Shameful
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/48039343/ns/world_news-south_and_central_asia/#.T_FhbPXpV-g
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As India's kids starve, $1.5 billion worth of grain rots
'This is a case of criminal neglect by the government,' opposition leader says
By Mayank Bhardwaj
updated 1 hour 44 minutes ago
NEW DELHI — Every day some 3,000 Indian children die from illnesses related to malnutrition, and yet countless heaps of rodent-infested wheat and rice are rotting in fields across the north of their own country.
It is an extraordinary paradox created by a rigid regime of subsidies for grain farmers, a woeful lack of storage facilities and an inefficient, corruption-plagued public distribution system that fails millions of impoverished people.
And it is an embarrassment for the government led by the Congress party, which returned to power in 2009 thanks in large part to pledges of welfare for the poor, who make up about 40 percent of the 1.2 billion population.
Quite why the authorities could not simply offload the mountains of grain for free to fill empty stomachs is puzzling, but the explanation lies in the complex regulations that govern procurement and distribution.
"This is a case of criminal neglect by the government," said D. Raja, national secretary of the Communist Party of India, an opposition group. "The ruling party has been the worst manager of the demand-supply of food grains."
Officials say that, in all, about 6 million tons of grain worth at least $1.5 billion could perish. Analysts say the losses could be far higher because more than 19 million tons are now lying in the open, exposed to searing summer heat and monsoon rains.
Bumper harvests
Saddomajra, a village in the bread-basket state of Punjab, is one of the dumping grounds for the record stockpile of wheat that has accumulated after half a decade of bumper harvests in the world's second-largest producer of the grain.
Here there are thousands of sacks of decomposing wheat, occupying an area the size of a football field and towering in some places to the height of a house. Tarpaulins cover most of the mounds, but many of the bags are torn, spilling blackened grain blighted by fungus and insects.
"The wheat has been lying there for the past five years. It smells very bad," said Hakkam Singh, who works as a watchman at the open field. "Nobody steals it, but people use it to feed fish and poultry farms."
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At another dump, on the outskirts of Punjab's Amritsar city, locals told Reuters that officials sometimes dip into the sacks of rotting grain to mix it with fresh wheat for distribution to the poor who hold ration cards.
In India the government buys rice and wheat from farmers at a guaranteed price, a support system akin to the subsidies that led to Europe's notorious butter mountains and milk lakes.
The government has raised the price it pays to buy wheat by more than 70 percent since 2007, which only encourages more production. As a result, stocks are now at an all-time high of about 50 million tons, 12 times more than the official target.
"It's related to pure economic security for the farmers," said Purnima Menon, a research fellow at the International Food Policy Research Institute in New Delhi. "They make a safe choice of crops."
Rajiv Tandon, a senior adviser for health and nutrition at aid organization Save the Children in India, said that to diversify the country's food basket farmers should be offered incentives to grow vegetables and other cash crops.
'Dumped by a graveyard'
However, he said root-and-branch modernization is needed. The farm sector was transformed by the introduction of high-yielding seeds, fertilizers and irrigation during the Green Revolution nearly half a century ago, ending a dependence on imports, but it has seen only incremental reform ever since.
Storage is one of the biggest problems of all.
"For the last 25 years the storage capacity has not been upgraded at all," Tandon said. "Part of the grain is officially stored outside store houses, where the chance of rotting is high. There are often not enough sacks and tarpaulins, and sometimes it is dumped by a graveyard or cremation centre."
Grain stocks officially deemed as stored in government warehouses now stand at a record 82.4 million tons. However, that is about 20 million tons more than actual capacity, which means grain lying in the open is being passed off as "stored".
State-run Food Corp. of India (FCI), the main grain procurement agency, buys about one-third of total wheat output to run welfare programs and keep stocks for emergency needs.
What to do with the rest is a conundrum for the government, which is reluctant to sell wheat for less than the inflated support price it paid to farmers because it would put further strain on an already hefty fiscal deficit.
Recently it offered 6 million tons of rice and wheat to state administrations for the poor at cheaper rates, in addition to 55 million already earmarked for financial year 2012/13. But there were not many takers because state governments are grappling with budget overruns themselves.
Exporting wheat is not an attractive alternative.
After buying wheat from farmers and adding freight, storage and transport costs, the free on board (FOB) price is around $346 a ton. However, Indian wheat would only be competitive in the export market at around $260, which implies a loss - effectively a further subsidy, and this time to consumers in other countries - of $85-90 per ton for the government.
The brimming granaries forced India to lift a four-year-old ban on private exports last September, but lower global prices have scuppered those plans.
Traders say that even if India went all-out to export wheat it could at best sell 6-7 million tons a year because of transport bottlenecks and doubts about the quality of the grain.
Tainted?
New Delhi is considering the export of up to 3 million tons of wheat to sanctions-hit Iran, but traders say Tehran will not be falling over itself to buy because of concern that Indian grain may be tainted by fungal disease.
Last month the government decided to offer 3 million tons of wheat to local biscuit makers and flour millers at $205 a ton against the $225 it paid to farmers in 2012.
"Subsidizing our bread and biscuit makers is easier than subsidizing consumers of other countries," said a senior government official, who did not wish to be identified due to political criticism of a solution to the surplus that benefits private companies rather than the poor.
In China, a large portion of wheat stocks are channeled into the country's rapidly expanding animal feed sector, replacing more expensive corn. However, India has an exportable surplus of corn and its meat consumption is far lower, so there is little demand for wheat as a replacement for other grains.
A government-supported survey published earlier this year found that 42 percent of India's children under 5 are underweight, almost double that of sub-Saharan Africa. The finding led Prime Minister Manmohan Singh to admit that malnutrition was "a national shame".
The cause of this widespread malnutrition cannot be tied mechanically to a lack of staples like rice and wheat.
India's 'national shame': 4 in 10 kids malnourished
Indeed, many families living on less than $2 a day are fuelled and filled by subsidized carbohydrate-rich food like wheat chapatis. These lack the much-needed protein and other nutrients that come in more expensive food. Poor hygiene and contaminated water are also to blame because they cause illnesses like diarrhoea, which prevents nutrient absorption.
Still, there are real grain shortages in the poorest states.
Here the problem is an inefficient and corruption-prone distribution system. Eighteen months ago investigators said millions of dollars worth of grain meant for poor families had been siphoned off and sold locally and abroad in a scam involving hundreds of government officials.
In 2010 the Supreme Court urged the government to distribute grain free to the hungry rather than let it go to waste in warehouses and open fields, but that hasn't happened.
This is because state governments are reluctant to buy extra grain for distribution under the food welfare program and, even if they were, only people with under-the-poverty-line ration cards would be entitled to buy it in subsidized shops.
"The problem of rotting grains and the poor going hungry lies in the system itself," said Biraj Patnaik, principal adviser on food issues to the court.
The government is now planning a food security scheme that will guarantee cheap grain to 63.5 percent of the population.
However, critics see this as political gimmickry. They doubt that the new scheme will be less corrupt, more efficient or better targeted than current programs, and they suspect that the government will not be able to afford a plan that may cost as much as $12 billion in additional subsidies a year.
How many Indian kids can afford $1.5 billion?
Quote from: The Brain on July 02, 2012, 04:29:20 AM
How many Indian kids can afford $1.5 billion?
No shit. C'mon, a little sensitivity for incompetent third world governments, Timmay.
Tim, why is this worse than American grain rotting while Indian kids starve?
Quote from: Faeelin on July 02, 2012, 07:41:52 AM
Tim, why is this worse than American grain rotting while Indian kids starve?
Presumably because it is in India, not America, and the Indian government should be helping feed Indian kids with India grain. The American grain is rotting in silos in America, which is not a train ride away, and the American Government is not necessarily responsible for feeding American Grain to Indian Kids, if the Indian Government is not concerned with it.
Why should you care less that children are starving because they were born in a different country?
Quote from: Faeelin on July 02, 2012, 08:13:37 AM
Why should you care less that children are starving because they were born in a different country?
Love thy neighbor.
Quote from: Faeelin on July 02, 2012, 08:13:37 AM
Why should you care less that children are starving because they were born in a different country?
Well the story says the Indian people pay all this tax money to buy 1/3rd of the country's grain to give to poor starving people. It looks like corruption and incompetence meant they failed to get the grain to the people who needed it so it is pretty bad on the part of the Indian government. Not really sure what that has to do with the American government, we did not vote tax money be used to feed poor Indian kids....but maybe it is shameful we did not?
Quote from: Valmy on July 02, 2012, 08:16:43 AM
Not really sure what that has to do with the American government, we did not vote tax money be used to feed poor Indian kids....but maybe it is shameful we did not?
Let me try to be clearer. I think it's interesting that Tim is chastising the Indian state for waste and corruption while kids starve; but we waste enormous amounts of food here; I don't know but would assume, we waste more than India does.
Meanwhile, millions of kids go hungry around the world, not because of a food shortage, but because we don't give a damn. That seems like it should be as outrageous to Tim, especially because he has the ability to influence American politics but not Indian ones.
I hate these kinds of articles. Yes, 3,000 children die every day from malnutrition, but how many children do not die? Context is everything.
It seems we give quite a bit of food aid to the hungry, although that program is unfortunately being cut due to the economic downturn. Obviously I am against such cuts.
http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/economy-a-budget/235669-food-aid-fulfills-the-promise-of-the-american-flag
However, Valmy is right. This is an Indian problem that is within India's capability to solve. They're not the Sudan or Ethiopia who are incapable of feeding their people without outside help. They could feed all of their people if they so wished. That they don't is shameful.
Quote from: Faeelin on July 02, 2012, 08:13:37 AM
Why should you care less that children are starving because they were born in a different country?
Because Fuck India, that's why. :P
I'm showing this thread to my kid when he won't eat his green beans tonight.
Sound to me like they need to get more MacDonalds.
Feed the grain to cows and have steak?
Quote from: derspiess on July 02, 2012, 11:51:34 AM
I'm showing this thread to my kid when he won't eat his green beans tonight.
If he's smart, he'll ask you to ship them to India then.
Quote from: DGuller on July 02, 2012, 08:36:30 AM
I hate these kinds of articles. Yes, 3,000 children die every day from malnutrition, but how many children do not die? Context is everything.
3000 a day are 1095000 per year. According to Wiki, about 26 890 000 children are born each year in India. So it's roughly one in 25 children dying from mulnutrition. :(
India has problems that no other country has to deal with.
It would be easier to feed the kids if they were in silos or some sort of feedlot.
Quote from: 11B4V on July 02, 2012, 11:53:00 AM
Sound to me like they need to get more MacDonalds.
They have enough temples over there.
I always wonder about the Indians that own & run the Subway downtown near my office. Dunno if they're Hindu or Muslim, but either way they're violating their beliefs since they serve me both ham and roast beef.
Quote from: PDH on July 02, 2012, 01:59:40 PM
It would be easier to feed the kids if they were in silos or some sort of feedlot.
where would you put the grain then while it's waiting to be stored in the children?
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pretty bad for the indian government. disgraceful even.
It's hard to feed India. Even the British, the best government that the world has ever seen, had trouble with famines during the years of the Raj.
Quote from: Faeelin on July 02, 2012, 08:13:37 AM
Why should you care less that children are starving because they were born in a different country?
Because starving Americans will have a higher likelihood of returning the favor after they're fed.
Quote from: derspiess on July 02, 2012, 02:35:14 PM
I always wonder about the Indians that own & run the Subway downtown near my office. Dunno if they're Hindu or Muslim
They might not be either.
Quote from: derspiess on July 02, 2012, 02:35:14 PM
I always wonder about the Indians that own & run the Subway downtown near my office. Dunno if they're Hindu or Muslim, but either way they're violating their beliefs since they serve me both ham and roast beef.
You know, the folks that run one of the Subway's in my town are Indian or Pakistanis. Always go there, best service of all the subways in town. They are quick! I'm guessing those countries are just exporting all their best people. Every person I've ever met from South Asia (and there are a surprisingly large number of them), has been polite, competent, and intelligent. Well accept one who was a doctor I only saw once.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 02, 2012, 03:32:01 PM
Quote from: Faeelin on July 02, 2012, 08:13:37 AM
Why should you care less that children are starving because they were born in a different country?
Because starving Americans will have a higher likelihood of returning the favor after they're fed.
Also, you should have your own house in order before you go around bothering other people.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 02, 2012, 03:32:01 PM
Quote from: Faeelin on July 02, 2012, 08:13:37 AM
Why should you care less that children are starving because they were born in a different country?
Because starving Americans will have a higher likelihood of returning the favor after they're fed.
You donate to charity because you expect people to return the favor?
Quote from: dps on July 02, 2012, 04:06:24 PM
Quote from: derspiess on July 02, 2012, 02:35:14 PM
I always wonder about the Indians that own & run the Subway downtown near my office. Dunno if they're Hindu or Muslim
They might not be either.
True, but there's roughly a 94% chance of them being one of those two.
Quote from: Faeelin on July 02, 2012, 04:37:43 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 02, 2012, 03:32:01 PM
Quote from: Faeelin on July 02, 2012, 08:13:37 AM
Why should you care less that children are starving because they were born in a different country?
Because starving Americans will have a higher likelihood of returning the favor after they're fed.
You donate to charity because you expect people to return the favor?
Hellz yeah. Those crippled kids I give my spare change to might end up saving my life some day.
Quote from: Faeelin on July 02, 2012, 04:37:43 PM
You donate to charity because you expect people to return the favor?
You donate to charity because it makes you feel good about yourself. You contribute to a safety net as insurance against your own bad luck.
Quote from: derspiess on July 02, 2012, 11:51:34 AM
I'm showing this thread to my kid when he won't eat his green beans tonight.
Why? To rub it in that at least Indians don't have to eat green beans?
Quote from: Razgovory on July 02, 2012, 04:35:43 PM
Quote from: derspiess on July 02, 2012, 02:35:14 PM
I always wonder about the Indians that own & run the Subway downtown near my office. Dunno if they're Hindu or Muslim, but either way they're violating their beliefs since they serve me both ham and roast beef.
You know, the folks that run one of the Subway's in my town are Indian or Pakistanis. Always go there, best service of all the subways in town. They are quick! I'm guessing those countries are just exporting all their best people. Every person I've ever met from South Asia (and there are a surprisingly large number of them), has been polite, competent, and intelligent.
And then there's Nikki Haley.
Quote from: Ideologue on July 02, 2012, 06:18:45 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on July 02, 2012, 04:35:43 PM
Quote from: derspiess on July 02, 2012, 02:35:14 PM
I always wonder about the Indians that own & run the Subway downtown near my office. Dunno if they're Hindu or Muslim, but either way they're violating their beliefs since they serve me both ham and roast beef.
You know, the folks that run one of the Subway's in my town are Indian or Pakistanis. Always go there, best service of all the subways in town. They are quick! I'm guessing those countries are just exporting all their best people. Every person I've ever met from South Asia (and there are a surprisingly large number of them), has been polite, competent, and intelligent.
And then there's Nikki Haley.
I'd impregnate her.
She's not bad looking.
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 02, 2012, 06:28:29 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on July 02, 2012, 06:18:45 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on July 02, 2012, 04:35:43 PM
Quote from: derspiess on July 02, 2012, 02:35:14 PM
I always wonder about the Indians that own & run the Subway downtown near my office. Dunno if they're Hindu or Muslim, but either way they're violating their beliefs since they serve me both ham and roast beef.
You know, the folks that run one of the Subway's in my town are Indian or Pakistanis. Always go there, best service of all the subways in town. They are quick! I'm guessing those countries are just exporting all their best people. Every person I've ever met from South Asia (and there are a surprisingly large number of them), has been polite, competent, and intelligent.
And then there's Nikki Haley.
I'd impregnate her.
Of course you would super sperm man.
Quote from: katmai on July 02, 2012, 07:05:39 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 02, 2012, 06:28:29 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on July 02, 2012, 06:18:45 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on July 02, 2012, 04:35:43 PM
Quote from: derspiess on July 02, 2012, 02:35:14 PM
I always wonder about the Indians that own & run the Subway downtown near my office. Dunno if they're Hindu or Muslim, but either way they're violating their beliefs since they serve me both ham and roast beef.
You know, the folks that run one of the Subway's in my town are Indian or Pakistanis. Always go there, best service of all the subways in town. They are quick! I'm guessing those countries are just exporting all their best people. Every person I've ever met from South Asia (and there are a surprisingly large number of them), has been polite, competent, and intelligent.
And then there's Nikki Haley.
I'd impregnate her.
Of course you would super sperm man.
Breeders rule.
Overbreeding doesn't.
I've known a lot of Indian Catholics (former co-worker of mine was of Goanese descent and had the surname 'Fernandez'), and there are a lot of active protestant missions there also. That said, I don't Muslims take offense at others eating pork like traditional Hindus do at others eating beef.
I've never had a Muslim get up in my face while eating snossages.
I have, however, gotten a lecture at the 7-11 while buying whackoff mags. :lol:
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 02, 2012, 08:11:33 PM
I have, however, gotten a lecture at the 7-11 while buying whackoff mags. :lol:
As you should. You get much better value for your dollar online.
I got yelled at for looking at pornos once by an Onondaga woman at a convenience store on the reservation. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 02, 2012, 08:11:33 PM
I've never had a Muslim get up in my face while eating snossages.
I have, however, gotten a lecture at the 7-11 while buying whackoff mags. :lol:
As you should. It's not really the item that's appropriate to sample in the store.
Bah, I just out-Jewed guller. :blush:
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on July 02, 2012, 08:09:54 AM
Quote from: Faeelin on July 02, 2012, 07:41:52 AM
Tim, why is this worse than American grain rotting while Indian kids starve?
Presumably because it is in India, not America, and the Indian government should be helping feed Indian kids with India grain. The American grain is rotting in silos in America, which is not a train ride away, and the American Government is not necessarily responsible for feeding American Grain to Indian Kids, if the Indian Government is not concerned with it.
You realize that India is called a sub-continent for a reason, right? It's fucking huge. It's like complaining there is so much snow in North Canada and people in New Mexico die of heat.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 02, 2012, 08:48:13 AM
This is an Indian problem that is within India's capability to solve.
How the fuck do you know that? Are you that familiar with their transport infrastructure that you are certain they are capable of having the grain loaded on trains, then unloaded and distributed to people on the entire sub-continent before it goes bad?
Quote from: DGuller on July 02, 2012, 08:36:30 AM
I hate these kinds of articles. Yes, 3,000 children die every day from malnutrition, but how many children do not die? Context is everything.
Apparently, the Indian population goes up by app. 42,000 people each day (not just births but a difference between births and deaths).
http://www.medindia.net/patients/calculators/pop_clock.asp
Quote from: derspiess on July 02, 2012, 11:51:34 AM
I'm showing this thread to my kid when he won't eat his green beans tonight.
So that he grows up with a IQ high enough not to be a cretin like Tim, right?
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 02, 2012, 03:32:01 PM
Quote from: Faeelin on July 02, 2012, 08:13:37 AM
Why should you care less that children are starving because they were born in a different country?
Because starving Americans will have a higher likelihood of returning the favor after they're fed.
Fucking pervert. You disgust me. :x
Quote from: Martinus on July 03, 2012, 01:47:54 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 02, 2012, 08:48:13 AM
This is an Indian problem that is within India's capability to solve.
How the fuck do you know that? Are you that familiar with their transport infrastructure that you are certain they are capable of having the grain loaded on trains, then unloaded and distributed to people on the entire sub-continent before it goes bad?
Because if they don't have one they have the capability to build one.
Stop aiming at Tim & go back to trolling all of us.
Quote from: Grey Fox on July 03, 2012, 07:41:40 AM
Quote from: Martinus on July 03, 2012, 01:47:54 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 02, 2012, 08:48:13 AM
This is an Indian problem that is within India's capability to solve.
How the fuck do you know that? Are you that familiar with their transport infrastructure that you are certain they are capable of having the grain loaded on trains, then unloaded and distributed to people on the entire sub-continent before it goes bad?
Because if they don't have one they have the capability to build one.
Yup, India definitely has the economic resources to build the rail capacity to do that if they so wish.
Quote from: Martinus on July 03, 2012, 01:44:14 AM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on July 02, 2012, 08:09:54 AM
Quote from: Faeelin on July 02, 2012, 07:41:52 AM
Tim, why is this worse than American grain rotting while Indian kids starve?
Presumably because it is in India, not America, and the Indian government should be helping feed Indian kids with India grain. The American grain is rotting in silos in America, which is not a train ride away, and the American Government is not necessarily responsible for feeding American Grain to Indian Kids, if the Indian Government is not concerned with it.
You realize that India is called a sub-continent for a reason, right? It's fucking huge. It's like complaining there is so much snow in North Canada and people in New Mexico die of heat.
I am aware. That was not the question though.