http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=4180
Actually, Ballmer says that if Vista wasn't good, it's because beta testers didn't report the flaws in Vista. And he says Windows 7 has as much good comments from the beta testers than Vista had.
That's scary :D
I should get my copy sometime next week, btw. I'll tell you more once it's installed.
I don't understand the level of hatred for Vista, really. I mean, UAC is annoying as fuck, as is Superfetch, but both are easy to turn off. I guess I would say they should not have been enabled by default.
Vista is good, so if 7 is good too, then...alright.
Edit: And people are really weird about UAC, I've noticed. I don't know what you're using your computer for Cal, like if you're using various work programs that require elevations, etcetcetc, but for most people, UAC shouldn't be popping up very much at all when you're just doing "normal" type things. Really makes me wonder about what the fuck these people are doing when they're "only trying to surf the net or play a game," and they're saying UAC is freaking the fuck out. Probably just something that goes along with my job, and is probably why I want to burn the goddamn building down a half hour into the day, but whatever.
Edit2: And whenever some dickhead breaks their goddamn Mac (or the piece of shit takes a dump on it's own), then wants me to fix the thing, it makes me want to kill myself. Just works, my ass.
I'm just going to keep editing in whiny bitchiness here, so I don't shit up some other forum, or some other thread on this forum. :P
Quote from: Caliga on October 21, 2009, 12:47:22 PM
I don't understand the level of hatred for Vista, really. I mean, UAC is annoying as fuck, as is Superfetch, but both are easy to turn off. I guess I would say they should not have been enabled by default.
I do not hate Vista.
I did not like, nearly hated Vista on release, for nearly a year, until they released SP#1, and until we had sufficient Vista drivers out there.
I hate Vista.
I don't hate XP.
Quote from: Barrister on October 21, 2009, 01:11:34 PM
I hate Vista.
I don't hate XP.
Yeah, but that is only because of those Mac vs. PC commercials.
Drink some more kool-aid.
Quote from: Berkut on October 21, 2009, 01:24:46 PM
Yeah, but that is only because of those Mac vs. PC commercials.
Drink some more kool-aid.
Give me some credit Berk. We have 3 computers in the Barrister house - one dual-booting OS X and XP, one with Vista, another with XP. I've used them all, and have always been dissatisfied with Vista. It's part of why I went Mac in the first place.
Quote from: Barrister on October 21, 2009, 01:28:19 PM
It's part of why I went Mac in the first place.
No it's not. We all know you went Mac because you have a Brokeback Mountain fantasy crush on that hipster fag in the commercials.
Quote from: Caliga on October 21, 2009, 01:30:45 PM
Quote from: Barrister on October 21, 2009, 01:28:19 PM
It's part of why I went Mac in the first place.
No it's not. We all know you went Mac because you have a Brokeback Mountain fantasy crush on that hipster fag in the commercials.
:huh:
The best part of those commercials (which I do like) is the guy that plays the PC. He gets all the good lines.
Quote from: Caliga on October 21, 2009, 01:30:45 PM
Quote from: Barrister on October 21, 2009, 01:28:19 PM
It's part of why I went Mac in the first place.
No it's not. We all know you went Mac because you have a Brokeback Mountain fantasy crush on that hipster fag in the commercials.
I watch
Dodgeball every now and then to watch him take a dodgeball to the nuts.
I like Vista. have been using it since it came out. It's not without its quarks (like putting game saves in bizarre places), but all in all it works fine and I'm in no rush to get $even.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on October 21, 2009, 01:02:43 PM
Vista is good, so if 7 is good too, then...alright.
Edit: And people are really weird about UAC, I've noticed. I don't know what you're using your computer for Cal, like if you're using various work programs that require elevations, etcetcetc, but for most people, UAC shouldn't be popping up very much at all when you're just doing "normal" type things. Really makes me wonder about what the fuck these people are doing when they're "only trying to surf the net or play a game," and they're saying UAC is freaking the fuck out. Probably just something that goes along with my job, and is probably why I want to burn the goddamn building down a half hour into the day, but whatever.
Edit2: And whenever some dickhead breaks their goddamn Mac (or the piece of shit takes a dump on it's own), then wants me to fix the thing, it makes me want to kill myself. Just works, my ass.
I'm just going to keep editing in whiny bitchiness here, so I don't shit up some other forum, or some other thread on this forum. :P
For me, elevation is necessary for control panel and command-line operations (pretty infrequently), copying files into Program Files (pretty frequently- I could write a script to do it, but that'd have to be elevated as well, so there's no point), and also for using Inkscape (the pasting method they implemented requires administrator access or it crashes for some reason).
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 21, 2009, 01:34:25 PM
I watch Dodgeball every now and then to watch him take a dodgeball to the nuts.
Even better, he gets kneecapped in the latest Die Hard movie. I thought it was a horrible movie up to that point, but seeing him take a bullet in the knee was worth 2 stars in & of itself.
Perhaps Zindows 7 *is* as good as Vista.
QuoteWill Your Phone Work with Windows 7?
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Windows 7 is shaping up to be a huge leap over Vista, but it doesn't do much for smartphone owners yet. In theory, Windows 7's Device Stage is supposed to look nicer than Windows Mobile Device Center, sync more data types, and support many different phone platforms.
That would be great, if it worked. But for now, almost no mobile vendors are supporting Device Stage. Not even Microsoft! To test Device Stage, I hooked up 13 different cell phones to a Lenovo ThinkPad T400s running the retail version of Windows 7. I tested representative devices from all major smartphone OSes and included several Windows Mobile 6.1 and 6.5 smartphones for good measure.
Exactly zero worked with Device Stage.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2354491,00.asp
Smartphone owners should be purged.
Quote from: Barrister on October 21, 2009, 05:51:00 PM
Perhaps Zindows 7 *is* as good as Vista.
QuoteWill Your Phone Work with Windows 7?
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2354491,00.asp
I always love the premature OMG WINDOWS __ IS CRAP! right when the OS is coming out. It was particularly amusing with XP, which later turned into the bestest OS ever when Vista became the new whipping boy.
At any rate, I'm not sure what use I would have for this feature even if it worked for my phone. I sync all my contacts, appointments, and work email with an Exchange server. If I want to move any media, I just connect my phone & move stuff to its micro SD card. I haven't had to sync directly with a PC since I had a Treo 650.
I don't buy the '7 is as good as Vista' line... or the 'just the same happened with XP' either.
Vista is the very first Windows System that no one I know installed willingly on his PC (and I work in IT). Every person I know that bought a new PC minus one (and that one is a complete ignoramus) removed Vista as a matter of course.
Further, when Vista was new I did my round of blogs, articles, etc. If Ballmer says beta testers were enthusiastic, then he should have got new beta testers (and perhaps did)... the unanimous opinion was Vista had very serious issues. Slow, heavy, error prone and bothersome doesn't even start to describe them. Now I'm doing the same and 7 is getting far better results.
Should I go the Windows 7 oem route?
Quote from: Scipio on October 22, 2009, 07:24:49 AM
Should I go the Windows 7 oem route?
You save $50 but cannot transfer the program to new computers, nor get technical support. If you are comfortable with those restrictions, then yes.
I got windows 7 pro for free through MSDNAA. My question is, should I put the 64bit edition on my laptop with only 1 Gb of memory? It runs Vista obnoxiously slow so it can't be much worse in that regard, but I'm worried about stability/compatibility issues.
I just bought a license for 30 bucks. I'll make my decision and let ya'll know.
Quote from: grumbler on October 22, 2009, 07:28:58 AM
You save $50 but cannot transfer the program to new computers, nor get technical support. If you are comfortable with those restrictions, then yes.
On NewEgg full versions are about twice the price of OEM versions, or more properly OEM versions are about half the price of full versions.
The other difference though is the full retail version includes both the 32 and 64 bit installs, whereas the OEM version is one or the other.
Quote from: Maximus on October 22, 2009, 07:50:02 AM
I got windows 7 pro for free through MSDNAA. My question is, should I put the 64bit edition on my laptop with only 1 Gb of memory? It runs Vista obnoxiously slow so it can't be much worse in that regard, but I'm worried about stability/compatibility issues.
Apparently, you need 2GB to run 64-bit Win7; my laptop's at 3GB, so I think I'm going to stay at 32-bit until I can get some more RAM in.
It's fairly Ironic that I am running into my first real technical problems with Windows 7 on the day of it's release.
Quote from: Grey Fox on October 22, 2009, 08:30:39 AM
It's fairly Ironic that I am running into my first real technical problems with Windows 7 on the day of it's release.
Mine's supposed to ship as close to today as possible, but I'm gonna wait on an install for that reason- let some of the early installers put up the bug reports and let M$ come up with hotfixes.
I wish I lived in Japan so I could get a Windows 7 Whopper :lol:
http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/22/burger-king-selling-a-windows-7-whopper-in-japan/
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.blogcdn.com%2Fwww.engadget.com%2Fmedia%2F2009%2F10%2F22ng11059.jpg&hash=d4cd3c9dbabc13c2f6ce06b4dbbecab176740d93)
What makes Win 7 whopper different from a regular whopper? Less bugs in it?
Quote from: DGuller on October 22, 2009, 09:09:32 AM
What makes Win 7 whopper different from a regular whopper? Less bugs in it?
Read the article. 7 patties.
The full pic:
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.blogcdn.com%2Fwww.engadget.com%2Fmedia%2F2009%2F10%2F22ng560734059.jpg&hash=1671fa9ba372b96c700e4f753def12a2a6efb339)
Quote from: Barrister on October 21, 2009, 01:31:51 PM
Quote from: Caliga on October 21, 2009, 01:30:45 PM
Quote from: Barrister on October 21, 2009, 01:28:19 PM
It's part of why I went Mac in the first place.
No it's not. We all know you went Mac because you have a Brokeback Mountain fantasy crush on that hipster fag in the commercials.
:huh:
The best part of those commercials (which I do like) is the guy that plays the PC. He gets all the good lines.
It's alright to embrace who you are, BB. you are a wonderful and fabulous human being and that's all that counts. :)
Don't see any reason to change from XP. Don't understand why people change OS unless something is wrong or it comes with a new computer. I'll upgrade when Microsoft stops supporting XP and I can no longer run the programs and games that I want.
Quote from: DontSayBanana on October 22, 2009, 08:43:17 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on October 22, 2009, 08:30:39 AM
It's fairly Ironic that I am running into my first real technical problems with Windows 7 on the day of it's release.
Mine's supposed to ship as close to today as possible, but I'm gonna wait on an install for that reason- let some of the early installers put up the bug reports and let M$ come up with hotfixes.
I had the pro version for about a month now. It's pretty good.
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on October 22, 2009, 09:56:21 AM
Don't see any reason to change from XP. Don't understand why people change OS unless something is wrong or it comes with a new computer. I'll upgrade when Microsoft stops supporting XP and I can no longer run the programs and games that I want.
Because I'm a computer geek and have to have the latest and greatest technology. D'uh.
But more seriously - the only reason I'm planning to upgrade (though not today) is because I'm not replacing the Mac anytime soon, but after upgrading to 10GB RAM I need to move to 64-bit Windows to take advantage of it all. And so it might as well be 64-bit Windows 7.
Quote from: Alatriste on October 22, 2009, 02:39:44 AM
I don't buy the '7 is as good as Vista' line... or the 'just the same happened with XP' either.
Vista is the very first Windows System that no one I know installed willingly on his PC (and I work in IT). Every person I know that bought a new PC minus one (and that one is a complete ignoramus) removed Vista as a matter of course.
Further, when Vista was new I did my round of blogs, articles, etc. If Ballmer says beta testers were enthusiastic, then he should have got new beta testers (and perhaps did)... the unanimous opinion was Vista had very serious issues. Slow, heavy, error prone and bothersome doesn't even start to describe them. Now I'm doing the same and 7 is getting far better results.
When XP came out, it was touted as the "best OS ever from M$". Yet, it turned out to be buggy&unstable until the 2nd service pack.
People were saying how good was Windows 98 compared to this.
Vista was slow until the first service pack.
People were saying how good XP was compared to this.
Windows 7 is apparently faster&better than Vista and XP. We'll see.
Quote from: grumbler on October 22, 2009, 07:28:58 AM
You save $50 but cannot transfer the program to new computers,
That's only the theory. Wait 4 months, do it without calling M$. Did it before, all you have to do is call them and tell them you have not installed the OS on more than one computer (wich is the truth) and you're ok.
Quotenor get technical support. If you are comfortable with those restrictions, then yes.
Well, correct me if I'm wrong, but Microsoft does not offer free tech support for Windows, you have to pay to get support beyond 90 days?
Quote from: viper37 on October 22, 2009, 02:05:41 PM
Quote from: grumbler on October 22, 2009, 07:28:58 AM
You save $50 but cannot transfer the program to new computers,
That's only the theory. Wait 4 months, do it without calling M$. Do it before, all you have to do is call them and tell them you have not installed the OS on more than one computer (wich is the truth) and you're ok.
So I can take my copy of OEM XP, which I installed 2 years ago, and do a fresh install on a different computer?
Quote from: Maximus on October 22, 2009, 07:50:02 AM
I got windows 7 pro for free through MSDNAA. My question is, should I put the 64bit edition on my laptop with only 1 Gb of memory? It runs Vista obnoxiously slow so it can't be much worse in that regard, but I'm worried about stability/compatibility issues.
Stick with 32 bit, or get at least 4gb of RAM.
In fact, Vista 64 is slower than Vista 32 with only 4gb of ram, because of the way it runs 32 bit applications. With 8gb, it's a different story.
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on October 22, 2009, 09:56:21 AM
Don't see any reason to change from XP. Don't understand why people change OS unless something is wrong or it comes with a new computer.
New functionalities. Less hassles. Better drivers. Better support of emerging technologies.
Quote from: Barrister on October 22, 2009, 02:07:20 PM
So I can take my copy of OEM XP, which I installed 2 years ago, and do a fresh install on a different computer?
As long as you have the disc, yes. Use the activation button in the menu and it will activate over the web painlessly. Done it multiple times with XP and Vista. The key used for the activation reset itselfs after 4 months. And there's a (100% legal) trick to install an upgrade version of Vista on a new machine/formatted HDD too... ;) I'm hoping it works with Win 7 :) But I'll eventually buy an OEM version too, just in case.
It's your OS anyway, you paid for it, and you installed it.
It's only really a problem when you get a laptop that has Windows pre-installed without discs. Then it's really a pain in the ass... Microsoft will not give you the OS discs and the manufacturer will often refuse to give you discs... so you really paid for an exclusive license.
Some of the best improvements IMO with Win7 are in Media Center & WMP12. Media Center finally supports QAM for HDTV tuners as well as satellite tuners and better support for cable cards. And I think the interface is cleaner-- looks similar to the "twist" interface the Zune and Xbox 360 are using.
With WMP12 you can push music or video to capable PCs or devices on your network with the "Play To" function and can set up to stream music between two PCs no matter where they are (which itself is not "new" but it's cool to have it integrated with WMP12).
And there's probably some other cool crap I'm forgetting.
Quote from: viper37 on October 22, 2009, 02:08:47 PM
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on October 22, 2009, 09:56:21 AM
Don't see any reason to change from XP. Don't understand why people change OS unless something is wrong or it comes with a new computer.
New functionalities. Less hassles. Better drivers. Better support of emerging technologies.
Very minor new functionalities. New errors. New vulnerabilities. New incompatibilities. Old software and hardware that refuses to work or exhibits odd anomalies... and about less hassles, I beg to differ. The coup de grace is the price: 200-300 bucks. The improvements, even if they finally work as advertised, just aren't worth that money.
There's no way in hell I would ever go back to XP Pro from Vista Business. Occasionally using it for work and such reminds me how clunky and just...old...it is now. Then again, every computer I use Vista on has more than enough "juice" to run it really quite nicely, so...
Anyway...I imagine I'll be picking up 7 once the first SP comes out, or possibly before if people who I know aren't morons think it's alright (or if I just do that MSDNAA thing heh fuck it).
Quote from: Alatriste on October 22, 2009, 03:10:05 PM
Quote from: viper37 on October 22, 2009, 02:08:47 PM
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on October 22, 2009, 09:56:21 AM
Don't see any reason to change from XP. Don't understand why people change OS unless something is wrong or it comes with a new computer.
New functionalities. Less hassles. Better drivers. Better support of emerging technologies.
Very minor new functionalities. New errors. New vulnerabilities. New incompatibilities. Old software and hardware that refuses to work or exhibits odd anomalies... and about less hassles, I beg to differ. The coup de grace is the price: 200-300 bucks. The improvements, even if they finally work as advertised, just aren't worth that money.
Re: drivers, software, and hardware-- generally speaking, if it worked on Vista it works on Win7. Not that that helps DP since he's currently on XP, but I thought I'd mention it anyway :)
The main problem I have with Vista is that I can't find anything. Why the fuck did they move things around? That wasn't broken. That, the requirements/bloatware, the DRM, and the price. That as a home user.
As a professional I'm not touching it until XP is buried. Known bugs and shortcomings > unknown bugs and shortcomings. Not to mention all the legacy crap we run.
They moved shit even more in Win7.
Classic control panel is gone :(
Quote from: viper37 on October 22, 2009, 02:12:48 PM
It's your OS anyway, you paid for it, and you installed it.
No, it is not. That is the meaning of "OEM version," and why it is cheaper. It isn't your OS, you have simply paid to use it one time on a single machine.
While it may be true that the key resets itself after 4 months, or M$ allows you to call them and get the key reset, the license is clear as to what you are buying and what your product rights are, and clearly this is not "your OS" in the way the non-OEM version is.
Quote from: grumbler on October 23, 2009, 06:30:11 AM
Quote from: viper37 on October 22, 2009, 02:12:48 PM
It's your OS anyway, you paid for it, and you installed it.
No, it is not. That is the meaning of "OEM version," and why it is cheaper. It isn't your OS, you have simply paid to use it one time on a single machine.
While it may be true that the key resets itself after 4 months, or M$ allows you to call them and get the key reset, the license is clear as to what you are buying and what your product rights are, and clearly this is not "your OS" in the way the non-OEM version is.
Yeah, but the way EULAs are written for pretty much any software (and some non-software stuff, as preposterous as that sounds), you almost don't "own" anything these days-- you just get a license to use it with a shitload of restrictions.
Quote from: grumbler on October 23, 2009, 06:30:11 AM
No, it is not. That is the meaning of "OEM version," and why it is cheaper. It isn't your OS, you have simply paid to use it one time on a single machine.
While it may be true that the key resets itself after 4 months, or M$ allows you to call them and get the key reset, the license is clear as to what you are buying and what your product rights are, and clearly this is not "your OS" in the way the non-OEM version is.
I still don't care. I bought it. It's mine.
However, I think an OEM license # will not work with a retail version (when you have more than one disc copy of Windows). But IIRC, the language of the software does not matter (english keys works with french softwares and vice-versa).
Also, IIRC, you can upgrade from an OEM software to an upgrade version later on.
If I'm not mistaken, the EULA for the upgrade software does not prevent you from upgrading an OEM Windows.
Okay, so even though you can't upgrade directly from XP to 7, can you actually use an upgrade copy of 7 to install if you only have XP?
The box seemed to imply so...
That's the wording.
I just got my copy.
I'm upgrading right now.
If you don't see me soon, call the tech police for I fear I'll sacrifice at least one computer to the Gods.
Well... that was quick!
I ordered Win 7 professional, and I can't install this on my machine with Vista Home Premium. and of course, there's no way I can legally download Windows 7 if I'm not American.
Silly shit. I'll have to order another DVD for this machine. Let's see how it goes in the office...
Clean install? Upgrading = Death!
MS moves shit around needlessly in every iteration of every app they release. Why? Because it's a big company with too much in the way of middle management who need to propose changes to minutiae in order to be busy and thereby justify their continued existence.
Quote from: Grey Fox on October 23, 2009, 01:26:19 PM
Clean install? Upgrading = Death!
Fuck the clean install. It pisses my family off to no end.
Quote from: Grey Fox on October 23, 2009, 01:26:19 PM
Clean install? Upgrading = Death!
Read my lips: NO FUCKING WAY.
Of course a clean install is probably better. But it takes an awful lot of time too, reinstalling every single piece of software and every single driver, re-searching for every single serial number... no! that'd be the death of me.
Upgrade will be the way to go.
Quote from: Grey Fox on October 23, 2009, 01:26:19 PM
Clean install? Upgrading = Death!
My upgrade was near-perfect.
Quote from: viper37 on October 23, 2009, 01:25:06 PM
I ordered Win 7 professional, and I can't install this on my machine with Vista Home Premium. and of course, there's no way I can legally download Windows 7 if I'm not American.
Silly shit. I'll have to order another DVD for this machine. Let's see how it goes in the office...
:pinch: Always check the upgrade path before buying an upgrade version.
I am now up and running on Win 7. Looks good so far.
Quote from: derspiess on October 23, 2009, 03:52:48 PM
Quote from: viper37 on October 23, 2009, 01:25:06 PM
I ordered Win 7 professional, and I can't install this on my machine with Vista Home Premium. and of course, there's no way I can legally download Windows 7 if I'm not American.
Silly shit. I'll have to order another DVD for this machine. Let's see how it goes in the office...
:pinch: Always check the upgrade path before buying an upgrade version.
I dunno - Viper knows computers pretty well, and he missed it...
Plus do you know what the Snow Leopard upgrade path was? Anything -> Snow Leopard. For $29.
I like the thing where you snap a window off to the left and it re-adjusts to half the screen.
Quote from: Barrister on October 24, 2009, 12:09:43 AM
Quote from: derspiess on October 23, 2009, 03:52:48 PM
Quote from: viper37 on October 23, 2009, 01:25:06 PM
I ordered Win 7 professional, and I can't install this on my machine with Vista Home Premium. and of course, there's no way I can legally download Windows 7 if I'm not American.
Silly shit. I'll have to order another DVD for this machine. Let's see how it goes in the office...
:pinch: Always check the upgrade path before buying an upgrade version.
I dunno - Viper knows computers pretty well, and he missed it...
Plus do you know what the Snow Leopard upgrade path was? Anything -> Snow Leopard. For $29.
Yeah, but then you're stuck with Snow Leopard on your computer.
Quote from: Neil on October 24, 2009, 06:43:58 PM
Yeah, but then you're stuck with Snow Leopard on your computer.
And with a Mac.
I have Vista and I do not really care for it. I install computer games on my PC and I have no idea where the files for them go. It seems they appear just randomly across the Hard Drive. I'll wait a while on Windows 7 till there's some reviews and the first bugs get shaken out but will likely switch over.
Quote from: Razgovory on October 24, 2009, 10:37:15 PM
I'll wait a while on Windows 7 till there's some reviews and the first bugs get shaken out but will likely switch over.
Have you been under a rock for the past year? There have been plenty of reviews already, and with the public beta being what it's been, I don't think there are many major bugs out there yet to be discovered.
But IIRC, I don't think Win7 handles game files much differently from Vista.
So i'm still running xp on this machine, if i wanted to get Win 7, what version do i need to pick up?
Quote from: katmai on October 25, 2009, 09:26:31 PM
So i'm still running xp on this machine, if i wanted to get Win 7, what version do i need to pick up?
If you have XP Home, I think you can get an upgrade version of 7 Home. If you have XP Professional, you can use an upgrade of 7 Professional.
Or you can use a full version of whatever you like.
Quote from: Barrister on October 25, 2009, 09:28:51 PM
Quote from: katmai on October 25, 2009, 09:26:31 PM
So i'm still running xp on this machine, if i wanted to get Win 7, what version do i need to pick up?
If you have XP Home, I think you can get an upgrade version of 7 Home. If you have XP Professional, you can use an upgrade of 7 Professional.
Or you can use a full version of whatever you like.
Well see when i checked it out at Costco last night it the upgrade 7 home says on box can upgrade from Vista, if trying to upgrade from XP i need a clean install...which i don't feel like doing. :P
Quote from: katmai on October 25, 2009, 09:30:13 PM
Well see when i checked it out at Costco last night it the upgrade 7 home says on box can upgrade from Vista, if trying to upgrade from XP i need a clean install...which i don't feel like doing. :P
It is confusing as hell, but as far as I can figure...
You can use the "upgrade" version of Win 7, but you aren't able to do an upgrade, and instead need to do a clean install.
Quote from: Barrister on October 25, 2009, 09:40:15 PM
You can use the "upgrade" version of Win 7, but you aren't able to do an upgrade, and instead need to do a clean install.
After further investigation, that seems to be case, which means i'll pass for now.
Quote from: katmai on October 25, 2009, 09:41:41 PM
Quote from: Barrister on October 25, 2009, 09:40:15 PM
You can use the "upgrade" version of Win 7, but you aren't able to do an upgrade, and instead need to do a clean install.
After further investigation, that seems to be case, which means i'll pass for now.
Just a reminder, the Snow Leopard upgrade path:
Any Intel Mac -> Snow Leopard. :)
Quote from: Barrister on October 25, 2009, 09:43:14 PM
Quote from: katmai on October 25, 2009, 09:41:41 PM
Quote from: Barrister on October 25, 2009, 09:40:15 PM
You can use the "upgrade" version of Win 7, but you aren't able to do an upgrade, and instead need to do a clean install.
After further investigation, that seems to be case, which means i'll pass for now.
Just a reminder, the Snow Leopard upgrade path:
Any Intel Mac -> Snow Leopard. :)
Yea i know Beeb. But i don't have a mac atm :P
And i'd still be trying to figure this out as i'd be in bootcamp quite a bit anyways :P
Quote from: katmai on October 25, 2009, 09:45:35 PM
Yea i know Beeb. But i don't have a mac atm :P
And i'd still be trying to figure this out as i'd be in bootcamp quite a bit anyways :P
ATM?
:shifty:
Quote from: Razgovory on October 24, 2009, 10:37:15 PM
I have Vista and I do not really care for it. I install computer games on my PC and I have no idea where the files for them go. It seems they appear just randomly across the Hard Drive. I'll wait a while on Windows 7 till there's some reviews and the first bugs get shaken out but will likely switch over.
You installing from discs or from digital downloads? Vista uses a "digital locker" for digital downloads with DRMs- Sims 3 uses proprietary DRMs, but I believe my game files for Deus Ex are in the digital locker.
Quote from: Barrister on October 25, 2009, 09:49:22 PM
Quote from: katmai on October 25, 2009, 09:45:35 PM
Yea i know Beeb. But i don't have a mac atm :P
And i'd still be trying to figure this out as i'd be in bootcamp quite a bit anyways :P
ATM?
:shifty:
Oh when i have $3k to drop for a nice editing mac rig i will
Quote from: katmai on October 25, 2009, 09:53:18 PM
ATM?
:shifty:
Oh when i have $3k to drop for a nice editing mac rig i will
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I think, given that kind of budget, none of us who mess with media editing would sneeze at a Mac Pro, especially since they upped the minimum core speed to 3.06 GHz. :P
Oh, great, Windows 7 does hide file extensions. How many OSs will take for Microsoft to learn that hiding file extensions has led to countless infections and worse still, is absolutely useless?
They'll never learn it.
Even greater. It seems that even if you change that option to show extensions, some executable files (the old .PIF) will still hide their true colors!
http://www.f-secure.com/weblog/archives/00001678.html
Quote from: Alatriste on October 26, 2009, 03:17:31 AM
Oh, great, Windows 7 does hide file extensions. How many OSs will take for Microsoft to learn that hiding file extensions has led to countless infections and worse still, is absolutely useless?
That's stupid. What was the reasoning behind that-- did they think file extensions would confuse inexperienced users or something?
Quote from: derspiess on October 26, 2009, 02:18:59 PM
Quote from: Alatriste on October 26, 2009, 03:17:31 AM
Oh, great, Windows 7 does hide file extensions. How many OSs will take for Microsoft to learn that hiding file extensions has led to countless infections and worse still, is absolutely useless?
That's stupid. What was the reasoning behind that-- did they think file extensions would confuse inexperienced users or something?
Probably. Probably true too.
Got my Amazon pre-order in today, so I ran an upgrade install on my home theater PC. Only issue with that so far is that I needed to upgrade my version of Skype. On the first bootup, Win7 saw that I had a printer in the Home group & all I needed to do is give confirmation that I wanted to add it-- no other effort on my part.
I realized this evening that this PC's processor is 64-bit, but I only have 2GB of RAM in it right now, so I just did the straight upgrade to 32-bit Win7.
What do you guys think-- would I tend to get any improvement in system performance if I added another 2GB of RAM & installed 64-bit Win7? I would I need to go to 6 or 8GB to see any improvement?
Quote from: derspiess on October 26, 2009, 02:18:59 PM
Quote from: Alatriste on October 26, 2009, 03:17:31 AM
Oh, great, Windows 7 does hide file extensions. How many OSs will take for Microsoft to learn that hiding file extensions has led to countless infections and worse still, is absolutely useless?
That's stupid. What was the reasoning behind that-- did they think file extensions would confuse inexperienced users or something?
Users would still have that nice color icon _and_ the extension, they would have to be deeply retarded to get confused. Further, Windows only hides extensions for a list of recognized types. For example, pdf files do show their extension.
Quote from: derspiess on October 25, 2009, 09:11:58 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on October 24, 2009, 10:37:15 PM
I'll wait a while on Windows 7 till there's some reviews and the first bugs get shaken out but will likely switch over.
Have you been under a rock for the past year?
Well yeah...
Quote from: derspiess on October 28, 2009, 12:40:39 AM
Got my Amazon pre-order in today, so I ran an upgrade install on my home theater PC. Only issue with that so far is that I needed to upgrade my version of Skype. On the first bootup, Win7 saw that I had a printer in the Home group & all I needed to do is give confirmation that I wanted to add it-- no other effort on my part.
I realized this evening that this PC's processor is 64-bit, but I only have 2GB of RAM in it right now, so I just did the straight upgrade to 32-bit Win7.
What do you guys think-- would I tend to get any improvement in system performance if I added another 2GB of RAM & installed 64-bit Win7? I would I need to go to 6 or 8GB to see any improvement?
On paper, 32-bit requires 2 GB and 64-bit only requires 3 GB, so you'd come out ahead, but considering more and more basic programs are becoming more and more bloated, and considering how inexpensive RAM is nowadays, I'd push for 6 or 8 before making the switch.
Quote from: DontSayBanana on October 28, 2009, 07:17:46 AM
Quote from: derspiess on October 28, 2009, 12:40:39 AM
Got my Amazon pre-order in today, so I ran an upgrade install on my home theater PC. Only issue with that so far is that I needed to upgrade my version of Skype. On the first bootup, Win7 saw that I had a printer in the Home group & all I needed to do is give confirmation that I wanted to add it-- no other effort on my part.
I realized this evening that this PC's processor is 64-bit, but I only have 2GB of RAM in it right now, so I just did the straight upgrade to 32-bit Win7.
What do you guys think-- would I tend to get any improvement in system performance if I added another 2GB of RAM & installed 64-bit Win7? I would I need to go to 6 or 8GB to see any improvement?
On paper, 32-bit requires 2 GB and 64-bit only requires 3 GB, so you'd come out ahead, but considering more and more basic programs are becoming more and more bloated, and considering how inexpensive RAM is nowadays, I'd push for 6 or 8 before making the switch.
Cool. I'll have to check to see how much RAM that cheapo motherboard supports. Might be stuck with 32-bit no matter what I want to do.
Win 7 is probably the best OS I have had (I started with 95)
Quote from: I Killed Kenny on October 28, 2009, 03:36:37 PM
Win 7 is probably the best OS I have had (I started with 95)
Kids these days... :rolleyes:
I started with (and I had to look this up) ProDOS, the OS for the Apple II.
I went to public school, so I started with computers that had to start with DOS 3.1 floppy. Beat that.
Quote from: DGuller on October 28, 2009, 05:35:27 PM
I went to public school, so I started with computers that had to start with DOS 3.1 floppy. Beat that.
TRS-80. 1 computer. Not per classroom.
That's too old, that doesn't count.
Well, that hurts.
Quote from: DGuller on October 28, 2009, 05:35:27 PM
I went to public school, so I started with computers that had to start with DOS 3.1 floppy. Beat that.
That's the same era as ProDOS, which also had to boot off of a 5.25" floppy.
Beeb, you'll be pleased to know my first computer ever was an Apple IIc.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on October 28, 2009, 06:51:16 PM
Beeb, you'll be pleased to know my first computer ever was an Apple IIc.
:hug:
I saw an original Macintosh with my own eyes on my 7th grade art teacher's desk.
First OS was Commodore BASIC 2.0. :cool:
First OS for me was Windows 3.0 on a 386.
Quote from: DontSayBanana on October 28, 2009, 09:29:53 PM
First OS for me was Windows 3.0 on a 386.
Windows 3.0 wasn't an OS, it was a DOS program.
Actually, it was neither; it was a DOS shell. :nerd:
I choose to view it as an OS because I rarely, if ever, ran the computer from DOS instead of the GUI in Windows. Of course, I spent most of that time playing with paintbox or a trajectory game where you had to shoot bananas from a cannon at King Kong.
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 28, 2009, 05:41:24 PM
Quote from: DGuller on October 28, 2009, 05:35:27 PM
I went to public school, so I started with computers that had to start with DOS 3.1 floppy. Beat that.
TRS-80. 1 computer. Not per classroom.
My elementary school had a couple of those. Good times.
I will say though that the first Windows PC I owned ran Win98. First Windows PC I used regularly for work ran Win95. Before that it was pretty much just my C-64 and Atari 1200XL.
Sinclair Spectrum+ , 48 mighty Kilobytes at your orders (original Spectrum had only 16) :P
First 'real' computer, Amstrad PC1512 running DOS 3.3. My friends envied me because my PC had two 5.25" floppys.
First OS was Workbench 3.1 or 3.2.
Damn good OS that was, a shame that the computer had no hard drive so I only started it up sometimes when I was really bored.
So, I got Win 7 Home Premium yesterday and proceeded to upgrade one of my computer.
It took over 2hrs to perform the upgrade.
Gone is the classic Start Menu... Shame. I liked that.
Gone is the classic Control Panel, replaced that horrible thing used under Vista by default. Hate that.
However, it seems to run faster and the interface is less cluttered than on Vista. The tray icons on the right is replaced by a single button from wich you can then see all your icons. I like that.
Haven't played any game yet, so I don't know, really.
First PC I had was a Philips MSX. It had a special version of DOS: MSX-DOS
Quote from: DontSayBanana on October 28, 2009, 07:17:46 AM
On paper, 32-bit requires 2 GB and 64-bit only requires 3 GB, so you'd come out ahead, but considering more and more basic programs are becoming more and more bloated, and considering how inexpensive RAM is nowadays, I'd push for 6 or 8 before making the switch.
Just checked the mobo's manual, and as it turns out, it only supports up to 2GB of RAM :lol: I did say it was a cheapo...
I *could* replace the mobo, add RAM, etc., but I'll leave it as is. It runs at least as good on Win7 as it did Vista, and does what I need it to do.
What I may end up eventually doing is "retiring" that box from frontline service & installing Windows Home Server on it.
Quote from: viper37 on October 29, 2009, 08:54:22 AM
Gone is the classic Control Panel, replaced that horrible thing used under Vista by default. Hate that.
What happens when you click on "All Control Panel Items" ?
Edit: Another way people are saying is if you change it to one of the icon views? :huh:
They should have just left the option on the left like in Vista.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on October 29, 2009, 01:49:09 PM
Quote from: viper37 on October 29, 2009, 08:54:22 AM
Gone is the classic Control Panel, replaced that horrible thing used under Vista by default. Hate that.
What happens when you click on "All Control Panel Items" ?
I haven't seen that as an option anywhere.
It's not exactly Vista's Control Panel either, it's better. I hate that I can't use the classic one but it's much better then Vista's or XP's control panels.
Oh Small Icons, yeah, I guess that's the closer we'll get.
Quote from: Grey Fox on October 29, 2009, 01:53:23 PM
I haven't seen that as an option anywhere.
It's not exactly Vista's Control Panel either, it's better. I hate that I can't use the classic one but it's much better then Vista's or XP's control panels.
Click on the little arrow to the right of "Control Panel" in the address bar. Might be in there.
Edit: Although since you're saying it's good, it's probably just something we'll ("we" being people who don't like the non classic look) get used to and eventually like.
Yeah, I need time to get used to it, I suppose.
Before I upgraded, I had ~70 gigs free on the HD. After the upgrade, 80. And now after using it for a week, 2 more gigs freed themselves. :lol:
Quote from: Barrister on October 28, 2009, 06:21:04 PM
Quote from: DGuller on October 28, 2009, 05:35:27 PM
I went to public school, so I started with computers that had to start with DOS 3.1 floppy. Beat that.
That's the same era as ProDOS, which also had to boot off of a 5.25" floppy.
Pfft, floppies.
Tape drive FTW.
Quote from: Berkut on October 30, 2009, 10:20:23 AM
Tape drive FTW.
Yeah, that was pure goodness. Nothing like waiting 30 minutes for Zaxxon to load on my Atari computer, only to see it error out right at the end.
Quote from: derspiess on October 30, 2009, 12:23:40 PM
Quote from: Berkut on October 30, 2009, 10:20:23 AM
Tape drive FTW.
Yeah, that was pure goodness. Nothing like waiting 30 minutes for Zaxxon to load on my Atari computer, only to see it error out right at the end.
Or typing a program into the machine and the fucker wouldn't save to cassette.
Quote from: Berkut on October 30, 2009, 10:20:23 AM
Pfft, floppies.
Tape drive FTW.
Pfft, cassette tapes.
Paper tapes FTW.
It's only a matter of time before someone brings up punchcards.
Quote from: Barrister on October 30, 2009, 01:44:21 PM
It's only a matter of time before someone brings up punchcards.
punchcards!
Quote from: derspiess on October 30, 2009, 12:23:40 PM
Yeah, that was pure goodness. Nothing like waiting 30 minutes for Zaxxon to load on my Atari computer, only to see it error out right at the end.
I used to go through that with Wasteland on the C64. I would sit there rocking back and forth in my chair, fingers crossed, chanting "please load please load please load please load" under my breath. :blush:
Quote from: Barrister on October 30, 2009, 01:44:21 PM
It's only a matter of time before someone brings up punchcards.
Pft, punchcards.
Clockwork FTW.
Quote from: Barrister on October 30, 2009, 01:44:21 PM
It's only a matter of time before someone brings up punchcards.
Well, I didn't work with punchcards (tough some people still did) but I did train with them
circa 1980-81. Back in 1982-83 the department I started working for used quite outdated tech, we still worked on paper printouts and used teletypes. And let me tell you, the Good Old Days weren't good at all, forget the theorem of G.O.D.
Punchcards, teletypes, paper printouts... were a royal pain in the ass!
Quote from: Neil on October 30, 2009, 07:14:32 PM
Quote from: Barrister on October 30, 2009, 01:44:21 PM
It's only a matter of time before someone brings up punchcards.
Pft, punchcards.
Clockwork FTW.
"I once had to program a database with nothing but 1s and 0s!"
"0s? You had 0s?"
Sams Club is offering 3 pack of Windows Home Premium upgrades for $114.99. Is it worth it to forego Ultimate for my gaming computer, to get Home Premium on my home, work, and wife's computers?
Why would you need Ultimate for a gaming PC? I don't think any of the Ultimate-specific features are related to gaming capabilities, are they? IIRC it's all backup, security, and multiple languages shit.
There is no backup in non-Ultimate versions?
Quote from: DGuller on November 03, 2009, 04:25:28 PM
There is no backup in non-Ultimate versions?
I think it's better backup or something, I dunno. Or maybe you can only do encrypted backups or some shit like that.
I think it is about the Bitlocker crap. Screw that shit yo.
So, verdict?
Survey says "no", but here you go so you can make an informed decision:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Vista_Ultimate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Vista_Ultimate)
MS probably has similar comparative charts but I would guess is more likely to color things so it looks like you need it.
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on November 03, 2009, 04:50:07 PM
I think it is about the Bitlocker crap. Screw that shit yo.
Bitlocker and file encryption. Home Premium doesn't run "XP Mode," so I'll have to see how it handles some of my older games. Home Basic is the only one that strips graphics capability, and that's only available in "developing markets," not the US.
Quote from: DontSayBanana on November 04, 2009, 12:20:16 AM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on November 03, 2009, 04:50:07 PM
I think it is about the Bitlocker crap. Screw that shit yo.
Bitlocker and file encryption. Home Premium doesn't run "XP Mode," so I'll have to see how it handles some of my older games. Home Basic is the only one that strips graphics capability, and that's only available in "developing markets," not the US.
I read somewhere that "XP Mode" doesn't work for games... :unsure:
Quote from: Barrister on November 04, 2009, 01:08:10 AM
I read somewhere that "XP Mode" doesn't work for games... :unsure:
I believe it's meant for homebrew "productivity apps," typically built in C++ or Visual Basic, that require runtimes; some game developers in the XP and just-pre-XP eras used a lot of sloppy coding that worked in a similar manner. I have a feeling games requiring MSCRT.DLL are going to need to be run in XP mode. Again, at this time, I'm just speculating while I'm waiting on my copy of 7 (which shipped yesterday :yeah:) before I give you any real definite answers.
Well, I finally got 7 in and installed. Not noticing any really earth-shattering changes as of yet, although I can confirm even with a straight upgrade and leaving all the bloated installs I've put in over a couple months, 7 runs a lot more quickly and smoothly than Vista.
OMFG this is great. I finally got my network printer installed on my home computer, thanks to Win7. I could never get Vista to understand that I wanted it to print to my network printer, even after I installed it as the printer on my computer. Win7 just did the shit by itself, in four minutes, from start to finish. This is something I have spent about fifteen man hours trying to get Vista to do.
FUCK YOU VISTA, YOU BITCH! YOU BROKE MY HEART!