What does a BIDEN Presidency look like?

Started by Caliga, November 07, 2020, 12:07:22 PM

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Susan Collins has said she will back Biden's judge nom
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Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 30, 2022, 03:41:55 AMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=al-AAN-vBMc

What is the point of this law?

There already exists a federal hate crime statute, which applies penalties for causing or attempting to cause bodily injury because of actual or perceived race, color, religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability. 

The Till act adds penalties for conspiracy to commit such offenses.  Thus, it effectively closes a gap whereby certain offenses are categorized and punishable as hate crimes but conspiracies to commit such crimes are treated as ordinary criminal conspiracies with no special enhancements.
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Admiral Yi

That's all fine and good, but lynching is murder.  Aren't additional penalties for a murder kind of pointless?

Jacob

Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 31, 2022, 05:02:45 PMThat's all fine and good, but lynching is murder.  Aren't additional penalties for a murder kind of pointless?

How so?

Admiral Yi


Sheilbh

But surely that's not covered by this law - based on MM's description. Conspiracy to murder is, no?
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Jacob

Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 31, 2022, 05:13:13 PMIn that execution or life imprisonment can't be augmented.

Ah. I didn't realize that those were the only two possible sentences for murder.

grumbler

Quote from: Jacob on March 31, 2022, 05:47:53 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 31, 2022, 05:13:13 PMIn that execution or life imprisonment can't be augmented.

Ah. I didn't realize that those were the only two possible sentences for murder.

Those are maximum penalties, not the only ones. And, in fact, life imprisonment doesn't mean life without parole.

Nor does conspiracy to commit a lynching always result in a lynching.
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Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 31, 2022, 05:02:45 PMThat's all fine and good, but lynching is murder.  Aren't additional penalties for a murder kind of pointless?

Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 31, 2022, 05:02:45 PMThat's all fine and good, but lynching is murder.  Aren't additional penalties for a murder kind of pointless?

There's a few things going on here:

1) Conspiracy to commit murder does not necessarily result in a life sentence. 
2) The law allows the Feds to charge a conspiracy crime that otherwise could only be charged under state law.
3) As is often the case, the bill's title is not a precise guide to its content. In this case, the law covers conspiracy to commit any crime that both: A) qualifies as a federal hate crime under the hate crime statute and (B) results in serious bodily injury.  Thus it covers offenses that don't result in death of the victim.
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