QuoteSo far, I had encountered the Social Democratic Party only as a spectator at a few mass demonstrations without gaining any insight into the mind-set of its supporters or the nature of its doctrine. Now, at one moment, I met face-to-face with the results of its training and who supported its "World-Concept ". In the course of a few months, I learned something that otherwise may have taken years—an understanding of a disease masquerading as social virtue and the love of one's neighbor—a disease which humanity must free the earth from or the earth would soon be freed of humanity.
My first encounter with Social Democrats was on a construction job. It was not a good situation from the very beginning. My clothes were still in good shape, my language was cultivated, and my manner reserved. I had so much to do in dealing with my own Fate that I couldn't trouble myself with the world around me. I was looking for work only to avoid starving and so that I could educate myself no matter how long it took. I might not have paid any attention to my new surroundings if an event on the third or fourth day had not compelled me to immediately adopt a new attitude. I was asked to join the organized union.
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QuoteMany times, the privileged-class in a clumsy and immoral manner, formed a united front to oppose worker demands that were justifiable and based in fundamental humanity, and, they did this without offering any excuse, without any reason. Therefore, even the most decent of workmen was driven from the trade-union organizations into political activity.
Millions of workers were inwardly hostile to the Social Democratic Party at first, but their resistance was overcome by the often pointless and insane way in which the privileged-class parties opposed any social demands. The inflexible refusal of reasonable demands such as to improve working conditions, simple safety devices on machines, prevention of child labor, protection for women—at least during the months of pregnancy—this all helped to drive the masses into the nets of Social Democracy, which gratefully latched on to every case of similar contemptible sentiments. Our politicians, our privileged-class, can never rectify these past sins. By resisting all attempts to cure social ills, it sowed hatred and apparently justified the claim that the Social Democratic Party alone represented the interests of the working people. Above all, the privileged-class furnished the moral excuse for the existence of the unions, which have always been the greatest suppliers for the socialist political party.
During my Vienna apprentice years, I was forced to adopt some beliefs, whether I wanted to or not, regarding the union question. As I considered them an inseparable part of the Social Democratic Party, my decision was swift and wrong. I rejected them without hesitation. In this infinitely important question, Fate itself instructed me and, eventually, I had to overturn my rash judgment. At twenty, I had learned to distinguish between the union as a means to defend the employee's general social rights and to win better living conditions, and the union as a tool of the socialist party promoting the political class struggle.
To question whether or not a union is a necessity is really pointless. It is obvious they are necessary. As long as there are employers with little social understanding or even with a faulty sense of justice and an inability to see what is appropriate, it is not merely the right, but the duty of their employees to protect the public interest against the greed or unreasonable acts of individuals. The preservation of honor and faith in a nation is a national interest just as much as the preservation of the people's health. The nation's faith and public health are seriously threatened by unworthy business operators who do not feel themselves to be members of the people's community. The evil effects of their greed or ruthlessness cause serious harm for the future of the nation and the people.
B4 drunk threads are worse than Siege drunk threads.
Quote from: grumbler on September 14, 2015, 08:37:52 PM
B4 drunk threads are worse than Siege drunk threads.
:lol:
I don't drink.
QuoteIf poor treatment drives people to resist, then the struggle can only be decided by superior strength if legal and judicial machinery are not created to resolve these issues.
There we go, that's more in line with his character.
QuoteA knowledge of the Jews is the necessary key to grasping the real intentions of Social Democracy. If a person knows these people, the mask of delusion hiding their aims and the meaning of the party falls from his eyes, and the ape-like face of Marxism grins at him. As it speaks, a fog of social talk flows from the ugly smirk on his face.
Bizzare
So let me get this straight Adolf;
Social Democrat(Marxist)=Union
wait a minute, revision
Social Democrat=The Jews
:huh:
Are you sitting in your kampfy chair?
Is he arguing with a man 70 years dead who has been completely discredited and whose name has become a byword for evil?
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In fact, I began to turn to The German People's Paper more often, which was much smaller, but cleaner in such matters (contemporary views). I disliked the sharp anti-Semitic tone, but I did occasionally read arguments which gave me something to think about.
Such stories eventually educated me about the man and the movement which then governed Vienna's destiny —Dr. Karl Lueger and the Christian Socialist Party. ( Karl Lueger was a member of the Christian Socialist Party which was an anti-Semitic party. He was also the mayor of Vienna in 1897-1910, which made him mayor until Hitler was almost 21 years old.) When I came to Vienna, I was hostile to both. In my eyes, the man and the movement were opposed to political and social change. However, a sense of common justice forced me to change my opinion gradually as I learned about the man and his work. Eventually, my opinion grew into admiration. Today, more than ever, I consider the man the greatest German mayor of all times. But, how many of my preconceived views were upset by this change in attitude toward the Christian Socialist movement?!
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Quote from: Razgovory on September 14, 2015, 09:26:05 PM
Is he arguing with a man 70 years dead who has been completely discredited and whose name has become a byword for evil?
I am arguing with no one. Have you read this, Raz?
But, why did he turn out so evil? What were the markers that turned the lunatic that way and sway millions to inaction to stop him?
Unless your a religious zealot, he certainly wasn't born evil, nobody is.
Quote from: 11B4V on September 14, 2015, 09:36:13 PM
Unless your a religious zealot, he certainly wasn't born evil, nobody is.
I don't consider myself a religious zealot, but aren't we all born in sin? That is, aren't we all born evil?
QuoteI believe I am acting today in the spirit of the Almighty Creator. By standing guard against the Jew, I am defending the work of the Lord.
What we have here is a crusader.
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Quote from: Barrister on September 14, 2015, 10:07:45 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on September 14, 2015, 09:36:13 PM
Unless your a religious zealot, he certainly wasn't born evil, nobody is.
I don't consider myself a religious zealot, but aren't we all born in sin? That is, aren't we all born evil?
I guess if that is your belief
I would look in the mirror, just to make sure neither half of your face is drooping. It can sneak up on you.
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Finally, art and science were also German. Aside from the trash that has come out recently, which could have been made by any negro tribe, the Germans alone possessed the true inspiration for art.
:lol:
Quote from: DGuller on September 14, 2015, 10:26:53 PM
I would look in the mirror, just to make sure neither half of your face is drooping. It can sneak up on you.
I'm quite fine thank you.
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We can judge from the general moral corruption of the group who feel called upon to be politicians that such ideas of honor are not practiced today. Many feel called, but rarely is one truly chosen.
Does the same thought inspire people who support Trump and Sanders. Tired of the usual koolaid so they grasp at anything different. :lol:
Is this Bravo's blog thread? :unsure:
Quote from: Barrister on September 14, 2015, 10:07:45 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on September 14, 2015, 09:36:13 PM
Unless your a religious zealot, he certainly wasn't born evil, nobody is.
I don't consider myself a religious zealot, but aren't we all born in sin? That is, aren't we all born evil?
In my limited experience the answer is an unequivocal NO. Why would you think that?
Yeah, I'm beginning to wonder which lunatic he means in the title... :P
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 14, 2015, 10:48:37 PM
Yeah, I'm beginning to wonder which lunatic he means in the title... :P
:lol:
It (MK) is highly entertaining, bizarre, and tragic.
Quote from: sbr on September 14, 2015, 10:47:40 PM
Quote from: Barrister on September 14, 2015, 10:07:45 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on September 14, 2015, 09:36:13 PM
Unless your a religious zealot, he certainly wasn't born evil, nobody is.
I don't consider myself a religious zealot, but aren't we all born in sin? That is, aren't we all born evil?
In my limited experience the answer is an unequivocal NO. Why would you think that?
Because in my one man's experience the answer is an unequivocal YES.
Quote from: Barrister on September 14, 2015, 11:03:05 PM
Because in my one man's experience the answer is an unequivocal YES.
In your one man's experience, I think we can chalk that up to selection bias. :P
I agree with Beeb. Children don't need to learn how to be bad.
Strange thread.
I don't see why you need to quote it for us bit by bit.
Quote from: garbon on September 15, 2015, 01:02:25 AM
I don't see why you need to quote it for us bit by bit.
I haven't posted a quote in 80 pages. Nothing interesting to me.
Quote from: 11B4V on September 14, 2015, 09:36:13 PM
I am arguing with no one. Have you read this, Raz?
But, why did he turn out so evil? What were the markers that turned the lunatic that way and sway millions to inaction to stop him?
Unless your a religious zealot, he certainly wasn't born evil, nobody is.
There is no need to sway anyone to inaction. Inaction is the natural state.
Quote from: Barrister on September 14, 2015, 11:03:05 PM
Quote from: sbr on September 14, 2015, 10:47:40 PM
Quote from: Barrister on September 14, 2015, 10:07:45 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on September 14, 2015, 09:36:13 PM
Unless your a religious zealot, he certainly wasn't born evil, nobody is.
I don't consider myself a religious zealot, but aren't we all born in sin? That is, aren't we all born evil?
In my limited experience the answer is an unequivocal NO. Why would you think that?
Because in my one man's experience the answer is an unequivocal YES.
Better put your kids in gaol ASAP.
Quote from: crazy canuck on September 15, 2015, 09:00:00 AM
Quote from: Barrister on September 14, 2015, 11:03:05 PM
Quote from: sbr on September 14, 2015, 10:47:40 PM
Quote from: Barrister on September 14, 2015, 10:07:45 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on September 14, 2015, 09:36:13 PM
Unless your a religious zealot, he certainly wasn't born evil, nobody is.
I don't consider myself a religious zealot, but aren't we all born in sin? That is, aren't we all born evil?
In my limited experience the answer is an unequivocal NO. Why would you think that?
Because in my one man's experience the answer is an unequivocal YES.
Better put your kids in gaol ASAP.
Or I could just teach them proper manners and morality so they don't have to go to gaol. :)
Quote from: Barrister on September 15, 2015, 11:02:10 AM
Quote from: crazy canuck on September 15, 2015, 09:00:00 AM
Quote from: Barrister on September 14, 2015, 11:03:05 PM
Quote from: sbr on September 14, 2015, 10:47:40 PM
Quote from: Barrister on September 14, 2015, 10:07:45 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on September 14, 2015, 09:36:13 PM
Unless your a religious zealot, he certainly wasn't born evil, nobody is.
I don't consider myself a religious zealot, but aren't we all born in sin? That is, aren't we all born evil?
In my limited experience the answer is an unequivocal NO. Why would you think that?
Because in my one man's experience the answer is an unequivocal YES.
Better put your kids in gaol ASAP.
Or I could just teach them proper manners and morality so they don't have to go to gaol. :)
But if you believe we are born evil then surely most children will commit atrocities by default. I find your claim of personal experience hard to believe. The stories you tell about your kids make me think they were born as adorable living beings. If they turn bad I think we will know who to blame.
Quote from: crazy canuck on September 15, 2015, 11:42:56 AM
But if you believe we are born evil then surely most children will commit atrocities by default. I find your claim of personal experience hard to believe. The stories you tell about your kids make me think they were born as adorable living beings. If they turn bad I think we will know who to blame.
I think you forget what living with young children is like.
They do indeed commit atrocities on a daily basis against each other. <_<
You may have to look up the word atrocity...
The point here is that people are not naturally good. Whatever that may mean. The second our brains individualize we are naturally quite selfish, if not actually malicious.
Quote from: Barrister on September 15, 2015, 11:02:10 AM
Or I could just teach them proper manners and morality so they don't have to go to gaol. :)
Such things could not exist, since inherently evil creatures could not and would not invent them. Unless you assume their source is otherworldly. In which case you are committing yourself to a religious position (or a tinfoily Sci-Fi scenario).
I think evil is a pretty steep word to use and then applying it to small pre-school children and babies.
Best to leave it as an epithet for true monsters like the subject of the OP.
My own two cents, children are very advance learning machines, you have to be very careful about what they see around themselves and what you teach them, both explicitly and inadvertently.
Quote from: mongers on September 15, 2015, 11:59:42 AM
My own two cents, children are very advance learning machines, you have to be very careful about what they see around themselves and what you teach them, both explicitly and inadvertently.
I sort of agree. But they are very willfully individuals. Everything they learn will be put into their own context, so you cannot really control what they see and what they learn no matter how hard you try. What seems like the message to you might not be what they decide it was. I just give of myself as much as I can and don't worry about it too much.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on September 15, 2015, 11:54:01 AM
Quote from: Barrister on September 15, 2015, 11:02:10 AM
Or I could just teach them proper manners and morality so they don't have to go to gaol. :)
Such things could not exist, since inherently evil creatures could not and would not invent them. Unless you assume their source is otherworldly. In which case you are committing yourself to a religious position (or a tinfoily Sci-Fi scenario).
I didn't think I was being particularly subtle about arguing a pretty standard version of Christian morality. :)
Children are naturally selfish little animals, but capable of empathy as well. I'm often surprised by how naturally 'good' my kid is (when he's not annoying the hell out of me ;) ). Training helps with social graces, but you can't really train for basic personality traits - they are who they are.
Quote from: Malthus on September 15, 2015, 12:39:39 PM
Children are naturally selfish little animals, but capable of empathy as well. I'm often surprised by how naturally 'good' my kid is (when he's not annoying the hell out of me ;) ). Training helps with social graces, but you can't really train for basic personality traits - they are who they are.
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Quote from: The Minsky Moment on September 15, 2015, 11:54:01 AM
Such things could not exist, since inherently evil creatures could not and would not invent them. Unless you assume their source is otherworldly. In which case you are committing yourself to a religious position (or a tinfoily Sci-Fi scenario).
Even if you go with a religious view, the gods who made men inherently evil must themselves be evil, since they could have made men inherently good. So, what some people worship as "God" or gods must be either evil or aliens.
Quote from: Valmy on September 15, 2015, 11:49:11 AM
The point here is that people are not naturally good. Whatever that may mean. The second our brains individualize we are naturally quite selfish, if not actually malicious.
The point is that if people are born evil the human race would have long since become extinct. Humans survived because we are social beings.
Being social is the opposite of evil?
Quote from: garbon on September 15, 2015, 02:48:57 PM
Being social is the opposite of evil?
Yes, if everyone is born evil how did anyone learn to be good. The concept of original sin is a self referencing God did it argument.
In my experience you have to work long and hard to become truly evil.
More Hitler please.
Quote from: The Brain on September 15, 2015, 03:53:19 PM
In my experience you have to work long and hard to become truly evil.
"He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. My childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets."
Quote from: Ed Anger on September 15, 2015, 05:21:11 PM
More Hitler please.
Here's a deuce.
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Never forget that a majority cannot replace a man. A majority always represents stupidity and cowardice.
Quote from: crazy canuck on September 15, 2015, 03:12:08 PM
Quote from: garbon on September 15, 2015, 02:48:57 PM
Being social is the opposite of evil?
Yes, if everyone is born evil how did anyone learn to be good. The concept of original sin is a self referencing God did it argument.
er this is an over simplification of albeit poor theology. The idea is total depravity, but it does not imply that "good" is alien to humanity.
Downloaded a free Dutch copy in pdf from Islam radio.org. So hi NSA and author's rights guild. First chapter starts a bit boring and about 800 pages is a long rant.