 bonus). Every other race out there only gets 4. It's not game breaking, but it's a noticeable difference. But the DDO (that comes with joined trill, and TOS uniforms) costs $10 more. Again if your gaming budget is tight, or you really want physical media, that's not the way to go.
Ok, I'll go with Amazon for the Borg then. :cheers:
I didn't know about the pre-order bonuses. That's lame, very lame.
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 26, 2010, 12:58:34 PM
I didn't know about the pre-order bonuses. That's lame, very lame.
'a' pre-order bonus is cool.
Multiple pre-order bonuses is a PITA.
Quote from: Barrister on January 26, 2010, 01:02:42 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 26, 2010, 12:58:34 PM
I didn't know about the pre-order bonuses. That's lame, very lame.
'a' pre-order bonus is cool.
Multiple pre-order bonuses is a PITA.
In an Ideal world Amazon would sell DDE then i wouldn't have payed for two copies, though I played the mission last night where you go rescue the TOS Enterprise and it looks pretty sweet. :shifty:
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 26, 2010, 12:58:34 PM
I didn't know about the pre-order bonuses. That's lame, very lame.
How could you not know - it was all over practically every page of this thread? :huh:
Quote from: ulmont on January 26, 2010, 01:05:53 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 26, 2010, 12:58:34 PM
I didn't know about the pre-order bonuses. That's lame, very lame.
How could you not know - it was all over practically every page of this thread? :huh:
He's French Canadian.
Quote from: ulmont on January 26, 2010, 01:05:53 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 26, 2010, 12:58:34 PM
I didn't know about the pre-order bonuses. That's lame, very lame.
How could you not know - it was all over practically every page of this thread? :huh:
Had no real intentions of buying it anywhere but from Direct2Drive. Which store had what wasn't important to me.
I just didn't know it wouldnot be in the headstart. Which makes me wonder why I got the DDE instead of the R10$LessE
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 26, 2010, 01:13:16 PM
Quote from: ulmont on January 26, 2010, 01:05:53 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 26, 2010, 12:58:34 PM
I didn't know about the pre-order bonuses. That's lame, very lame.
How could you not know - it was all over practically every page of this thread? :huh:
Had no real intentions of buying it anywhere but from Direct2Drive. Which store had what wasn't important to me.
I just didn't know it wouldnot be in the headstart. Which makes me wonder why I got the DDE instead of the R10$LessE
You're smarter than me. I bought the DDO from Atari - which had no pre-order bonus. :frusty: (they since introduced a pre-order bonus of 500 'Cryptic points', but no idea what those can be used to purchase).
But I figure than once Feb 2nd rolls around I'll switch my characters into TOS uniforms and start going /e khan and random opportunities, so it's all good. :)
Quote from: Barrister on January 26, 2010, 01:16:22 PM
You're smarter than me. I bought the DDO from Atari - which had no pre-order bonus. :frusty: (they since introduced a pre-order bonus of 500 'Cryptic points', but no idea what those can be used to purchase).
Looking at cryptic points for champions online you most likely will be able to buy extra character slots (which you shouldn't need with having lifetime sub), other uniform choices (like the DS9 variants, and stuff of that type.
Quote from: katmai on January 26, 2010, 01:20:55 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 26, 2010, 01:16:22 PM
You're smarter than me. I bought the DDO from Atari - which had no pre-order bonus. :frusty: (they since introduced a pre-order bonus of 500 'Cryptic points', but no idea what those can be used to purchase).
Looking at cryptic points for champions online you most likely will be able to buy extra character slots (which you shouldn't need with having lifetime sub), other uniform choices (like the DS9 variants, and stuff of that type.
Aye, I figured that kind of stuff is likely.
yeah i have 400 cryptic points (not sure exactly how i got them, something to do with my Champions account)
Bought it from Amazon. :sleep:
It's funny, the times I played the beta, I really liked it.
Then I come here and listen to the fanbois, and I don't like it nearly as much.
You guys are to STO what Marty is to homosexuality*.
*-except that I haven't actually tried gaybuttsex and am pretty sure I wouldn't like it if I did.
Quote from: Berkut on January 26, 2010, 03:40:23 PM
It's funny, the times I played the beta, I really liked it.
Then I come here and listen to the fanbois, and I don't like it nearly as much.
You guys are to STO what Marty is to homosexuality*.
*-except that I haven't actually tried gaybuttsex and am pretty sure I wouldn't like it if I did.
I kinda doubt that as something has cleared crawled up your ass today.
Quote from: katmai on January 26, 2010, 03:42:39 PM
Quote from: Berkut on January 26, 2010, 03:40:23 PM
It's funny, the times I played the beta, I really liked it.
Then I come here and listen to the fanbois, and I don't like it nearly as much.
You guys are to STO what Marty is to homosexuality*.
*-except that I haven't actually tried gaybuttsex and am pretty sure I wouldn't like it if I did.
I kinda doubt that as something has cleared crawled up your ass today.
Don't be talking about my ass now.
I can't help it, it's your best feature!
Quote from: Barrister on January 26, 2010, 12:17:41 PM
And they're doing an End of Beta thing today. That ends at 6pm PST. <_<
Just did a time conversion thingy and it starts in an hour (2pm PST = 11pm CET right?)!
What to do, sleep seems important somehow :cry:
So I havent played at all since the first few days - I see BB saying the beta closes today. When does the head start for pre-orders start?
Friday.
Quote from: Berkut on January 26, 2010, 03:40:23 PM
It's funny, the times I played the beta, I really liked it.
Then I come here and listen to the fanbois, and I don't like it nearly as much.
I'm sorry Berkut, I really don't see any fanboism here. I've bitched plenty about the game being down, as have others. No one has said this is a "WoW killer", or "guaranteed to be great", or any such superlative. Hell when Alci asked me to sell him om the game, I declined to do so.
What we do have are about 4 of us who have purchased the game and are looking forward to it going live. :)
And all of this in a thread entitled "Another epic fail?"
Quote from: Seen on January 26, 2010, 04:00:04 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 26, 2010, 12:17:41 PM
And they're doing an End of Beta thing today. That ends at 6pm PST. <_<
Just did a time conversion thingy and it starts in an hour (2pm PST = 11pm CET right?)!
What to do, sleep seems important somehow :cry:
It just seems funny to me they'd spend the time to do an end of Beta event, then have it run for only 4 hours. :mad:
Quote from: Barrister on January 26, 2010, 04:05:00 PM
Quote from: Seen on January 26, 2010, 04:00:04 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 26, 2010, 12:17:41 PM
And they're doing an End of Beta thing today. That ends at 6pm PST. <_<
Just did a time conversion thingy and it starts in an hour (2pm PST = 11pm CET right?)!
What to do, sleep seems important somehow :cry:
It just seems funny to me they'd spend the time to do an end of Beta event, then have it run for only 4 hours. :mad:
Haven't you learned it's obvious not about what is actually posted in this thread that he is basing his posts on :rolleyes:
Quote from: katmai on January 26, 2010, 04:05:39 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 26, 2010, 04:05:00 PM
Quote from: Seen on January 26, 2010, 04:00:04 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 26, 2010, 12:17:41 PM
And they're doing an End of Beta thing today. That ends at 6pm PST. <_<
Just did a time conversion thingy and it starts in an hour (2pm PST = 11pm CET right?)!
What to do, sleep seems important somehow :cry:
It just seems funny to me they'd spend the time to do an end of Beta event, then have it run for only 4 hours. :mad:
Haven't you learned it's obvious not about what is actually posted in this thread that he is basing his posts on :rolleyes:
hmm...
Quote
End of Beta Event
A massive Klingon Fleet is forming near Qo'noS for an invasion into Federation Territory. Klingon Warriors who wish to join this fleet may rendezvous near Qo'noS at 2pm PST (We're GMT -8 right now).
So it doesnt last 4 hours?
So has anyone checked out the end-of-beta event?
Apparently there are Klingons and Borg cobes all over the Federation, generally WTFPWNing any fed cruisers nearby.
Logged in for the last 30 minutes or so.
As mentioned, there were Borg Deep Space Encounters all over the place. Brutal.
Klingons could fly anywhere in Federation space. I alt-tabbed out just outside of spacedock, came back and some BOP was trying to fry me. I came back in time, and although I died I weakened him for other Feddies to finish him off.
Then I went to Risa, where a bunch of people were standing around dancing and shooting the shit. Klingons could also beam down, and while initially they were kill on sight, the last 5 minutes they could not, so Klingons and Federation could party together.
Mildly amusing. :)
Syt you know no game has ever really satisfied you. Accept the reality, my boy!
Missed the end. Odd choice of time.
Definitely cured of any temptation to sign up for a lifetime subscription:
QuotePrices displayed are not inclusive of VAT for purchases from European Union (EU). VAT is charged in accordance with the local legislation in each member state and varies from 15%-25%.
175 EUR +20% Austrian VAT = 210 EUR. :lol:
Quote from: Syt on January 27, 2010, 12:40:02 PM
Definitely cured of any temptation to sign up for a lifetime subscription:
QuotePrices displayed are not inclusive of VAT for purchases from European Union (EU). VAT is charged in accordance with the local legislation in each member state and varies from 15%-25%.
175 EUR +20% Austrian VAT = 210 EUR. :lol:
Gah!
If it's any consolation my buying the lifetime is definitely a triumph of hope over experience. :blush:
So who has actually bought the game?
Off the top of my head:
-me
-katmai
-Grey Fox
-Alci
-Crazy Canuck
???
Will you register for the taxes on that BB?
Bought the game, but not sure if I will stay longer than the free month.
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 27, 2010, 12:46:09 PM
Will you register for the taxes on that BB?
It's the obligation of the seller to collect sales tax. Besides since Cryptic doesn't maintain a physical business in Canada, I doubt they are required to.
Quote from: Barrister on January 27, 2010, 12:51:11 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 27, 2010, 12:46:09 PM
Will you register for the taxes on that BB?
It's the obligation of the seller to collect sales tax. Besides since Cryptic doesn't maintain a physical business in Canada, I doubt they are required to.
But if you had bought a box, it would go thru customs & you would be charged taxes. Electronic goods are magically excluded?
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 27, 2010, 12:52:39 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 27, 2010, 12:51:11 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 27, 2010, 12:46:09 PM
Will you register for the taxes on that BB?
It's the obligation of the seller to collect sales tax. Besides since Cryptic doesn't maintain a physical business in Canada, I doubt they are required to.
But if you had bought a box, it would go thru customs & you would be charged taxes. Electronic goods are magically excluded?
I believe so, yes. :mellow:
But if I ever have to prosecute a tax file, I always call up the CRA people and go "help!", so don't take me as a definitive authority.
Then, I don't feel so bad.
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 27, 2010, 12:52:39 PM
Quote from: Barrister on January 27, 2010, 12:51:11 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 27, 2010, 12:46:09 PM
Will you register for the taxes on that BB?
It's the obligation of the seller to collect sales tax. Besides since Cryptic doesn't maintain a physical business in Canada, I doubt they are required to.
But if you had bought a box, it would go thru customs & you would be charged taxes. Electronic goods are magically excluded?
Believe me, VAT laws and electronic business is a bit confusing occasionally. Some EU online shops have their prices always the same, including their (local?) VAT, e.g. GG, AGEOD or D2D UK. Matrix (or their distributor in UK who would also send hardcopies within EU), on the other hand, adds VAT for the buyer's country. So does Cryptic to their subscription fees (at least lifetime and annual). U.S. shops usually don't charge VAT, but I wouldn't swear they've never charged me (European) VAT.
Quote from: Barrister on January 27, 2010, 12:45:51 PM
So who has actually bought the game?
Off the top of my head:
-me
-katmai
-Grey Fox
-Alci
-Crazy Canuck
???
I have also bought it! :mad:
Not very sure about my decision, though :(
When does the early start start? This weekend?
Friday
Quote from: Tamas on January 27, 2010, 01:12:40 PM
When does the early start start? This weekend?
Friday, 10am PST. Should be late afternoon, early evening for you.
Quote from: Barrister on January 27, 2010, 01:15:29 PM
Quote from: Tamas on January 27, 2010, 01:12:40 PM
When does the early start start? This weekend?
Friday, 10am PST. Should be late afternoon, early evening for you.
IIRC it's 7pm his time.
Nice
I'm in too
:w00t:
Cool. :cool:
Unless someone beats me to it I'm going to start a new thread on Friday, and list people's toon and account names.
What I'm not going to do is start a Languish fleet. Those have never worked in the entire history of MMOs, so I'm not going to try it now.
Gonna buy ASAP. Have to see how far the coming check goes- if it's not all blown to hell, I might blow my supplemental at the beginning of next week on it.
Katmai start a Languish fleet then :P
On a side note, pre-ordered yesterday from Amazon....when/how will I get my key? Said two days, email?
Quote from: Alcibiades on January 27, 2010, 04:08:13 PM
Katmai start a Languish fleet then :P
On a side note, pre-ordered yesterday from Amazon....when/how will I get my key? Said two days, email?
I got my pre-order code (not the same as the retail code) almost immediately. Since of course you can't actually use the pre-order code until Friday I wouldn't worry too much right now.
You'll get your release code on Tuesday (or in your physical box).
Quote from: Alcibiades on January 27, 2010, 04:08:13 PM
Katmai start a Languish fleet then :P
On a side note, pre-ordered yesterday from Amazon....when/how will I get my key? Said two days, email?
Not sure, i ordered at beginning of month and they sent out the open/beta headstart key the day before open started, so i'd expect you will get it by thur?
I am going to wait six months. I am a dedicated Trekkie, but the game was boring for me.
Also bought it :)
I'm 99 % sure I'll preorder it tomorrow. I'll probably preorder it from Gamestop as a download
Quote from: Barrister on January 27, 2010, 04:10:46 PM
Quote from: Alcibiades on January 27, 2010, 04:08:13 PM
Katmai start a Languish fleet then :P
On a side note, pre-ordered yesterday from Amazon....when/how will I get my key? Said two days, email?
I got my pre-order code (not the same as the retail code) almost immediately. Since of course you can't actually use the pre-order code until Friday I wouldn't worry too much right now.
You'll get your release code on Tuesday (or in your physical box).
wasn't the pre-order code the same as the "open beta" code? (for those that got in OB via pre-orders)
Preordered!
Got it for 29.99 £ as a download from a UK site.
Got my code in an email today.
Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on January 28, 2010, 04:20:58 AM
Quote from: Barrister on January 27, 2010, 04:10:46 PM
Quote from: Alcibiades on January 27, 2010, 04:08:13 PM
Katmai start a Languish fleet then :P
On a side note, pre-ordered yesterday from Amazon....when/how will I get my key? Said two days, email?
I got my pre-order code (not the same as the retail code) almost immediately. Since of course you can't actually use the pre-order code until Friday I wouldn't worry too much right now.
You'll get your release code on Tuesday (or in your physical box).
wasn't the pre-order code the same as the "open beta" code? (for those that got in OB via pre-orders)
Yes, but I didn't want to call it that since others got into OB via other means.
Quote from: Barrister on January 28, 2010, 11:49:03 AM
Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on January 28, 2010, 04:20:58 AM
Quote from: Barrister on January 27, 2010, 04:10:46 PM
Quote from: Alcibiades on January 27, 2010, 04:08:13 PM
Katmai start a Languish fleet then :P
On a side note, pre-ordered yesterday from Amazon....when/how will I get my key? Said two days, email?
I got my pre-order code (not the same as the retail code) almost immediately. Since of course you can't actually use the pre-order code until Friday I wouldn't worry too much right now.
You'll get your release code on Tuesday (or in your physical box).
wasn't the pre-order code the same as the "open beta" code? (for those that got in OB via pre-orders)
Yes, but I didn't want to call it that since others got into OB via other means.
true enough. anyways: my mail arrived too :)