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Title: NFL 2017
Post by: jimmy olsen on March 09, 2017, 08:34:26 PM
I just laughed when I saw this headline, but it turns out that even the Browns aren't that dumb. This was  really just a trade for a 2nd round pick.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000791937/article/browns-acquire-brock-osweiler-2018-pick-from-texans


QuoteBrowns acquire Brock Osweiler, 2018 pick from Texans

The Houston Texans found a creative way to get Brock Osweiler and his $16 million guaranteed salary off the books. They decided to give him away to the Cleveland Browns, with a second-round pick as a sweetener.

Osweiler is headed to Cleveland -- at least for now -- in a deal that will send a 2018 second-round pick to the Browns, the team announced. Cleveland is also sending its 2017 compensatory fourth-round pick to the Texans for their 2017 sixth-round pick, but the Browns are essentially paying cash and cap space in exchange for the second-rounder.

The most amazing part of this amazing deal: Osweiler may not remain with the Browns for long. NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport reports that the Browns will try to trade Osweiler and see what comes of it, but could eventually release him. Rapoport also reports that the Browns will release Robert Griffin III, which would leave the team with only Osweiler, Cody Kessler and Kevin Hogan at quarterback. Rapoport reports that the Browns are expected to "make a run" at acquiring Patriots backup quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo as the NFL Draft approaches.

The Texans, meanwhile, save $16 million in cash and $10 million in cap space that they can potentially use on signing a new quarterback like, say, Tony Romo. Rapoport reports that the Texans will not trade for Romo, who has yet to be released by the Cowboys. NFL Network's James Palmer reported earlier Thursday the Broncos "do not see" a trade happening for Romo, so that particular quarterback conundrum remains in limbo.

The same is true for Osweiler's career, the result of a trade which could augur a new era of trades in the NFL. The Browns had so much cap space that they essentially used it to buy a draft pick. The Texans were allowed to move on from one of the biggest free agent mistakes in NFL history and start over at the quarterback position. It's reminiscent of trades that often happen in the NBA, where teams deal disastrous contracts. This deal looks like a win-win for both sides, with the only real losers being Osweiler's ego and Browns owner Jimmy Haslam's bank account. The Browns now have eight picks combined in the first two rounds of the 2017 and 2018 drafts.

"We're really excited to acquire a second round draft choice in this trade," said Browns VP Sashi Brown. "Draft picks are extremely important to our approach in building a championship caliber football team. We are intent on adding competition to every position on our roster and look forward to having Brock come in and compete."

Texans coach Bill O'Brien clearly had no further use for Osweiler and general manager Rick Smith was at least willing to admit his costly mistake quickly. Osweiler wound up costing $16 million and a second-round pick just to play significantly worse in 2016 than Brian Hoyer did for the Texans the season before. The Texans have only Tom Savage and Brandon Weeden on the quarterback depth chart, although this extra cap space and roster spot puts them squarely back in the market for one.

The Browns should still have plenty of cap space, even after spending big money to shore up their impressive offensive line. There's no telling where the Browns will go at quarterback and even a trade this clever could be tough to swallow if they suffer another 1-15 season. Brown and chief strategy officer Paul DePodesta came to Cleveland promising a different way of doing things in the NFL. This trade was definitely different.
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Barrister on March 09, 2017, 09:51:04 PM
You actually see trades like that in the NHL fairly frequently.  It's a league with a hard cap and guaranteed salaries, so a guy with a bad contract have a kind of negative trade value.  But if you load up some other assets, maybe you can convince another team to take them all in exchange for nothing.

Heck, you sometimes see trades involving players who are injured and likely never to return - just so one team can get them off their books.
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Sophie Scholl on March 10, 2017, 10:28:03 PM
I'm a big fan of the moves the Browns have made so far.  They're following a very similar rebuilding plan to what the Raiders did in terms of free agent signings.  I do wish they would have kept Pryor though.
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on March 10, 2017, 10:38:27 PM
lol

Anyway, it's a pretty good deal for both sides.  The Browns get a pick next year that they can try to trade for someone  (Jimmy G heh), the Texans offload the last year of Osweiler's guaranteed cap hit so they can get Romo or Cutler or someone.  Plus the Browns actually need to spend money with the minimum spending rule that is apparently coming up.

E: Apparently Cutler is not a popular option here, but, uh, he can fall down and not miss 8 games.  I'm just saying.
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Alcibiades on March 10, 2017, 11:58:29 PM
Think hes spent the last 2 or 3 seasons injured or at least in and out so....
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on March 11, 2017, 12:36:15 PM
Quote from: Alcibiades on March 10, 2017, 11:58:29 PM
Think hes spent the last 2 or 3 seasons injured or at least in and out so....

Cutler?  Last year he only played in 5 games, then 15 each the previous two.  Not perfectly ideal, since some of those might not be full games and all that, but Romo played in 1 game total last year, 4 the previous year, then 15 in 2014.  That's not good. 

Even crippled (possibly dead and just laying on the field), either of them are better than Osweiler, but Cutler appears to be able to actually get into more games.  Shit happens though so maybe Romo's last couple years were fluke-ish.  Outside of the injury issues, Romo would probably be the better choice. 

E:  I don't know why I'm even talking about these guys though.  Rick Smith will go and get The Rosencopter or someone instead.  E2:  Who, to be fair, is probably still better than Osweiler, even when attempting to fly.
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: dps on March 11, 2017, 05:42:00 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on March 11, 2017, 12:36:15 PM
Quote from: Alcibiades on March 10, 2017, 11:58:29 PM
Think hes spent the last 2 or 3 seasons injured or at least in and out so....

Cutler?  Last year he only played in 5 games, then 15 each the previous two.  Not perfectly ideal, since some of those might not be full games and all that, but Romo played in 1 game total last year, 4 the previous year, then 15 in 2014.  That's not good. 

Even crippled (possibly dead and just laying on the field), either of them are better than Osweiler, but Cutler appears to be able to actually get into more games.  Shit happens though so maybe Romo's last couple years were fluke-ish.  Outside of the injury issues, Romo would probably be the better choice. 

E:  I don't know why I'm even talking about these guys though.  Rick Smith will go and get The Rosencopter or someone instead.  E2:  Who, to be fair, is probably still better than Osweiler, even when attempting to fly.

The thing is, no QB who has any say in the matter and any other options isn't going to want to go to Cleveland, so Osweiler  might be their best option--at the very least, he's a better option than keeping RG3 would've been.  Cousins has all the leverage with the Redskins;  he's not going anywhere unless it's to a good team, so he's out.  Romo is going to want to go to a contender as well, and I think Jerry Jones wants to accommodate him on that or release him it the Cowboys can't work out a trade.  Either way, I think Romo might well retire instead of going to a bad team like Cleveland.  (Frankly, if I was in charge of a team, I'd be very reluctant to take Romo because of his age and injury history.)  Cutler is also going to want to sign with a contender, but he might sign with a bad team if no good teams have any interest in him, so I guess he's a possibility.  Garroppolo is a possibility as well--I agree that the Pats will trade him for the right price, despite what they say--but I think the price for him is going to be more than anyone should pay;  if he goes anywhere, it'll be in a Herchel Walker-type ripoff deal.  Of course, the Browns are probably stupid enough to be on the short end of a deal like that. 

Osweiler is better than anybody else who is available or likely to be available (Kaepernick, etc.).
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on March 11, 2017, 05:59:50 PM
I'm talking about Houston for those two QBs (Rick Smith is the Houston GM).  Romo and Cutler aren't going to Cleveland.

E:  The intertrons are talking about Cutler possibly going to the Jets, but Romo can apparently pick between Houston and Denver (and retirement), so the loser of that little deal could potentially look to throw some bucks in Cutler's direction.
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Sophie Scholl on March 11, 2017, 10:29:06 PM
With the offensive line the Browns are putting together and their plethora of young talent, they're a far better option than they were last year or for years and years prior to that for quarterbacks.  I think the idea that the Browns are the worst, saddest, most pathetic franchise is going to change soon.  Feel free to make a marker to taunt me about this in a few years or acknowledge I was right.  Hahaha
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on March 12, 2017, 12:02:27 AM
Quote from: Benedict Arnold on March 11, 2017, 10:29:06 PM
With the offensive line the Browns are putting together and their plethora of young talent, they're a far better option than they were last year or for years and years prior to that for quarterbacks.  I think the idea that the Browns are the worst, saddest, most pathetic franchise is going to change soon.  Feel free to make a marker to taunt me about this in a few years or acknowledge I was right.  Hahaha

I'm okay with that as long as they star routinely beating Pittsburgh.  That would be juuuuust fine.
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Tonitrus on March 27, 2017, 03:00:39 PM
Vegas Raiders.  :yuk:
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: MadImmortalMan on March 27, 2017, 03:06:02 PM
Quote from: Tonitrus on March 27, 2017, 03:00:39 PM
Vegas Raiders.  :yuk:


"Oh, that'll never happen..."


:P

I hope they at least change the name. You know, Modell rather than Irsay.
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: CountDeMoney on March 27, 2017, 03:32:16 PM
Dumbass league.  Leave a founding AFL city, but put TWO teams in Los NobodyGivesAShit Angeles.

Same thing'll happen in Vegas.  Too transient with too much other stuff to do, and the locals are nothing but service industry.  Dumb move.
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: CountDeMoney on March 27, 2017, 03:34:57 PM
And props to the Miami Dolphins for voting No.
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Tonitrus on March 27, 2017, 04:19:45 PM
I am disappointed in my Seahawks not voting against either.  Especially our history with a flaky Californian owner who tried to move the team out of town.
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: dps on March 27, 2017, 04:43:26 PM
So, apparently Cam Newton is going to have surgery on March 30 for a partially torn rotator cuff that he hurt in the 14th game last season.  He and the team had hoped that rest would fix it and surgery wouldn't be necessary, but he wasn't progressing the way he should have.  All well and good, but if he hurt his shoulder in game 14 with the Panthers already out of the playoffs, why on earth did they play him in games 15 and 16?
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Sophie Scholl on March 28, 2017, 06:13:07 PM
Very, very unhappy with the Raiders move. :bleeding:
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Admiral Yi on March 28, 2017, 06:27:26 PM
I expect the cheerleaders to be spectacular.
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Sophie Scholl on March 28, 2017, 06:48:24 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 28, 2017, 06:27:26 PM
I expect the cheerleaders to be spectacular.
Ok, so there is one plus.
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: CountDeMoney on March 28, 2017, 06:55:24 PM
Quote from: Benedict Arnold on March 28, 2017, 06:13:07 PM
Very, very unhappy with the Raiders move. :bleeding:

Buck up, lil' camper.  I expect them to be back in Oakland inside 10 years.
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Sophie Scholl on March 28, 2017, 07:00:32 PM
"Let's leave an up and coming market with a very devoted fanbase for a stagnant market filled with service industry workers and temporary visitors!"  Idiots.  Always trying to follow the dollar.  I'm sorely tempted to move the Browns into the top slot of my NFL fandom.
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: CountDeMoney on March 28, 2017, 07:01:55 PM
Quote from: Benedict Arnold on March 28, 2017, 07:00:32 PM
I'm sorely tempted to move the Browns into the top slot of my NFL fandom.

:bleeding:

"I'm tired of slamming my hand in the car door.  Let's try my dick!"
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Sophie Scholl on March 28, 2017, 07:25:49 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 28, 2017, 07:01:55 PM
Quote from: Benedict Arnold on March 28, 2017, 07:00:32 PM
I'm sorely tempted to move the Browns into the top slot of my NFL fandom.

:bleeding:

"I'm tired of slamming my hand in the car door.  Let's try my dick!"
:lol:  I actually really like the moves they've made of late.  They needed a total demolition and rebuild to be a competitive team.  The Raiders did pretty much the same thing and it has worked out pretty well for them.  Better than something like the Bills keep doing with just layering on band-aids to a patient who is bleeding out.  They'll be out of the playoffs for another 17 years with their management philosophy.
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: derspiess on March 28, 2017, 07:58:12 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 28, 2017, 06:55:24 PM
Quote from: Benedict Arnold on March 28, 2017, 06:13:07 PM
Very, very unhappy with the Raiders move. :bleeding:

Buck up, lil' camper.  I expect them to be back in Oakland inside 10 years.

That was my first thought.
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: CountDeMoney on March 28, 2017, 07:59:37 PM
Quote from: derspiess on March 28, 2017, 07:58:12 PM
That was my first thought.

And FWIW I think the Chargers will eventually be back in San Diego.
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Valmy on March 29, 2017, 10:15:35 AM
It is just the NFL burning bridges. For all their fanaticism to maintain the image of the league they sure let the owners alienate their fanbases.

The league is already pretty boring. Them allowing the Chargers and Raiders to do this shit does not help my interest.
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: CountDeMoney on March 29, 2017, 10:38:20 AM
It's their fascination with TV markets in a profit-sharing plan.
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: derspiess on March 29, 2017, 10:42:30 AM
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Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: CountDeMoney on March 29, 2017, 11:41:22 AM
 :lol: It's Chucky, Special Education version.
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Barrister on March 29, 2017, 01:16:02 PM
Quote from: Valmy on March 29, 2017, 10:15:35 AM
It is just the NFL burning bridges. For all their fanaticism to maintain the image of the league they sure let the owners alienate their fanbases.

The league is already pretty boring. Them allowing the Chargers and Raiders to do this shit does not help my interest.

But that's it - they don't burn bridges.  Look at how Oakland welcomed back the Raiders after they left, and at how LA welcomed back the Rams after they left.  They do this shit because they know they can get away with it.

Reading plans for the LV Stadium - it's going to cost almost $2 billion dollars, all publicly financed.  The most expensive stadium in the league, one of the most expensive stadiums in any sport across the world.  All in a metro area that ranks 29th in size in the US.

It's insane.  The Raiders aren't going to leave in 10 years though - it's a 30 year lease.  Unless of course they can pull out a technicality like the Rams did in St Louis.  And since the Raiders have never played 30 years in a single location, you kind of think they will find something...
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Admiral Yi on March 29, 2017, 04:09:18 PM
Where are the Chargers going?

The LV move could make sense if they can pull in tourists.  Probably the only way it makes sense.
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on March 29, 2017, 04:10:51 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 29, 2017, 04:09:18 PM
Where are the Chargers going?

San Diego after they leave LA.
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Valmy on March 29, 2017, 06:13:34 PM
Quote from: Barrister on March 29, 2017, 01:16:02 PM

But that's it - they don't burn bridges.

We'll see.
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: MadImmortalMan on March 29, 2017, 07:43:43 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 29, 2017, 04:09:18 PM
The LV move could make sense if they can pull in tourists.  Probably the only way it makes sense.

Fans of other teams having a Vegas weekend so they can watch their team play the Raiders.

That I can see. Still, it means lots of away team fans nullifying the home field advantage.
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: CountDeMoney on March 29, 2017, 07:44:39 PM
Tourists don't buy PSLs.
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Admiral Yi on March 29, 2017, 07:57:40 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on March 29, 2017, 07:43:43 PM
Fans of other teams having a Vegas weekend so they can watch their team play the Raiders.

That I can see. Still, it means lots of away team fans nullifying the home field advantage.

Doesn't even have to be ball fans.  Folks go to Vegas so they can Do Stuff and See Stuff.  Market it as just another Vegas attraction, but even better!  Upsell them on Authentic Raiders Fan Apparell and Outrageous Black and Silver Barbarian Outfits so they can get the full experience!
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: CountDeMoney on March 29, 2017, 08:05:28 PM
They go to Vegas to blow the mortgage payment on the game at the MGM Grand's Sports Book, not at the game.
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Barrister on March 29, 2017, 10:51:30 PM
For What Its Worth, the Vegas Golden Knights have been adamant that they want to market to locals and develop a local fan base, and not just have ticket comped to casino high rollers or whatever.

I mean, we'll see.  But they're pretty adamant on that point.
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: jimmy olsen on March 29, 2017, 11:43:43 PM
Quote from: Barrister on March 29, 2017, 10:51:30 PM
For What Its Worth, the Vegas Golden Knights have been adamant that they want to market to locals and develop a local fan base, and not just have ticket comped to casino high rollers or whatever.

I mean, we'll see.  But they're pretty adamant on that point.

Basketball would make a lot more sense than hockey for Vegas.
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Barrister on March 30, 2017, 12:07:28 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 29, 2017, 11:43:43 PM
Quote from: Barrister on March 29, 2017, 10:51:30 PM
For What Its Worth, the Vegas Golden Knights have been adamant that they want to market to locals and develop a local fan base, and not just have ticket comped to casino high rollers or whatever.

I mean, we'll see.  But they're pretty adamant on that point.

Basketball would make a lot more sense than hockey for Vegas.

Yet the NHL Vegas Golden Knights start playing in October 2017. :mellow:
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Tonitrus on March 30, 2017, 12:19:14 AM
QuoteSeahawks rule 2.0: NFL bans leaping over line to block kicks
By Stephen Cohen Updated 12:34 pm, Tuesday, March 28, 2017

When the NFL announced a new focus on enforcing illegal defensive contact ahead of the 2014 season, it was seen as a response to Seattle's physical -- some might say too physical -- play in the defensive backfield, which made it no surprise that many chose to refer to the point of emphasis as the "Seahawks rule."

At the NFL's annual meetings in Arizona on Tuesday, the league passed what we'll call "Seahawks rule 2.0," which outlaws players from running forward to leap over the line of scrimmage in an attempt to block an opponents' kick.

The play gained recent notoriety after Seattle safety Kam Chancellor twice leaped over the Carolina line in order to try to block a field goal attempt just before halftime in Seattle's divisional round win over the Panthers in January 2015. Last year middle linebacker Bobby Wagner soared over the line to block a field goal attempt from Arizona's Chandler Catanzaro in an eventual 6-6 tie on Oct. 23, much to the chagrin of Cardinals head coach Bruce Arians.

The days of watching players soar majestically over the line are now over after Thursday's vote, which stipulates that an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty be assessed for a player "running forward and leaping in an obvious attempt to block a field goal or try kick (extra point), unless the leaping player was originally lined up on the line of scrimmage when the ball was snapped."

The Seahawks displayed their displeasure with the new rule on social media:

The reason for the rule change -- which was submitted by the Philadelphia Eagles -- was player safety, which is also why the change was backed by the NFL Players Association, but there have been no specific injuries cited from the type of play.

The league also issued a point of emphasis on ejecting and suspending players for egregious blows to the head of an opponent and passed several other minor rule changes, including:

- Making permanent the rule that disqualifies a player who is penalized twice in one game for certain types of unsportsmanlike conduct fouls.

- Changing the spot of the next snap after a touchback resulting from a free kick to the 25-yard line (for one year only).

- Giving a receiver running a pass route defenseless player protection.

- Making crackback blocks prohibited by a backfield player who is in motion, even if he is not more than two yards outside the tackle when the ball is snapped.

- Replacing the sideline replay monitor with a handheld device and authorizing designated members of the officiating department to make the final decision on replay reviews.

- Making it unsportsmanlike conduct to commit multiple fouls during the same down designed to manipulate the game clock.

- Making actions to conserve time illegal after the two-minute warning of either half.
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: jimmy olsen on March 30, 2017, 12:30:34 AM
Quote from: Barrister on March 30, 2017, 12:07:28 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 29, 2017, 11:43:43 PM
Quote from: Barrister on March 29, 2017, 10:51:30 PM
For What Its Worth, the Vegas Golden Knights have been adamant that they want to market to locals and develop a local fan base, and not just have ticket comped to casino high rollers or whatever.

I mean, we'll see.  But they're pretty adamant on that point.

Basketball would make a lot more sense than hockey for Vegas.

Yet the NHL Vegas Golden Knights start playing in October 2017. :mellow:

The NHL has always been all in on ridiculous expansion in warm weather cities. This is not new.
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Tonitrus on March 30, 2017, 12:33:13 AM
Quote from: Barrister on March 30, 2017, 12:07:28 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 29, 2017, 11:43:43 PM
Quote from: Barrister on March 29, 2017, 10:51:30 PM
For What Its Worth, the Vegas Golden Knights have been adamant that they want to market to locals and develop a local fan base, and not just have ticket comped to casino high rollers or whatever.

I mean, we'll see.  But they're pretty adamant on that point.

Basketball would make a lot more sense than hockey for Vegas.

Yet the NHL Vegas Golden Knights start playing in October 2017. :mellow:

They should be more ashamed of that name.
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: CountDeMoney on March 30, 2017, 05:44:20 AM
Quote from: Tonitrus on March 30, 2017, 12:33:13 AM
Quote from: Barrister on March 30, 2017, 12:07:28 AM
Yet the NHL Vegas Golden Knights start playing in October 2017. :mellow:

They should be more ashamed of that name.

Yeah, Vegas Midshipmen would've been better.
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: MadImmortalMan on March 30, 2017, 04:17:35 PM
Our baseball team in Reno (Diamondbacks AAA) is called the Aces. That's how you do it.

Vegas needs a Vegas name. Golden Knights is stupid and Raiders is used up. They need something else.
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Admiral Yi on March 30, 2017, 04:29:32 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on March 30, 2017, 04:17:35 PM
Our baseball team in Reno (Diamondbacks AAA) is called the Aces. That's how you do it.

Vegas needs a Vegas name. Golden Knights is stupid and Raiders is used up. They need something else.

I imagine Big Football was leery of too close an association with gambling.
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Barrister on March 30, 2017, 04:42:10 PM
Quote from: Tonitrus on March 30, 2017, 12:33:13 AM
Quote from: Barrister on March 30, 2017, 12:07:28 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 29, 2017, 11:43:43 PM
Quote from: Barrister on March 29, 2017, 10:51:30 PM
For What Its Worth, the Vegas Golden Knights have been adamant that they want to market to locals and develop a local fan base, and not just have ticket comped to casino high rollers or whatever.

I mean, we'll see.  But they're pretty adamant on that point.

Basketball would make a lot more sense than hockey for Vegas.

Yet the NHL Vegas Golden Knights start playing in October 2017. :mellow:

They should be more ashamed of that name.

Their logo is pretty cool though.

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Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Admiral Yi on March 30, 2017, 04:44:11 PM
That's a hoplite helmet. :bleeding:
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: MadImmortalMan on March 30, 2017, 04:45:54 PM
Yeah, and USC's mascot swings around a gladius, even though they're supposed to be Trojans.  :P
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Tonitrus on March 30, 2017, 04:46:17 PM
It's almost like an NFL Europe team.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fc/Barcelona_Dragons_helmet.png)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/02/Cologne_Centurions_helmet.png)
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: jimmy olsen on April 03, 2017, 05:22:43 AM
Don't like that new rule against jumping the line to block kicks.

And I don't like this either.
http://www.espn.com/blog/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4802288/after-drink-is-thrown-at-him-rob-gronkowski-enters-ring-at-wrestlemania-33
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: alfred russel on April 03, 2017, 07:50:10 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 03, 2017, 05:22:43 AM
And I don't like this either.
http://www.espn.com/blog/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4802288/after-drink-is-thrown-at-him-rob-gronkowski-enters-ring-at-wrestlemania-33

Gronk is out of control. I get being upset that a drink was thrown at him, but that doesn't give him the right to enter the ring and attack a guy. Goodell should suspend him a couple games, I think.
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Ed Anger on April 03, 2017, 02:45:26 PM
(https://m.popkey.co/dbbfe4/q03EG.gif)
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on April 04, 2017, 10:52:45 AM
Romo is retiring to replace Phil Simms at CBS.  Probably a good idea for him.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000797371/article/cowboys-tony-romo-set-to-retire?campaign=tw-nf-sf67854004-sf67854004&utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral

Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: derspiess on April 04, 2017, 11:25:01 AM
He can't possibly be any worse than Simms :bleeding:

Now if someone else would please retire and replace Dan Fouts.
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: alfred russel on April 04, 2017, 11:59:28 AM
Quote from: derspiess on April 04, 2017, 11:25:01 AM
He can't possibly be any worse than Simms :bleeding:

Now if someone else would please retire and replace Dan Fouts.

Ray Lewis has already retired.
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: CountDeMoney on April 04, 2017, 06:58:40 PM
Quote from: derspiess on April 04, 2017, 11:25:01 AM
He can't possibly be any worse than Simms :bleeding:

"And I asked him, and he goes...and then I go...and he goes..."

Ugh.  Goodbye Phil.

QuoteNow if someone else would please retire and replace Dan Fouts.

Sure.  Let's go with cloning Rich Gannon.
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: CountDeMoney on April 04, 2017, 07:01:17 PM
Holy shit, I never saw Mrs. Romo's wedding party portrait before... :huh:

(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.culturemap.com%2Fcrop%2F1c%2F7f%2F633x475%2FTony_Romo_Candice_Crawford_wedding_bridesmaids.jpg&hash=b806ef8238b5de1923dc5ca63ead984da0d00f1e)


According to hair color.  That's shit Ed would pull.
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Ed Anger on April 04, 2017, 07:02:51 PM
I'd have  half of them pregnant.
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: CountDeMoney on April 04, 2017, 07:06:12 PM
No shit.


(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51qGdkpYGDL._SY445_QL70_.jpg)
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Ed Anger on April 04, 2017, 07:07:38 PM
BRB
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: CountDeMoney on April 13, 2017, 06:08:03 PM
Steelers Chairman Dan Rooney, an N.F.L. Force and Link to Football's Past, Dies at 84; Prince of Darkness Bilichick Extends Reach (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/13/sports/football/dan-rooney-dead.html)
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on April 15, 2017, 12:53:37 AM
Todd Heap accidentally killed his daughter while moving his truck.  Just awful.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/19161911/todd-heap-accidentally-hits-kills-3-year-old-daughter-moving-truck
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: CountDeMoney on April 15, 2017, 09:23:23 AM
The Heaps lived a few blocks away from me when they were in town, saw them often.  That whole family moved as a unit.  So horrible.
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: dps on April 15, 2017, 12:14:27 PM
Accidentally killing your own child would have to be about the worst thing that could ever happen to a person.
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: jimmy olsen on April 17, 2017, 10:29:47 PM
Pats have a ton of cap space this offseason. :)

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/england-patriots-sign-more-free-212211673.html
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Berkut on April 18, 2017, 11:28:14 AM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on April 15, 2017, 12:53:37 AM
Todd Heap accidentally killed his daughter while moving his truck.  Just awful.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/19161911/todd-heap-accidentally-hits-kills-3-year-old-daughter-moving-truck

Jesus, that is horrible. That poor family.
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: derspiess on April 18, 2017, 10:56:59 PM
League decided against doing video on the Surface tablets this year.  Still haven't figured out a way to reliably push HD video out to 16 devices simultaneously without bottlenecks (it's a lot trickier than you might think).  So we're continuing with just still images.  Two or three years ago we thought paper pictures might be gone by now, but certain coaches have spoken up loudly enough that they are here to stay for the foreseeable future.
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: CountDeMoney on April 18, 2017, 11:08:52 PM
That's a shitload of video to push down the pipe.  I was thinking maybe live streaming could work, but how do you freeze frames, coaches' clicker, rotate views, etc?  Gotta be a wireless bandwidth nightmare.




At least black and white with zip lines, you're only worrying about the same shit they worried about in 1981:  wind and rain.  Old school is the best school when it comes to reliability.
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: derspiess on April 18, 2017, 11:21:42 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 18, 2017, 11:08:52 PM
That's a shitload of video to push down the pipe.  I was thinking maybe live streaming could work, but how do you freeze frames, coaches' clicker, rotate views, etc?  Gotta be a wireless bandwidth nightmare.

It sort of works if you hook the devices up via a USB ethernet adapter.  But then it becomes a logistical nightmare to move the tablets back and forth.  For wifi, sometimes it's a stretch just to get still images out to all the devices without much delay.  We figured that three NFL players-- sometimes just two-- can effectively block a wifi signal if they are standing between the tablet and the antenna.

QuoteAt least black and white with zip lines, you're only worrying about the same shit they worried about in 1981:  wind and rain.  Old school is the best school when it comes to reliability.

Yep.  I'm not aware of any team that has totally stopped using paper pictures on the sideline.  But several have stopped using them in the coaches booth-- we set up tablets on the countertop in front of them-- all hardwired and plugged into a constant power source, so no wifi or power issues.  Plus I guess that is where a lot of the younger, more tech-forward coaches tend to be.
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: jimmy olsen on April 19, 2017, 06:06:12 AM
Aaron died doing what he loved, killing people.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C9xOL16XsAE_XMI.jpg)
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Ed Anger on April 19, 2017, 08:15:17 AM
With that hang time, he could've been a punter
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: jimmy olsen on April 19, 2017, 08:52:05 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 19, 2017, 08:15:17 AM
With that hang time, he could've been a punter
Damn, and I thought I was being brutal.

I bow to the king. :worthy:
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: alfred russel on April 19, 2017, 09:12:30 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 19, 2017, 06:06:12 AM
Aaron died doing what he loved, killing people.


We are all a product of our environment. Hernandez played college ball with the Florida Gators, then he joined the Patriots. With influences such as those, I assume his parents must have been saints, because otherwise I would have expected him to kill a lot more people.
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: derspiess on April 19, 2017, 09:32:48 AM
If only he had been a part of the wholesome Miami program :(
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Valmy on April 19, 2017, 09:32:56 AM
What a tragic story. Man this thread has been a downer recently.
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Ed Anger on April 19, 2017, 08:14:43 PM
Quote10h
Fake SportsCenter‏ @FakeSportsCentr
Falcons: Best choke of the year

Aaron Hernandez: Hold my beer
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: CountDeMoney on April 19, 2017, 08:18:53 PM
QuoteTom Tebow‏ @IamEvilTebow 11h

Aaron Hernandez sure found a good excuse for getting out of meeting Trump at the White House today.
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on April 20, 2017, 09:28:15 PM
Schedules are out.  Houston's:

Jags
@Bengals (Thursday)
@Patriots
Titans
Chiefs
Browns
Bye
@Seahawks
Colts
@Rams
Cardinals
@Ravens (Monday)
@Titans
49ers
@Jags
Steelers (Monday)
@Colts

Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Ed Anger on April 20, 2017, 09:47:20 PM
Texans QB is: Rosencopter II:Electric Bugaloo
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on April 20, 2017, 09:49:02 PM
Please.  :rolleyes:  Tom Savage will get hurt way before he gets a chance to attempt flight.
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: jimmy olsen on April 20, 2017, 10:53:18 PM
Pats look like they have a pretty tough schedule, but you never know how it will turn out.

Fri, Sep 8 vs Chiefs  9:30 AM
Mon, Sep 18 @ Saints  2:00 AM
Mon, Sep 25 vs Texans  2:00 AM
Mon, Oct 2 vs Panthers 2:00 AM
Fri, Oct 6 @ Buccaneers 9:25 AM
Mon, Oct 16 @ Jets 2:00 AM
Mon, Oct 23 vs Falcons 9:30 AM
Mon, Oct 30 vs Chargers 2:00 AM
Mon, Nov 13 @ Broncos 10:30 AM
Mon, Nov 20 vs Raiders 6:25 AM
Mon, Nov 27 vs Dolphins 3:00 AM
Mon, Dec 4 @ Bills 3:00 AM
Mon Dec 11 @ Dolphins 8:30 pm
Sun Dec 17 @ Steelers  4:25 pm   
Sun Dec 24 vs Bills 1:00 pm
Sun Dec 31 vs Jets 1:00 pm
 
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on April 20, 2017, 11:24:31 PM
Quote from: Valmy on April 19, 2017, 09:32:56 AM
What a tragic story. Man this thread has been a downer recently.

Here's something for you, Val.  David Quessenberry broke the bell over at MD Anderson after completing chemo:

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/19157957/houston-texans-ol-david-quessenberry-breaks-victory-bell-chemo
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: grumbler on April 28, 2017, 03:56:42 PM
Interesting piece by Ryan Leaf (better for those who remember him than those who don't) at The Player's Tribune: https://www.theplayerstribune.com/ryan-leaf-nfl-letter-to-my-younger-self/ (https://www.theplayerstribune.com/ryan-leaf-nfl-letter-to-my-younger-self/)

Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Barrister on April 28, 2017, 04:09:51 PM
Quote from: grumbler on April 28, 2017, 03:56:42 PM
Interesting piece by Ryan Leaf (better for those who remember him than those who don't) at The Player's Tribune: https://www.theplayerstribune.com/ryan-leaf-nfl-letter-to-my-younger-self/ (https://www.theplayerstribune.com/ryan-leaf-nfl-letter-to-my-younger-self/)

Thanks for the link. :thumbsup:

I wonder to what extent those Players Tribune articles really are self-written, vs ghost-written, because they're usually all very well done.
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: grumbler on April 28, 2017, 06:26:41 PM
Quote from: Barrister on April 28, 2017, 04:09:51 PM
Thanks for the link. :thumbsup:

I wonder to what extent those Players Tribune articles really are self-written, vs ghost-written, because they're usually all very well done.
the stories are edited (some lightly, some moderately) but all the players I've seen comment on the system claim that it is their own authentic voice, with just error-correction (which I suspect includes vocabulary improvement). So: mostly authentic is my judgement.

There have been a number of Michigan football and basketball players who stories have been published (because the founder of the site, Derek Jeter, is a former wolverine and still hangs around the program on occasion), so I hear feedback from them on Michigan blogs.
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on April 29, 2017, 06:01:19 PM
Texans draft picks:

1- Deshaun Watson, QB, Clemson
2- Zach Cunningham, ILB, Vandy
3 - D'Onta Foreman, RB, Horns
4 - Julie'n Davenport, OT, Bucknell
4 - Carlos Watkins, DT, Clemson
5 - Treston Decoud, S, Oregon State
7 - Kyle Fuller, C, Baylor

The Watson and Watkins picks came from the two trades with the Browns.  No picks until the 3rd round next year.
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Liep on April 29, 2017, 07:17:20 PM
A Dane in the NFL!! :w00t:

Hasn't happened since Morten Andersen and it's not a kicker but an offensive lineman. Andreas Knappe signed for the falcons.
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Berkut on April 29, 2017, 09:05:37 PM
Quote from: grumbler on April 28, 2017, 03:56:42 PM
Interesting piece by Ryan Leaf (better for those who remember him than those who don't) at The Player's Tribune: https://www.theplayerstribune.com/ryan-leaf-nfl-letter-to-my-younger-self/ (https://www.theplayerstribune.com/ryan-leaf-nfl-letter-to-my-younger-self/)



That's cool.

I've always hated Leaf. When he was at WSU, it was fun to hate him because he was a punk. Super-man punk, but still a punk.

When he was all hyped up, I predicted that he would be a bust, because he doesn't fit in with what I am convinced is the mold for an excellent NFL QB, and I was right. So that made it even easier to despise the guy. And he sure made it easy.

Great article. I like an article that makes me re-evaluate something like that...
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: CountDeMoney on April 29, 2017, 09:17:18 PM
I would've drafted Leaf over Peyton Manning. Which is why I'm not a GM.  :lol:
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Berkut on April 29, 2017, 09:25:08 PM
I definitely would have taken Manning. Not even close, in fact.

I wouldn't have taken Leaf as the second QB in that draft, much less the 2nd overall.

I should be an NFL GM, clearly.
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: sbr on May 24, 2017, 07:31:53 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAl3DsoXgAAsD2T.jpg)
Title: Re: NFL 2017
Post by: Valmy on May 24, 2017, 07:34:27 PM
RIP Cortez :(