Still firing up EU2 every now again and enjoying it.
Anyone have EU3? Thoughts? :w00t:
EU3 is installed on my computer. :)
Quote from: Habsburg on April 03, 2009, 09:50:20 PM
Still firing up EU2 every now again and enjoying it.
Anyone have EU3? Thoughts? :w00t:
EU3 is only tolerable with the expansions. Personally, I'd stick with EU2.
It can be amusing with the latest Magna Mundi version.
It's enjoyable and can seem deeper than EUII with MM.
Quote from: Norgy on April 04, 2009, 09:23:41 AM
It can be amusing with the latest Magna Mundi version.
It's enjoyable and can seem deeper than EUII with MM.
I'd say that even without the mods (but with the expansions), it's deeper than EUII. Well, even without the expansions, it's probably deeper than EUII, but there are so many problems with the pre-expansion version I wouldn't recommend playing it that way.
Needs a supercomputer to play.
Not good.
Get both expansions at the very least and it is enjoyable...but man the game plays so slowly on my machine.
With both expansions I think it's very fun indeed :)
whack-a-mole with rebels/enemies is far too annoying for my taste :mad:
I prefer the SRI mod: http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=381384 (http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=381384)
Its a bit like Magna Mundi Light with an AI that actually wages war instead of getting stuff by events.
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 04, 2009, 01:16:34 PM
With both expansions I think it's very fun indeed :)
I got the pack with both expansions. What does NA do? I remembered someone saying In Nomine made it a totally new, much better game, but is there any reason to play with Napoleon at all?
Quote from: Lucidor on April 05, 2009, 02:14:28 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 04, 2009, 01:16:34 PM
With both expansions I think it's very fun indeed :)
I got the pack with both expansions. What does NA do? I remembered someone saying In Nomine made it a totally new, much better game, but is there any reason to play with Napoleon at all?
NA is a prerequisite for IN. Thats all.
Quote from: Tamas on April 05, 2009, 02:17:46 PM
NA is a prerequisite for IN. Thats all.
OK, I'll install it tuesday and see what it's like.
Quote from: dps on April 04, 2009, 10:54:19 AM
I'd say that even without the mods (but with the expansions), it's deeper than EUII. Well, even without the expansions, it's probably deeper than EUII, but there are so many problems with the pre-expansion version I wouldn't recommend playing it that way.
I agree with the depth comment, but sometimes, I find it hard to really see how land enclosure in Navarra will bring about 200 years later. -_-
Quote from: Tamas on April 05, 2009, 02:17:46 PM
NA is a prerequisite for IN. Thats all.
NA also makes EU3 a lot faster than it originally was in vanilla.
Going to give MMP a spin again. Couple of questions.
Is it necessary to start in 1453 (as MMP recommends), would starting in 1399 break too many things?
Any tips for Muscovy, especially for crushing Lithuania (as you cannot form Russia otherwise)?
Quote from: Solmyr on April 06, 2009, 06:49:02 AM
Going to give MMP a spin again. Couple of questions.
Is it necessary to start in 1453 (as MMP recommends), would starting in 1399 break too many things?
Any tips for Muscovy, especially for crushing Lithuania (as you cannot form Russia otherwise)?
I had constant crashes when I started in 1399. The whole mod was designed with 1453 in mind. Perhaps they'll adapt it for the 1399 start date with MMP2.
G.
I haven't played it in a few months, but I started a game or two of the Ottomans in 1399 and it didn't break anything, although expect it to be quite difficult to hold on to eastern Anatolia once Timur shows up (as was the case historically, I guess) if you play the Turks.
I can't remember if I started as Muscovy in 1399 or 1453 but I found that the Khanates were overpowered and overly-aggressive, to the degree that playing Muscovy was difficult at best... though I did smash Novgorod without much problem.
Quote from: Grallon on April 06, 2009, 06:54:06 AMI had constant crashes when I started in 1399.
Interesting.. never had a single one.
Thanks, I guess I'll stick to 1453 with MMP and play 1399 if I do vanilla at some point.
For Muscovy, last time I tried it Kazan DOWed me off the bat but I managed to deal with them via my massive hordes of cheap infantry, so it wasn't too bad. I also reduced Novgorod significantly but then they allied with Poland-Lithuania which seem to be impregnable for Muscovy, making forming Russia historically by mid-1500s seemingly nearly impossible. Poland also loves to crush the Teutons and/or Bohemia early, removing any possible competitors for it in the region.
Kazan is a bitch in vanilla as well, IMHO this is the chief reason we very rarely see AI Russia forming.
I mean, even MMP gave up on it, and has an event which just handles the provinces over to Muscowy if it hasnt conquered it by date X.
:yes:
The central asian Khanates always seem to be greatly overpowered in EU3 and its descendants.
I'm guessing it's because they have the Muslim tech group, which puts them on the power level of Ottoman Empire. They should probably be in Confucian or Pagan (or whatever it's called in EU3) tech group instead. After all they were backwards like hell.
Quote from: Caliga on April 06, 2009, 08:16:23 AM
:yes:
The central asian Khanates always seem to be greatly overpowered in EU3 and its descendants.
I never understood: they don't mind cropping up France to show vassals, or do the attrocity of having an independent Transylvania, yet they don't want to divide these khanates into vassals (pull names out of their ass if its needed). I bet those semi-nomad horse-eaters were far more decentralized than contemporary France.
Quote from: Solmyr on April 06, 2009, 08:21:33 AM
I'm guessing it's because they have the Muslim tech group, which puts them on the power level of Ottoman Empire.
No, the Ottomans are generally in the Orthodox tech group with Russia and Lithuania and the like, and the steppe Muslims (plus the North African Muslims) are one step further down in the Muslim tech group.
Is there a "columbus" cheat in EU3? I want to try a handsoff game at some point and observe the entire world.
Quote from: szmik on April 04, 2009, 01:23:10 PM
whack-a-mole with rebels/enemies is far too annoying for my taste :mad:
Ah, so like EU 2 then.
Quote from: Grallon on April 06, 2009, 06:54:06 AM
I had constant crashes when I started in 1399. The whole mod was designed with 1453 in mind. Perhaps they'll adapt it for the 1399 start date with MMP2.
G.
Started in 1399 with MMP and haven't had any crashes yet.
Okay, so there innit much doubt I'll get it.
Will likely wait until I buy a new PC 3Q or 4Q '09.
Quote from: The Nickname Who Was Thursday on April 06, 2009, 09:11:43 AM
Quote from: szmik on April 04, 2009, 01:23:10 PM
whack-a-mole with rebels/enemies is far too annoying for my taste :mad:
Ah, so like EU 2 then.
well they had daily rebel threats, which got patched in (1.09?) to monthly. much more manageable.
heh. I have eu2 loaded in case I want to try a CK export, but havent played it; largely because the exports need serious editing.
EU3 Complete has made EU2 too primitive for me to go back. For example, I can never go back to suffering from having no scripted generals, dynamic core/culture gain/loss, rebel-types, etc.
I hated the Scripted generals. I always had like six when I wanted peace and none when I was at war. Very annoying. Worse when you played a minor.
I was just playing a game. Ended up with a weird situation. Two Popes. Neither one is the papal states they just have the papal type government. Both protestant and my vassels ( I released everyone I could to see what it would look like). This was my "Evil England" game where I conquered most of Europe and ruthlessly destory the Catholic Church.
I think that's just showing religion returning to its natural state :p
So I bought EU3 Complete on an impulse when I saw it in the FLGS.
Knowing Paradox products I know its important to patch. In order to patch I have to register.
For the life of me I can't find a CD Key to install with. :huh: It's not on the CD itself. There's no real manual, only a big map. And no key on the map.
Quote from: Barrister on April 23, 2009, 08:25:32 PM
For the life of me I can't find a CD Key to install with. :huh:
Suck. Post at ol' Paradox and see if they can help you out would be my guess.
Found it. There was an inset that had in big bold letters at the top "5 steps to get your free digital copy online".
And in small print at the bottom "use the same code to register your game on the paradox forum".
Quote from: Barrister on April 23, 2009, 08:45:47 PM
Found it. There was an inset that had in big bold letters at the top "5 steps to get your free digital copy online".
And in small print at the bottom "use the same code to register your game on the paradox forum".
Congrats. Don't forget to install the 3.1 official patch, the 3.2 beta patch, and then delete everything in the map\cache directory.
Will do.
SO is there anything that an experiences EU2 player, but totally new to EU3, should know about how to play? What is the single biggest difference, for example?
Quote from: Barrister on April 24, 2009, 10:48:01 AM
SO is there anything that an experiences EU2 player, but totally new to EU3, should know about how to play? What is the single biggest difference, for example?
I don't remember EU2 all that well, but I believe the biggest difference is that your armies are made up of 1000-man regiments. If not completely destroyed (by losing all morale in the first 5 days of combat against a larger force, or by being attacked by a 10 times larger force), they will replenish themselves from your manpower pool over time (at a rate which varies by location; highest in your owned territory, lowest in enemy territory with no connection to controlled territory, and so on).
Also, those regiments are made of preferred unit types. You should change your preferred types as new units become available (all of your units of the old type will be upgraded for free, but will have their morale reset to 0 temporarily).
And, finally, not all rebels are destroyed when they lose a battle.
You know I can't help myself - I really want to play the Byzantine Empire. :blush:
I remember it was a right bitch to save Byzantium in 1419, but it could be done with some moderately gamey tactics. How about with this 1399 start?
Quote from: Barrister on April 24, 2009, 11:44:16 AM
I remember it was a right bitch to save Byzantium in 1419, but it could be done with some moderately gamey tactics. How about with this 1399 start?
You can do it from the baseline 1399 start with luck (part of which is hoping Tamurlane stays alive for a while to keep killing the Ottomans in the West). If you get lucky enough, half of Greece will revolt against the Ottomans and defect to you.
Quote from: ulmont on April 24, 2009, 11:50:52 AM
Quote from: Barrister on April 24, 2009, 11:44:16 AM
I remember it was a right bitch to save Byzantium in 1419, but it could be done with some moderately gamey tactics. How about with this 1399 start?
You can do it from the baseline 1399 start with luck (part of which is hoping Tamurlane stays alive for a while to keep killing the Ottomans in the West). If you get lucky enough, half of Greece will revolt against the Ottomans and defect to you.
build up that fleet asap to prevent the ottomans from bringing the bulk of their army into europe and you have a chance...
Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on April 25, 2009, 03:11:03 PM
build up that fleet asap to prevent the ottomans from bringing the bulk of their army into europe and you have a chance...
Inflation is your friend.
Quote from: Barrister on April 24, 2009, 11:44:16 AM
You know I can't help myself - I really want to play the Byzantine Empire. :blush:
Has Jaron hacked your account?
Quote from: Neil on April 26, 2009, 01:22:07 PM
Quote from: Barrister on April 24, 2009, 11:44:16 AM
You know I can't help myself - I really want to play the Byzantine Empire. :blush:
Has Jaron hacked your account?
:huh:
I've always admitted to being a byzanto-thirtysomething.
Hell, in our upcoming trip to Italy I absolutely insisted we had to stop in Ravenna to see the Byzantine ruins. :nerd:
Quote from: Barrister on April 26, 2009, 01:25:00 PM
Quote from: Neil on April 26, 2009, 01:22:07 PM
Quote from: Barrister on April 24, 2009, 11:44:16 AM
You know I can't help myself - I really want to play the Byzantine Empire. :blush:
Has Jaron hacked your account?
:huh:
I've always admitted to being a byzanto-thirtysomething.
Hell, in our upcoming trip to Italy I absolutely insisted we had to stop in Ravenna to see the Byzantine ruins. :nerd:
Nothing wrong with that.
Does anyone know if they're planning to release any more patches, or is the 3.2 "beta" released last November pretty much it?
Quote from: Ancient Demon on April 30, 2009, 12:43:07 PM
Does anyone know if they're planning to release any more patches, or is the 3.2 "beta" released last November pretty much it?
I think that's pretty much it. Certainly nothing until after HOI3 has been released and the first patch has come out.
I mean, the "current patch priority schedule" just shows a patch for CK-DV, listed as "when it's done," from May 2008.
Quote from: Barrister on April 26, 2009, 01:25:00 PM
Hell, in our upcoming trip to Italy I absolutely insisted we had to stop in Ravenna to see the Byzantine ruins. :nerd:
Been there, done that for the same reason. :nerd: :hug:
There is this Brittania-clone board game, shockingly called Italia, where I have found Byzantium to be a very interesting faction. Lot depends on the success of the initial invasion, but if that ends up well, they can manage to hold on for a long time, which is cool.
There are Brittania variants for Hispania and India as well.