I hope the administration doesn't back down. China can't be allowed to bully its neighbors like this.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article5912597.ece
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From The Times
March 16, 2009
Beijing raises stakes with tit-for-tat deployment in South China Sea
Jane Macartney in Beijing
Beijing has increased tension in a disputed part of the South China Sea by sending a patrol ship to protect fishing boats after the United States deployed a destroyer in the area. The American move was in response to alleged Chinese harassment of one of its surveillance vessels.
The Yuzheng 311, a converted naval rescue vessel, is the largest and most modern patrol ship in the Chinese Navy, the Beijing News said. It was due to arrive in the Paracel Islands yesterday to patrol China's exclusive economic zone and to "strengthen fishery administration" in the South China Sea. It will patrol the waters around the Paracels and the Spratly Islands, protecting Chinese fishing boats and transport vessels.
The remote reefs and atolls that comprise the Spratly islands are claimed by China, Vietnam, Malaysia, the Philippines, Brunei and Taiwan. The islands lie on major shipping routes for oil tankers travelling between the Middle East and Japan, South Korea and China. They may also be above undersea oil reserves.
Beijing was enraged by a law passed last week by the Philippines laying claim to the disputed islands, describing the action as illegal.
The timing of the deployment of the patrol vessel appeared to be a response to a build-up of American might in the region. The United States dispatched a destroyer armed with torpedoes and missiles to escort its surveillance ships after harassment earlier this month by the Chinese Navy.
Five Chinese ships engaged in what the Pentagon described as aggressive and co-ordinated manoeuvres around the unarmed surveillance ship Impeccable, forcing it to respond by dousing the Chinese ships with fire hoses.
Chinese naval officers said that the US ship was on a spying mission. It said it had made repeated representations to the US to stop sailing so close to Chinese waters and within its exclusive economic zone. Washington says that the confrontation took place in international waters, but Beijing claims nearly all of the South China Sea as its own.
Well then, you shouldn't have elected a laughably weak idiot as President. China will easily beat him.
Quote from: Neil on March 15, 2009, 10:22:56 PM
Well then, you shouldn't have elected a laughably weak idiot as President. China will easily beat him.
Well, it was either him or McCain/Palin.
Clinton could have been a contender!
I'm all for tit for tit deployment.
AFAIK, most nations with a claim to that area, i.e. Malaysia, Philippines, Vietnam, etc, have all sent military boats into the area.
The last adminstration backed down when the Chinese tested him.
Quote from: Fireblade on March 15, 2009, 10:40:42 PM
Quote from: Neil on March 15, 2009, 10:22:56 PM
Well then, you shouldn't have elected a laughably weak idiot as President. China will easily beat him.
Well, it was either him or McCain/Palin.
And McCain would have been the right choice. Now you'll have to put up with whoever the GOP nominates in 2012.
I don't think McCain could reset our relationships with our potential allies the Chinese and Russians though.
Quote from: Razgovory on March 16, 2009, 12:16:56 AM
The last adminstration backed down when the Chinese tested him.
All the more reason to not back down now.
Quote from: Neil on March 16, 2009, 08:07:08 AM
And McCain would have been the right choice. Now you'll have to put up with whoever the GOP nominates in 2012.
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Since it would never happen, I'd vote for him.
Quote from: Monoriu on March 15, 2009, 11:26:07 PM
AFAIK, most nations with a claim to that area, i.e. Malaysia, Philippines, Vietnam, etc, have all sent military boats into the area.
Don't mind Tim. He's as jingoist and parochial as they come.
I'm a jingoist, yet a realist.
Tim makes imaginary maps where America invades Canada.
I have never jingoed, I have a bad knee.
Quote from: PDH on March 16, 2009, 08:51:00 AM
I have never jingoed, I have a bad knee.
I jingoed 3 women at one time once. it was exhausting.
Quote from: Cindy Brady on March 16, 2009, 08:52:10 AM
That is why you are the master, I am merely the apprentice.
Quote from: PDH on March 16, 2009, 08:53:03 AM
Quote from: Cindy Brady on March 16, 2009, 08:52:10 AM
That is why you are the master, I am merely the apprentice.
But you get to smite and crush the dreams of freshmen, something I can only dream about.
True.
Quote from: Berkut on March 16, 2009, 08:26:33 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on March 16, 2009, 12:16:56 AM
The last administration backed down when the Chinese tested him.
All the more reason to not back down now.
Back down for from what? You fight up, not down. The US won't reconize the insane Chinese territorial waters demands. Nobody will. There's nothing to back down from here.
So . . .
We send a destroyer and they counter by sending . . . a converted rescue vessel.
OMG Go to DEFCON 2 immediately!
Wake me up when something of actual significance happens.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on March 16, 2009, 11:37:59 AM
So . . .
We send a destroyer and they counter by sending . . . a converted rescue vessel.
OMG Go to DEFCON 2 immediately!
Wake me up when something of actual significance happens.
They could have sent one of their submarines but it easy to see them, as they surface a lot and belch smoke from all the fires they have.
Quote from: Cindy Brady on March 16, 2009, 12:46:39 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on March 16, 2009, 11:37:59 AM
So . . .
We send a destroyer and they counter by sending . . . a converted rescue vessel.
OMG Go to DEFCON 2 immediately!
Wake me up when something of actual significance happens.
They could have sent one of their submarines but it easy to see them, as they surface a lot and belch smoke from all the fires they have.
The automatic sprinkler/alarm systems are doing wonders to reduce sub losses, but they really play havoc with the stealthiness.
The Yuzheng 311: http://www.sinodefence.com/navy/fisheries/showimage.asp?imagename=yuzheng311large
The USS Chung-Hoon (DDG-93): http://www.navsource.org/archives/05/05019317.jpg
The Yuzheng 311 is classified by the Chinese Navy as a Fisheries Law Enforcement Vessel.
It's like countering a deployment of a carrier strike group by dispatching the "Love Boat"
I'll bet that ship is pretty expensive. You think they could have sprung for a window though.(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.navsource.org%2Farchives%2F05%2F05019317.jpg&hash=2d415de771cf571b74471034fd6d3c8d0f3147e6)
Its good to know the familiar world-wide solution to economic problems will be used: war.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on March 16, 2009, 01:11:33 PM
The Yuzheng 311: http://www.sinodefence.com/navy/fisheries/showimage.asp?imagename=yuzheng311large
The USS Chung-Hoon (DDG-93): http://www.navsource.org/archives/05/05019317.jpg
The Yuzheng 311 is classified by the Chinese Navy as a Fisheries Law Enforcement Vessel.
It's like countering a deployment of a carrier strike group by dispatching the "Love Boat"
Hey now, Captain Stubing was a first class tactician.
The AEGIS system has been upgraded to handle unexpected guest appearances by zombie Buddy Hackett.
That would be an exciting and new adventure.
I'm going to reinstall Navy Strike.