A few weeks old, but still. Whoa. :blink:
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/cyberpunk-2077-is-far-far-bigger-than-the-witcher-/1100-6431209/
QuoteCyberpunk 2077 Is "Far, Far Bigger Than The Witcher 3" Says Dev
Cyberpunk 2077 sounds like it will be massive.
Developer CD Projekt Red has described it's upcoming sci-fi role-playing game Cyberpunk 2077 as much larger than it's recently released fantasy RPG, The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt. Speaking to MCV UK in an interview, visual effects artist Jose Teixeira said, "Cyberpunk is far bigger than anything else that CD Projekt Red has done before... far, far bigger."
Teixeira went on to explain how development on The Witcher 3 helped the team as it worked Cyberpunk 2077.
"The Witcher helped Cyberpunk quite a bit, because the game got so big and so complex that it really taught us," he said. "We really didn't know what was going to happen. If anything, working on The Witcher 3 was a really good and often brutal learning experience. Cyberpunk is going to benefit greatly from it. I can almost guarantee it."
Cyberpunk 2077 was first revealed in May 2012, although it did not have a name at the time. CD Projekt Red confirmed that the game would be based on Mike Pondsmith's Cyberpunk pen-and-paper RPG system. The Cyberpunk 2077 title was announced in October 2012. Details on the game have been scarce, although CD Projekt Red did say that it was not planning to discuss the game until 2017 at the earliest, choosing to focus on The Witcher 3 instead.
The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt was released in May this year and was highly praised in GameSpot's review, where it scored a ten out of ten. Following the game's launch, CD Projekt Red has released several free DLC packs and has announced an expansion titled Hearts of Stone.
Polska! Polska! Polska!
I was talking recently to a London-based partner from my firm who asked what are Poland's chief exports. He was surprised we did not export a lot of natural resources - I told him it's mainly apples, dairy and computer games.
Also coal miners. :)
And kielbasa. And kabanosy. :mmm:
Quote from: Martinus on October 24, 2015, 06:12:54 AM
Polska! Polska! Polska!
I was talking recently to a London-based partner from my firm who asked what are Poland's chief exports. He was surprised we did not export a lot of natural resources - I told him it's mainly apples, dairy and computer games.
Apples and dairy are both natural and resources. :P
Took a while, but this is actually being released now. Anybody going to play it?
For a moment you made me think Marty was back :lol:
Very "eh" on this.
FWIW, PC Gamer's review is out.
https://www.pcgamer.com/cyberpunk-2077-review/
They give it 78% (which, on their scale is good, but not great - for reference, they gave Witcher 3 92%).
"CD Projekt Red returns with an incredible setting undermined by an onslaught of bugs."
"Some nice characters and stories nested in an astounding open world, undercut by jarring bugs at every turn."
"We received a 50GB patch during our review period. CDPR referred to this patch as the Day 0 patch. When asked for clarification whether the patch will be what players were receiving at launch, a CDPR representative told us that the Day 0 patch is what people will be experiencing on launch day. It is the Day 1 patch, only different in name. More fixes will be rolled into the Day 0 (Day 1) patch, but we cannot specify exactly what. "
Well, they got 3 days to fix those bugs :P
I pre-ordered it a while ago, so I'm gonna play it during Christmas time :)
I thought buggy software was part of the immersion :hmm:
I was going to wait a bit to buy it anyway, so the bugs don't necessarily bother me. If they don't have it tidied up in a year, I'll be worried.
I'm still pretty hyped for this. I don't mind playing through Eurojank. The Witcher series was full bugs as well. They'll patch it up like they did with Witcher 3.
https://open.spotify.com/playlist/48zP5k2EraVeVU7WQn6nbI?si=00Q-yPS5Rv-4WzLsJYioCw
I've been listening to this playlist all day :lol:
Quote from: FunkMonk on December 07, 2020, 04:32:21 PM
I'm still pretty hyped for this. I don't mind playing through Eurojank. The Witcher series was full bugs as well. They'll patch it up like they did with Witcher 3.
https://open.spotify.com/playlist/48zP5k2EraVeVU7WQn6nbI?si=00Q-yPS5Rv-4WzLsJYioCw
I've been listening to this playlist all day :lol:
Thank you for link - I'm liking it a lot.
Though I also feel slightly like I'm in a Dario Argento films and about to meet a gruesome fate :ph34r:
I'm kind of intrigued in that I remember the 1980s PnP RPG it's based off of, but given how little I actually play I'll wait till I can get it at a discount and the bugs are fixed.
Quote from: Barrister on December 07, 2020, 05:00:00 PM
I'm kind of intrigued in that I remember the 1980s PnP RPG it's based off of, but given how little I actually play I'll wait till I can get it at a discount and the bugs are fixed.
I played Shadowrun as PNP RPG and have a soft spot for cyberpunk.
I guess I'll wait for some days first to hear whether it is any good.
Interestingly, PC Gamer's review is on the lower end of the spectrum so far:
https://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/cyberpunk-2077/critic-reviews
Gamespot puts it at 7/10:
https://www.gamespot.com/reviews/cyberpunk-2077-review/1900-6417622/
QuoteThe Good
- There's plenty of flexibility in the RPG mechanics to build a character to suit your desired playstyle
- Quickhacking combat is satisfying to execute and turns combat scenarios into elaborate puzzles
- Side quests and characters provide the most interesting and human moments in the game
- Keanu Reeves' Johnny Silverhand adds dimension to nearly every quest, forcing you to rethink your decision-making instincts
The Bad
- There's so much to do that isn't meaningful, so a lot of it ends up feeling superfluous
- Superficial and often "edgy" aesthetic choices often have no real purpose, which makes them grating rather than adding anything relevant to the world
- The incorporation of different cultures and backgrounds is wildly inconsistent, from good to inaccurate to downright offensive
- The main story doesn't cohere with the rest of the game, with an urgency that's at odds with everything else
- Technical issues, from visual bugs to full-on crashes, are so pervasive that it's impossible to ignore
A lot of "the bad" just seems to be them failing to overcome the inherent faults of the open-world genre, for which I don't care that much (Witcher 3 had some of the same "issues"), and the bugs will probably be fixed whenever I get around to buy it (which will be one year from now or so, would love to upgrade my rig first).
I don't think I'll be likely to get it as over time, I've noticed an increasing tendency for me to feel motion sick with first person games. -_-
Got it preordered (and preloaded), so I'll play it on launch. Am even thinking of streaming it on Twitch. :D
Quote from: garbon on December 08, 2020, 03:58:25 AM
I don't think I'll be likely to get it as over time, I've noticed an increasing tendency for me to feel motion sick with first person games. -_-
OMG you are old!!
PC Gamer has compiled a list of their tech issues and also of findings from other reviewers:
https://www.pcgamer.com/how-buggy-is-cyberpunk-2077-really/?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=socialflow&utm_source=twitter.com
Looks like it could have used another month in the oven.
Rob Zacny's review over at Waypoint is pretty good and feels fair to the game.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/m7a7xx/cyberpunk-2077-review
I never heard of "Eurojank" before. It's a neat concept. Many of my favorite games could be classified as "EuroJank".
Yeah, I think German company Piranha Bytes games are a prime example of that: Gothic 1-3, Risen 1-3, ELEX, ...
Quote from: Syt on December 08, 2020, 09:37:23 AM
Yeah, I think German company Piranha Bytes games are a prime example of that: Gothic 1-3, Risen 1-3, ELEX, ...
I played over 50% of the games mentioned in your message :blush:
Quote from: Syt on December 08, 2020, 05:34:26 AM
Looks like it could have used another month in the oven.
Game was first teased way back in 2013, and had release dates of April, September, October and November 2020. I don't think one month more is going to cut it.
This baby runs at a solid 30-45 fps on my desktop pc with an ancient GTX 970 with a midrange CPU on low to medium settings at 1080p. Not bad! Was expecting a slideshow.
I'll try it GeForce Now tomorrow after the initial rush of folks. Ultra settings with ray tracing on at 60 fps is too hard to miss out on.
Played the first couple hours on the Corpo start. It was basically Bladerunner. I'm quite happy about it. No game breaking bugs, but small things like weird clipping and items disappearing out of NPC's hands. Hurts the immersion a little bit but overall the atmosphere of the game is incredible, even on lower end graphical settings. The music and the sound effects work really well. The world of Night City that they've created seems like it is something special.
I ended up buying it, because my new PC with an RTX 3080 arrived on Monday, and this is about the only game that can give it a proper workout. :Embarrass:
I played through the Nomad opening up till you arrive in Night City. It sure looks pretty on all maxed settings, I suppose. I don't like the female voice actress, though.
I'm working long today, because I have Zoom calls from afternoon till evening, but I might post some screenshots later.
I should be able to run it fine (RTX 2070) from what I'm hearing, but I'm still waiting at least until some patches come out. I have plenty of other games to play to keep me occupied till then.
Playing this now. Doing a corpo run, going for a "Hans, are we the baddies?" redemptive perspective if possible.
(https://i.imgur.com/8ubGFLt.gif)
Didn't get to play yesterday because I was dead tired.
However, on German subreddit, someone pointed out that Night City is using German manhole covers. :lol:
(https://i.imgur.com/377eckl.jpg)
(The DIN-# is the German version of ISO)
And, because it's Reddit, someone quickly pointed out that this is the wrong manhole cover to use (B125), because it's only rated for up to 12.5 tons and may only be used in sidewalks. Roads require D400 covers that can carry 40 tons. :lol: :nerd:
Quote from: garbon on December 08, 2020, 03:58:25 AM
I don't think I'll be likely to get it as over time, I've noticed an increasing tendency for me to feel motion sick with first person games. -_-
I noticed the same about ten years ago. Turns out devs were narrowing the Field of View. Widening it works for me.
Quote from: Syt on December 11, 2020, 05:39:43 AM
And, because it's Reddit, someone quickly pointed out that this is the wrong manhole cover to use (B125), because it's only rated for up to 12.5 tons and may only be used in sidewalks. Roads require D400 covers that can carry 40 tons. :lol: :nerd:
In 2077 that's only illegal if you get cock.
New hotfix:
https://www.cyberpunk.net/en/news/37043/hotfix-1-04
QuoteNew hotfix to Cyberpunk 2077 is now live on PlayStation consoles and PC. For Xbox systems, we are working to have the update out as soon as possible. Here is the list of changes:
Quests
Fixed an issue with completing the final objective in Gig: Freedom of the Press.
Fixed an issue with starting conversation with Johnny at the end in Life During Wartime.
Corrected a rare issue with NPCs no longer calling V if A Like Supreme quest was abandoned mid-way.
Fixed an issue with Nix not going into his default state in Spellbound and KOLD MIRAGE.
Fixed issues blocking progress in I Fought The Law if the quest area is left.
Fixed inability to find Delamain in Epistrophy.
Fixed issues related to remaining in the second phase of the quest after finishing Pacifica fight with Ozob if played after Finals.
Fixed an issue with Nomads no longer present if V leaves the quest area mid-combat in With a Little Help from My Friends/Queen of the Highway.
Adjusted mappings and re-enabled quest tracker in M'ap Tann Pèlen/I Walk the Line/Transmission.
Fixed constraints on freedom to get up and sit down if neither blueline condition is met in Violence.
Fixed issues with time and space resulting from leaving the quest area or abandoning the quest in Following the River.
Fixed an issue with conversation with Johnny not starting after leaving the hotel in Tapeworm.
Fixed an issue with quest being blocked upon leaving the quest area before climbing the hill in Following the River.
Fixed the objective "Go into booth 9" not completing if the room's entered too fast in Automatic Love.
Fixed Jackie's issues with sitting still in The Ripperdoc.
Other quest fixes
Gameplay
Fixed the preview in weapon crafting.
Visual
Reduced vehicle appearance pop-in.
Speeded up switching first person perspective to third person perspective in a vehicle.
Fixed issues with animations missing from important quest NPCs during cinematics.
Performance & Stability
Improved stability, including various crash fixes.
Miscellaneous
Modified the flashing effect on braindances to reduce the risk of inducing epileptic symptoms. The effect has been smoothed out and the flashes reduced in frequency and magnitude.
Removed copyrighted songs incorrectly present in the game with "Disable Copyrighted Music" feature toggled on.
PC-specific
Switching language to default in the in-game settings now correctly sets it to the language of your Steam client.
Console-specific
Improved reflections quality on Xbox One and PlayStation 4 to eliminate the smudge effect.
Fixed "The Wasteland" achievement being stuck on 97% after completing all relevant missions in The Badlands on Xbox.
Fixed an issue with missing PT-BR VO for Xbox players in Americas.
The game's already recouped all its development and marketing costs in pre-order sales so expect to see a ton more content and support for this game and hell I'm excited.
QuoteSubject: Information regarding the estimated return on the Company's investments related to
development and promotion of Cyberpunk 2077
Legal basis: Art. 17 section 1 of the Market Abuse Regulation – inside information
The Management Board of CD PROJEKT S.A. with a registered office in Warsaw
(hereinafter referred to as "the Company") hereby announces that the estimated licensing
royalties receivable by the Company in association with pre-order sales of Cyberpunk 2077
across all of its digital distribution channels have exceeded the sum of the following:
- total development expenditures related to the game, and
- the game's marketing and promotional costs borne by the Company - either already incurred
or anticipated for the remainder of 2020.
The Management Board has decided to disclose the above information in the form of a
current report due to its potential impact on investment-related decisions.
Someone let me know when it goes on sale.
Quote from: Berkut on December 11, 2020, 08:32:32 PM
Someone let me know when it goes on sale.
That's probably the best move. By then most of these bugs will have been patched, some more content released, and a ton of mods will have been developed.
Interesting take on scores.
https://kotaku.com/the-cyberpunk-2077-review-drama-1845860765
I liked the article, even if it paints IMHO a bit of a too rosy picture of the times before the internet, but the mindset holds true; me and friends certainly looked at scores of games in magazines and compared their takes.
Overall, I think people like to confirm their biases, and avoid things that challenge their views. Hence why many people drift into their "news bubbles". Games media has it even worse, I think, because of their tendency to hand out scores*. TotalBiscuit had it right when he mentioned that a lot of vocal gamers now don't look for proper reviews of games, but rather want their opinion validated. And if a review doesn't agree with their view that something is the best (or worst) then they attack the reviewers because they feel personally attacked in their views. Which is stupid of course.
I recall Jim Sterling got caught in a shitstorm because he rated Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild 7/10 instead of the 12/10 that some thought it merited. Problem with review scores is that they often don't mean anything without context - how does the site grade games, generally - generously or harshly? What is the background of the reviewer? What kind of games do they like and don't like? Is it a specialized website covering one genre only as opposed to a general audience site? Etc.
That isn't to say a reviewer can't get it wrong. There's plenty movies that reviewed poorly at launch and later got reevaluated.
That's why I think it's often not useful to look at scores on sites you're not familiar with, and rather to read the article and see what the reviewer has to say. I'm a big fan of TB's call to abolish scores, but of course that will never happen. Scores make a show of objectivity in an area of subjective opinion.
*Those scores are often inflated - as he writes, a game under 70% on most pages will easily be ignored; I find PC Gamer works somewhat against that score inflation, an 80+% score is very good, and something in the 70s is still a well recommended title
Game reviews is a pretty lousy business. I remember Jake complaining about it. It's not as bad as it used to be, like when Gamespot fired someone because they gave a game a bad review, but still...
Unfortunately user reviews are mostly rubbish. Someone gives a game a 1/10 because the newest patch nerfed elves or whatever.
Amazon Fresh order today came in Cyberpunk branded bags. :hmm:
Quote from: garbon on December 12, 2020, 10:54:23 AM
Amazon Fresh order today came in Cyberpunk branded bags. :hmm:
:lol:
Probably just a coincidence. Not everything is a conspiracy.
Quote from: FunkMonk on December 11, 2020, 05:00:52 PM
The game's already recouped all its development and marketing costs in pre-order sales so expect to see a ton more content and support for this game and hell I'm excited.
Yeah but they'll need to work on polishing and bug fixing for the forseeable future. I'm on PC so it's fine but the console people are boned. The story and characters are interesting but it's obvious this is not a game that was finished a long time ago and they've just been spending the last 18 months fine-tuning. What we're playing must have been their third attempt at this game or something, rushed out the door in time for Christmas.
So I'd advise waiting a few months and then checking back if you're on the fence.
Quote from: Legbiter on December 13, 2020, 03:47:10 AM
Quote from: FunkMonk on December 11, 2020, 05:00:52 PM
The game's already recouped all its development and marketing costs in pre-order sales so expect to see a ton more content and support for this game and hell I'm excited.
Yeah but they'll need to work on polishing and bug fixing for the forseeable future. I'm on PC so it's fine but the console people are boned. The story and characters are interesting but it's obvious this is not a game that was finished a long time ago and they've just been spending the last 18 months fine-tuning. What we're playing must have been their third attempt at this game or something, rushed out the door in time for Christmas.
So I'd advise waiting a few months and then checking back if you're on the fence.
Yeah this is a wait to buy. I'm enjoying the game too but bugs make it a little sour. Having to reload the game a few times in a couple hours of game time because of UI bugs or my sprint keybind no longer working gets annoying.
God forbid if someone bought this for their kid on a non-PS5 console though. :lol:
The looter/shooter equipment progression really grinds my gears. There's no possibility of maintaining any sort of aesthetic style or sensibility for your character. You always look like you were dressed by 5 year olds. The gameplay loop never changes except for hacking when leveling up, you just get perks that allow you to do the exact same thing, but incrementally better. The quest choices you make seemingly have no impact downstream like they often did in the Witcher games, which is a bizarre oversight I feel.
This game is a solid 7,5 IMO, you'll play it once, be somewhat amused by it and never touch it again.
About 15 hours in and I largely agree that the gameplay aspects are mediocre. Shooting, driving, stealth, crafting all are at best 'acceptable.' Skill builds and progression looks diverse enough for a few different playthroughs though.
The writing itself is quite good, but I haven't progressed far enough to say how much your choices matter in this game. There are supposedly at least five different endings so we'll see.
Overall it seems like a hodgepodge of ideas baked into a game that started early development 8 years ago, and that's what we got. I'd say the best parts of this game are the writing, the setting, and the graphical fidelity. This is easily the best looking video game ever made.
Once they fix the bugs and flesh out the gameplay systems, this will be a solid foundation for future expansions and sequels. Until then, wait to buy it on sale in six months or a year.
Official FunkMonk grade: 7 years in development out of 10
I'm still having quite a lot of fun with it though. It scratches an itch.
I will get this once I've played Witcher 3 which I've never actually properly got into (:blush: :ph34r:) etc.
So when it's on sale :ph34r:
How's the penis slider?
I'm not far into it, just arrived at my apartment for the first time.
I generally like the look of the game. I've seen complaints that the city is mostly non-interactive set dressing. Me, I wouldn't mind that too much. L.A. Noire used 1940s L.A. as stage, and most of it was not interactive, and I still had a great time with it. There's also comments about assets repeating a lot, but so far I don't mind. A lot of it becomes background noise, anyways, after a while.
I'm a bit loathe to play more at the moment. I've seen some people on my Twitter feed get stuck on side quests that don't advance properly, so I'm waiting for more patches. Also, what I read about police just visibly spawning in when you commit crimes is a bit off putting.
Quote from: The Brain on December 14, 2020, 10:56:10 AM
How's the penis slider?
Not as good as the one in Conan Exiles, apparently: https://www.pcgamer.com/comparing-the-penises-of-cyberpunk-2077-and-conan-exiles-for-some-reason/
I will say the one the that kept popping in my head while playing this game is "this kinda feels like Fallout: New Vegas" so it has that going for it.
Quote from: Syt on December 14, 2020, 11:00:33 AM
Quote from: The Brain on December 14, 2020, 10:56:10 AM
How's the penis slider?
Not as good as the one in Conan Exiles, apparently: https://www.pcgamer.com/comparing-the-penises-of-cyberpunk-2077-and-conan-exiles-for-some-reason/
Thanks. I'll probably wait a bit.
One thing I don't get of people complaining about random-generated NPCs being crappy conversationalists: ignoring the technical requirements of what they dream of, is it normal for people to try and strike up meaningful conversations with people they randomly pass on city streets? Because I have never engaged in that, really.
The game is pretty good I think (aside the technical glitches), but it is more of a Cyberpunk version of the Witcher 3 formula, and not the same revolution to the post-Witcher 3 RPG genre as Witcher 3 was to the pre-Witcher 3 RPG genre, and I think this is what has people disappointed.
Quote from: Tamas on December 14, 2020, 11:26:09 AM
One thing I don't get of people complaining about random-generated NPCs being crappy conversationalists: ignoring the technical requirements of what they dream of, is it normal for people to try and strike up meaningful conversations with people they randomly pass on city streets? Because I have never engaged in that, really.
Yeah, I don't quite get that either. In a small town or village where you can enter all buildings (think Gothic, or Skyrim) and quikly recognize all NPCs it makes sense to script daily activities for the denizens, so that the illusion remains intact.
In an anonymous big city (GTA)? Not much sense, as they're just "faces in the crowd" who you see once and never again. Give them some chatter, some idle animations, some basic interactions and it's fine IMHO. Also: make sure they react appropriately to danger.
I liked the NPC chatter in the city in Gothic 2. It was just random meaningless phrases that nevertheless connected surprisingly well.
"I've heard something else."
"If he doesn't see it, there's no helping him."
"I could tell you things ..."
"You have no idea anymore who to believe!"
"I will stay out of it."
"If only I'd known."
"It's a really bad affair."
"It'll never change."
"He's known it before."
"That's been known for a long time."
"No idea, you tell me."
"That's only going to cause more trouble."
Etc.
Yes, the lines became repetitive after a while, but it generated lovely background nonsense dialogue that was either amusing (to me, anyways), or you later completely ignored it.
Quote from: Tamas on December 14, 2020, 11:26:09 AM
One thing I don't get of people complaining about random-generated NPCs being crappy conversationalists: ignoring the technical requirements of what they dream of, is it normal for people to try and strike up meaningful conversations with people they randomly pass on city streets? Because I have never engaged in that, really.
Yeah, and if you did you sure wouldn't succeed.
Did a side mission that involved a lot of driving and walking around all over the map. Happened to be mostly done in the middle of the night and the sun was coming up by the time I finished it. Found the city to be very atmospheric.
Quote from: Sheilbh on December 14, 2020, 10:49:35 AM
I will get this once I've played Witcher 3 which I've never actually properly got into (:blush: :ph34r:) etc.
So when it's on sale :ph34r:
there's a remastered version coming in, so wait for that before you start playing :)
On the cop spawning issue (with videos):
https://www.pcgamer.com/cyberpunk-2077-cops-are-such-dirty-cheaters-they-dont-even-need-cars-to-catch-you/
That's actually quite bad :lol:
Quote from: Syt on December 15, 2020, 08:22:03 AM
On the cop spawning issue (with videos):
https://www.pcgamer.com/cyberpunk-2077-cops-are-such-dirty-cheaters-they-dont-even-need-cars-to-catch-you/
That's actually quite bad :lol:
Hugh. The bit about the developers being unable to implement a good enough driving AI, making NPCs cheat instead, is also disappointing.
Definitely waiting for the GOTY version.
I'm not sure some problems in this game can be fixed without a complete rework from the ground up.
Maybe I had smaller expectations and/or the console versions are really borked but it sounds like we are playing different games.
Quote from: Tamas on December 15, 2020, 11:15:04 AM
Maybe I had smaller expectations and/or the console versions are really borked but it sounds like we are playing different games.
I definitely had little expectations as I wasn't following the hype machine and pre-release coverage at all. Still gonna wait for a few more patches before giving this a proper go.
Quote from: Tamas on December 15, 2020, 11:15:04 AM
Maybe I had smaller expectations and/or the console versions are really borked but it sounds like we are playing different games.
Apparently the game is in a quite sorry state for the now-older consoles (PS4 / XBox One) - they spent more time prioritizing PC and next-gen consoles.
I definitely think that some people hyped this game up for themselves too much. It was never going to be a life simulator or redefine the very idea of what a video game could do. That said, there are definitely a lot of flaws in the actual game the company delivered and people asking for their money back is perfectly reasonable. Get your money back and buy the game again in six months after patches and possibly reworked game systems.
What is it about the penises I'm hearing?
Quote from: DGuller on December 15, 2020, 01:59:31 PM
What is it about the penises I'm hearing?
Well, sometimes, when a mommy and a daddy love each other very much...
Quote from: FunkMonk on December 15, 2020, 12:49:43 PM
I definitely think that some people hyped this game up for themselves too much. It was never going to be a life simulator or redefine the very idea of what a video game could do. That said, there are definitely a lot of flaws in the actual game the company delivered and people asking for their money back is perfectly reasonable. Get your money back and buy the game again in six months after patches and possibly reworked game systems.
So basically like every other big game release. People get way too insane about these things.
Jim Sterling had a good video this week where he points out that games discourse is largely broken, because there's a loud, vocal group who seek validation through their games and can't handle negative press about things they like. Besides pointing out the toxicity of the discussion he suggested they should find a new hobby as they clearly can't handle video games.
Quote from: Syt on December 15, 2020, 03:14:13 PM
Jim Sterling had a good video this week where he points out that games discourse is largely broken, because there's a loud, vocal group who seek validation through their games and can't handle negative press about things they like. Besides pointing out the toxicity of the discussion he suggested they should find a new hobby as they clearly can't handle video games.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EotshoIXYAATYK3.png)
Using Apu in a meme is super cringe. It's not 2019 anymore.
Quote from: Barrister on December 15, 2020, 02:02:11 PM
Quote from: DGuller on December 15, 2020, 01:59:31 PM
What is it about the penises I'm hearing?
Well, sometimes, when a mommy and a daddy love each other very much...
:wacko:
Quote from: garbon on December 15, 2020, 03:46:34 PM
Quote from: Barrister on December 15, 2020, 02:02:11 PM
Quote from: DGuller on December 15, 2020, 01:59:31 PM
What is it about the penises I'm hearing?
Well, sometimes, when a mommy and a daddy love each other very much...
:wacko:
Okay, for you it starts out "Well sometimes when two hot dudes hook up on Grindr..." :P
Why does a penis always have to be having sex?
And why would I be on grindr? :yeahright:
Quote from: garbon on December 15, 2020, 03:54:12 PM
Why does a penis always have to be having sex?
And why would I be on grindr? :yeahright:
It was a joke. :mellow: Like you're going to give a little kid the "birds and bees" speech.
And because I thought you were going after the heteronormative nature of my so-called joke, so I thought I'd go as gay as possible...
I think that's just part of it with games and possibly the minority, I have seen weirder stuff.
The one example that really stands out is the Total War Center community. Those guys seem to play nothing else but Total War games, they min-max the living hell out of it. Yet it seems the rite of passage there to talk shit of the Total War games. If you want to be in line with the community you must be very critical to pretty much any new TW game. And then play the shit out of it.
Or milder things like on Quartertothree it seems a lot of people consider obligatory to hate on Civ6. I have seen the same people criticise one thing in Civ6, then praise the very same thing (I think it was boardgamish minmaxing being too big part of the game) in Old World, a somewhat interesting but ultimately failed 4X by one of the Civ4 creators who visits the forum at times.
In case of Cyberpunk, maybe there are fervent defenders of it but I have yet to encounter them. I have encountered way more emotional investment in dissing it. Yeah there's no hurry to buy it if you can wait, but also, on a decent PC at least, you can have a good time the main and side quests are interesting, and the combat is okay. Better than GTA5 for sure but then again that's not a high bar.
Quote from: Barrister on December 15, 2020, 03:56:31 PM
Quote from: garbon on December 15, 2020, 03:54:12 PM
Why does a penis always have to be having sex?
And why would I be on grindr? :yeahright:
It was a joke. :mellow: Like you're going to give a little kid the "birds and bees" speech.
And because I thought you were going after the heteronormative nature of my so-called joke, so I thought I'd go as gay as possible...
I think my work is done here.
Quote from: Tamas on December 15, 2020, 03:57:06 PM
I think that's just part of it with games and possibly the minority, I have seen weirder stuff.
The one example that really stands out is the Total War Center community. Those guys seem to play nothing else but Total War games, they min-max the living hell out of it. Yet it seems the rite of passage there to talk shit of the Total War games. If you want to be in line with the community you must be very critical to pretty much any new TW game. And then play the shit out of it.
Or milder things like on Quartertothree it seems a lot of people consider obligatory to hate on Civ6. I have seen the same people criticise one thing in Civ6, then praise the very same thing (I think it was boardgamish minmaxing being too big part of the game) in Old World, a somewhat interesting but ultimately failed 4X by one of the Civ4 creators who visits the forum at times.
In case of Cyberpunk, maybe there are fervent defenders of it but I have yet to encounter them. I have encountered way more emotional investment in dissing it. Yeah there's no hurry to buy it if you can wait, but also, on a decent PC at least, you can have a good time the main and side quests are interesting, and the combat is okay. Better than GTA5 for sure but then again that's not a high bar.
For cyberpunk just look at the comments section of any review. They be teaming with fans.
Quote from: DGuller on December 15, 2020, 01:59:31 PM
What is it about the penises I'm hearing?
When a man wants to pee very much...
(https://rsv-ev.de/assets/images/0/cyberpunkpetition-38fd8405.webp)
Is there a popular discussion forum of experts for holes for women?
Sony has now pulled it from the PlayStation store.
RPS have their review up. Verdict:
QuoteAt this point I feel like I'm just listing stuff in the game, desperate to cover it all. Cyberpunk 2077 is huge, sprawling, complex, and deeply flawed. It's at its best as a fairly straightforward singleplayer action game, with likable characters and thrilling capers in a fascinatingly detailed open world that looks better than any game before it. It's at its worst if you want it to be an RPG, an approach-as-you-please Deus Ex successor, or a polished piece of software. I enjoyed my time with it a lot, and I even want more of it, though I'm going to spend years complaining about its flaws. I'll enjoy the complaining, too.
It reminds me of the Eurojank games of yore, then, but maybe it's fairer to say that it reminds me of the previous games from developers CD Projekt Red. After eight years of one of the most grating marketing campaigns imaginable, Cyberpunk 2077 is here, its ambitions beyond its means. Cyberpunk 2077: Enhanced Edition when?
https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2020/12/16/cyberpunk-2077-review/
It's a long read, but quite good.
Some of the later (I'd imagine I am still mid-game) main missions have been a bit more glitchy than I like, also initial writing seemed to be on par with the Witcher but now definitely leaving me less impressed than I was playing Witcher 3.
Buying on release at full price was definitely a sub-optimal move. By the time this will be 25/50% off it will be n a far better place with less glitches at least.
Are there any quests on par with the one with the Baron's kid in Witcher 3? That was like one of the best RPG quests of all time, IMO.
It seems if save games are corrupted if they go beyond 8 MB, which apparently can happen quite easily if you do a lot of crafting, collect materials/items etc. The new patch came out for PC, but I think I might wait for the promised January patch (which will probably arrive in February :P ) to dive in. This feels a bit too risky atm, considering my penchant to explore a lot/go sightseeing and pick up way too much crap.
Meanwhile, it seems some investors are considering class action suits:
https://www.pcgamer.com/cd-projekt-may-face-class-action-lawsuits-over-cyberpunk-2077/
I watched a cop comparison video of Cyberpunk and GTA3. I assume Cyberpunk's handling of cops actually is horrible?
Quote from: The Brain on December 20, 2020, 06:53:28 AM
I watched a cop comparison video of Cyberpunk and GTA3. I assume Cyberpunk's handling of cops actually is horrible?
Then again, CP is not GTA, I have only accidentally got involved with the cops so far.
Despite all the glitches I am still playing and enjoying it. You guys should make sure not to concentrate on the Xbox One and PS4 whining - yes they got duped and they are right to get refunds but the game on PC is far from the bugged disaster they are seeing on their obsolete pieces of junk.
Quote from: Tamas on December 20, 2020, 07:17:02 AM
Quote from: The Brain on December 20, 2020, 06:53:28 AM
I watched a cop comparison video of Cyberpunk and GTA3. I assume Cyberpunk's handling of cops actually is horrible?
Then again, CP is not GTA, I have only accidentally got involved with the cops so far.
Sure, but they should still be able to do it as well as a game released almost 20 years ago.
Good video by DF about how raytracing enhances the environments in the game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bqA8F6B6NQ&ab_channel=DigitalFoundry
It kind of makes me hope some games (Witcher 3, GTA5, modern AssCreeds ...) find a way to add raytracing retroactively, if their engines permit it without recoding them entirely.
I have an RTX 2070, so it can do raytracing, but I wonder if it's fast enough to do it without chugging along...
I really want to play this but I'm sick of constant computer updates. Feels wasteful. Think my current one could run it but not at highest res.
Think I'm waiting for a while until its all fully patched then maybe get the ps5 version.... Though the FPS element screams bad idea there.
I keep seeing this sponsored Tweet by a rival game :lol:
QuoteObserver SR
@ObserverRedux
A raw, dark retro-future thriller that delighted the reviewers and won the hearts of players. Award-winning #cyberpunk story that will not let you down. Jack in and let the Dream Eater break into your mind!
Observer is not really in the same (gameplay) genre, though. :)
The game looked fine on my old GTX 970 with a mix of low to medium settings. Averages 30 fps.
Got a 1660 Super at MSRP, not at the current massive markups for recent GPUs, and it's running a solid 60 fps with everything on High. Game looks incredible even without ray tracing.
Quote from: Tyr on December 20, 2020, 10:21:48 AM
I really want to play this but I'm sick of constant computer updates. Feels wasteful. Think my current one could run it but not at highest res.
Think I'm waiting for a while until its all fully patched then maybe get the ps5 version.... Though the FPS element screams bad idea there.
Heh, I'm quite fine with the FPS formula. It's tried and true, and as much as I love the Witcher games (and I do love them) they never quite got combat right.
Plus I'm a big fan of the Borderlands games.
Quote from: Tamas on December 20, 2020, 07:17:02 AM
Quote from: The Brain on December 20, 2020, 06:53:28 AM
I watched a cop comparison video of Cyberpunk and GTA3. I assume Cyberpunk's handling of cops actually is horrible?
Then again, CP is not GTA, I have only accidentally got involved with the cops so far.
Despite all the glitches I am still playing and enjoying it. You guys should make sure not to concentrate on the Xbox One and PS4 whining - yes they got duped and they are right to get refunds but the game on PC is far from the bugged disaster they are seeing on their obsolete pieces of junk.
PC has its share of quest/graphical bugs and such. Not to mention missing a ton of features that were promised and marketed. :P
I mean, I'm enjoying the story too, but it's something you play once and then never again because every playthrough will be the same.
Quote from: celedhring on December 20, 2020, 11:20:08 AM
Quote from: Tyr on December 20, 2020, 10:21:48 AM
I really want to play this but I'm sick of constant computer updates. Feels wasteful. Think my current one could run it but not at highest res.
Think I'm waiting for a while until its all fully patched then maybe get the ps5 version.... Though the FPS element screams bad idea there.
Heh, I'm quite fine with the FPS formula. It's tried and true, and as much as I love the Witcher games (and I do love them) they never quite got combat right.
Plus I'm a big fan of the Borderlands games.
FPS on pc I can usually stand. Only some rare ones that throw me off.
On console though they quite universally make me ill.
What's the Cyberpunk experience just driving around, or randomly wander about? In Vice City I would sometimes just drive around enjoying the atmosphere.
You can certainly just drive/wander about, and it's very pretty. You just cannot interact with anything.
Quote from: Solmyr on December 21, 2020, 05:40:53 AM
You can certainly just drive/wander about, and it's very pretty. You just cannot interact with anything.
I'm an introvert. That's frighteningly realistic.
Quote from: The Brain on December 21, 2020, 05:13:57 AM
What's the Cyberpunk experience just driving around, or randomly wander about? In Vice City I would sometimes just drive around enjoying the atmosphere.
I spent much more time doing Taxi missions in VC than I did anything else.
Quote from: Syt on December 21, 2020, 06:45:04 AM
Quote from: The Brain on December 21, 2020, 05:13:57 AM
What's the Cyberpunk experience just driving around, or randomly wander about? In Vice City I would sometimes just drive around enjoying the atmosphere.
I spent much more time doing Taxi missions in VC than I did anything else.
Yeah. I was doing a 100 run, zen-like, but just before 100 a freak car-starting-flying-after-touching-the-curb accident ended that. Good times.
This game is something to look at:
(https://i.imgur.com/LjJotS1.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/02Potqh.png)
And then there's this guy:
(https://i.imgur.com/mry8ae5.jpg)
Old-school moustaches in 2077? Why not.
They're back in fashion in 2020 :lol: :weep:
Quote from: Sheilbh on December 24, 2020, 10:17:19 AM
They're back in fashion in 2020 :lol: :weep:
Like the mullet? The mullet-mustache combo as well?
CD Projekt got hacked and the culprits are threatening to release the Cyberpunk 2077 source code, among many other things. CDPR released the ransom note to the public on Twitter.
Perhaps not entirely surprising for a game called Cyberpunk.
Quote from: FunkMonk on February 09, 2021, 10:00:58 AM
CD Projekt got hacked and the culprits are threatening to release the Cyberpunk 2077 source code, among many other things. CDPR released the ransom note to the public on Twitter.
Perhaps not entirely surprising for a game called Cyberpunk.
Lots of that going around.
Personally I would recommend keeping radio silence on something like this... though I guess releasing the info can serve as an excuse for slow fixes and updates.
Quote from: Jacob on February 09, 2021, 10:38:24 AM
Quote from: FunkMonk on February 09, 2021, 10:00:58 AM
CD Projekt got hacked and the culprits are threatening to release the Cyberpunk 2077 source code, among many other things. CDPR released the ransom note to the public on Twitter.
Perhaps not entirely surprising for a game called Cyberpunk.
Lots of that going around.
Personally I would recommend keeping radio silence on something like this... though I guess releasing the info can serve as an excuse for slow fixes and updates.
EU rules force companies to communicate hacks to their countries' regulatory bodies if personal data might have been compromised. They don't need to tweet about it, but obviously since the information would have become public it's better to get in front of it ASAP.
I feel bad for all the employees whose names, addresses, and phone numbers are very likely out in the wild now for all those insane manchildren who took personal offense at Cyberpunk 2077 not being their ultimate dream video game.
Quote from: celedhring on February 09, 2021, 10:41:42 AM
EU rules force companies to communicate hacks to their countries' regulatory bodies if personal data might have been compromised. They don't need to tweet about it, but obviously since the information would have become public it's better to get in front of it ASAP.
Yeah that makes sense, though source code shouldn't have any personal data in. Of course, once compromised it's difficult to say what the hackers did or did not have access to, so of CDPR did keep customer personal data anywhere they might have no choice but to disclose.
Quote from: FunkMonk on February 09, 2021, 10:50:06 AM
I feel bad for all the employees whose names, addresses, and phone numbers are very likely out in the wild now for all those insane manchildren who took personal offense at Cyberpunk 2077 not being their ultimate dream video game.
It's not a given that those things were accessed. If, for example, that information lived in a cloud-based HR system (very common) and the company's servers were compromised, it's not a given that the hackers gained access to any cloud-based systems.
Quote from: Jacob on February 09, 2021, 10:55:08 AM
Quote from: FunkMonk on February 09, 2021, 10:50:06 AM
I feel bad for all the employees whose names, addresses, and phone numbers are very likely out in the wild now for all those insane manchildren who took personal offense at Cyberpunk 2077 not being their ultimate dream video game.
It's not a given that those things were accessed. If, for example, that information lived in a cloud-based HR system (very common) and the company's servers were compromised, it's not a given that the hackers gained access to any cloud-based systems.
The hackers sort of claimed to though hard to know nature of what they actually took. Could just be some HR policy manuals. :D
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EtxNwXZXUAE6tUX?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
Quote from: celedhring on February 09, 2021, 10:41:42 AM
EU rules force companies to communicate hacks to their countries' regulatory bodies if personal data might have been compromised. They don't need to tweet about it, but obviously since the information would have become public it's better to get in front of it ASAP.
Yeah and given their statement I think they will have had to notify their regulator (you don't if it's low risk) because the wording of that statement is "to the best of our knowledge" no personal data was touched. Which basically sounds to me like the backdoor was open, we know someone was in our systems but we can't definitively work out what they did while they were there.
But if it was high risk given the personal data involved then they have to notify individuals (or the world for something like a game) but that statement doesn't include the information you need.
My guess based on their statement is that they probably don't have the logs to rule out access to personal data (and I imagine a lot of personal data, if not particularly interesting stuff), but it's unlikely and what they're trying to do is get ahead of the situation and manage it. Also once it's with the regulator and law enforcement it is probable that the information will come out so from a PR/reputational perspective you probably want to manage how that's presented and it makes clear that if this stuff is released that it's been stolen which makes it easier to issue injunctions against people for hosting it etc. You wouldn't have to reveal that for an injunction to work/be granted but now this is public knowledge if you host it you basically know, or should know, you're handling stolen goods.
Quote from: garbon on February 09, 2021, 10:59:58 AM
Quote from: Jacob on February 09, 2021, 10:55:08 AM
Quote from: FunkMonk on February 09, 2021, 10:50:06 AM
I feel bad for all the employees whose names, addresses, and phone numbers are very likely out in the wild now for all those insane manchildren who took personal offense at Cyberpunk 2077 not being their ultimate dream video game.
It's not a given that those things were accessed. If, for example, that information lived in a cloud-based HR system (very common) and the company's servers were compromised, it's not a given that the hackers gained access to any cloud-based systems.
The hackers sort of claimed to though hard to know nature of what they actually took. Could just be some HR policy manuals. :D
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EtxNwXZXUAE6tUX?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
The hackers are little children?
I think it's time for stuff like this to be treated on a national level. These ransomware attacks are usually conducted across the border, so really it shouldn't be solely up to companies to defend themselves. Defending citizens against foreign bad actors is kind of a basic job responsibility for every government.
I heard they built an annex on the eighth circle for hackers.
Quote from: garbon on February 09, 2021, 10:59:58 AM
The hackers sort of claimed to though hard to know nature of what they actually took. Could just be some HR policy manuals. :D
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EtxNwXZXUAE6tUX?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
That is standard operating procedure for hackers. Get in, download as much as they can, lock everything up, make bold claims, put on time pressure, hope that the victim cracks.
In reality, if they have hundreds of gigs or terrabytes of source code and data they don't actually know exactly what you have - but they will claim to have everything.
The ransom note they send is not necessarily a reflection of reality as much as it's a form letter with a few added details. But the victim doesn't * know *, and it's that fear and uncertainty the attackers rely on.
Quote from: Sheilbh on February 09, 2021, 11:02:31 AM
Yeah and given their statement I think they will have had to notify their regulator (you don't if it's low risk) because the wording of that statement is "to the best of our knowledge" no personal data was touched. Which basically sounds to me like the backdoor was open, we know someone was in our systems but we can't definitively work out what they did while they were there.
My guess is that they have no evidence that personal data was touched, but until they've done a full forensic investigation they can't rule it out. And even with a full forensic investigation, you can't rule it out 100% (but maybe you can rule it out enough to satisfy regulators). But there's a lot of uncertainty there, and that's what's so damaging.
Your points are well taken though. "We got hacked, fuck 'em" is potentially a valid strategy, and of course if there are legal mandates that require it you don't have a choice.
Quote from: DGuller on February 09, 2021, 12:28:55 PM
I think it's time for stuff like this to be treated on a national level. These ransomware attacks are usually conducted across the border, so really it shouldn't be solely up to companies to defend themselves. Defending citizens against foreign bad actors is kind of a basic job responsibility for every government.
It is often - but companies aren't always on a national level. If they've got servers, or use the cloud, or even just an establishment somewhere with a single laptop there can vulnerabilities beyond borders.
Lots of countries will have dedicated government agencies that can help companies with an attack - for example in the UK we have the National Cybersecurity Centre who provide lots of guidance but can also help in the event of an attack. But governments are generally more focused on protecting essential infrastructure - so I think several of the Baltic states have basically a reservist force of cyber experts who they can call on. That was established after the Russian attacks in the 2000s and it is like the Territorial Army or Reserve personnel, they're volunteers who can be called up in the event of a cyber attack like they experienced from Russia.
But I think governments have enough of an issue defending the essential infrastructure - transport, energy, water, finance, healthcare, telecoms, satellites. I think the focus is in general on protecting the networks and core infrastructure as far as possible. I'm not really sure if they can proactively defend general corporate IT, even if they can help reactively like the NCSC - especially because most cyberattacks aren't the result of clever, state-sponsored or highly sophisticated hacks. In general most happen because of mistakes like someone in your company falling for a phishing email and a bad actor getting into the network and elevating their privileges to an admin. Even the sophisticated state-sponsored or very smart criminal groups often use a phishing attack or stupid password security as their way in.
Honestly the biggest defence to probably the majority of cyberattacks would be if companies enforced multi-factor authentication for their employees, customers and partners - but it's disruptive and gets in the way of business/work.
Quote from: Jacob on February 09, 2021, 12:38:45 PM
My guess is that they have no evidence that personal data was touched, but until they've done a full forensic investigation they can't rule it out. And even with a full forensic investigation, you can't rule it out 100% (but maybe you can rule it out enough to satisfy regulators). But there's a lot of uncertainty there, and that's what's so damaging.
I agree - and from a European perspective it's a risk based assessment. So the test for notifying regulators is you notify unless it is "unlikely" to result in a risk - and obviously it's quite difficult to get to that position if you know you've been hacked. You'd need a few strong points to get to it being "unlikely" to result in a risk to individuals.
Bought this on the Steam sale for half-price. To get the character creation screen to come up correctly I had to roll back my video drivers. I may have spent to much money on this.
Seriously, the game has been out for over a year. I would have thought that these sort of problems had been ironed out by now.
Expansion and Patch 2.0 are dropping soon. PC Gamer at least say the patch is a big overhaul (including much improved police), and they like the expansion, too:
https://www.pcgamer.com/forget-phantom-liberty-cyberpunk-2077s-free-20-patch-is-a-staggering-upgrade-on-its-own/
https://www.pcgamer.com/cyberpunk-2077-phantom-liberty-review/
On sale again I note - though on sale means for a regular game price.
Too much to play and too little time though so it shall wait
RPS seems uncharacteristically hyperbolic in its appraisal for DLC and 2.0 patch:
https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/cyberpunk-2077-phantom-liberty-review
QuoteCyberpunk 2077: Phantom Liberty review: perhaps the best expansion pack ever made
:yeahright:
I'll wait some longer for bigger discount.